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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11
ill have to look into browser
by clunky I mean slow to load, multiple instances where it went to the login
ill have to look into browser
by clunky I mean slow to load, multiple instances where it went to the
login screen for no reason, a junk gui to me is indicative of the gears
quality, unless the gear is designed for cli and gui is an afterthought
at least its not java, ill give it that
I guess
I’ve got multiple B11 links up, no issues, one carrying 300-400Mbps with over
1000 devices or more every single night for 50 miles and it’s been up for a
year. Could another product do that? Of course, but a year ago, this was the
most cost-effective product out there and it’s worked
Steve, you are mistaken on a couple of things. I’m not sure how you say it’s
clunky. It’s pretty easy, as are most of the vendors GUI’s.
As for our statement about the road trip, that is completely false. If the AP
is on the connection side, the client side will always search and connect.
Used to licensed gear for licensed frequence this cheap stuff is a stepdown for
sure. You get what you pay for. With licensed frequency I would pay a bit more
and use SAF. The experience starts with the mount.
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Steve Jones
Gesendet:
under the numbers.
I'm giving up on this nonsensical crap for the night
pretty sure we really got what we paid for with this stuff
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Mathew Howard
wrote:
> You should be able to type in the SSID... at least I can on whatever
> firmware
You should be able to type in the SSID... at least I can on whatever
firmware version we're running.
noise floor in the low 80s doesn't sound good... is noise showing up on the
spectrum analyzer, or is it just saying that under the numbers?
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Steve Jones
we are pulling out old hyperlink (I think) single pol panels from our
alvarion vl gear we decommissioned across the network, I wonder about
diversity. those combined have a smaller footprint I think than the stock
epmp sector. we had vl customers at over 8 miles off these into 200 degree
coverage,
very unimpressed thus far and theyre just sitting on my living room floor
web interface is so clunky, pretty well guarantees if a link has any issue
no getting to the other side to reboot it, definite road trip, glad these
are going in a redundant path
essids reverting to factory... awesome
I
I suppose you could attach an omni to some kind of a shield to an omni
fairly easily and turn it into a 180... it'd probably end up with better
F/B ratio than that sector too.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Steve Jones
wrote:
> lol 360 degree with extreme downtilt
lol 360 degree with extreme downtilt on an Omni could get interesting.
Maybe just get out the sawzall and split it down the middle?
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> You'd also have similar gain with two 90 degree antennas and a splitter.
>
> --
You'd also have similar gain with two 90 degree antennas and a splitter.
-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard"
To: "af"
Sent: 8/23/2017 10:42:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 180 degree 5ghz epmp antenna?
Hmm... that's interesting, but only 13dbi
Hmm... that's interesting, but only 13dbi and only 11db f/b ratio. I don't
really see much advantage over just using an omni.
On Aug 23, 2017 2:36 PM, "David Coudron"
wrote:
> We have been looking at these for similar situations, but haven’t pulled
> the trigger on
Sounds about right.
-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones"
To: "af@afmug.com"
Sent: 8/23/2017 8:36:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Somewhat OT: Random reboots
Ive found that if I start every issue assuming the device is hijacked
and the
I just spent a day testing apart VoIP streams trying to figure out why
calls weren't connecting. Finally decided to start over. I put the wrong ip
for the endpoint and the ILO just refused to process the call.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 7:36 PM Steve Jones wrote:
> Ive
Ive found that if I start every issue assuming the device is hijacked and
the activities are masked so I cant see them, it helps me to work back
slowly into reality until I discover what I messed up three weeks ago and
is just presenting now, usually turns out to be something really dumb, like
Just wanted to point out that the good capacitors are also Chinese.
-- Original Message --
From: "George Skorup"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 8:30:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Somewhat OT: Random reboots
Gear get really hot for an extended period of time?
What is strange about this is that each device that had an issue was at a
different site. Each one is connected to each other via a wireless link with
the exception of the core router that is hardliners in Sterlings cabinet. These
are on different power grids...kind of.
Thank you,
Brett A
Gear get really hot for an extended period of time? I've seen stupid
stuff start happening when capacitors are getting ready to go. I suppose
the same thing can happen if caps absorb a surge. Just an idea. Mikrotik
using crappy chinese capacitors.. nah, never.
On 8/23/2017 7:14 PM, Chris
The electric power issue at storm water site I mentioned on list has not
been solved. A huge motor started to ramp up during recent storm and never
reached 480 operational level and shut down, sending alarms and crews at 3
am to manually start other two motors. These are million dollar motors
I couldn't say for sure at this point. it was such a problem I had to move
the traffic.
they did respond that they have an "issue" theyre working on with transit
to chicago. I'm assuming whatever it was that the original issue was
"resolved" with this started shortly after their peering skipped
I wonder if your router and his switch had an issue at the same time.
That lends credence to the theory that you're getting something wacky on
the power line.
-- Original Message --
From: "Brett A Mansfield"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 8:02:57 PM
Bad power can definitely cause weird symptoms. Do you have anything monitoring
current/voltage draw?
Chris Wright
Network Administrator
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Somewhat
And line conditioning strategy
Jaime Solorza
On Aug 23, 2017 6:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote:
> Nope...he didn't wear an amulet by stomach during eclipse
> I would look into faulty wiring and recommend isolation of devices to see
> if problem follows device ...
>
>
Nope...he didn't wear an amulet by stomach during eclipse
I would look into faulty wiring and recommend isolation of devices to see
if problem follows device ...
Jaime Solorza
On Aug 23, 2017 6:04 PM, wrote:
> So my death ray works after all...
>
> -Original Message-
So my death ray works after all...
-Original Message-
From: Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 6:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Somewhat OT: Random reboots
I’ve been having the strangest day today with my network. It all started
with a sudden reboot of my
I’ve been having the strangest day today with my network. It all started with a
sudden reboot of my core router. Made no sense to me at all until Sterling
mentioned the brownouts (my core router sits right next to many of his switches
in the same cabinet).
Next, another core router reboots
Is traffic leaving and arriving through the same provider? Sounds similar to a
Reverse Path Forwarding issue I had a long time ago.
Chris Wright
Network Administrator
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Probably about half of them were on battery UPS, yes.
On the POE side anyways, not on the direct DC plug.
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs,
Ducking by the way :)
Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail:
Maybe a battery backup ?
Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail:
500...thanks
Jaime Solorza
On Aug 23, 2017 12:52 PM, "Josh Luthman"
wrote:
> Uhh which product? The e400 and e500 only have the cnMaestro feature of
> seeing other WiFi networks (not actual noise spectrum analyzer).
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
Also thanks for offer to help out...way cool
Jaime Solorza
On Aug 23, 2017 1:51 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote:
> I have MetaGeek WiSpy on laptop, and several Apps on phone and two
> tablets. I have Xirrus, Ruckus, Ubnt and Cambium APs and radios plus
> Spectrum
I have MetaGeek WiSpy on laptop, and several Apps on phone and two
tablets. I have Xirrus, Ruckus, Ubnt and Cambium APs and radios plus
Spectrum Analyzer...will use my telescoping mast to set up at different
heights.
Jaime Solorza
On Aug 23, 2017 1:03 PM, "Brian Webster"
We have been looking at these for similar situations, but haven’t pulled the
trigger on any and tried them as of yet. We’d be interested to know if anyone
else has tried them. Only 13 dBi gain, otherwise we’d be more excited about
them.
I found that dropping them in boiling water rather than bringing them to boil
from cold made a statistically significant improvement in peelability.
I did a bunch of experiments last fall on this.
From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:23 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re:
Two 90s and a splitter.
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:27 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 180 degree 5ghz epmp antenna?
I haven't ever found anything wider than 120 degrees... A 180 would come in
handy in a lot of places.
On Aug 23, 2017 1:51 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
I haven't ever found anything wider than 120 degrees... A 180 would come in
handy in a lot of places.
On Aug 23, 2017 1:51 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote:
> Easy to make a shield for it...Solectek used shields for 60,90 and 120
> degrees made by Seavey Engineering
My wife got tired of problems peeling eggs and looked for different ways to do
it. The method she ended up with is to put the eggs in the pot with cold water
and bring to a boil. As soon as the water starts a rolling boil she turns the
burner off, covers the pot and sets a timer for
I usually start with the eggs in the water and bring it to a boil and
experienced the same problems mentioned. Tried the putting them directly in to
boiling water for 12 minutes the other night, then poured off the boiling water
and ran cold water over them and let them sit. They peel nicely
When you do your survey I would recommend you name each AP differently and take
the walk through slowly to make sure you pick up each AP and it’s signal level.
There are a number of phone apps that allow you to log the coverage survey
file. With separate AP names you can then isolate each AP
in our case no, but reseating the sfp does, it sees it there, its just dead
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> I'd be curious if disable/enable the interface brings the SFP back to
> life, or re-inserting the SFP module.
>
>
> -- Original Message
I'll have to try both of those next time and see.
Maybe there would be a watchdog function in Mikrotik I could use to power cycle
automatically in these cases.
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:29 PM
Uhh which product? The e400 and e500 only have the cnMaestro feature of
seeing other WiFi networks (not actual noise spectrum analyzer).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
Easy to make a shield for it...Solectek used shields for 60,90 and 120
degrees made by Seavey Engineering Antennas...I have made shields for
myself and customers.
Jaime Solorza
On Aug 23, 2017 11:21 AM, "Steve Jones" wrote:
> is there such a beast as this?
>
> I have
I'd be curious if disable/enable the interface brings the SFP back to
life, or re-inserting the SFP module.
-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 2:24:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik
He's saying the switch is "up" but the SFP's stop communicating until a
reboot.
I assumed fiber SFP's. Maybe in a brownout the SFP dies first because
it's farther from the power supply than other components in the switch.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown"
Could this have been the cause of my first outage in 7 months? I was wondering
what happened. My router had a brief blip in voltage and rebooted. I was very
sad to lose my 7 month uptime, even though it was just a 1 minute long outage
(long enough for the EdgeRouter and AF24 to reboot).
Thank
The last one was empty, and had no upfitting; not even a rack. I'm
guessing the weight on the rear wheel (it was the rear wheel that
cracked the lid) was no more than 1500#.
bp
On 8/23/2017 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
A 3/4 ton pickup might way 9000 lbs empty.
Battery backup is your friend. Even if the batteries are small, a simple
DC UPS will filter out almost all AC problems you can imagine. If the
site is important to you, you should have battery backup anyway.
bp
On 8/23/2017 10:39 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
I
Glitches could come in through the ethernet side too.
-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs,Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS
units
I had about 10 of these units suffer from the
A 3/4 ton pickup might way 9000 lbs empty. Heavier in the front if it's
empty, heavier in the back if it's full. Depending on the exact truck
and what was in it, it's possible the weight on one tire exceeded 2500
pounds.
-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince"
I had about 10 of these units suffer from the disconnect problem this morning.
Some were powered solely from DC wall plug directly to round connector.
Some were powered solely from POE injector from included DC wall plug power
supply.
Some were actually powered by both direct DC round plug AND
We have at least 50 CRS and I've never seen that.
We aren't using the wall warts though. These are almost all on Traco
48v power supplies plus a 48 to 24 converter. So I have a second layer
of conversion between the device and the power. That's just an
observation and I don't know that it
Power fluctuations cause ground connections to bounce too. If you have
grounding and bonding issues, that might explain it.
-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:39 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up
we have an sfp issue like that, i only have 1 of the PS powered, i wondered
if that was part of the issue. we also have an APC source switch that the
primary has a flaky battery so it would switch sources. Now you have me
wondering if when it swaps if theres a fluctuation
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at
I get power glitches from time to time in our city and it never fails to cause
one or more of our CRS units to glitch.
They appear powered and running, but SFP+ modules don't communicate until a
power cycle.
Anyone else see this?
And generally, I don't understand how variations in 110v AC get
Cambium also just released the 450b SM so there is now a lower cost SM that
works in the 4.9ghz band.
-Sean
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM George Skorup
wrote:
> What Sean said about the water/case seal problem, limited issue.
>
> If you want 4.9-5.9 capability,
is there such a beast as this?
I have a couple locations where i need better downtilt for near customers,
under half mile. Theyre right in the middle of towns and i have room for
maybe 2 more access points or id just roll out 4 more epmp lites.
one site we just redid had two 90 epmp sectors, a
The new 670 has Point to a Few Points and it woks in that band. Prolly looking
at 3x the cost though.
Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:35 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> 450i
we have been dealing with amazon issues on one of our upstreams
they had some BGP issues where they werent sending our announcements to the
world, watching the peering all of a sudden they were peered with level3
directly, our announcements were working but we started having skullduggery
with
What Sean said about the water/case seal problem, limited issue.
If you want 4.9-5.9 capability, PxP450i or PTP650. 450i is obviously
going to be cheaper. If you're not going to use the integrated panel
version of one of those, then make sure the antennas you choose actually
work down in the
We use corrugated plastic culvert pipe for access to our septic clean
outs. It happens to be 30" diameter, and we have traffic-rated lids that
go over the top. The original lids were supposed to be rated at 2500#
load. One of those cracked when a 3/4 ton pickup rolled over it. We
replaced that
When I was looking at the meter pits made from culvert pipe, one of the
manufacturers had instructions saying to add a concrete collar around
the pipe to make it traffic rated. They had an elevation view which
appeared to show just a concrete ring around the culvert pipe. They
didn't *sell*
nice thing about 450i vs AF4X is the 450i can do 4.9ghz, 5.2, 5.3,5.4,
5.8ghz where as the AF4X is limited to only 4.9Ghz. You may need the extra
channels for some un-forseen reason down the road.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> 450i is a solid product
The first rule of RF Club is: You do not talk about RF Club.The
second rule of RF Club...
On 08/23/2017 08:40 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
I think a book is warranted here on Chucks RF life...not his night club
fights and behaving Badly book...like the scantily clad house wife
needing
I think a book is warranted here on Chucks RF life...not his night club
fights and behaving Badly book...like the scantily clad house wife needing
service and oh yes telephone lines repaired. Use Steve to add color
commentary...It will be a best seller
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
450i is a solid product and the water intrusion was a limited bad batch.
we installed a 4.9Ghz system for our city and it's been a great solution
for them (and kept the city out of the unlicensed bands)
-sean
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 6:15 AM, Lewis Bergman
wrote:
> I
Yes, some kind of tab to keep it centered. Perhaps some legs that would go
down the inside of the culvert with some small plates on the end for feet to
give it some more crush strength.
The legs would not have to be attached to the lid.
Not sure whether to make a hinged lid or keep it simple
Some sort of studs on the bottom to position it on the pipe, perhaps?
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 11:14:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I was planning a circular diamond plate cover. Something simple.
I was planning a circular diamond plate cover. Something simple.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yeah actually I just realized that 18" diameter is kind of tight for a coil of
OSP fiber. Do-able, but
Yeah actually I just realized that 18" diameter is kind of tight for a
coil of OSP fiber. Do-able, but tight.
I guess the hunt continues. If you do make something, let us know.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 10:57:28
It also depends whether you start with eggs in the water while it's
heating up vs adding the eggs to already boiling water.
10 minutes might be just enough if you start with the eggs already in
the water and start the timer after you have a rolling boil.
-- Original Message --
From:
To me, hard boiled means the yolks have a slight green tint.
From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly
17 min? I do 7min for soft boiled, 10 for hard boiled … and these are the
organic large eggs costco sells
17 min? I do 7min for soft boiled, 10 for hard boiled … and these are the
organic large eggs costco sells
From: Af > on behalf of Steve
Jones >
Reply-To:
Getting all that information today..I am guessing no more 10 to 15 AP I am
rough guessing. It's huge... covers a block.
Jaime Solorza
On Aug 23, 2017 7:21 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
> How big is this warehouse? My shop is 22,400 square feet and it is
> covered by one single
Holy cow, ham licenses are pretty hard to actually lose arent they
On Aug 23, 2017 8:19 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
> most folks don’t know the old history of Beehive (prior to me).
>
> There was an issue with marine radio/phone patch being used to clear
> credit card
How big is this warehouse? My shop is 22,400 square feet and it is covered by
one single AP and that works very well.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 6:21 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cisco site survey
Yea, sometimes money is better spent doing something
most folks don’t know the old history of Beehive (prior to me).
There was an issue with marine radio/phone patch being used to clear credit
card transactions, take reservations and place orders to vendors at a “social
club” a ways North of Las Vegas.
Actually FCC had a hearing on the
Have to give that a try.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 8:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly
I think I got it!
I did my usual, but dipped them out of the boiling water, ran them under cold
water in the colander to quick chill them. then dumped the
AF4X would work well. Likely cheaper too.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
Original message
From: Lewis Bergman
Date: 8/23/17 7:15 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i or alternative
I am
Yea, sometimes money is better spent doing something than thinking about
doing something...testing. Sometimes...not so much. Wish I could positively
identify the prior. Most guesses are correct, but that one you miss can
even things up. I can say you can rent a S412e for a week for a lot less
than
I am putting up a link for a library and I originally quoted the 450i about
a year ago. This link goes to a Sheriff's department so could use 4.9G so I
would like the product to at least be capable of that band. GPS sync would
be nice as they have plans for another link in the future.
1. Is
Just a guess, but wouldn't be surprised if the Beehive applications were highly
scrutinized by Uncle Charlie..
MG radio service has only recently seen this reduced turn around speed - MW
(Homeland Security, Public Safety) have had it for several years. CF (Common
Carrier) will not see this as
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