WISPA has not been talking about it.
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> From: Steve Jones <>
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> Are any WISPA representatives on this issue to get clarification of impact,
> maybe some resour
Mr. McCown found a clause excluding any outside plant stuff.
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next question ...
Does this mean each install, new to
trictly from a cost and efficiency point of view it might
work out to be a good thing.
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The whole company and everything we do is not covered. That is
how I read it.
Not covered:
*Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of
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The whole company and everything we do is not covered. That is
how I read it.
Not covered:
*Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may
include those entities that ar
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The whole company and everything we do is not covered. That is
how I read it.
Not cov
though."
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> He might have a point. The customer would absolutely hate that, but
> strictly from a cost and efficiency point of view it might work out to be a
> good thing.
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customer would absolutely hate that, but
strictly from a cost and efficiency point of view it might work out to
be a good thing.
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om a cost and efficiency point of view it might work out to
be a good thing.
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The whole company and everything we do is not covered. That is how I
read it.
N
As far as I know WISPA has not been talking about it.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 9:12 AM
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Are any WISPA representatives on this issue to get clarification of impact,
maybe some resources by region
On Fri, May 12, 2017
ion, or
> distribution systems) or communications systems (such as telephone, CATV,*
> *Internet, satellite, or data services). *
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> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 1:42 AM
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Doesn't the note only apply to this exemption:
"(4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive control of
communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces used
exclusively for such installations."
So your CO or
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Doesn't the note only apply to this exemption:
"(4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive
control of communications utilities located outdoors or in building
spaces used exclusively for such inst
Is the janitor storing a mop bucket in the phone closet? Is it still
"exclusively for such installations" then?
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On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> I read it as our entity is not covered. So everything we do.
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> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
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&
The way I read this, an outdoor ONT is exempt. .. an indoor one would not
be?
On May 11, 2017 4:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
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> NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE
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> 90.2 Scope.
> (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical
> conductors, equipment, and
Sounds like good news.
On 5/11/17 3:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE
90.2 Scope.
(A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of
electrical conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and
communications conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber
NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE
90.2 Scope.
(A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical
conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications conductors,
equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables and raceways for the
following:
(1) Public and private
On 5/11/17 6:41 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
This could cause problems if true:
http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/
Seems to me, the fire code rules and we are exempt, but I cannot find a
citation to that.
On 5/11/17 1:59 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
This is going to make fiber a lot more attractive in many situations.
Fiber falls under article 770, except when specifically referred to
Article 300.
The devices on the end of the fiber needs power so that is not fixing this
potential issue.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
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It's non-conductive. My guess that you could run fiber as long as it doesn't
contain
It's non-conductive. My guess that you could run fiber as long as it
doesn't contain anything conductive.
bp
On 5/11/2017 2:53 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:
fiber still needs power???
On 05/11/2017 03:59 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
This is going to make fiber a lot more
Some states have a LV electrician license.
That may be coming to your state.
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From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn
On 5/11/17 11:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
so if we hire a retired
On 5/11/17 11:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
so if we hire a retired electrician to sit and eat sandwiches can we get
apprenticeship status for our guys?
That might be what ends up happening.
This is going to make fiber a lot more attractive in many situations.
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> This could cause problems if true:
> http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/
>
> Seems to me, the fire code rules and we
so if we hire a retired electrician to sit and eat sandwiches can we get
apprenticeship status for our guys?
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 5/11/17 7:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> It appears to be as real as your local building authority.
On 5/11/17 7:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
It appears to be as real as your local building authority. However
someone said they think we are exempt as being similar to a public
utility. Still trying to track that down.
When will all your stuff need to carry a UL listing if not exempt?
My gut
It appears to be as real as your local building authority. However someone
said they think we are exempt as being similar to a public utility. Still
trying to track that down.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn
is this for real?
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 5/11/17 6:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
>> Wow.
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>>
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>> This is going to make data centers and electricians a boatload of money.
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>>
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>> They will now require their own staff to do all
On 5/11/17 6:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Wow.
This is going to make data centers and electricians a boatload of money.
They will now require their own staff to do all the NOC work, you we
will pay them a trillion dollars an hour for mounting a server and
plugging it in.
Ads new
home owner will have to hire an electrician to do every home hookup
unless we have staff and contractors doing the work at $80+ an hour.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn
This could
This could cause problems if true:
http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/
Seems to me, the fire code rules and we are exempt, but I cannot find a
citation to that.
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