Re: [AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss?

2015-04-26 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I have cooked more than one power supply this wayI could draw you a schematic diagram illustrating why for certain power supply designs hooking up another voltage source is a bad idea. That said, many, if not most, modern power supplies don't care, especially those designed to be paralleled

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
Sorry to answer a question with a question, but are you measuring at the SM, or at some upstream router? The reason I ask, is I have seen some CDN traffic that does not seem to follow traditional TCP congestion control. It will send at twice the rate limit, causing 50% packet loss to its own

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I'm measuring at the upstream router which is actually a Procera Box. (not actually a rotuer) Customer called last night complaining speeds were horrible Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110

Re: [AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss?

2015-04-26 Thread Lewis Bergman
I have an extra one of those if you want it. On Apr 26, 2015 8:43 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: A load of that size really needs a regular telecom rectifier/charger. They are designed for exactly this application. If your load is 100 amps, the power supply needs to be probably 120

Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties

2015-04-26 Thread Jeremy
I use a Rhino 3000 and I am extremely happy with it. It will do shrink tube or wrap around, and there are many different types of labels available. On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Hey Jaime, what is the best labelmaker out there for wires? I see you use

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread David Milholen
If your pipe to the customer is 10Mbs and sustained is set to 1500kbs I would think 9kbits would equate to 60s On 4/26/2015 11:24 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I want them to have an initial 10meg burst for roughly 60-120 seconds. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126

Re: [AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss?

2015-04-26 Thread Chuck McCown
The whole rectifier shelf, the module or the BC-2000? From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss? I have an extra one of those if you want it. On Apr 26, 2015 8:43 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: A load

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread David Milholen
Kurt, what do you have the burst allocations set to? If you only want this customer to have 1500kbs period. You will need to set the allocations much smaller or set to 0 On 4/26/2015 11:16 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I'm measuring at the upstream router which is actually a Procera Box. (not

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread David Milholen
Here is what I found in the 450 user guide Interaction of Burst Allocation and Sustained Data Rate Settings If the Burst Allocation is set to 1200 kb and the Sustained Data Rate is set to 128 kbps, a data burst of 1000kb is transmitted at full speed because the Burst Allocation is set high

Re: [AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss?

2015-04-26 Thread Chuck McCown
A load of that size really needs a regular telecom rectifier/charger. They are designed for exactly this application. If your load is 100 amps, the power supply needs to be probably 120 or 150 with current limiting so it can pull the load and charge the batts after an extended outage. Lately

Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties

2015-04-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
I think he meant the client required it. Be happy they didn’t specify coax hangers. From: TJ Trout Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 11:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties black tape works just as well On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties

2015-04-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
Hey Jaime, what is the best labelmaker out there for wires? I see you use heatshrink labels for power wiring, but for Cat5 and coax I would want wraparound, it’s not practical to label the Cat5 and then terminate it. I think we’ve had this discussion on the list before, but I look up reviews

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
Do you have a graph via SNMP of the actual SM traffic? See if the AP is only scheduling the configured amount of traffic to the customer, and throwing away the rest. If yes, the Procera probably gives you the tools to limit this traffic to X% of the customer’s subscribed rate, although it

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I want them to have an initial 10meg burst for roughly 60-120 seconds. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:22 PM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Kurt,

Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties

2015-04-26 Thread Bill Prince
We have those ties too; or at least something that looks very similar. We got ours from Tessco. Wish I had gotten the gun, but I think it was out of stock and we had a short lead time. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 4/25/2015 8:36 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: We had to use these on project.

Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties

2015-04-26 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Would that be blood on the handle? On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 11:44 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: black tape works just as well On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: We had to use these on project. This is the gun which tightens and cuts them.

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
So you'd be purposely slowing down or blocking legitimate traffic from an edge provider to the customer? Oh no, net neutrality violation! So when everyone starts with the 4k streaming and we're selling the customer 20Mbps, then we have to take on 40Mbps because of this!? On 4/26/2015 5:58

Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties

2015-04-26 Thread Jaime Solorza
100% correct Daniel. Outages can cost thousands of dollars Jaime Solorza On Apr 26, 2015 3:48 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: Sure it will. Even the highest quality stuff. Had a site back in my WISP days that had LMR-400 running to a licensed radio head going 50ft up a tower

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
I could justify declaring such traffic an attack and blocking the source as malicious. From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 4:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. Yep, I see this all the time and Ken is

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread David Milholen
George, Take a different approach to net neutrality... Just because we sell a 5x5 to a customer and they think they can do a 4k stream only paying $75 for that. They are smoking something good. Our answer to the customer is you need to upgrade to a custom package for doing such demanding

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Yep, I see this all the time and Ken is exactly right. The Canopy QoS works exactly as designed, the AP is definitely not delivering more than the sustained rate, but is instead discarding the extra 50%. I've tested this situation thoroughly. Stick a MT simple queue in at the upstream router

Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties

2015-04-26 Thread Bill Prince
We have also used Band-it, which are also stainless, but vinyl coated. Nicer in some ways, but also a PITA in other ways. The tower manager specified only Band-it. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 4/26/2015 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: We like Panduit. Holds up well. Yes it is pricey but

Re: [AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss?

2015-04-26 Thread TJ Trout
I'm not charging batteries. I just need to be able to parallel a psu with the load and batteries occasionally. On Apr 26, 2015 7:06 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The whole rectifier shelf, the module or the BC-2000? *From:* Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday,

Re: [AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss?

2015-04-26 Thread TJ Trout
This is not wisp related. I just posted here because you are so knowledgeable. The power supply will never be on while the batteries are connected. It's one or the other. The load, the power supply and the batteries will occasionally all be in parallel when the power supply has no access to AC in

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I'm not graphing at the SM by snmp. Maybe I should be. Sent from my iPad Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Apr 26, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Do you have a graph via

Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties

2015-04-26 Thread Daniel White
Sure it will. Even the highest quality stuff. Had a site back in my WISP days that had LMR-400 running to a licensed radio head going 50ft up a tower attached every 5ft using 3m tape along the tower leg. A good snow storm with 100MPH winds came along and ripped the cable off the tower one

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Ah breakfast

2015-04-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
I am watching the bandwidth usage graph and realizing that people use the Internet when they are not sleeping, eating, or going to the bathroom. I just saw a big dip at noon, I assume it was lunchtime. I also notice church doesn’t seem to get in the way of Netflix, unless people are attending

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Ah breakfast

2015-04-26 Thread Chuck McCown
3d food printer for the sacrament(communion, host etc)... hmmm. Virtual church. Oculus rift could give you heavenly visions too! From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 11:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Ah breakfast I am watching the bandwidth usage graph and

Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties

2015-04-26 Thread Chuck McCown
Zip ties will do the same freaking thing if you cut them with diagonal cutters. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 11:49 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties Yes that was blood.. I took my gloves off to take pictures and grabbed tower leg to

Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties

2015-04-26 Thread Jaime Solorza
We like Panduit. Holds up well. Yes it is pricey but it is included in cost of project. We have lots of interaction with consulting and engineering firms.The bids are very specific and detailed. Jaime Solorza On Apr 26, 2015 10:47 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote: We have those

Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties

2015-04-26 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yes that was blood.. I took my gloves off to take pictures and grabbed tower leg to adjust and got a two inch cut on right thumb. Still healing. Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties

2015-04-26 Thread TJ Trout
Black tape won't fail in your lifetime On Apr 26, 2015 11:32 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Zip ties will do the same freaking thing if you cut them with diagonal cutters. *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2015 11:49 AM *To:* Animal Farm

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Ah breakfast

2015-04-26 Thread That other guy Jay
Beats leftover pizza. Jaime Solorza wrote: Huevos ala Oaxaca and Carnitas Skillet. Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Ah breakfast

2015-04-26 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
That looks AWESOME! Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com On Apr 26, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Huevos ala Oaxaca and Carnitas Skillet. Jaime Solorza 20150426_103225.jpg

Re: [AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss?

2015-04-26 Thread Chuck McCown
When the power goes out and then comes back on you certainly are charging batteries along with powering the load. And partially discharged batteries can be a huge load. From: TJ Trout Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 1:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss?

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread Sean Heskett
+1 googaplex On Sunday, April 26, 2015, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: George, Take a different approach to net neutrality... Just because we sell a 5x5 to a customer and they think they can do a 4k stream only paying $75 for that. They are smoking something good. Our answer

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
I know. I was being sarcastic. It doesn't seem fair that they do TCP congestion control in a way that doubles the traffic and we end up discarding 50% anyway, but it still fills up our pipes. Just sayin'. On 4/26/2015 8:37 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: I see that the net neutrality is going to be

Re: [AFMUG] In concert...Chicago

2015-04-26 Thread Chuck McCown
Which one of those guys is Jaime? From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 6:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] In concert...Chicago The band says hi ! Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I see that the net neutrality is going to be the next boogieman under the bed for WISP's from now on... Please, please, please, correct your understanding on Net-Neutrality... It allows for one to traffic shape any and all kinds of traffic, as long as :- a) You declare your practice on your

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
I think George forgot the sarcasm emoticon. Also note that the problem here is the edge provider is sending more than the customer’s plan rate, ignoring TCP congestion control. Not only does this consume Internet bandwidth over and above what the customer has subscribed to, it makes anything

Re: [AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss?

2015-04-26 Thread Chuck McCown
Odd. What charges the batts? In any event, yes, should work just fine. From: TJ Trout Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 2:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss? This is not wisp related. I just posted here because you are so knowledgeable. The power supply will

Re: [AFMUG] Stainless steel wire ties

2015-04-26 Thread Mike Hammett
AT$T has visited the site we share a lot more often than I have. ;-) Well, once I exclude fixing stuff they've messed up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] In concert...Chicago

2015-04-26 Thread Jaime Solorza
where was this? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 6:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: The band says hi ! Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] In concert...Chicago

2015-04-26 Thread Jaime Solorza
Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Which one of those guys is Jaime? *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2015 6:43 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] In

Re: [AFMUG] In concert...Chicago

2015-04-26 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
alone i had front row :) - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza To: Animal Farm Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] In concert...Chicago cool..are they alone or with EWF Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sun,

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
interesting. I wonder if this could impact video quality and buffering in an odd way, could explain a customer issue we have had On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did you update the signatures? That sounds awfully generic. Josh Luthman Office:

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Did you update the signatures? That sounds awfully generic. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 26, 2015 11:47 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: You have got to be kidding me? CDN traffic being discarded 50%? What

Re: [AFMUG] In concert...Chicago

2015-04-26 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Tonight in Huntsville alThey r in intermission Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] In concert...Chicago Date: Sun, Apr 26, 2015 9:30 PM where was this?   Jaime

Re: [AFMUG] In concert...Chicago

2015-04-26 Thread Jaime Solorza
cool..are they alone or with EWF Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:48 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Tonight in Huntsville alThey r in intermission Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message -

Re: [AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss?

2015-04-26 Thread TJ Trout
It's a peice of test equipment that is dc inside an enclosure with a ac to dc power supply but once and while I need to power it in the field and I can't use ac On Apr 26, 2015 7:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Odd. What charges the batts? In any event, yes, should work just fine.

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Sorry, I missed that .. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com To:

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
You have got to be kidding me? CDN traffic being discarded 50%? What exactly would this be? The Procera box picked this traffic up as HTTP Download so it wasn't streaming. Only other thing I can think of is this customer has an XBOX maybe it was downloading an update? with 50% packet loss no

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..

2015-04-26 Thread Josh Reynolds
Might be time to take another look at your procera config. On April 26, 2015 7:47:25 PM AKDT, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: You have got to be kidding me? CDN traffic being discarded 50%? What exactly would this be? The Procera box picked this traffic up as HTTP Download so it wasn't