Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread Mark Radabaugh
WISPA has not been talking about it. > > From: Steve Jones <> > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 9:12 AM > To: af@afmug.com <> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn > > Are any WISPA representatives on this issue to get clarification of impact, > maybe some resour

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread Adam Moffett
Mr. McCown found a clause excluding any outside plant stuff. -- Original Message -- From: "Mitch Koep" <af...@abwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 5/12/2017 4:29:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn next question ... Does this mean each install, new to

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread Mitch Koep
trictly from a cost and efficiency point of view it might work out to be a good thing. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 5/12/2017 10:39:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread Jay Weekley
to:ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 5/12/2017 10:39:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn The whole company and everything we do is not covered. That is how I read it. Not covered: *Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread Bill Prince
<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 5/12/2017 10:39:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn The whole company and everything we do is not covered. That is how I read it. Not covered: *Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may include those entities that ar

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread Jay Weekley
l Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 5/12/2017 10:39:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn The whole company and everything we do is not covered. That is how I read it. Not cov

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread Steve Jones
though." > > He might have a point. The customer would absolutely hate that, but > strictly from a cost and efficiency point of view it might work out to be a > good thing. > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread Mitch Koep
customer would absolutely hate that, but strictly from a cost and efficiency point of view it might work out to be a good thing. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 5/12/2017 10:39:50 AM Subject: Re

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread Adam Moffett
om a cost and efficiency point of view it might work out to be a good thing. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 5/12/2017 10:39:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn The whole company and everything we do is not covered. That is how I read it. N

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread chuck
As far as I know WISPA has not been talking about it. From: Steve Jones Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 9:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn Are any WISPA representatives on this issue to get clarification of impact, maybe some resources by region On Fri, May 12, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread Steve Jones
ion, or > distribution systems) or communications systems (such as telephone, CATV,* > *Internet, satellite, or data services). * > > > > > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) > *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 1:42 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartbur

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread chuck
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn Doesn't the note only apply to this exemption: "(4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive control of communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces used exclusively for such installations." So your CO or

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread Adam Moffett
m> Sent: 5/12/2017 3:42:47 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn Doesn't the note only apply to this exemption: "(4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive control of communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces used exclusively for such inst

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread Adam Moffett
Is the janitor storing a mop bucket in the phone closet? Is it still "exclusively for such installations" then? -- Original Message -- From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 5/12/2017 3:4

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-12 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > I read it as our entity is not covered. So everything we do. > > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) > *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 6:07 PM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn > &

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
The way I read this, an outdoor ONT is exempt. .. an indoor one would not be? On May 11, 2017 4:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > > > NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE > > 90.2 Scope. > (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical > conductors, equipment, and

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Bruce Robertson
Sounds like good news. On 5/11/17 3:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE 90.2 Scope. (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Chuck McCown
NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE 90.2 Scope. (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables and raceways for the following: (1) Public and private

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/11/17 6:41 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: This could cause problems if true: http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/ Seems to me, the fire code rules and we are exempt, but I cannot find a citation to that.

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/11/17 1:59 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: This is going to make fiber a lot more attractive in many situations. Fiber falls under article 770, except when specifically referred to Article 300.

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Chuck McCown
The devices on the end of the fiber needs power so that is not fixing this potential issue. From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 3:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn It's non-conductive. My guess that you could run fiber as long as it doesn't contain

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Bill Prince
It's non-conductive. My guess that you could run fiber as long as it doesn't contain anything conductive. bp On 5/11/2017 2:53 PM, Mitch Koep wrote: fiber still needs power??? On 05/11/2017 03:59 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: This is going to make fiber a lot more

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Chuck McCown
Some states have a LV electrician license. That may be coming to your state. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 3:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn On 5/11/17 11:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote: so if we hire a retired

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/11/17 11:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote: so if we hire a retired electrician to sit and eat sandwiches can we get apprenticeship status for our guys? That might be what ends up happening.

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Jason McKemie
This is going to make fiber a lot more attractive in many situations. On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > This could cause problems if true: > http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/ > > Seems to me, the fire code rules and we

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Steve Jones
so if we hire a retired electrician to sit and eat sandwiches can we get apprenticeship status for our guys? On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 5/11/17 7:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> It appears to be as real as your local building authority.

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/11/17 7:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: It appears to be as real as your local building authority. However someone said they think we are exempt as being similar to a public utility. Still trying to track that down. When will all your stuff need to carry a UL listing if not exempt? My gut

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Chuck McCown
It appears to be as real as your local building authority. However someone said they think we are exempt as being similar to a public utility. Still trying to track that down. From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Steve Jones
is this for real? On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 5/11/17 6:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: > >> Wow. >> >> >> >> This is going to make data centers and electricians a boatload of money. >> >> >> >> They will now require their own staff to do all

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/11/17 6:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: Wow. This is going to make data centers and electricians a boatload of money. They will now require their own staff to do all the NOC work, you we will pay them a trillion dollars an hour for mounting a server and plugging it in. Ads new

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Sterling Jacobson
home owner will have to hire an electrician to do every home hookup unless we have staff and contractors doing the work at $80+ an hour. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn This could

[AFMUG] NEC heartburn

2017-05-11 Thread Chuck McCown
This could cause problems if true: http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/ Seems to me, the fire code rules and we are exempt, but I cannot find a citation to that.