Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-28 Thread Mark Radabaugh
> On Nov 28, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > > On the other hand, being considered Title II may be beneficial when you're > trying to get ROW access, pole attachments, and duct space. So in that > respect I think I'm benefiting from it now, and I worry

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-28 Thread Adam Moffett
stay in place, and I don't believe that open access will die without them. -Adam -- Original Message -- From: "Dennis Burgess" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 11/28/2017 8:56:16 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Arti

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-28 Thread Chuck McCown
9:03 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: fiber...@mail.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 11/27/2017 3:07:26 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read > >>> I don't

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-28 Thread Dennis Burgess
...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read -- Original Message -- From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/27/2017 3:07:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read >>I don

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-27 Thread Mike Hammett
:02:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read -- Original Message -- From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/27/2017 3:07:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read >>I don't see >>where he's blaming transit providers for anything.

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-27 Thread Adam Moffett
-- Original Message -- From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/27/2017 3:07:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read I don't see where he's blaming transit providers for anything. See the paragraphs in the middle about Cogent. The transit provider

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-27 Thread Mike Hammett
: "Dennis Burgess" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 5:52:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read Furthermore, I don't necessary agree with this. Remember, Netflix is the one paying Cogent and Cogent is selling Netflix o

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-27 Thread Chuck McCown
I presumed Cogent did it at the request of Comcast. After all, Netflix creates less demand for their CATV offering. -Original Message- From: Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 4:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read I take two parts

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-27 Thread Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 1:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read > https://blog.streamingmedia.com/2017/11/net-neutrality-is-a-sham.html Nah, it falls down on its face pretty hard. Dan basically posits that it's all the fault of transit providers, complet

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-27 Thread Dennis Burgess
Best NN Article I've Read > I think you're reading this through glasses tinted to whatever predisposition > you have to the issue. Obvious I have my own biases, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong :) Now, I never claimed I was impartial or unbiased, but the article in question doe

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-27 Thread fiberrun
> I think you're reading this through glasses tinted to whatever predisposition > you have to the issue. Obvious I have my own biases, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong :) Now, I never claimed I was impartial or unbiased, but the article in question does not rise to the standard of "best NN

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-27 Thread Mike Hammett
Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 2:07:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read > I don't see > where he's blaming transit provid

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-27 Thread fiberrun
> I don't see > where he's blaming transit providers for anything. See the paragraphs in the middle about Cogent. > The transit provider > was an example of a technical point that most of the public is unaware > of, but which complicates the discussion. It complicates the discussion

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-27 Thread Mathew Howard
One of my biggest problems with the whole NN thing, is the fact that all the reasons people list for needing it aren't things that have ever really happened (or they were resolved one way or another without NN). It seems to me the best thing to do is get rid of the (apparently) pointless

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-27 Thread Adam Moffett
https://blog.streamingmedia.com/2017/11/net-neutrality-is-a-sham.html Nah, it falls down on its face pretty hard. Dan basically posits that it's all the fault of transit providers, completely ignoring the fact that the transit market is a competitive market whereas last mile providers

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-27 Thread fiberrun
> https://blog.streamingmedia.com/2017/11/net-neutrality-is-a-sham.html Nah, it falls down on its face pretty hard. Dan basically posits that it's all the fault of transit providers, completely ignoring the fact that the transit market is a competitive market whereas last mile providers have

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-27 Thread Adam Moffett
This highlights something I've been complaining about. I found the open internet order to be mostly harmless, possibly pointless. I'm neutral on whether it stays or goes. Literally *Everyone* I've heard talking about it on both sides is presenting an argument that is not based on any facts.