Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

2017-04-14 Thread Jason McKemie
SIAE was $2k / radio when I was buying direct (before they had US distributors). Not sure where they are now that they've had a price drop. Their service has been very good. On Friday, April 14, 2017, Mathew Howard wrote: > Single polarity, I believe. If I remember

Re: [AFMUG] FCC part 101 80mhz channel size??

2017-04-14 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
No. Max in 6GHz is 60MHz. Max in 23GHz is 50MHz. Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > On Apr 14, 2017, at 10:46 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > Awesome! Are there any other bands besides 11ghz and

Re: [AFMUG] FCC part 101 80mhz channel size??

2017-04-14 Thread Sean Heskett
Awesome! Are there any other bands besides 11ghz and 18ghz?? Thanks! -Sean On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:17 PM Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Yes, 18 GHz has supported 80 MHz wide channels for a long time. This is > how the Exalt ExtremeAir 18 accomplishes 1 Gbps full duplex FDD in

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread PE R
Paul, We have an upcoming project for +5 rings, the longest is essentially a collapsed 60 mile fiber ring and as noted, a regen is required to support this distance. From: Paul McCall To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 9:00 PM Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Paul McCall
I am assuming that they will provide that, based on our conversations. They want success for this as much as I do. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 8:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig 80

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

2017-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
They'll do 1024 QAM. They have an SFP slot. IIRC, they had a punchdown block for the copper port. I forget if they had separate DC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mathew

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

2017-04-14 Thread Mathew Howard
Single polarity, I believe. If I remember correctly, they're also only 256QAM, but they appear to only around $2k per radio. I haven't seen pricing on the SIAE, so I'm not sure how that compares. On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:19 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > I believe Alcoma is

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Chuck McCown
I am talking about a LAD 8 made by Cyan. No amp version. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig I hate to say this .the match on mux insertion loss does not add up in this manner... (I think you

Re: [AFMUG] FCC part 101 80mhz channel size??

2017-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
I think BridgeWave did a gig with 3x 50 MHz channels in one device. I forget the specs and I don't care enough to look them up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Eric Kuhnke"

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
This 40 channel mux: http://www.fs.com/products/33485.html has under 4.5 dB of insertion loss. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
It'll use a dB or 2 more, but nothing drastic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Paul McCall" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:31:41 PM Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Eric Kuhnke
80 miles of dark with no regen or hut with electricity for amplification in the middle? Don't even think about trying it (even with special "160km" optics) until you have high quality OTDR shots in hand, shot from each direction on each strand. On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Paul McCall

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

2017-04-14 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I believe Alcoma is working hard to compete with the SIAE AlfoPlus 1024QAM product. Both in the lower price category. But is that Alcoma a dual polarity or single polarity radio? On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > Speaking of cheap-ish licensed

Re: [AFMUG] FCC part 101 80mhz channel size??

2017-04-14 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Yes, 18 GHz has supported 80 MHz wide channels for a long time. This is how the Exalt ExtremeAir 18 accomplishes 1 Gbps full duplex FDD in both polarities between two radio units (H) using 256QAM 5/6 in each polarity. Single data payload ethernet interface on each side. Others on the list can

[AFMUG] FCC part 101 80mhz channel size??

2017-04-14 Thread Sean Heskett
Hello all, Which FCC part 101 bands support 80mhz channel sizes besides 11ghz?? Does 18ghz support 80mhz channels?? Thanks! -Sean

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

2017-04-14 Thread Lewis Bergman
I didn't mean to say that you're decision is flawed. I didn't do a ton of dedicated customers which I think would be a great fit. I was talking more about backbone route connectivity. Anyway, I like SAF but there are a bunch of really good options. I haven't tried trango in a really long time but

Re: [AFMUG] Addition to new site.

2017-04-14 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Yes, that was correct, and yes, as long as it's a recent syncbox it should work fine. -forrest On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: > I just did that and will monitor it over the weekend. Thanks for the tip. > Lastly, The Sync coming out of the Sync Box into

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread PE R
There's a bit more to it than that.  ) From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig #yiv6023612781 v\3a* {}#yiv6023612781 o\3a* {}#yiv6023612781 w\3a* {}#yiv6023612781

Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

2017-04-14 Thread PE R
Or ZTE.  Just came away from the NTCA show and our products compete  exceptionally well.  Options include indoor ONT w/ BBU or outdoor. From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
sorry... meant to say the 'math' not 'match' dang... fast finger freddy ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Faisal Imtiaz"

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I hate to say this .the match on mux insertion loss does not add up in this manner... (I think you are thinking of GPON Muxes... not the same as CWDM or DWDM) Always best to Check the MFG Specs (I have 8 channel CWDM muxes which have a low insertion loss (less than 2db on each

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Paul McCall
In that case, an 80mile path which is pushing the envelope seemingly would have a lot of trouble with a 40 channel mux. That was the example (200km actually – 40 channel) that Mike posted from fs.com Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Friday, April 14,

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Yes. From: Paul McCall Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig So, to me that sounds like I do need to add (subtract) that from the link budget ?? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Paul McCall
So, to me that sounds like I do need to add (subtract) that from the link budget ?? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig Passive optical muxing is just a

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Passive optical muxing is just a cascade of splitters with the 3dB per split. So 8:1 passive mux is 2*2*2 so 9 dB theoretically, 11 or so in real life. From: Paul McCall Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 4:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig Does

Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

2017-04-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Like to compare with outdoor ONT with a battery backed power supply at the home with 1 POTS line. -Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 2:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or? Chuck, On the OLT side it

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread PE R
A mux is simply multiplexing the signals, bandwidth, etc. Sending some information to you on this and our team can provide more information if you're interested. From: Paul McCall To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:31 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread PE R
Paul - Will send you some information on an option that may fit your requirements. Parker From: Paul McCall To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 1:45 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig #yiv9330386729 P

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Paul McCall
Does using a mux require a “better” optical budget? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig Not really. A mux is a mux. Just pay attention to insertion loss

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Not really. A mux is a mux. Just pay attention to insertion loss numbers to make sure you still have the optical budget you need. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Paul McCall"

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Paul McCall
Is running an 8 channel mux any more reliable than a 40 channel mux on a link of that distance? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig Cheaper to use a mux

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Cheaper to use a mux now than to figure out how to transition 10G of traffic elsewhere later when you need to take the link down to put a mux in? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From:

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Paul McCall
I didn’t think of that but yes that makes sense From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 2:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig Not that you wont need them, but maybe someone else would and you

Re: [AFMUG] Addition to new site.

2017-04-14 Thread Sam Lambie
I just did that and will monitor it over the weekend. Thanks for the tip. Lastly, The Sync coming out of the Sync Box into the timing port of the Medusa should work right? On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: > Changing the value function on the Radio 4 Sync

Re: [AFMUG] Addition to new site.

2017-04-14 Thread Sam Lambie
Changing the value function on the Radio 4 Sync from 1 to 0 will do the trick? On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > This error means you have sync over power pulses coming in from the > syncinjector. > > The radio is seeing the

Re: [AFMUG] Addition to new site.

2017-04-14 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
This error means you have sync over power pulses coming in from the syncinjector. The radio is seeing the old-style pulses and is trying to lock onto them, which won't work reliably - since the pulses aren't even close to what it's expecting. You need to disable the pulses in the injector in

Re: [AFMUG] Old verson syncinjector ?

2017-04-14 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
RevH and later injectors are good up to 60V or so. RevC and earlier are good up to 30V We skipped Rev D through G on the injectors (There are syncpipes with those designations) On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: > Can all the syncinjector

Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

2017-04-14 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Chuck, On the OLT side it will vary depending on how many cards we put in the cage and how many people we actually put on a port. Best case fully populate cage with 32 users per port that will handle 1792 customers about $34 per user. In reality, a cage with 3 slots and an average of 25 users

Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

2017-04-14 Thread chuck
Just like to compare apples to apples with Calix. -Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 1:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or? Chuck, not personally. Those numbers are available to me. I've been so

Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

2017-04-14 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Chuck, not personally. Those numbers are available to me. I've been so busy lately, I haven't had time to look at them. I know the numbers are reasonable. We are about 4 months from finishing the project we are working on now. When that is done, I'm going to sit down and compare estimated to

Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

2017-04-14 Thread chuck
Have you calculated how much per customer for GPON, ONT OLT ONU etc all in except for fiber? -Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or? Chuck, Yes, the unit we use

Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

2017-04-14 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Chuck, Yes, the unit we use have 2 POTS ports. We have a few units with 4 POTs ports installed. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
Not that you wont need them, but maybe someone else would and you can sell a channel to them? > On Apr 14, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Paul McCall wrote: > > Wow, I can’t imagine needing that many channels of 10G anytime in the near > future. But, I guess ya never know >   <> >

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
You have a lot of options, then. You could sell 10G transport back to wherever it is you're going. (Miami?) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Paul McCall" To:

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Paul McCall
Wow, I can’t imagine needing that many channels of 10G anytime in the near future. But, I guess ya never know From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 1:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig They do

Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

2017-04-14 Thread chuck
Does it have a POTS port ONT option? -Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 11:55 AM To: Dev Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or? We use zhone. Can't complain. Have over 2000 ONT out there working fine. Features are

Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

2017-04-14 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
We use zhone. Can't complain. Have over 2000 ONT out there working fine. Features are nice and support is great. Just fired up a new bunker and used zhone in there. Going to buy another full setup next month for another new area we are going in to. Just my 0.02 -- Best regards, Mark

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
They do have smaller ones, but the cost of the mux isn't that much. Our 18 channel ones are about $1500 for the pair, IIRC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Paul McCall"

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Anything with SFP+ ports. There's a million different ones. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Paul McCall" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 11:02:04

Re: [AFMUG] Old verson syncinjector ?

2017-04-14 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Thanks Josh. I am at the site today so I can bump it up today and not make a return trip. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Old verson syncinjector ? All of them should be able to

Re: [AFMUG] Old verson syncinjector ?

2017-04-14 Thread Josh Baird
All of them should be able to take up to 29-30V. Yes - the GPS enabled ePMP's have heaters and it's generally recommended to run them at 48VDC. Josh On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: > Can all the syncinjector versions take 30 volts? I have one

[AFMUG] Old verson syncinjector ?

2017-04-14 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Can all the syncinjector versions take 30 volts? I have one at an older site that has some epmp on it and its only 24 volts. I would like to bump it up. Says it takes RevC syncpipe or later. Also does anyone know if the none GPS epmp have heaters and need 30 volts? These are small backhauls on

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
If you need someone to do the actual design for you, hit me off list, I will be more than happy to do it. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Paul McCall
This looks like it supports 40 channels, I really just need one (for now), but if that is part of the HW config needed, 8 channel would be more than sufficient. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 8:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] Addition to new site.

2017-04-14 Thread Sam Lambie
Yeah, I am going that route. Not worth it to me to worry about GPS going out in the middle of the night like it did last night... On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Dave wrote: > For that many subs I would have went full out on sync and POE using the > CMM5 > > > On

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Sterling Jacobson
Any I think since it’s the MUX and beyond that does all the special hard work. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig What kinda of switch / router would be

Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

2017-04-14 Thread Craig Schmaderer
Owning and running active and gpon E7-2 for 5 years has been the best experience I have ever had with a product. The 844E AC routers are the best routers I have ever used for inside the home with calix tr-69 consumer connect. We have around 250 installed and I have nevered RMA a unit yet. The

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Paul McCall
What kinda of switch / router would be required to plug these SFPs into, in this example? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 8:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig Use this tool to

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Vlan

2017-04-14 Thread Dave
The issue I have is ensuring that the subnet that I assign to a vlan gets to all of the customers that are using it. I have multiple AP radio tiers that have been on a bridge for years and one subnet may get shared across all tiers so I will have to have the bridge for the APs to have access to

[AFMUG] FS: UBNT R5AC-PTMP + AM-5AC22-45

2017-04-14 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
I have a bunch of used UBNT R5AC-PTMP-US and AM-5AC22-45 (45 degree sector) with installed RF Armor shield kits. Also have a number of other random UBNT sectors with shield kits collecting dust. Any interest in any of it, hit me up off list. Thanks!

Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

2017-04-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Very happy. Very expensive. -Original Message- From: Dev Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or? We are looking at the Calix E7-2 for GPON, and wondering what others are running? Are you happy with and why/why not?

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz license cost

2017-04-14 Thread Dave
I have 3 on one tower and its lower vs any of the single end sites On 04/14/2017 08:36 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Assuming multiple links share location, yes Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Lewis

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz license cost

2017-04-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Assuming multiple links share location, yes Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > It is cheaper if license multiple links at once. They charge per

Re: [AFMUG] Addition to new site.

2017-04-14 Thread Dave
For that many subs I would have went full out on sync and POE using the CMM5 On 04/12/2017 09:48 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: Cambium Medusa. Synced with Packetflux Syncbox 12. Powered with Syncinjectors by Packetflux. Just put it up today so no performance reviews yet. 101 customers coming from a

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Dang it, I'm not the first to the dance... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Faisal Imtiaz" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:35:07 AM

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.fs.com/support/dwdm-edfa-amplifier-for-long-haul-applications-100 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Paul McCall" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, April

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Trey Scarborough
for 80 miles or ~120km you will need one of two things either a regen 1/2 or really anywhere leaving less than 80k between spans or an amplification system. If you have decent fiber you can probably get away with just a pair of edfa preamps this will bring up your signal to a level the

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Use this tool to help you understand and design LH fiber solutions. http://www.fs.com/support/dwdm-edfa-amplifier-for-long-haul-applications-100 Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread fiberrun
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 From: "Paul McCall" > What equipment can we use (cost efficient) to light up 80 miles of dark fiber > at 10gbit? You can buy 10G XFPs rated at 75 miles (120 km). However, this won't do you much good if you are outside the optical budget or the chromatic

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

2017-04-14 Thread Jason McKemie
My SIAE rep told me that they recently had a price drop. They were already pretty competitive, so it might be worth taking a look. On Thursday, April 13, 2017, Mathew Howard wrote: > Speaking of cheap-ish licensed radios, does anyone have any experience > with Alcoma? The

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
Bah it’s late.. 80 miles != 80 km.. > On Apr 14, 2017, at 12:55 AM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: > > Get some CWDM passive splitters on both sides: > > https://www.fs.com/c/cwdm-mux-demux-177 > > > Then color matching CWDM 10G SFP+

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Colin Stanners
I haven't tried it yet, but as an example of product type: http://www.fs.com/products/11592.html http://www.fs.com/products/35926.html On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:45 AM, Paul McCall wrote: > What equipment can we use (cost efficient) to light up 80 miles of dark > fiber at

Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
Get some CWDM passive splitters on both sides: https://www.fs.com/c/cwdm-mux-demux-177 Then color matching CWDM 10G SFP+ optics: http://www.fs.com/c/cwdm-sfp-plus-65?70-80km=286 Looks like $600/ea end for CWDM 10G SFP+ and 8 channel CWDM for $330/ea end. $1200 + $660 + shipping and you can

[AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig

2017-04-14 Thread Paul McCall
What equipment can we use (cost efficient) to light up 80 miles of dark fiber at 10gbit? Paul, PDMNet