Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

[Jason Wilson]

2/5ghz 2x2
http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//SEC-XL2450DP.html

2/5ghz 3x3
http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//176-SEC2450-3x3.html

3/5ghz 2x2
http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//SEC3550DP.html

Looks like they will all do the whole band


Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> I should have looked at the frequency plot.  It’s not bad.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?
>
>
>
> They only go down to 5.4GHz.  I might be using 2 antennas.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:29 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?
>
>
>
> KP
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> I thought Arc had them but I was mistaken.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “The winner ain’t the one with the fastest car, it’s the one who refuses
> to lose.” – Dale Earnhardt
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Radio Mobile

[Josh Reynolds]

No, I fixed his problem :)

One of many...
On Jun 28, 2016 6:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> You like talking to yourself I gather
> On Jun 27, 2016 10:57 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> The rmcore.zip is getting blocked by something upstream.  If anyone can
>> down load that file and email it to me it would be appreciated.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2016 10:42 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: OT Radio Mobile
>>
>> Trying to upgrade RM and the zip file will not open.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2016 10:09 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* OT Radio Mobile
>>
>> Is RM just not capable of bringing in terraserver maps anymore (or is it
>> terraserver that is the problem).  Like to put a map under my picture.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

[Rory Conaway]

I should have looked at the frequency plot.  It’s not bad.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

They only go down to 5.4GHz.  I might be using 2 antennas.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:29 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

KP

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
I thought Arc had them but I was mistaken.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“The winner ain’t the one with the fastest car, it’s the one who refuses to 
lose.” – Dale Earnhardt

Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

[Rory Conaway]

They only go down to 5.4GHz.  I might be using 2 antennas.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:29 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

KP

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
I thought Arc had them but I was mistaken.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“The winner ain’t the one with the fastest car, it’s the one who refuses to 
lose.” – Dale Earnhardt

Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

[Rory Conaway]

Thanks.  I looked there but I missed it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:29 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

KP

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
I thought Arc had them but I was mistaken.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“The winner ain’t the one with the fastest car, it’s the one who refuses to 
lose.” – Dale Earnhardt

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[Ken Hohhof]

If I remember right, the 3 GHz integrated panel versions are 130M.


From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

The 450d gets a free upgrade 40Mbps with 14.1.1+. I'm guessing they didn't do 
that with the 3GHz integrated panel SM. Haven't bought any.


On 6/28/2016 10:13 PM, Daniel White wrote:

  Personally I like them.  Reflectors and the classic Canopy case SM’s are 
certainly more popular though.

   

  There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though.  I think the 4 pack and 
only 20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns some people off.

   

  Daniel White

  Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

  ConVergence Technologies

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

   

  Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d has more of a narrow 
antenna pattern then using a dish so I would expect to see better results don't 
have 1 to try though..

   

  On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 5:55 PM Jon Langeler  wrote:

Someone bought one that's not government?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
> Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM with reflector?  I
> have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain and wandered if that
> will get me over the hump.
>
> What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the PMP450 3.6 with integrated 
antenna?


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Re: [AFMUG] New PowerInjector Plus Sync?

[Ken Hohhof]

“But I want it now!”
  - Homer Simpson

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New PowerInjector Plus Sync?

12 port! 12 port!

Oh wait.. 18 port! 18 port!

Are they done yet? How about now? Now?

OK, I'll shut up.


On 6/28/2016 9:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

  Yes,  but wait a week or so for the gigabit one. 

  On Jun 28, 2016 1:15 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

I'm curious, does it support 450i and PMP100 in the same injector?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[George Skorup]

The 450d gets a free upgrade 40Mbps with 14.1.1+. I'm guessing they 
didn't do that with the 3GHz integrated panel SM. Haven't bought any.


On 6/28/2016 10:13 PM, Daniel White wrote:


Personally I like them.  Reflectors and the classic Canopy case SM’s 
are certainly more popular though.


There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though.  I think the 4 pack 
and only 20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns some people off.


Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies__

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *timothy steele
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d has more of a 
narrow antenna pattern then using a dish so I would expect to see 
better results don't have 1 to try though..


On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 5:55 PM Jon Langeler > wrote:


Someone bought one that's not government?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt > wrote:
>
> Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM with reflector?  I
> have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain and wandered if that
> will get me over the hump.
>
> What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the PMP450 3.6 with
integrated antenna?


 
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Re: [AFMUG] New PowerInjector Plus Sync?

[George Skorup]

Same. We'll do GigE for everything. Less stuff to stock. Same as like 
with Chuck's surge suppressors, we just use the GigE-HV on everything.


On 6/28/2016 10:34 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Yes! 12 port!

Is the 10/100 already shipping? I'm trying to decide whether or not to 
order some now or wait for the gigabit one... I don't really care 
about gigabit on our ePMP and 900mhz APs, but I like the idea of just 
using the same injector for everything...


On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:20 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


12 port! 12 port!

Oh wait.. 18 port! 18 port!

Are they done yet? How about now? Now?

OK, I'll shut up.


On 6/28/2016 9:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:


Yes,  but wait a week or so for the gigabit one.

On Jun 28, 2016 1:15 PM, "Jon Langeler"
> wrote:

I'm curious, does it support 450i and PMP100 in the same
injector?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] New PowerInjector Plus Sync?

[Mathew Howard]

Yes! 12 port!

Is the 10/100 already shipping? I'm trying to decide whether or not to
order some now or wait for the gigabit one... I don't really care about
gigabit on our ePMP and 900mhz APs, but I like the idea of just using the
same injector for everything...

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:20 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> 12 port! 12 port!
>
> Oh wait.. 18 port! 18 port!
>
> Are they done yet? How about now? Now?
>
> OK, I'll shut up.
>
>
> On 6/28/2016 9:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Yes,  but wait a week or so for the gigabit one.
> On Jun 28, 2016 1:15 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:
>
>> I'm curious, does it support 450i and PMP100 in the same injector?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

[Mathew Howard]

KP

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> I thought Arc had them but I was mistaken.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “The winner ain’t the one with the fastest car, it’s the one who refuses
> to lose.” – Dale Earnhardt
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New PowerInjector Plus Sync?

[George Skorup]

12 port! 12 port!

Oh wait.. 18 port! 18 port!

Are they done yet? How about now? Now?

OK, I'll shut up.

On 6/28/2016 9:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:


Yes,  but wait a week or so for the gigabit one.

On Jun 28, 2016 1:15 PM, "Jon Langeler" > wrote:


I'm curious, does it support 450i and PMP100 in the same injector?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

[AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

[Rory Conaway]

I thought Arc had them but I was mistaken.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"The winner ain't the one with the fastest car, it's the one who refuses to 
lose." - Dale Earnhardt

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[Daniel White]

Personally I like them.  Reflectors and the classic Canopy case SM’s are 
certainly more popular though.



There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though.  I think the 4 pack and only 
20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns some people off.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector



Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d has more of a narrow 
antenna pattern then using a dish so I would expect to see better results don't 
have 1 to try though..



On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 5:55 PM Jon Langeler  > wrote:

Someone bought one that's not government?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt   > wrote:
>
> Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM with reflector?  I
> have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain and wandered if that
> will get me over the hump.
>
> What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the PMP450 3.6 with integrated antenna?



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Re: [AFMUG] New PowerInjector Plus Sync?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yes,  but wait a week or so for the gigabit one.
On Jun 28, 2016 1:15 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> I'm curious, does it support 450i and PMP100 in the same injector?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have coverage in Winston, New Mexico 87943

[Jaime Solorza]

I know exactly where this place as wife and I have hiked nearby... all I
saw last year was Hughes stuff Truth or Consequences is nearest town
where wisp might beI don't any there.  Socorro NM wisp has POPs on
mountains covering hard to reach areas but not sure about Chloride and
Winston...they are hidden by hills...
On Jun 28, 2016 4:28 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

Specifically the mining site.



*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*

*4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *



“The winner ain’t the one with the fastest car, it’s the one who refuses to
lose.” – Dale Earnhardt

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 180

[Jaime Solorza]

Security reasons in those areasthe other ones are mounted on sides of
building or roofthree more tomorrow if rain let's us.
On Jun 28, 2016 6:21 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

> Is there a reason they want it installed inside instead of drilling hole
> for cable?
>
> Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
> On Jun 28, 2016 7:08 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> I have installed four so far this week in a secured detention center with
>> three inside SHUs and they are working great...right through walls to a
>> sectored epmp on 45 ft. Tower.   Impressed with performance. wish LEDs
>> were brighter...but they are working still learning interface.kind
>> of Cisco-oy
>> ..too much on itthese are short links but impressive how 5ghz is
>> penetrating metal and cinder block.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 180

[Darin Steffl]

Is there a reason they want it installed inside instead of drilling hole
for cable?

Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 28, 2016 7:08 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> I have installed four so far this week in a secured detention center with
> three inside SHUs and they are working great...right through walls to a
> sectored epmp on 45 ft. Tower.   Impressed with performance. wish LEDs
> were brighter...but they are working still learning interface.kind
> of Cisco-oy
> ..too much on itthese are short links but impressive how 5ghz is
> penetrating metal and cinder block.
>

[AFMUG] Cambium Force 180

[Jaime Solorza]

I have installed four so far this week in a secured detention center with
three inside SHUs and they are working great...right through walls to a
sectored epmp on 45 ft. Tower.   Impressed with performance. wish LEDs
were brighter...but they are working still learning interface.kind
of Cisco-oy
..too much on itthese are short links but impressive how 5ghz is
penetrating metal and cinder block.

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Radio Mobile

[Jaime Solorza]

You like talking to yourself I gather
On Jun 27, 2016 10:57 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> The rmcore.zip is getting blocked by something upstream.  If anyone can
> down load that file and email it to me it would be appreciated.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2016 10:42 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: OT Radio Mobile
>
> Trying to upgrade RM and the zip file will not open.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2016 10:09 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* OT Radio Mobile
>
> Is RM just not capable of bringing in terraserver maps anymore (or is it
> terraserver that is the problem).  Like to put a map under my picture.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

[Jaime Solorza]

Better than, "she did the tube steak boogie "
On Jun 28, 2016 3:47 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

That somehow morphed into “I really like your peaches, wanna shake your
tree”...  I learned not all girls appreciate being serenaded with that
line...

*From:* Craig Schmaderer 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:44 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video


Didn’t you mother teach you to eat your fruits and vegetables?



*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video



Yeah, but you gotta use fruit to use it... not a fruit type of guy.



*From:* Gino Villarini 

*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:21 PM

*To:* Animal Farm 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video



imovie



On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

https://youtu.be/Y0c9CA0PyZ8



Still working on my quality and editing.  I will probably do some closeups
to the product.  Windows movie maker leaves a bunch to be desired as far as
overlaying photos and video onto existing video.  They don’t allow you to
manipulate separate audio tracks very well.



I have tried a few others, still have not found a free editor I like.

Re: [AFMUG] PTP600 negotiation to 100bt instead of 1G

[Sean Heskett]

are you on a tower with an FM transmitter?

sounds like RF is bleeding onto the ethernet line

-Sean

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Hanson  wrote:

> Has anyone had trouble with the slave side of their PTP600's turning from
> 1G to 100mb?
>
> We've had it happen a couple of times, and seem to have eliminated
> firmware. Always seems to be the slave who's affected. Master reads 1gbps.
>
> Bench tested last slave at 1g, put in service it was 100mb. Took the one
> that it was replacing that was reading 100mb, and benched at 1g.
>
> Switch that it's connected to is a 1G switch that doesn't (in my memoy)
> have problems with other 1G devices.
>
> (Tech laptops and other radios nego at a gig fine.)
>
>

[AFMUG] Does anyone have coverage in Winston, New Mexico 87943

[Rory Conaway]

Specifically the mining site.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"The winner ain't the one with the fastest car, it's the one who refuses to 
lose." - Dale Earnhardt

Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[Eric Kuhnke]

The SIAE AlfoPlus2 is also dual polarity in one radio head and 4096QAM - so
basically the same throughput capability as an IP20C but quite a bit less
costly.

Not that 4096QAM is really something you should count on for full data
rates, the required Rx threshold is so strong in most radios I've seen
(-50.5? or around there) that in reality it's better to calculate links as
if they are 1024QAM radios.



On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:

> I’m feeling like the Ceragon IP20C is still the most highest performance
> radio out there..  alas missing 10G SFP+, so 2 port lag required.
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 2:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..
>
>
>
> Can this do FCC standard channel sizes in 18 GHz?  Reading the spec sheet
> it looks very nice, but ETSI channel sizes only, and one polarity in a 56
> MHz wide channel at 4096QAM is nowhere near 1 Gbps.
>
> In 2+0 yes, but then once you convert Euros to dollars and buy four radio
> heads the cost is approaching the cost of an existing high capacity 1 Gbps
> 18 GHz product like the Exalt ExtremeAir (dual polarity 18 GHz 80 MHz wide
> 256QAM radio).
>
> 4096QAM
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Daniel Gerlach 
> wrote:
>
> we like the Intracom 4096 QAM for 5k€ with antennas...with right pdf
>
>
> 2016-06-28 22:18 GMT+02:00 Daniel Gerlach :
> > we like the Intracom 4096 QAM for 5k€ with antennas.
> >
> > 2016-06-28 20:41 GMT+02:00 Chuck McCown :
>
> >> Come on man, leak it!  You know you want to...
> >>
> >> From: Jaime Fink
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 12:36 PM
> >> To: SmarterBroadband ; af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..
> >>
> >> Geez, we get beat up for pre-announcing, and then people want to know
> what
> >> we’re building when we don’t!  ;)
> >>
> >> Safe to say with the strong interest and shipments of B11, it’s an area
> we
> >> expect to expand to have more distance options beyond 11 GHz, but I
> can’t
> >> really comment on which frequencies and timing at this point.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder
> >>
> >> On June 28, 2016 at 11:22:59 AM, SmarterBroadband
> >> (li...@smarterbroadband.com) wrote:
> >>
> >> Any plans?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:00 AM
> >> To: Peter Kranz; af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nope!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On June 28, 2016 at 10:58:10 AM, Peter Kranz (pkr...@unwiredltd.com)
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Has Mimosa showed any pre-release systems in bands above 11Ghz?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter Kranz
> >> www.UnwiredLtd.com
> >> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> >> Mobile: 510-207-
> >> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:56 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am very interested to hear if Mimosa will have 18 GHz soon.  I would
> >> expect it from them.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Peter Kranz
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:46 AM
> >>
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >>
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ok follow up to my dragonwave question..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Opinions on the best 18Ghz radio currently available on the market at
> this
> >> time with actual product availability?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Features of interest:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Channel bonding
> >>
> >> 100 Mhz channels
> >>
> >> H/V mimo
> >>
> >> At least 1.25 Gbps uncompressed throughput
> >>
> >> Hitless modulation adaptation
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter Kranz
> >> www.UnwiredLtd.com
> >> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> >> Mobile: 510-207-
> >> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[timothy steele]

Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d has more of a narrow
antenna pattern then using a dish so I would expect to see better results
don't have 1 to try though..

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 5:55 PM Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Someone bought one that's not government?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
> > On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt  wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM with reflector?  I
> > have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain and wandered if that
> > will get me over the hump.
> >
> > What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the PMP450 3.6 with integrated
> antenna?
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[Jon Langeler]

Someone bought one that's not government?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM with reflector?  I
> have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain and wandered if that
> will get me over the hump.
> 
> What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the PMP450 3.6 with integrated antenna?

Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[Peter Kranz]

I’m feeling like the Ceragon IP20C is still the most highest performance radio 
out there..  alas missing 10G SFP+, so 2 port lag required.

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 2:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

 

Can this do FCC standard channel sizes in 18 GHz?  Reading the spec sheet it 
looks very nice, but ETSI channel sizes only, and one polarity in a 56 MHz wide 
channel at 4096QAM is nowhere near 1 Gbps.

In 2+0 yes, but then once you convert Euros to dollars and buy four radio heads 
the cost is approaching the cost of an existing high capacity 1 Gbps 18 GHz 
product like the Exalt ExtremeAir (dual polarity 18 GHz 80 MHz wide 256QAM 
radio).

4096QAM 

 

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Daniel Gerlach  > wrote:

we like the Intracom 4096 QAM for 5k€ with antennas...with right pdf


2016-06-28 22:18 GMT+02:00 Daniel Gerlach  >:
> we like the Intracom 4096 QAM for 5k€ with antennas.
>
> 2016-06-28 20:41 GMT+02:00 Chuck McCown   >:

>> Come on man, leak it!  You know you want to...
>>
>> From: Jaime Fink
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 12:36 PM
>> To: SmarterBroadband ; af@afmug.com  
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..
>>
>> Geez, we get beat up for pre-announcing, and then people want to know what
>> we’re building when we don’t!  ;)
>>
>> Safe to say with the strong interest and shipments of B11, it’s an area we
>> expect to expand to have more distance options beyond 11 GHz, but I can’t
>> really comment on which frequencies and timing at this point.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder
>>
>> On June 28, 2016 at 11:22:59 AM, SmarterBroadband
>> (li...@smarterbroadband.com  ) wrote:
>>
>> Any plans?
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On 
>> Behalf Of Jaime Fink
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:00 AM
>> To: Peter Kranz; af@afmug.com  
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..
>>
>>
>>
>> Nope!
>>
>>
>>
>> Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder
>>
>>
>>
>> On June 28, 2016 at 10:58:10 AM, Peter Kranz (pkr...@unwiredltd.com 
>>  ) wrote:
>>
>> Has Mimosa showed any pre-release systems in bands above 11Ghz?
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Kranz
>> www.UnwiredLtd.com  
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com  
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On 
>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:56 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com  
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..
>>
>>
>>
>> I am very interested to hear if Mimosa will have 18 GHz soon.  I would
>> expect it from them.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Peter Kranz
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:46 AM
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com  
>>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok follow up to my dragonwave question..
>>
>>
>>
>> Opinions on the best 18Ghz radio currently available on the market at this
>> time with actual product availability?
>>
>>
>>
>> Features of interest:
>>
>>
>>
>> Channel bonding
>>
>> 100 Mhz channels
>>
>> H/V mimo
>>
>> At least 1.25 Gbps uncompressed throughput
>>
>> Hitless modulation adaptation
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Kranz
>> www.UnwiredLtd.com  
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com  
>>
>>

 

Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

[Chuck McCown]

That somehow morphed into “I really like your peaches, wanna shake your 
tree”...  I learned not all girls appreciate being serenaded with that line...

From: Craig Schmaderer 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

Didn’t you mother teach you to eat your fruits and vegetables? 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

 

Yeah, but you gotta use fruit to use it... not a fruit type of guy.  

 

From: Gino Villarini 

Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:21 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

 

imovie

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  https://youtu.be/Y0c9CA0PyZ8

   

  Still working on my quality and editing.  I will probably do some closeups to 
the product.  Windows movie maker leaves a bunch to be desired as far as 
overlaying photos and video onto existing video.  They don’t allow you to 
manipulate separate audio tracks very well.

   

  I have tried a few others, still have not found a free editor I like.  

 

Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

[Craig Schmaderer]

Didn’t you mother teach you to eat your fruits and vegetables?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

Yeah, but you gotta use fruit to use it... not a fruit type of guy.

From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:21 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

imovie

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
https://youtu.be/Y0c9CA0PyZ8

Still working on my quality and editing.  I will probably do some closeups to 
the product.  Windows movie maker leaves a bunch to be desired as far as 
overlaying photos and video onto existing video.  They don’t allow you to 
manipulate separate audio tracks very well.

I have tried a few others, still have not found a free editor I like.

[AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[Matt]

Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM with reflector?  I
have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain and wandered if that
will get me over the hump.

What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the PMP450 3.6 with integrated antenna?

Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, but you gotta use fruit to use it... not a fruit type of guy.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:21 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

imovie

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  https://youtu.be/Y0c9CA0PyZ8

  Still working on my quality and editing.  I will probably do some closeups to 
the product.  Windows movie maker leaves a bunch to be desired as far as 
overlaying photos and video onto existing video.  They don’t allow you to 
manipulate separate audio tracks very well.

  I have tried a few others, still have not found a free editor I like.  

Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

[Gino Villarini]

imovie

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> https://youtu.be/Y0c9CA0PyZ8
>
> Still working on my quality and editing.  I will probably do some closeups
> to the product.  Windows movie maker leaves a bunch to be desired as far as
> overlaying photos and video onto existing video.  They don’t allow you to
> manipulate separate audio tracks very well.
>
> I have tried a few others, still have not found a free editor I like.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[Eric Kuhnke]

Can this do FCC standard channel sizes in 18 GHz?  Reading the spec sheet
it looks very nice, but ETSI channel sizes only, and one polarity in a 56
MHz wide channel at 4096QAM is nowhere near 1 Gbps.

In 2+0 yes, but then once you convert Euros to dollars and buy four radio
heads the cost is approaching the cost of an existing high capacity 1 Gbps
18 GHz product like the Exalt ExtremeAir (dual polarity 18 GHz 80 MHz wide
256QAM radio).

4096QAM


On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Daniel Gerlach 
wrote:

> we like the Intracom 4096 QAM for 5k€ with antennas...with right pdf
>
>
> 2016-06-28 22:18 GMT+02:00 Daniel Gerlach :
> > we like the Intracom 4096 QAM for 5k€ with antennas.
> >
> > 2016-06-28 20:41 GMT+02:00 Chuck McCown :
> >> Come on man, leak it!  You know you want to...
> >>
> >> From: Jaime Fink
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 12:36 PM
> >> To: SmarterBroadband ; af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..
> >>
> >> Geez, we get beat up for pre-announcing, and then people want to know
> what
> >> we’re building when we don’t!  ;)
> >>
> >> Safe to say with the strong interest and shipments of B11, it’s an area
> we
> >> expect to expand to have more distance options beyond 11 GHz, but I
> can’t
> >> really comment on which frequencies and timing at this point.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder
> >>
> >> On June 28, 2016 at 11:22:59 AM, SmarterBroadband
> >> (li...@smarterbroadband.com) wrote:
> >>
> >> Any plans?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:00 AM
> >> To: Peter Kranz; af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nope!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On June 28, 2016 at 10:58:10 AM, Peter Kranz (pkr...@unwiredltd.com)
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Has Mimosa showed any pre-release systems in bands above 11Ghz?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter Kranz
> >> www.UnwiredLtd.com
> >> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> >> Mobile: 510-207-
> >> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:56 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am very interested to hear if Mimosa will have 18 GHz soon.  I would
> >> expect it from them.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Peter Kranz
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:46 AM
> >>
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >>
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ok follow up to my dragonwave question..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Opinions on the best 18Ghz radio currently available on the market at
> this
> >> time with actual product availability?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Features of interest:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Channel bonding
> >>
> >> 100 Mhz channels
> >>
> >> H/V mimo
> >>
> >> At least 1.25 Gbps uncompressed throughput
> >>
> >> Hitless modulation adaptation
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter Kranz
> >> www.UnwiredLtd.com
> >> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> >> Mobile: 510-207-
> >> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
> >>
> >>
>

[AFMUG] power supply for CAP 320 AP needed

[Eric Muehleisen]

I'm looking for (3) ACPSSW-15A power supplies. I think these are EOL and a
couple of our vendors don't have any.  Can anyone help us out?

Hoping to have before Friday.

Re: [AFMUG] PTP600 negotiation to 100bt instead of 1G

[Shayne Lebrun]

Try a new PDU, try a new cable.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hanson
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PTP600 negotiation to 100bt instead of 1G

Has anyone had trouble with the slave side of their PTP600's turning from 1G to 
100mb?

We've had it happen a couple of times, and seem to have eliminated firmware. 
Always seems to be the slave who's affected. Master reads 1gbps.

Bench tested last slave at 1g, put in service it was 100mb. Took the one that 
it was replacing that was reading 100mb, and benched at 1g.

Switch that it's connected to is a 1G switch that doesn't (in my memoy) have 
problems with other 1G devices.

(Tech laptops and other radios nego at a gig fine.)

[AFMUG] New PowerInjector Plus Sync?

[Jon Langeler]

I'm curious, does it support 450i and PMP100 in the same injector?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

[AFMUG] PTP600 negotiation to 100bt instead of 1G

[Hanson]

Has anyone had trouble with the slave side of their PTP600's turning 
from 1G to 100mb?


We've had it happen a couple of times, and seem to have eliminated 
firmware. Always seems to be the slave who's affected. Master reads 1gbps.


Bench tested last slave at 1g, put in service it was 100mb. Took the one 
that it was replacing that was reading 100mb, and benched at 1g.


Switch that it's connected to is a 1G switch that doesn't (in my memoy) 
have problems with other 1G devices.


(Tech laptops and other radios nego at a gig fine.)

[AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

[Chuck McCown]

https://youtu.be/Y0c9CA0PyZ8

Still working on my quality and editing.  I will probably do some closeups to 
the product.  Windows movie maker leaves a bunch to be desired as far as 
overlaying photos and video onto existing video.  They don’t allow you to 
manipulate separate audio tracks very well.

I have tried a few others, still have not found a free editor I like.  

Re: [AFMUG] Hardened Cisco router suggestions.

[Cassidy B. Larson]

The IE3000 and IE3010 would work. We have a few of the IE3000’s out there..

However, if you want MPLS, check out the ASR901S.  I got a few units to test of 
those to replace some of the IE3000’s.


> On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Steve Utick  wrote:
> 
> Maybe something like one of their Industrial Ethernet switches:
> 
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/switches/industrial-ethernet-3010-series-switches/datasheet_c78-637080.html
>  
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Erich Kaiser  > wrote:
> What are guys recommending/using for a hardened Cisco router that can do the 
> basics, OSPF, gigabit Interfaces, DHCP?
> 
> Possibly 1G SFP ports
> 
> 
> 
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com 
> Office: 630-621-4804 
> Cell: 630-777-9291 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Hardened Cisco router suggestions.

[Steve Utick]

Maybe something like one of their Industrial Ethernet switches:

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/switches/industrial-ethernet-3010-series-switches/datasheet_c78-637080.html

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> What are guys recommending/using for a hardened Cisco router that can do
> the basics, OSPF, gigabit Interfaces, DHCP?
>
> Possibly 1G SFP ports
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hardened Cisco router suggestions.

[Paul Stewart]

Not hardened specifically but used to have a bunch of 2960 8 port fanless 
switches deployed in harsh temperature conditions at one time and had great 
success with them .. Somewhere around -40 to +120 degrees ... Not sure if that 
helps for your use application

Paul 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Erich Kaiser  wrote:
> 
> What are guys recommending/using for a hardened Cisco router that can do the 
> basics, OSPF, gigabit Interfaces, DHCP? 
> 
> Possibly 1G SFP ports
> 
> 
> 
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
> 

[AFMUG] Hardened Cisco router suggestions.

[Erich Kaiser]

What are guys recommending/using for a hardened Cisco router that can do
the basics, OSPF, gigabit Interfaces, DHCP?

Possibly 1G SFP ports



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

[Lewis Bergman]

I'll bet I may have credited a dozen account late fees in all the time we
charged it.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 1:34 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 6/28/16 11:18, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > I found a high proportion of people would pay the bill, ignore the late
> > fee.  Then you would have to decide whether to void it or enforce it.
> > Paperwork hassle either way.
>
>
> I treat it as a partial payment and it'll be auto disconnected for
> nonpayment like normal. If someone asks nicely we'll usually give them
> one "out" per year if they don't have a history. But if they think
> they're special or don't reach out beforehand or are an argumentative
> a-hole then they are handled strictly by what's in writing regarding
> their account.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[Chuck McCown]

Come on man, leak it!  You know you want to...

From: Jaime Fink 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 12:36 PM
To: SmarterBroadband ; af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

Geez, we get beat up for pre-announcing, and then people want to know what 
we’re building when we don’t!  ;)

Safe to say with the strong interest and shipments of B11, it’s an area we 
expect to expand to have more distance options beyond 11 GHz, but I can’t 
really comment on which frequencies and timing at this point.

Cheers,

Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder


On June 28, 2016 at 11:22:59 AM, SmarterBroadband (li...@smarterbroadband.com) 
wrote:

  Any plans?

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:00 AM
  To: Peter Kranz; af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

   

  Nope!

   

  Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder

   

  On June 28, 2016 at 10:58:10 AM, Peter Kranz (pkr...@unwiredltd.com) wrote:

Has Mimosa showed any pre-release systems in bands above 11Ghz?

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

 

I am very interested to hear if Mimosa will have 18 GHz soon.  I would 
expect it from them.  

 

From: Peter Kranz 

Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:46 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

 

Ok follow up to my dragonwave question..

 

Opinions on the best 18Ghz radio currently available on the market at this 
time with actual product availability?

 

Features of interest:

 

Channel bonding

100 Mhz channels

H/V mimo

At least 1.25 Gbps uncompressed throughput

Hitless modulation adaptation

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[Jaime Fink]

Geez, we get beat up for pre-announcing, and then people want to know what 
we’re building when we don’t!  ;)

Safe to say with the strong interest and shipments of B11, it’s an area we 
expect to expand to have more distance options beyond 11 GHz, but I can’t 
really comment on which frequencies and timing at this point.

Cheers,

Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder


On June 28, 2016 at 11:22:59 AM, SmarterBroadband 
(li...@smarterbroadband.com) wrote:
Any plans?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:00 AM
To: Peter Kranz; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

Nope!

Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder


On June 28, 2016 at 10:58:10 AM, Peter Kranz 
(pkr...@unwiredltd.com) wrote:
Has Mimosa showed any pre-release systems in bands above 11Ghz?

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

I am very interested to hear if Mimosa will have 18 GHz soon.  I would expect 
it from them.

From: Peter Kranz
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

Ok follow up to my dragonwave question..

Opinions on the best 18Ghz radio currently available on the market at this time 
with actual product availability?

Features of interest:

Channel bonding
100 Mhz channels
H/V mimo
At least 1.25 Gbps uncompressed throughput
Hitless modulation adaptation

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 6/28/16 11:18, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I found a high proportion of people would pay the bill, ignore the late
fee.  Then you would have to decide whether to void it or enforce it.
Paperwork hassle either way.



I treat it as a partial payment and it'll be auto disconnected for 
nonpayment like normal. If someone asks nicely we'll usually give them 
one "out" per year if they don't have a history. But if they think 
they're special or don't reach out beforehand or are an argumentative 
a-hole then they are handled strictly by what's in writing regarding 
their account.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

[Daniel White]

Yes it was a Remec ODU.



My point was though that many adapters are available.  It’s not worst case.  
Just that the antenna interface itself is proprietary.  And depending on where 
you get the adapter, it may very well cost as much if not more than a 1ft/2ft 
antenna (also depending on who/where you get it).



Adapters IMHO for 1ft/2ft antennas are not worth it unless it is to retrofit an 
existing installation where you don’t have climbers that can path a link or 
where your using contractors (since you have to pay by the hour).



Also be cautious that an adapter may not work with an OMT or Coupler.  Make 
sure to ask.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?



Correct.  The 800 was Remec Rectangular.

Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 


On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Bill Prince  > wrote:

Cambium (before the PTP820) was Remec, correct? IDK about the PTP820/Ceregon.



bp



On 6/28/2016 11:00 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

Cambium/Ceragon have an adapter kit for most major brands/interfaces, including 
Dragonwave.

Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 


On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

No need for worst case.  I can make any radio fit any antenna and vice versa.



From: Daniel White 

Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:31 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?



DragonWave.



The interface designs are proprietary by every manufacturer.  The only reason 
Remec became a standard was that Remec ODU’s were used by so many manufacturers 
for a few years.  Remec basically gave away their design.  This is how 
manufacturers protect antenna sales (distributors could buy Remec antennas 
direct from the manufacturers, other OEM’s do not allow the antenna 
manufacturers to sell the antennas to anyone but the OEM typically).



Many manufacturers have adapters from one brand to another, and worst case you 
could always get a remote mount kit and convert to waveguide (although with a 
2ft antenna your better buying a new antenna).



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?



What other vendors use the same mount as Dragonwave?







Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 






 


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Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

[Adam Moffett]

Enforce it.

"Aw gee sir, it looks like you have a balance of $7 that's more than 30 
days past due so the system shut you off automaticallyI really wish 
I could help you, but the computer just won't let me reactivate until 
that little balance is clear.  Sorry, I sure wish there was something 
more I could do for you.  I guess you might just have to start trying to 
pay on time to make this dumb billing computer happy. I'm sooo sorry."


*rubs nipples*


-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/28/2016 2:18:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

I found a high proportion of people would pay the bill, ignore the late 
fee.  Then you would have to decide whether to void it or enforce it.  
Paperwork hassle either way.



From:Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:05 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

Our late fee is $10I thought that was low.  I really would prefer 
the people who pay late and constantly need special attention for 
billing issues go elsewhere.


On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Lewis Bergman 
 wrote:

Very good point Ken.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 8:40 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
If you bill for the previous month, count on not getting the last 
month for at least half the customers who leave.  I’m talking about 
renters who move every 12 months, people who sell their house, etc.


That does affect your bottom line.

Also, if you turn someone off for nonpayment, and now they already 
owe you for last month plus part of this month, it can become 
tempting to just stiff you and find a new provider.  I know one ex 
customer that has gone through us plus 2 other local WISPs plus Rise 
Broadband twice.  I compare it to people who are under water on their 
mortgage, they are actually money ahead to walk away or get 
foreclosed.  You don’t want your customer to owe you so much money 
that it is in their economic best interest to switch providers and 
not pay you what they owe.



From:Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:23 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

In the end, it doesn’t matter if it is pre or post billing.  It may 
give you heartburn to see non-pays getting something for nothing for 
a month but in the grand scheme of things, it makes no difference 
because we have fixed monthly costs.  If they pay or not doesn’t 
affect our OPEX.




Jim Bouse

Owner

Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi

979-985-5912

j...@brazoswifi.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman


Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:15 AM

To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?




Prebilling would be the preferred method I would think. We billed on 
the first and wanted to prebill. In the end, it probably didn't make 
a hug difference to the bottom line. I just liked the thought of 
limiting weekday someone got for nothing.




On Mon, Jun 27, 2016, 4:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


Exactly.

And most communications services (phone, cable TV, etc.) are prepaid 
for

monthly charges and postpaid for usage based charges.


-Original Message-
From: Larry Smith
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

If you do not "pre" bill for service, such as internet access,
there is little to no chance of collection after the fact if
they decide not to pay...   We pre-bill for the "next" month
on the 20th, due by the 1st, suspend services on the 6th
for CC, ACH, etc (auto payments) that fail, then suspend
cash, check customers on the 10th.

Our billing system handles this without issue (Freeside).

--
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

On Mon June 27 2016 14:35, Christopher Gray wrote:
> I've setup my billing so everything is expected to be paid before 
service
> is provided (prepaid). I send invoices in advance of a service 
cycle and
> they are due by the beginning of the service cycle. Early on, I 
convinced
> myself this was a good idea so I would never have to deal with 
collections

> and it seemed fair.
>
> I'm working on switching billing systems, and the new system does 
not
> really operate that way. This has me wondering if my method is 
really a
> good one, or if there are good reasons to bill at the start of a 
service
> cycle. I've gone through my bills and others I have available to 
me, and

> very few actually bill in advance of a service cycle.
>
> Is there a good reason to avoid prepaid service or that companies 
tend not

> to do it?
>
> -Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[SmarterBroadband]

Any plans?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:00 AM
To: Peter Kranz; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

 

Nope!

 

Jaime Fink •   Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder

 

On June 28, 2016 at 10:58:10 AM, Peter Kranz (pkr...@unwiredltd.com) wrote:

Has Mimosa showed any pre-release systems in bands above 11Ghz?

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

 

I am very interested to hear if Mimosa will have 18 GHz soon.  I would expect 
it from them.  

 

From: Peter Kranz   

Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:46 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

 

Ok follow up to my dragonwave question..

 

Opinions on the best 18Ghz radio currently available on the market at this time 
with actual product availability?

 

Features of interest:

 

Channel bonding

100 Mhz channels

H/V mimo

At least 1.25 Gbps uncompressed throughput

Hitless modulation adaptation

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

[SmarterBroadband]

Ours is $10 also.  Still same people late and pay it most months….

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

 

Our late fee is $10I thought that was low.  I really would prefer the 
people who pay late and constantly need special attention for billing issues go 
elsewhere.

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

Very good point Ken.

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 8:40 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

If you bill for the previous month, count on not getting the last month for at 
least half the customers who leave.  I’m talking about renters who move every 
12 months, people who sell their house, etc.

 

That does affect your bottom line.

 

Also, if you turn someone off for nonpayment, and now they already owe you for 
last month plus part of this month, it can become tempting to just stiff you 
and find a new provider.  I know one ex customer that has gone through us plus 
2 other local WISPs plus Rise Broadband twice.  I compare it to people who are 
under water on their mortgage, they are actually money ahead to walk away or 
get foreclosed.  You don’t want your customer to owe you so much money that it 
is in their economic best interest to switch providers and not pay you what 
they owe.

 

 

From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]   

Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:23 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

 

In the end, it doesn’t matter if it is pre or post billing.  It may give you 
heartburn to see non-pays getting something for nothing for a month but in the 
grand scheme of things, it makes no difference because we have fixed monthly 
costs.  If they pay or not doesn’t affect our OPEX. 

 

Jim Bouse

Owner

Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi

979-985-5912

j...@brazoswifi.com 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman


Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:15 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

 

Prebilling would be the preferred method I would think. We billed on the first 
and wanted to prebill. In the end, it probably didn't make a hug difference to 
the bottom line. I just liked the thought of limiting weekday someone got for 
nothing. 

 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016, 4:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Exactly.

And most communications services (phone, cable TV, etc.) are prepaid for
monthly charges and postpaid for usage based charges.


-Original Message-
From: Larry Smith
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

If you do not "pre" bill for service, such as internet access,
there is little to no chance of collection after the fact if
they decide not to pay...   We pre-bill for the "next" month
on the 20th, due by the 1st, suspend services on the 6th
for CC, ACH, etc (auto payments) that fail, then suspend
cash, check customers on the 10th.

Our billing system handles this without issue (Freeside).

--
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

On Mon June 27 2016 14:35, Christopher Gray wrote:
> I've setup my billing so everything is expected to be paid before service
> is provided (prepaid). I send invoices in advance of a service cycle and
> they are due by the beginning of the service cycle. Early on, I convinced
> myself this was a good idea so I would never have to deal with collections
> and it seemed fair.
>
> I'm working on switching billing systems, and the new system does not
> really operate that way. This has me wondering if my method is really a
> good one, or if there are good reasons to bill at the start of a service
> cycle. I've gone through my bills and others I have available to me, and
> very few actually bill in advance of a service cycle.
>
> Is there a good reason to avoid prepaid service or that companies tend not
> to do it?
>
> -Chris

 

Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

[Ken Hohhof]

I found a high proportion of people would pay the bill, ignore the late fee.  
Then you would have to decide whether to void it or enforce it.  Paperwork 
hassle either way.


From: Jeremy 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

Our late fee is $10I thought that was low.  I really would prefer the 
people who pay late and constantly need special attention for billing issues go 
elsewhere.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  Very good point Ken.

  On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 8:40 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

If you bill for the previous month, count on not getting the last month for 
at least half the customers who leave.  I’m talking about renters who move 
every 12 months, people who sell their house, etc.

That does affect your bottom line.

Also, if you turn someone off for nonpayment, and now they already owe you 
for last month plus part of this month, it can become tempting to just stiff 
you and find a new provider.  I know one ex customer that has gone through us 
plus 2 other local WISPs plus Rise Broadband twice.  I compare it to people who 
are under water on their mortgage, they are actually money ahead to walk away 
or get foreclosed.  You don’t want your customer to owe you so much money that 
it is in their economic best interest to switch providers and not pay you what 
they owe.


From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

In the end, it doesn’t matter if it is pre or post billing.  It may give 
you heartburn to see non-pays getting something for nothing for a month but in 
the grand scheme of things, it makes no difference because we have fixed 
monthly costs.  If they pay or not doesn’t affect our OPEX. 



Jim Bouse

Owner

Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi

979-985-5912

j...@brazoswifi.com 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman


Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:15 AM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?




Prebilling would be the preferred method I would think. We billed on the 
first and wanted to prebill. In the end, it probably didn't make a hug 
difference to the bottom line. I just liked the thought of limiting weekday 
someone got for nothing. 



On Mon, Jun 27, 2016, 4:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Exactly.

  And most communications services (phone, cable TV, etc.) are prepaid for
  monthly charges and postpaid for usage based charges.


  -Original Message-
  From: Larry Smith
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

  If you do not "pre" bill for service, such as internet access,
  there is little to no chance of collection after the fact if
  they decide not to pay...   We pre-bill for the "next" month
  on the 20th, due by the 1st, suspend services on the 6th
  for CC, ACH, etc (auto payments) that fail, then suspend
  cash, check customers on the 10th.

  Our billing system handles this without issue (Freeside).

  --
  Larry Smith
  lesm...@ecsis.net

  On Mon June 27 2016 14:35, Christopher Gray wrote:
  > I've setup my billing so everything is expected to be paid before 
service
  > is provided (prepaid). I send invoices in advance of a service cycle and
  > they are due by the beginning of the service cycle. Early on, I 
convinced
  > myself this was a good idea so I would never have to deal with 
collections
  > and it seemed fair.
  >
  > I'm working on switching billing systems, and the new system does not
  > really operate that way. This has me wondering if my method is really a
  > good one, or if there are good reasons to bill at the start of a service
  > cycle. I've gone through my bills and others I have available to me, and
  > very few actually bill in advance of a service cycle.
  >
  > Is there a good reason to avoid prepaid service or that companies tend 
not
  > to do it?
  >
  > -Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

It IS RR...sorry, still in production.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:09 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:
> 
> Correct.  The 800 was Remec Rectangular.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
>> Cambium (before the PTP820) was Remec, correct? IDK about the PTP820/Ceregon.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/28/2016 11:00 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>> Cambium/Ceragon have an adapter kit for most major brands/interfaces, 
>>> including Dragonwave.
>>> 
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> 
 No need for worst case.  I can make any radio fit any antenna and vice 
 versa. 
  
 From: Daniel White
 Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:31 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?
  
 DragonWave.
  
 The interface designs are proprietary by every manufacturer.  The only 
 reason Remec became a standard was that Remec ODU’s were used by so many 
 manufacturers for a few years.  Remec basically gave away their design.  
 This is how manufacturers protect antenna sales (distributors could buy 
 Remec antennas direct from the manufacturers, other OEM’s do not allow the 
 antenna manufacturers to sell the antennas to anyone but the OEM 
 typically).
  
 Many manufacturers have adapters from one brand to another, and worst case 
 you could always get a remote mount kit and convert to waveguide (although 
 with a 2ft antenna your better buying a new antenna). 
  
 Daniel White
 Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
 ConVergence Technologies
 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
 dwh...@converge-tech.com
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
 Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:19 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?
  
 What other vendors use the same mount as Dragonwave?
  
 
  
 Peter Kranz
 www.UnwiredLtd.com
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com
  
 
Virus-free. www.avast.com
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[Adam Moffett]

"Best" is subjective.

Trango makes me happy.  Radios always come pre-configured and the 1' &2' 
dishes arrive pre-assembled so I just mate the ODU with the dish and 
stick it on the tower.  It's a good bang for your back too.


Maybe I'm a lazy bastard, but we had to assemble a bunch of Ceragon 
IP-20's recently and it annoyed me spending about an hour on each unit.  
I think when you're a small shop simple and convenient go a long way.


Trango Lynx is about a gig uncompressed in 2+0, so I'm afraid it doesn't 
hit your 1.25gbps requirement.



-- Original Message --
From: "Peter Kranz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/28/2016 1:46:13 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..


Ok follow up to my dragonwave question..



Opinions on the best 18Ghz radio currently available on the market at 
this time with actual product availability?




Features of interest:



Channel bonding

100 Mhz channels

H/V mimo

At least 1.25 Gbps uncompressed throughput

Hitless modulation adaptation



Peter Kranz
http://www.unwiredltd.com/
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Correct.  The 800 was Remec Rectangular.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Cambium (before the PTP820) was Remec, correct? IDK about the PTP820/Ceregon.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 6/28/2016 11:00 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>> Cambium/Ceragon have an adapter kit for most major brands/interfaces, 
>> including Dragonwave.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> 
>>> No need for worst case.  I can make any radio fit any antenna and vice 
>>> versa. 
>>>  
>>> From: Daniel White
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:31 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?
>>>  
>>> DragonWave.
>>>  
>>> The interface designs are proprietary by every manufacturer.  The only 
>>> reason Remec became a standard was that Remec ODU’s were used by so many 
>>> manufacturers for a few years.  Remec basically gave away their design.  
>>> This is how manufacturers protect antenna sales (distributors could buy 
>>> Remec antennas direct from the manufacturers,   other 
>>> OEM’s do not allow the antenna manufacturers to sell the antennas to anyone 
>>> but the OEM typically).
>>>  
>>> Many manufacturers have adapters from one brand to another, and worst case 
>>> you could always get a remote mount kit and convert to waveguide (although 
>>> with a 2ft antenna your better buying a new antenna). 
>>>  
>>> Daniel White
>>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>>> ConVergence Technologies
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:19 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?
>>>  
>>> What other vendors use the same mount as Dragonwave?
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Peter Kranz
>>> www.UnwiredLtd.com
>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

[Jeremy]

Our late fee is $10I thought that was low.  I really would prefer the
people who pay late and constantly need special attention for billing
issues go elsewhere.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Very good point Ken.
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 8:40 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> If you bill for the previous month, count on not getting the last month
>> for at least half the customers who leave.  I’m talking about renters who
>> move every 12 months, people who sell their house, etc.
>>
>> That does affect your bottom line.
>>
>> Also, if you turn someone off for nonpayment, and now they already owe
>> you for last month plus part of this month, it can become tempting to just
>> stiff you and find a new provider.  I know one ex customer that has gone
>> through us plus 2 other local WISPs plus Rise Broadband twice.  I compare
>> it to people who are under water on their mortgage, they are actually money
>> ahead to walk away or get foreclosed.  You don’t want your customer to owe
>> you so much money that it is in their economic best interest to switch
>> providers and not pay you what they owe.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:23 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?
>>
>>
>> In the end, it doesn’t matter if it is pre or post billing.  It may give
>> you heartburn to see non-pays getting something for nothing for a month but
>> in the grand scheme of things, it makes no difference because we have fixed
>> monthly costs.  If they pay or not doesn’t affect our OPEX.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>>
>> Owner
>>
>> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
>>
>> 979-985-5912
>>
>> j...@brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:15 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?
>>
>>
>>
>> Prebilling would be the preferred method I would think. We billed on the
>> first and wanted to prebill. In the end, it probably didn't make a hug
>> difference to the bottom line. I just liked the thought of limiting weekday
>> someone got for nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016, 4:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> And most communications services (phone, cable TV, etc.) are prepaid for
>> monthly charges and postpaid for usage based charges.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Larry Smith
>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:41 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?
>>
>> If you do not "pre" bill for service, such as internet access,
>> there is little to no chance of collection after the fact if
>> they decide not to pay...   We pre-bill for the "next" month
>> on the 20th, due by the 1st, suspend services on the 6th
>> for CC, ACH, etc (auto payments) that fail, then suspend
>> cash, check customers on the 10th.
>>
>> Our billing system handles this without issue (Freeside).
>>
>> --
>> Larry Smith
>> lesm...@ecsis.net
>>
>> On Mon June 27 2016 14:35, Christopher Gray wrote:
>> > I've setup my billing so everything is expected to be paid before
>> service
>> > is provided (prepaid). I send invoices in advance of a service cycle and
>> > they are due by the beginning of the service cycle. Early on, I
>> convinced
>> > myself this was a good idea so I would never have to deal with
>> collections
>> > and it seemed fair.
>> >
>> > I'm working on switching billing systems, and the new system does not
>> > really operate that way. This has me wondering if my method is really a
>> > good one, or if there are good reasons to bill at the start of a service
>> > cycle. I've gone through my bills and others I have available to me, and
>> > very few actually bill in advance of a service cycle.
>> >
>> > Is there a good reason to avoid prepaid service or that companies tend
>> not
>> > to do it?
>> >
>> > -Chris
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

[Bill Prince]

Cambium (before the PTP820) was Remec, correct? IDK about the 
PTP820/Ceregon.



bp


On 6/28/2016 11:00 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
Cambium/Ceragon have an adapter kit for most major brands/interfaces, 
including Dragonwave.


Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 

On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


No need for worst case.  I can make any radio fit any antenna and 
vice versa.

*From:* Daniel White 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

DragonWave.

The interface designs are proprietary by every manufacturer.  The 
only reason Remec became a standard was that Remec ODU’s were used by 
so many manufacturers for a few years.  Remec basically gave away 
their design.  This is how manufacturers protect antenna sales 
(distributors could buy Remec antennas direct from the manufacturers, 
other OEM’s do not allow the antenna manufacturers to sell the 
antennas to anyone but the OEM typically).


Many manufacturers have adapters from one brand to another, and worst 
case you could always get a remote mount kit and convert to waveguide 
(although with a 2ft antenna your better buying a new antenna).


Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies__

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com 

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:19 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

What other vendors use the same mount as Dragonwave?



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Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
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Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[Seth Mattinen]

On 6/28/16 10:57, Peter Kranz wrote:

Yes.. it a 50Mhz+50Mhz.



That's not a 100MHz channel, that's two 50MHz channels. Because there is 
18GHz hardware that can do 112MHz, just not in FCC land.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[Jaime Fink]

Nope!

Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder


On June 28, 2016 at 10:58:10 AM, Peter Kranz 
(pkr...@unwiredltd.com) wrote:
Has Mimosa showed any pre-release systems in bands above 11Ghz?

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

I am very interested to hear if Mimosa will have 18 GHz soon.  I would expect 
it from them.

From: Peter Kranz
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

Ok follow up to my dragonwave question..

Opinions on the best 18Ghz radio currently available on the market at this time 
with actual product availability?

Features of interest:

Channel bonding
100 Mhz channels
H/V mimo
At least 1.25 Gbps uncompressed throughput
Hitless modulation adaptation

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Cambium/Ceragon have an adapter kit for most major brands/interfaces, including 
Dragonwave.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> No need for worst case.  I can make any radio fit any antenna and vice versa. 
>  
> From: Daniel White
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?
>  
> DragonWave.
>  
> The interface designs are proprietary by every manufacturer.  The only reason 
> Remec became a standard was that Remec ODU’s were used by so many 
> manufacturers for a few years.  Remec basically gave away their design.  This 
> is how manufacturers protect antenna sales (distributors could buy Remec 
> antennas direct from the manufacturers, other OEM’s do not allow the antenna 
> manufacturers to sell the antennas to anyone but the OEM typically).
>  
> Many manufacturers have adapters from one brand to another, and worst case 
> you could always get a remote mount kit and convert to waveguide (although 
> with a 2ft antenna your better buying a new antenna). 
>  
> Daniel White
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
> ConVergence Technologies
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?
>  
> What other vendors use the same mount as Dragonwave?
>  
> 
>  
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>  
> 
>   Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[Peter Kranz]

Has Mimosa showed any pre-release systems in bands above 11Ghz?

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

 

I am very interested to hear if Mimosa will have 18 GHz soon.  I would
expect it from them.  

 

From: Peter Kranz   

Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:46 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

 

Ok follow up to my dragonwave question..

 

Opinions on the best 18Ghz radio currently available on the market at this
time with actual product availability?

 

Features of interest:

 

Channel bonding

100 Mhz channels

H/V mimo

At least 1.25 Gbps uncompressed throughput

Hitless modulation adaptation

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[Peter Kranz]

Yes.. it a 50Mhz+50Mhz.

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

On 6/28/16 10:46, Peter Kranz wrote:
> 100 Mhz channels
>

In FCC land?

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[Seth Mattinen]

On 6/28/16 10:46, Peter Kranz wrote:

100 Mhz channels



In FCC land?

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[Chuck McCown]

I am very interested to hear if Mimosa will have 18 GHz soon.  I would expect 
it from them.  

From: Peter Kranz 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

Ok follow up to my dragonwave question..

 

Opinions on the best 18Ghz radio currently available on the market at this time 
with actual product availability?

 

Features of interest:

 

Channel bonding

100 Mhz channels

H/V mimo

At least 1.25 Gbps uncompressed throughput

Hitless modulation adaptation

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Chris Wright]

On your Mikrotik bridge, you’ll want to make sure all your VLANs are bridged 
and no Horizon.

I tried something similar…
Mikrotik Core -> Fiber VLAN Trunk up tower -> Netonix -> Port based Untagged 
VLANs to APs

All the APs and the Core on the same subnet and they’ll talked to each other 
fine, like it was all one happy bridge (because it was). Upload/Download 
traffic was easily discernable from the Mikrotik because each had its own VLAN. 
No need to configure subnets for each access point and the SMs connected to 
them. I was never able to get Queues working on the VLANS on an individual 
basis though. Packet marks were unreliable (in both the IP Firewall and the 
Bridge Firewall), Simple Queues don’t recognize VLAN interfaces (nor do 
Interface Queues, for that matter). Torching the VLAN interface worked after 
adding MAC Protocol to the filter, as by the time it hit the VLAN it had gone 
through the pppoe server on the VLAN bridge.

Admittedly, it’s a pretty weird way to break up traffic on one’s core router 
per AP.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:33 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

The closest thing to a MikroTik switch with PoE out is an RB750UP or 
PowerBox... which could do the job, but they're missing some abilities an 
Edgepoint has - primarily GigE and an SFP port.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
Sounds like you're separating the traffic at L2 just to bring it back together.

If you want torch on each AP port, how about a mikrotik switch with PoE out?  
Those existI think...

I have no experience with UBNT switches, but if it doesn't provide the tools 
you need for troubleshooting, then it's not what you want.

-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/28/2016 11:52:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a better way?  
Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to try to 
troubleshoot any per port issues.
On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...
On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" 
> wrote:
Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP Space?
On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need to 
bridge them.


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From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, it's 
nothing but broken-ness.

You can still torch each vlan interface you know.
On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" 
> wrote:
I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest firmware 
allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm thinking of 
using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the ability to view 
per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for monitoring/troubleshooting 
purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a 
Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in the 
Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each AP, but the AP's 
cannot ping each other, and it seems that I have random packet loss from the 
Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting I'm missing that's blocking the 
traffic between Vlans, or is this a Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like 
that I'm bridging all these Vlans that are on the 

Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

[Chuck McCown]

No need for worst case.  I can make any radio fit any antenna and vice versa.  

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

DragonWave.

 

The interface designs are proprietary by every manufacturer.  The only reason 
Remec became a standard was that Remec ODU’s were used by so many manufacturers 
for a few years.  Remec basically gave away their design.  This is how 
manufacturers protect antenna sales (distributors could buy Remec antennas 
direct from the manufacturers, other OEM’s do not allow the antenna 
manufacturers to sell the antennas to anyone but the OEM typically).

 

Many manufacturers have adapters from one brand to another, and worst case you 
could always get a remote mount kit and convert to waveguide (although with a 
2ft antenna your better buying a new antenna).  

 

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

 

What other vendors use the same mount as Dragonwave?

 



 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 


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[AFMUG] Best 18Ghz radio on the market..

[Peter Kranz]

Ok follow up to my dragonwave question..

 

Opinions on the best 18Ghz radio currently available on the market at this
time with actual product availability?

 

Features of interest:

 

Channel bonding

100 Mhz channels

H/V mimo

At least 1.25 Gbps uncompressed throughput

Hitless modulation adaptation

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Mathew Howard]

The closest thing to a MikroTik switch with PoE out is an RB750UP or
PowerBox... which could do the job, but they're missing some abilities an
Edgepoint has - primarily GigE and an SFP port.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Sounds like you're separating the traffic at L2 just to bring it back
> together.
>
> If you want torch on each AP port, how about a mikrotik switch with PoE
> out?  Those exist*I think*...
>
> I have no experience with UBNT switches, but if it doesn't provide the
> tools you need for troubleshooting, then it's not what you want.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 6/28/2016 11:52:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans
>
>
> Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a better
> way?  Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to
> try to troubleshoot any per port issues.
>
> On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...
> On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
>> Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP
>> Space?
>>
>> On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> *nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need
>> to bridge them.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
>> 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans
>>
>> It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience,
>> it's nothing but broken-ness.
>>
>> You can still torch each vlan interface you know.
>> On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest
>>> firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm
>>> thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the
>>> ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for
>>> monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the
>>> R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge
>>> the Vlans together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can
>>> talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I
>>> have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting
>>> I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or is this a
>>> Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans
>>> that are on the same Mikrotik interface.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

[Daniel White]

DragonWave.

 

The interface designs are proprietary by every manufacturer.  The only
reason Remec became a standard was that Remec ODU's were used by so many
manufacturers for a few years.  Remec basically gave away their design.
This is how manufacturers protect antenna sales (distributors could buy
Remec antennas direct from the manufacturers, other OEM's do not allow the
antenna manufacturers to sell the antennas to anyone but the OEM typically).

 

Many manufacturers have adapters from one brand to another, and worst case
you could always get a remote mount kit and convert to waveguide (although
with a 2ft antenna your better buying a new antenna).  

 

Daniel White

Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

 

What other vendors use the same mount as Dragonwave?

 



 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 



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Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

[Chuck McCown]

I have one for Mimosa.  Not sure if they do 18 GHz yet or not.
I can do any converter you might need.  

From: Peter Kranz 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

What other vendors use the same mount as Dragonwave?

 



 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

[Bill Prince]

AFAIK, only Dragonwave. However, Trango makes an adapter that will allow 
their ODU to mate with a Dragonwave circular wave guide.



bp


On 6/28/2016 10:18 AM, Peter Kranz wrote:


What other vendors use the same mount as Dragonwave?

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[AFMUG] Dragonwave 18Ghz mount compatibility?

[Peter Kranz]

What other vendors use the same mount as Dragonwave?

 



 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Mike Hammett]

The EdgePoint is wasting my attention span. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:01:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans 


Yo be fair, you're pretty much wasting many of the capabilities of the 
edgepoint, but you can do it that way if you want, or use Mike's suggestion. 
On Jun 28, 2016 10:52 AM, "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong" Is there a better way? Or 
just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to try to 
troubleshoot any per port issues. 


On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 



I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans... 
On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP Space? 


On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need to 
bridge them. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans 


It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, it's 
nothing but broken-ness. 
You can still torch each vlan interface you know. 
On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 


I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model) The newest firmware 
allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode. I'm thinking of using 
this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the ability to view per 
port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for monitoring/troubleshooting purposes. 
My Plan was to put each port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port 
to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in the Mikrotik. This 
mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping 
each other, and it seems that I have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to 
the AP's. Is there a setting I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between 
Vlans, or is this a Edgepoint problem? Or does it not like that I'm bridging 
all these Vlans that are on the same Mikrotik interface. 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Adam Moffett]

Sounds like you're separating the traffic at L2 just to bring it back 
together.


If you want torch on each AP port, how about a mikrotik switch with PoE 
out?  Those existI think...


I have no experience with UBNT switches, but if it doesn't provide the 
tools you need for troubleshooting, then it's not what you want.


-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/28/2016 11:52:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a 
better way?  Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into 
that to try to troubleshoot any per port issues.


On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of 
vlans...


On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP 
Space?


On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No 
need to bridge them.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP





From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From 
experience, it's nothing but broken-ness.


You can still torch each vlan interface you know.

On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The 
newest firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch 
mode.  I'm thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but 
I'd like to keep the ability to view per port traffic in the 
mikrotik via Torch for monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My 
Plan was to put each port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a 
Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in 
the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each 
AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I have 
random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a 
setting I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or 
is this a Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm bridging 
all these Vlans that are on the same Mikrotik interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Chuck McCown]

Always a good idea to have a separate VLAN per AP routed to its own router port 
in my experience.  

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

I think what they are saying is if you are not currently setup for vlans per 
ap, then it probably doesn't make sense, just adds more complexity.  I see your 
point to separate traffic down to the Mikrotik so you can torch local traffic 
to AP. 

So you would have something like this  Mikrotik (Customer Bridge where DHCP 
server resides) bridged to vlan which is then tagged through to untagged port 
on R6?  This would allow you to monitor ap traffic on a per vlan basis on the 
MIkrotik. 

Now I feel confused LOL


 


Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

  Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a better way? 
 Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to try to 
troubleshoot any per port issues.


  On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...

On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

  Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP 
Space?


  On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No 
need to bridge them.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans


It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, 
it's nothing but broken-ness.

You can still torch each vlan interface you know.

On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

  I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest 
firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm 
thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the 
ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for 
monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the R6 on 
a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans 
together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each 
AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I have random packet 
loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting I'm missing that's 
blocking the traffic between Vlans, or is this a Edgepoint problem?  Or does it 
not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans that are on the same Mikrotik 
interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Josh Reynolds]

Yo be fair, you're pretty much wasting many of the capabilities of the
edgepoint, but you can do it that way if you want, or use Mike's suggestion.
On Jun 28, 2016 10:52 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a better
> way?  Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to
> try to troubleshoot any per port issues.
>
> On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...
> On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
>> Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP
>> Space?
>>
>> On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> *nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need
>> to bridge them.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds"  
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans
>>
>> It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience,
>> it's nothing but broken-ness.
>>
>> You can still torch each vlan interface you know.
>> On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest
>>> firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm
>>> thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the
>>> ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for
>>> monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the
>>> R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge
>>> the Vlans together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can
>>> talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I
>>> have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting
>>> I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or is this a
>>> Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans
>>> that are on the same Mikrotik interface.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Erich Kaiser]

I think what they are saying is if you are not currently setup for vlans
per ap, then it probably doesn't make sense, just adds more complexity.  I
see your point to separate traffic down to the Mikrotik so you can torch
local traffic to AP.

So you would have something like this  Mikrotik (Customer Bridge where DHCP
server resides) bridged to vlan which is then tagged through to untagged
port on R6?  This would allow you to monitor ap traffic on a per vlan basis
on the MIkrotik.

Now I feel confused LOL





Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a better
> way?  Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to
> try to troubleshoot any per port issues.
>
> On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...
> On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
>> Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP
>> Space?
>>
>> On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> *nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need
>> to bridge them.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds"  
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans
>>
>> It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience,
>> it's nothing but broken-ness.
>>
>> You can still torch each vlan interface you know.
>> On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest
>>> firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm
>>> thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the
>>> ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for
>>> monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the
>>> R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge
>>> the Vlans together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can
>>> talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I
>>> have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting
>>> I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or is this a
>>> Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans
>>> that are on the same Mikrotik interface.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Mike Hammett]

I have every radio on a routed interface. It has a static, RFC1918 address in a 
subnet unique to that interface. Any interface I setup a PPPoE server on 
assigns an address from a common prefix for that tower. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:48:36 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans 

Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP Space? 


On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need to 
bridge them. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans 


It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, it's 
nothing but broken-ness. 
You can still torch each vlan interface you know. 
On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 


I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model) The newest firmware 
allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode. I'm thinking of using 
this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the ability to view per 
port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for monitoring/troubleshooting purposes. 
My Plan was to put each port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port 
to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in the Mikrotik. This 
mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping 
each other, and it seems that I have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to 
the AP's. Is there a setting I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between 
Vlans, or is this a Edgepoint problem? Or does it not like that I'm bridging 
all these Vlans that are on the same Mikrotik interface. 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Nate Burke]

Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a better 
way?  Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to 
try to troubleshoot any per port issues.


On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...

On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" > wrote:


Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same
IP Space?

On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik.
No need to bridge them.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Josh Reynolds" 

*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From
experience, it's nothing but broken-ness.

You can still torch each vlan interface you know.

On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" > wrote:

I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model) 
The newest firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans

in switch mode.  I'm thinking of using this to power a
cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the ability to view per
port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for
monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each
port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the
mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in the
Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to
each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems
that I have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the
AP's.  Is there a setting I'm missing that's blocking the
traffic between Vlans, or is this a Edgepoint problem?  Or
does it not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans that are
on the same Mikrotik interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Josh Reynolds]

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...
On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP
> Space?
>
> On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> *nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need
> to bridge them.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans
>
> It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience,
> it's nothing but broken-ness.
>
> You can still torch each vlan interface you know.
> On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
>> I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest
>> firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm
>> thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the
>> ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for
>> monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the
>> R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge
>> the Vlans together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can
>> talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I
>> have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting
>> I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or is this a
>> Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans
>> that are on the same Mikrotik interface.
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Nate Burke]

Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP Space?

On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No 
need to bridge them.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, 
it's nothing but broken-ness.


You can still torch each vlan interface you know.

On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" > wrote:


I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The
newest firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in
switch mode.  I'm thinking of using this to power a cluster of
AP's, but I'd like to keep the ability to view per port traffic in
the mikrotik via Torch for monitoring/troubleshooting purposes. 
My Plan was to put each port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a

Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in
the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each
AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I have
random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a
setting I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or
is this a Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm
bridging all these Vlans that are on the same Mikrotik interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Mike Hammett]

*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need to 
bridge them. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans 


It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, it's 
nothing but broken-ness. 
You can still torch each vlan interface you know. 
On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 


I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model) The newest firmware 
allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode. I'm thinking of using 
this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the ability to view per 
port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for monitoring/troubleshooting purposes. 
My Plan was to put each port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port 
to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in the Mikrotik. This 
mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping 
each other, and it seems that I have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to 
the AP's. Is there a setting I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between 
Vlans, or is this a Edgepoint problem? Or does it not like that I'm bridging 
all these Vlans that are on the same Mikrotik interface. 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Josh Reynolds]

It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, it's
nothing but broken-ness.

You can still torch each vlan interface you know.
On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest
> firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm
> thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the
> ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for
> monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the
> R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge
> the Vlans together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can
> talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I
> have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting
> I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or is this a
> Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans
> that are on the same Mikrotik interface.
>

[AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Nate Burke]

I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest 
firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm 
thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep 
the ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for 
monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on 
the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just 
bridge the Vlans together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the 
Mikrotik can talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and 
it seems that I have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  
Is there a setting I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between 
Vlans, or is this a Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm 
bridging all these Vlans that are on the same Mikrotik interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

[Lewis Bergman]

Very good point Ken.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 8:40 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If you bill for the previous month, count on not getting the last month
> for at least half the customers who leave.  I’m talking about renters who
> move every 12 months, people who sell their house, etc.
>
> That does affect your bottom line.
>
> Also, if you turn someone off for nonpayment, and now they already owe you
> for last month plus part of this month, it can become tempting to just
> stiff you and find a new provider.  I know one ex customer that has gone
> through us plus 2 other local WISPs plus Rise Broadband twice.  I compare
> it to people who are under water on their mortgage, they are actually money
> ahead to walk away or get foreclosed.  You don’t want your customer to owe
> you so much money that it is in their economic best interest to switch
> providers and not pay you what they owe.
>
>
> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?
>
>
> In the end, it doesn’t matter if it is pre or post billing.  It may give
> you heartburn to see non-pays getting something for nothing for a month but
> in the grand scheme of things, it makes no difference because we have fixed
> monthly costs.  If they pay or not doesn’t affect our OPEX.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
>
> Owner
>
> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
>
> 979-985-5912
>
> j...@brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:15 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?
>
>
>
> Prebilling would be the preferred method I would think. We billed on the
> first and wanted to prebill. In the end, it probably didn't make a hug
> difference to the bottom line. I just liked the thought of limiting weekday
> someone got for nothing.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016, 4:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Exactly.
>
> And most communications services (phone, cable TV, etc.) are prepaid for
> monthly charges and postpaid for usage based charges.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Smith
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:41 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?
>
> If you do not "pre" bill for service, such as internet access,
> there is little to no chance of collection after the fact if
> they decide not to pay...   We pre-bill for the "next" month
> on the 20th, due by the 1st, suspend services on the 6th
> for CC, ACH, etc (auto payments) that fail, then suspend
> cash, check customers on the 10th.
>
> Our billing system handles this without issue (Freeside).
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
> On Mon June 27 2016 14:35, Christopher Gray wrote:
> > I've setup my billing so everything is expected to be paid before service
> > is provided (prepaid). I send invoices in advance of a service cycle and
> > they are due by the beginning of the service cycle. Early on, I convinced
> > myself this was a good idea so I would never have to deal with
> collections
> > and it seemed fair.
> >
> > I'm working on switching billing systems, and the new system does not
> > really operate that way. This has me wondering if my method is really a
> > good one, or if there are good reasons to bill at the start of a service
> > cycle. I've gone through my bills and others I have available to me, and
> > very few actually bill in advance of a service cycle.
> >
> > Is there a good reason to avoid prepaid service or that companies tend
> not
> > to do it?
> >
> > -Chris
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

[Ken Hohhof]

If you bill for the previous month, count on not getting the last month for at 
least half the customers who leave.  I’m talking about renters who move every 
12 months, people who sell their house, etc.

That does affect your bottom line.

Also, if you turn someone off for nonpayment, and now they already owe you for 
last month plus part of this month, it can become tempting to just stiff you 
and find a new provider.  I know one ex customer that has gone through us plus 
2 other local WISPs plus Rise Broadband twice.  I compare it to people who are 
under water on their mortgage, they are actually money ahead to walk away or 
get foreclosed.  You don’t want your customer to owe you so much money that it 
is in their economic best interest to switch providers and not pay you what 
they owe.


From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

In the end, it doesn’t matter if it is pre or post billing.  It may give you 
heartburn to see non-pays getting something for nothing for a month but in the 
grand scheme of things, it makes no difference because we have fixed monthly 
costs.  If they pay or not doesn’t affect our OPEX. 

 

Jim Bouse

Owner

Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi

979-985-5912

j...@brazoswifi.com 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

 

Prebilling would be the preferred method I would think. We billed on the first 
and wanted to prebill. In the end, it probably didn't make a hug difference to 
the bottom line. I just liked the thought of limiting weekday someone got for 
nothing. 

 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016, 4:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Exactly.

  And most communications services (phone, cable TV, etc.) are prepaid for
  monthly charges and postpaid for usage based charges.


  -Original Message-
  From: Larry Smith
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

  If you do not "pre" bill for service, such as internet access,
  there is little to no chance of collection after the fact if
  they decide not to pay...   We pre-bill for the "next" month
  on the 20th, due by the 1st, suspend services on the 6th
  for CC, ACH, etc (auto payments) that fail, then suspend
  cash, check customers on the 10th.

  Our billing system handles this without issue (Freeside).

  --
  Larry Smith
  lesm...@ecsis.net

  On Mon June 27 2016 14:35, Christopher Gray wrote:
  > I've setup my billing so everything is expected to be paid before service
  > is provided (prepaid). I send invoices in advance of a service cycle and
  > they are due by the beginning of the service cycle. Early on, I convinced
  > myself this was a good idea so I would never have to deal with collections
  > and it seemed fair.
  >
  > I'm working on switching billing systems, and the new system does not
  > really operate that way. This has me wondering if my method is really a
  > good one, or if there are good reasons to bill at the start of a service
  > cycle. I've gone through my bills and others I have available to me, and
  > very few actually bill in advance of a service cycle.
  >
  > Is there a good reason to avoid prepaid service or that companies tend not
  > to do it?
  >
  > -Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

[Josh Luthman]

Preach, Lewis!  There are people that will simply wait until they're
disconnected before paying.  We do a $5 late fee, which I feel is on the
low end as well.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I will tell you what does make a big difference is late fees. We made an
> additional ~$2K per month off late fees. They paid late with the fee and I
> was happy for them to do it. That was based off a $5 late fee which when
> compared to the average, which I think responses indicated to be about $7,
> were pretty lenient. If I had it to do over I would have charged $7.50 I
> think. think of it like a payday loan. These idiots are mare than happy to
> pay you just a few days late and pay extra. The funny thing is that it
> doesn't matter if it is the 1st, 15th, 20th, or whatever. They always pay
> late.
> I just figured there was no reason that the good paying customers should
> be carrying the bad payers.
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:23 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
>> In the end, it doesn’t matter if it is pre or post billing.  It may give
>> you heartburn to see non-pays getting something for nothing for a month but
>> in the grand scheme of things, it makes no difference because we have fixed
>> monthly costs.  If they pay or not doesn’t affect our OPEX.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>>
>> Owner
>>
>> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
>>
>> 979-985-5912
>>
>> j...@brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:15 AM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?
>>
>>
>>
>> Prebilling would be the preferred method I would think. We billed on the
>> first and wanted to prebill. In the end, it probably didn't make a hug
>> difference to the bottom line. I just liked the thought of limiting weekday
>> someone got for nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016, 4:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> And most communications services (phone, cable TV, etc.) are prepaid for
>> monthly charges and postpaid for usage based charges.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Larry Smith
>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:41 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?
>>
>> If you do not "pre" bill for service, such as internet access,
>> there is little to no chance of collection after the fact if
>> they decide not to pay...   We pre-bill for the "next" month
>> on the 20th, due by the 1st, suspend services on the 6th
>> for CC, ACH, etc (auto payments) that fail, then suspend
>> cash, check customers on the 10th.
>>
>> Our billing system handles this without issue (Freeside).
>>
>> --
>> Larry Smith
>> lesm...@ecsis.net
>>
>> On Mon June 27 2016 14:35, Christopher Gray wrote:
>> > I've setup my billing so everything is expected to be paid before
>> service
>> > is provided (prepaid). I send invoices in advance of a service cycle and
>> > they are due by the beginning of the service cycle. Early on, I
>> convinced
>> > myself this was a good idea so I would never have to deal with
>> collections
>> > and it seemed fair.
>> >
>> > I'm working on switching billing systems, and the new system does not
>> > really operate that way. This has me wondering if my method is really a
>> > good one, or if there are good reasons to bill at the start of a service
>> > cycle. I've gone through my bills and others I have available to me, and
>> > very few actually bill in advance of a service cycle.
>> >
>> > Is there a good reason to avoid prepaid service or that companies tend
>> not
>> > to do it?
>> >
>> > -Chris
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

[Lewis Bergman]

I will tell you what does make a big difference is late fees. We made an
additional ~$2K per month off late fees. They paid late with the fee and I
was happy for them to do it. That was based off a $5 late fee which when
compared to the average, which I think responses indicated to be about $7,
were pretty lenient. If I had it to do over I would have charged $7.50 I
think. think of it like a payday loan. These idiots are mare than happy to
pay you just a few days late and pay extra. The funny thing is that it
doesn't matter if it is the 1st, 15th, 20th, or whatever. They always pay
late.
I just figured there was no reason that the good paying customers should be
carrying the bad payers.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:23 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> In the end, it doesn’t matter if it is pre or post billing.  It may give
> you heartburn to see non-pays getting something for nothing for a month but
> in the grand scheme of things, it makes no difference because we have fixed
> monthly costs.  If they pay or not doesn’t affect our OPEX.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
>
> Owner
>
> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
>
> 979-985-5912
>
> j...@brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:15 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?
>
>
>
> Prebilling would be the preferred method I would think. We billed on the
> first and wanted to prebill. In the end, it probably didn't make a hug
> difference to the bottom line. I just liked the thought of limiting weekday
> someone got for nothing.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016, 4:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Exactly.
>
> And most communications services (phone, cable TV, etc.) are prepaid for
> monthly charges and postpaid for usage based charges.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Smith
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:41 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?
>
> If you do not "pre" bill for service, such as internet access,
> there is little to no chance of collection after the fact if
> they decide not to pay...   We pre-bill for the "next" month
> on the 20th, due by the 1st, suspend services on the 6th
> for CC, ACH, etc (auto payments) that fail, then suspend
> cash, check customers on the 10th.
>
> Our billing system handles this without issue (Freeside).
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
> On Mon June 27 2016 14:35, Christopher Gray wrote:
> > I've setup my billing so everything is expected to be paid before service
> > is provided (prepaid). I send invoices in advance of a service cycle and
> > they are due by the beginning of the service cycle. Early on, I convinced
> > myself this was a good idea so I would never have to deal with
> collections
> > and it seemed fair.
> >
> > I'm working on switching billing systems, and the new system does not
> > really operate that way. This has me wondering if my method is really a
> > good one, or if there are good reasons to bill at the start of a service
> > cycle. I've gone through my bills and others I have available to me, and
> > very few actually bill in advance of a service cycle.
> >
> > Is there a good reason to avoid prepaid service or that companies tend
> not
> > to do it?
> >
> > -Chris
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

In the end, it doesn’t matter if it is pre or post billing.  It may give you 
heartburn to see non-pays getting something for nothing for a month but in the 
grand scheme of things, it makes no difference because we have fixed monthly 
costs.  If they pay or not doesn’t affect our OPEX.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?


Prebilling would be the preferred method I would think. We billed on the first 
and wanted to prebill. In the end, it probably didn't make a hug difference to 
the bottom line. I just liked the thought of limiting weekday someone got for 
nothing.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016, 4:50 PM Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
Exactly.

And most communications services (phone, cable TV, etc.) are prepaid for
monthly charges and postpaid for usage based charges.


-Original Message-
From: Larry Smith
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

If you do not "pre" bill for service, such as internet access,
there is little to no chance of collection after the fact if
they decide not to pay...   We pre-bill for the "next" month
on the 20th, due by the 1st, suspend services on the 6th
for CC, ACH, etc (auto payments) that fail, then suspend
cash, check customers on the 10th.

Our billing system handles this without issue (Freeside).

--
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

On Mon June 27 2016 14:35, Christopher Gray wrote:
> I've setup my billing so everything is expected to be paid before service
> is provided (prepaid). I send invoices in advance of a service cycle and
> they are due by the beginning of the service cycle. Early on, I convinced
> myself this was a good idea so I would never have to deal with collections
> and it seemed fair.
>
> I'm working on switching billing systems, and the new system does not
> really operate that way. This has me wondering if my method is really a
> good one, or if there are good reasons to bill at the start of a service
> cycle. I've gone through my bills and others I have available to me, and
> very few actually bill in advance of a service cycle.
>
> Is there a good reason to avoid prepaid service or that companies tend not
> to do it?
>
> -Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

[Lewis Bergman]

Prebilling would be the preferred method I would think. We billed on the
first and wanted to prebill. In the end, it probably didn't make a hug
difference to the bottom line. I just liked the thought of limiting weekday
someone got for nothing.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016, 4:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Exactly.
>
> And most communications services (phone, cable TV, etc.) are prepaid for
> monthly charges and postpaid for usage based charges.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Smith
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:41 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?
>
> If you do not "pre" bill for service, such as internet access,
> there is little to no chance of collection after the fact if
> they decide not to pay...   We pre-bill for the "next" month
> on the 20th, due by the 1st, suspend services on the 6th
> for CC, ACH, etc (auto payments) that fail, then suspend
> cash, check customers on the 10th.
>
> Our billing system handles this without issue (Freeside).
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
> On Mon June 27 2016 14:35, Christopher Gray wrote:
> > I've setup my billing so everything is expected to be paid before service
> > is provided (prepaid). I send invoices in advance of a service cycle and
> > they are due by the beginning of the service cycle. Early on, I convinced
> > myself this was a good idea so I would never have to deal with
> collections
> > and it seemed fair.
> >
> > I'm working on switching billing systems, and the new system does not
> > really operate that way. This has me wondering if my method is really a
> > good one, or if there are good reasons to bill at the start of a service
> > cycle. I've gone through my bills and others I have available to me, and
> > very few actually bill in advance of a service cycle.
> >
> > Is there a good reason to avoid prepaid service or that companies tend
> not
> > to do it?
> >
> > -Chris
>
>
>