Re: [AFMUG] August 21,2017 eclipse.

I am planning to be near Rexburg. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 6:49 PM To: af Subject: [AFMUG] August 21,2017 eclipse. For those of you who are planning to make the trek to (or are lucky enough to be in the path) of the totality portion of the August

Re: [AFMUG] market value of a used AF24 link

I'd imagine they'd be fine in many places in the US. Phoenix, Vegas, etc. - Josh On May 25, 2017 10:13 PM, "Colin Stanners" wrote: > That sounds great... Except you need to be in Alaska ;-p > > On May 25, 2017 9:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > >>

Re: [AFMUG] market value of a used AF24 link

That sounds great... Except you need to be in Alaska ;-p On May 25, 2017 9:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > Depends on the environment of course. Seems to hold up well at 5 and 6k in > Alaska. > > - Josh > > On May 25, 2017 8:01 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

I have a feeling this is coming from someone who's never used it. It used to be called XBMC and was originally made for the first Xbox. It's a media center frontend that recently has become a target due to extensions that allow you to pick up various content sources... Just like you could do

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

Title: Re: [AFMUG] kodi? Kurt, I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to work correctly.  Not sure if that was for live tv or everything.  Think I have the article bookmarked at the office.  I'll check in the morning and post it if I find it. -- Best regards, Mark        

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

In a small/medium sized city where it might become difficult to coordinate new 11 GHz PTP someday in the future, but you have a need for 400-600 Mbps to a site now, it's not a bad way to "reserve" a dual polarity 80 MHz channel if you can get it, either... Some day in the future, remove the

Re: [AFMUG] market value of a used AF24 link

Depends on the environment of course. Seems to hold up well at 5 and 6k in Alaska. - Josh On May 25, 2017 8:01 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: > 5 miles between two AF24 even perfectly aimed (FDD, 100 MHz each way) is > nuts. I would not even do a full 5 km and expect it to

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Yeah, I saw somewhat of an explanation from ubnt at one point... I don't remember the details, but I'm pretty sure FEC was part of the reason. For an $800 radio, they're good at what the do and they have their place, but people shouldn't expect them to perform the same as a $4000 radio. On May

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in the previous example I posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it on a $15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer. On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > It is significantly

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. Our old SAF Lumina can do 366mbps in a single polarity 256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 doesn't even match that running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere around 340mbps at 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 256qam. On May 25,

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

I'm going to eat my own words a little bit here. Just compared the AF11FX datasheet side by side with the SAF Integra for a theoretical 40 MHz single polarity FDD link. The AF11FX is something like 252Mbps, the SAF is a claimed 315 Mbps in the same 40 MHz wide. My theory is that ubnt has done

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

I don't know that anyone has really examined the overhead required by OFDM (AF11) versus the overhead required by the various other licensed vendor proprietary modulation schemes. I think this would be the primary issue. I know we get over 500 Mbps through a Dragonwave on a single 50 MHz

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical single 40 MHz wide FDD channel pair, one polarity, I don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz efficiency would be significantly worse than a competing single polarity product (SAF Integra, etc) running in the same channel size. Unless you are

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Yeah. Cost is one thing, but if all you can get is a single polarity on a particular path, the AF11 is probably one of the last things I'd look at. Congestion is a problem around here. On 5/25/2017 8:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 5/25/17 18:12, Mathew Howard wrote: We're running the full

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

But that would have to be using the full 80mhz channel. But yeah, these aren't the most efficient radios out there... they should easily get over 600Mbps with 1024qam though. On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 5/25/17 18:12, Mathew Howard wrote: > >>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB PTP800 ODU-B for 011325 Mhz

IIRC, the PTP800, Trango ApexPlus/GigaPlus and CTI's Apex9 LL1337 (PTP800 clone) all use the standard Remec ODU. On 5/25/2017 8:13 PM, Roland Houin wrote: I need a cambium ODU-B for 011325 Mhz need only one unit new/used not available from cambium, apparently not emergency, but needed to

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

On 5/25/17 18:12, Mathew Howard wrote: We're running the full 56mhz/MIMO... I haven't been able to get them to run at 1024qam yet (antennas still need to be fine tuned, it wasn't ideal weather conditions when we put them up, so I'm hoping we'll be able to get a bit more out them), so they're

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Looking again at the datasheet for 56 MHz channels, dual polarity MIMO, the claim is just a little bit more than 680 Mbps full duplex in its maximum capacity configuration. Which should be a real world 640-650 Mbps. On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

I am about to put up an AF11FX dual polarity 80 MHz licensed path in the near future, and will be doing exhaustive tests on it (RFC2544 + various layer 3 tests/iperf, etc). Will be sure to post the results. As the relatively short 13 km distance it's going it will be a solid 1024QAM link. On

[AFMUG] WTB PTP800 ODU-B for 011325 Mhz

I need a cambium ODU-B for 011325 Mhz need only one unit new/used not available from cambium, apparently not emergency, but needed to switch to 80mhz channel Roland Houin rho...@fourway.net 574-220-7720

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Similar to any other airFiber... they'll pretty consistently do about 90% of the stated capacity with real traffic. We're running the full 56mhz/MIMO... I haven't been able to get them to run at 1024qam yet (antennas still need to be fine tuned, it wasn't ideal weather conditions when we put them

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Yes, but I've actually yet to have someone verify that. Another Radio vendor has told me that testing the AF11x on the bench they can only get to half the advertised throughput. Others on this list claim they have heard they are only good for 400-500mb, but nobody that I've seen yet has

Re: [AFMUG] market value of a used AF24 link

5 miles between two AF24 even perfectly aimed (FDD, 100 MHz each way) is nuts. I would not even do a full 5 km and expect it to hold up to heavy rain storms, where I could treat it as a rock solid link and never worry about it... 4km, sure. On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Kurt Fankhauser

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

I think the throughput should exactly match the ubnt datasheet claim and what the frequency coordinator for your link says it will do. It would be directly related to channel size and one or two polarities. In a H 80 MHz FDD licensed configuration it actually uses a linear 56 MHz channel in each

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Have you run BW tests on it? what kind of throughput are you 'really' seeing? What Channel size Mimo/siso etc. On 5/25/2017 7:42 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: We have one up... other than some very ugly issues right after we put it up (which was apparently a bug in the firmware they shipped

[AFMUG] August 21,2017 eclipse.

For those of you who are planning to make the trek to (or are lucky enough to be in the path) of the totality portion of the August eclipse, there is a citizen science project which I'm participating in which needs a few more volunteers: https://eclipsemega.movie -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**,

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

We have one up... other than some very ugly issues right after we put it up (which was apparently a bug in the firmware they shipped with... upgrading to the latest beta firmware fixed it), it has been working perfectly, and I haven't touched it since. The AF11 is certainly worth a look in my

Re: [AFMUG] market value of a used AF24 link

5 miles on 24ghz? ...no thanks. 3 miles is pushing it, in my opinion. I wish we had more places we could use 24ghz, but we just don't have enough short links that they'd make sense on. On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Why are you getting rid

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

Get on the DMCA alert list and forward all notices to his email. With an email at the tail end stating" THEY are coming for you!" On 05/25/2017 09:09 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: we have a customer who literally has gotten no fewer than 150 complaints from both fox and ip-echelon ? (sp) in the

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

+1.. Its all our fault because were the internet :) On 05/25/2017 03:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Sure, it's your fault. It's your fault for not arranging the proper upstreams and peerings for your network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

Why would you even support streaming issues to legitimate sources? Not your fault if some legitimate service has peering or throughput issues. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:06 AM To:

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

Sure, it's your fault. It's your fault for not arranging the proper upstreams and peerings for your network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chris Wright" To:

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Yes, this is how we had setup with antenna manufacturers. Radiowaves initially had this right, but something happened where this was changed after approved. We have had discussion this week with them to fix this and they are working on it now. On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini

Re: [AFMUG] Hybrid Control tower top

And you are using a SyncBox connected to the timing port of the 320 for sync? On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Paul McCall wrote: > Very creatively. We took apart a Motorola POE (old style) and rewired it > +,- +,- .. We power off ports 1,2,3 or 4, and data in a different

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Jirous ‘they have a af11 adapter with built in cables From: Af > on behalf of Cassidy Larson > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Thursday, May 25,

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Gino, What dishes did you use for 3' and 4’? Did they come with cables? Our radio waves 3’ did not come with cables and pasternack wanted like $200/ea per cable for low-loss ones. Kept getting finger pointing from UBNT, Streakwave and Radio Waves about who was supposed to supply cables.. good

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

2,3 and 4. No issues From: Af > on behalf of SmarterBroadband > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 3:21 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Good to hear. Are you using 2 foot or 3 foot dishes? Any issues with the N connectors at all? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 11:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences We have about 5 deployed, no

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Ignoring a few software bugs and delayed fixes, it's good for '2nd string' links. If this is for high priority link, I'd try SIAE or Cambium. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On May 25, 2017, at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: > > We are looking to add some more

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

We have about 5 deployed, no issues so far… From: Af > on behalf of SmarterBroadband > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 2:46 PM

[AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

We are looking to add some more Licensed Links to our network. Does anyone actually have the AF11 in service. Is it worth a look? How is it performing for you? Any issues? Just not sure if it is worth considering or should I be looking at existing companied like; Exalt ? Dragonwave

Re: [AFMUG] Hybrid Control tower top

Very creatively. We took apart a Motorola POE (old style) and rewired it +,- +,- .. We power off ports 1,2,3 or 4, and data in a different port. Uses 2 ports instead of 1 but does the job From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 11:40 AM

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

Actually speaking here, as a provider you really dont have to support kodi and there streaming issues on the box if you can show that the services work without kodi and streaming your off the hook on supporting it. With kodi you dont know what connection or server your connecting to heck it

Re: [AFMUG] market value of a used AF24 link

Why are you getting rid of them? I can't buy them fast enough, they have been amazing for upgrading 3-5 mile tower links to something that delivers more bandwidth over AF5X's and it is cleaning our tower spectrum up too since we are getting a lot of competitors coming in using 5ghz On Wed, May

Re: [AFMUG] Unresponsive PMP450 AP

I was gonna say water in the case myself... On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote: > I had something very similar to this recently. There ended up being a lot > of water in the case. It worked for a short while after drying but > eventually died on the

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

I am getting more and more calls every week from clients saying that their "streaming isn't working." Upon investigating each one of these cases the customer always has purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and they are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From what I can

Re: [AFMUG] Hybrid Control tower top

How are you powering a 320 on the S16? Eric Rogers www.pdsconnect.me (317) 831-3000 x200 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: May 25, 2017 11:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hybrid Control tower top We are using S16s which work well.

Re: [AFMUG] Hybrid Control tower top

We are using S16s which work well. Not using them with Medusa stuff though. Using 450s, ePMP, Canopy, 320s, UBNT, Mikrotik etc successfully From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:43 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Hybrid

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

haven't been able to reach him yet. - Original Message - From: Jeremy To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi? Why don't you ask him? On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:21 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

Just in case more are interested in how some of the APPs work.. Not all work how I described, apparently some content could utilize bittorrent. https://www.reddit.com/r/Addons4Kodi/comments/4zr23x/using_exodus_without_p2p/ On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 9:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

Search your list account for the term DMCA. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:09:53 AM

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

Why don't you ask him? On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:21 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > out of the 250 or so "warnings" received through this morning, about 80% > appear to be tv shows and random episodes of such tv shows. that is why i > was thinking kodi. perhaps he

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

out of the 250 or so "warnings" received through this morning, about 80% appear to be tv shows and random episodes of such tv shows. that is why i was thinking kodi. perhaps he browsed around just to see what would work and what wouldn't. i've never played with kodi but if this guy has this

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

with kodi you can download/add on for like utorrent to download movies or you can also download exodus. -Original Message- From: "Joe Novak" To: af@afmug.com Date: 05/25/17 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi? To be honest, unless he is using some odd P2P addon for

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

To be honest, unless he is using some odd P2P addon for Kodi it's unlikely. Most of the addons comb the net for the videos and aggregate the links for you to watch on Kodi - which means your not sharing it back. Some kind of popcorn time variant which is built on bittorrent is more likely, but I

[AFMUG] kodi?

we have a customer who literally has gotten no fewer than 150 complaints from both fox and ip-echelon ? (sp) in the last 24 hours. either he has downloaded half the internet or perhaps he has one of these new illegal kodi boxes. some of you with more experience than us in dealing with this -

[AFMUG] Hybrid Control tower top

I am looking or want to know what everyone else is doing for a tower type controller similar to CMM4 with a planet switch? I am sure that I may have missed the thread on this but wanted to see what everyone was doing for this. The Cmm4 with planet switch and a good sfp fiber module has been

Re: [AFMUG] anyone have a source for Cisco SPA112 adapter

Why not CN-R201P or CN-R200P? It has 2 ports on it and most voip providers like the ease of configuration in them. On 05/24/2017 06:03 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Looking for bulk pricing. Rory --

Re: [AFMUG] 5G tests

I dont do social media LOL On 05/25/2017 03:09 AM, Ken Patrick wrote: Ericsson + Verizon https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1461927630530653=180665211990241 --

[AFMUG] How Thunderbolt 3 won the port wars

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Re: [AFMUG] 5G tests

This one seemed to stream with better quality: https://www.facebook.com/ericsson/videos/1461927630530653/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Patrick" To:

[AFMUG] 5G tests

Ericsson + Verizon https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1461927630530653=180665211990241