Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Post

[Jaime Solorza]

Happy Birthday

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 12, 2018 10:54 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> 8 minutes and im 40
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:09 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> Steve, I am touched by your concern...I have had three and with picadillo
>> burritos my wife made...at home ...safe not driving ...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2018 9:55 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not Catholic, and I don't fast.  I'll check out the movie.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:42 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I need more Tecate to decipher that...

 Jaime Solorza

 On Jan 12, 2018 9:36 PM, "Steve Jones" 
 wrote:

> true.. and I will watch it.. but given the irreversability of the
> interweb, and how fast a mouseclick goes global, the alcohol availability
> makes a lent request very much reasonable for people who rely on third
> parties to do their job for them.
>
> btw, while movies are a topic. IT, this is a fucking disgrace ... just
> sayin
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Based on what actually happened when Lewis, Chuck, and I were a bit
>> younger.  It's part of our history.
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2018 7:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Come on Steve, it's just a movie.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Please, for the love of god.. lent right now

 On Jan 12, 2018 7:28 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

> An excellent film with an important message.


>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Post

[Steve Jones]

8 minutes and im 40

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:09 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Steve, I am touched by your concern...I have had three and with picadillo
> burritos my wife made...at home ...safe not driving ...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jan 12, 2018 9:55 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
>> I'm not Catholic, and I don't fast.  I'll check out the movie.  Thanks.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:42 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> I need more Tecate to decipher that...
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2018 9:36 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 true.. and I will watch it.. but given the irreversability of the
 interweb, and how fast a mouseclick goes global, the alcohol availability
 makes a lent request very much reasonable for people who rely on third
 parties to do their job for them.

 btw, while movies are a topic. IT, this is a fucking disgrace ... just
 sayin

 On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Based on what actually happened when Lewis, Chuck, and I were a bit
> younger.  It's part of our history.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jan 12, 2018 7:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:
>
>> Come on Steve, it's just a movie.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please, for the love of god.. lent right now
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2018 7:28 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 An excellent film with an important message.
>>>
>>>

>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Post

[Jaime Solorza]

Steve, I am touched by your concern...I have had three and with picadillo
burritos my wife made...at home ...safe not driving ...

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 12, 2018 9:55 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> I'm not Catholic, and I don't fast.  I'll check out the movie.  Thanks.
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:42 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I need more Tecate to decipher that...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2018 9:36 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> true.. and I will watch it.. but given the irreversability of the
>>> interweb, and how fast a mouseclick goes global, the alcohol availability
>>> makes a lent request very much reasonable for people who rely on third
>>> parties to do their job for them.
>>>
>>> btw, while movies are a topic. IT, this is a fucking disgrace ... just
>>> sayin
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Based on what actually happened when Lewis, Chuck, and I were a bit
 younger.  It's part of our history.


 Jaime Solorza

 On Jan 12, 2018 7:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

> Come on Steve, it's just a movie.
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Please, for the love of god.. lent right now
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2018 7:28 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> An excellent film with an important message.
>>
>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Post

[Jeremy]

I'm not Catholic, and I don't fast.  I'll check out the movie.  Thanks.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:42 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I need more Tecate to decipher that...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jan 12, 2018 9:36 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> true.. and I will watch it.. but given the irreversability of the
>> interweb, and how fast a mouseclick goes global, the alcohol availability
>> makes a lent request very much reasonable for people who rely on third
>> parties to do their job for them.
>>
>> btw, while movies are a topic. IT, this is a fucking disgrace ... just
>> sayin
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Based on what actually happened when Lewis, Chuck, and I were a bit
>>> younger.  It's part of our history.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2018 7:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Come on Steve, it's just a movie.

 On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> Please, for the love of god.. lent right now
>
> On Jan 12, 2018 7:28 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:
>
>> An excellent film with an important message.
>
>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Post

[George Skorup]

A movie about a juggalo IT guy? Didn't see it. Don't want to.

On 1/12/2018 10:36 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
true.. and I will watch it.. but given the irreversability of the 
interweb, and how fast a mouseclick goes global, the alcohol 
availability makes a lent request very much reasonable for people who 
rely on third parties to do their job for them.


btw, while movies are a topic. IT, this is a fucking disgrace ... just 
sayin


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:


Based on what actually happened when Lewis, Chuck, and I were a
bit younger.  It's part of our history.


Jaime Solorza

On Jan 12, 2018 7:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:

Come on Steve, it's just a movie.


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones
>
wrote:

Please, for the love of god.. lent right now

On Jan 12, 2018 7:28 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
>
wrote:

An excellent film with an important message. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Post

[Jaime Solorza]

Here...try this instead, a bit more innocuous  guvment as you so
elegantly phrase it has denied existence of UFO or the study of them since
Foo Fighters and Roswell...and now we have Navy pilot videos on of flying
Tic Tac which physic defying abilitiesand admission of several years of
studieshow much more do they keep from us? Just sayin

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 12, 2018 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> I need more Tecate to decipher that...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jan 12, 2018 9:36 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> true.. and I will watch it.. but given the irreversability of the
>> interweb, and how fast a mouseclick goes global, the alcohol availability
>> makes a lent request very much reasonable for people who rely on third
>> parties to do their job for them.
>>
>> btw, while movies are a topic. IT, this is a fucking disgrace ... just
>> sayin
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Based on what actually happened when Lewis, Chuck, and I were a bit
>>> younger.  It's part of our history.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2018 7:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Come on Steve, it's just a movie.

 On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> Please, for the love of god.. lent right now
>
> On Jan 12, 2018 7:28 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:
>
>> An excellent film with an important message.
>
>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Post

[Steve Jones]

all ive heard from you today "I need more tecate".. Jaime.. do you need to
be on that tv show intervention?


on that note, how much wireless gear could we get in the background if we
got you on that show? I bet we could get a ton of free gear for that

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I need more Tecate to decipher that...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jan 12, 2018 9:36 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> true.. and I will watch it.. but given the irreversability of the
>> interweb, and how fast a mouseclick goes global, the alcohol availability
>> makes a lent request very much reasonable for people who rely on third
>> parties to do their job for them.
>>
>> btw, while movies are a topic. IT, this is a fucking disgrace ... just
>> sayin
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Based on what actually happened when Lewis, Chuck, and I were a bit
>>> younger.  It's part of our history.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2018 7:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Come on Steve, it's just a movie.

 On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> Please, for the love of god.. lent right now
>
> On Jan 12, 2018 7:28 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:
>
>> An excellent film with an important message.
>
>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Post

[Jaime Solorza]

I need more Tecate to decipher that...

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 12, 2018 9:36 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> true.. and I will watch it.. but given the irreversability of the
> interweb, and how fast a mouseclick goes global, the alcohol availability
> makes a lent request very much reasonable for people who rely on third
> parties to do their job for them.
>
> btw, while movies are a topic. IT, this is a fucking disgrace ... just
> sayin
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> Based on what actually happened when Lewis, Chuck, and I were a bit
>> younger.  It's part of our history.
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2018 7:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> Come on Steve, it's just a movie.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Please, for the love of god.. lent right now

 On Jan 12, 2018 7:28 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

> An excellent film with an important message.


>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Post

[Steve Jones]

true.. and I will watch it.. but given the irreversability of the interweb,
and how fast a mouseclick goes global, the alcohol availability makes a
lent request very much reasonable for people who rely on third parties to
do their job for them.

btw, while movies are a topic. IT, this is a fucking disgrace ... just sayin

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Based on what actually happened when Lewis, Chuck, and I were a bit
> younger.  It's part of our history.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jan 12, 2018 7:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> Come on Steve, it's just a movie.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please, for the love of god.. lent right now
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2018 7:28 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 An excellent film with an important message.
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Post

[Jaime Solorza]

Based on what actually happened when Lewis, Chuck, and I were a bit
younger.  It's part of our history.


Jaime Solorza

On Jan 12, 2018 7:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Come on Steve, it's just a movie.
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Please, for the love of god.. lent right now
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2018 7:28 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> An excellent film with an important message.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Post

[Lewis Bergman]

Come on Steve, it's just a movie.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Please, for the love of god.. lent right now
>
> On Jan 12, 2018 7:28 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> An excellent film with an important message.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Post

[Steve Jones]

Please, for the love of god.. lent right now

On Jan 12, 2018 7:28 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> An excellent film with an important message.

[AFMUG] OT: The Post

[Lewis Bergman]

An excellent film with an important message.

Re: [AFMUG] LACP or what for non symetric throughput

[Steve Jones]

im not being argumentative btw, im outside my scope, just showing my data
sources. I honestly dont know what to do here.


If a contractor here wants to offer some services, i have that budget as
well. Im not certain our usual contractor will give me what i need... and
butch doesnt answer my emails

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 5:01 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=110400
>
> If Im reading the mikrotik guy (MRZ) response correctly. mikrotik will
> balance a single stream across multiple ports
>
> I put my comprehension at a 10% reliability, so
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> You will have the same limitation using LACP.
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 5:00 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> that will limit single stream to single port speed, will it not? So I
>> would end up saturating one link while not using the other if a single
>> stream were to get heavy?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't try to do it at L2. Build it as router-to-router OSPF+BGP
>>> adjacency across the two separate Integra links.
>>>
>>> Build it as two OSPF /30 links and use OSPF cost to adjust traffic
>>> accordingly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So we will be doing this integra 2+0 link. We got dinged by sprint
 though on the PCN. so we have to drop one sides power on one channel since
 this path has no other channels. This drops that one chain to 256qam (for
 reliability) from 1024 so 643-514mbps. This model 2+0 the radios dont
 communicate so its really just 2 separate links handled externally

 so I go from (643+643) / (643+643) to (514+643) / (643+643)

 Is there any way with LACP to account for this single path that will be
 lower than the other two?

 There is nothing that fully ties me to LACP. I have the option of HP
 procurve switches or Mikrotik CCR routers to handle the aggregation.

 As best I can tell LACP doesnt have any granular throughput definition,
 just splits traffic across all interfaces (last i read, routeros and the hp
 OS both allow full aggregate speed instead of single streams being limited
 to individual port throughput)

 In my case with 1.2gbps i still have an 800mbpsish overflow issue. so
 If there is an aggregation thats semi dynamic and granular to actual link
 capacity, that would tickle my goat

 any advice from the sages?

 Id like to keep my switch/routers solution to under 1k per side, much
 less if possible. I already have HP 1810g-24 that i believe will handle
 this, so theyre effectively free

>>>
>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] OT: Public Broadband

[Jason McKemie]

How many different ways can we call BS on this article?

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/d345pv/harvard-study-shows-why-big-telecom-is-terrified-of-community-run-broadband

I love how they compare pricing without taking into consideration the
ancillary costs to publicly-run networks.

What is it with tech sites' hard-on for bashing ISPs?

Re: [AFMUG] LACP or what for non symetric throughput

[Steve Jones]

https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=110400

If Im reading the mikrotik guy (MRZ) response correctly. mikrotik will
balance a single stream across multiple ports

I put my comprehension at a 10% reliability, so

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> You will have the same limitation using LACP.
>
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 5:00 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> that will limit single stream to single port speed, will it not? So I
> would end up saturating one link while not using the other if a single
> stream were to get heavy?
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> Don't try to do it at L2. Build it as router-to-router OSPF+BGP adjacency
>> across the two separate Integra links.
>>
>> Build it as two OSPF /30 links and use OSPF cost to adjust traffic
>> accordingly.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So we will be doing this integra 2+0 link. We got dinged by sprint
>>> though on the PCN. so we have to drop one sides power on one channel since
>>> this path has no other channels. This drops that one chain to 256qam (for
>>> reliability) from 1024 so 643-514mbps. This model 2+0 the radios dont
>>> communicate so its really just 2 separate links handled externally
>>>
>>> so I go from (643+643) / (643+643) to (514+643) / (643+643)
>>>
>>> Is there any way with LACP to account for this single path that will be
>>> lower than the other two?
>>>
>>> There is nothing that fully ties me to LACP. I have the option of HP
>>> procurve switches or Mikrotik CCR routers to handle the aggregation.
>>>
>>> As best I can tell LACP doesnt have any granular throughput definition,
>>> just splits traffic across all interfaces (last i read, routeros and the hp
>>> OS both allow full aggregate speed instead of single streams being limited
>>> to individual port throughput)
>>>
>>> In my case with 1.2gbps i still have an 800mbpsish overflow issue. so If
>>> there is an aggregation thats semi dynamic and granular to actual link
>>> capacity, that would tickle my goat
>>>
>>> any advice from the sages?
>>>
>>> Id like to keep my switch/routers solution to under 1k per side, much
>>> less if possible. I already have HP 1810g-24 that i believe will handle
>>> this, so theyre effectively free
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.

[Adam Moffett]

That's not strictly necessary.  Even HP traffic beyond the HP CIR gets 
higher than standard priority.

.but I do it the same way you do it.


-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/12/2018 3:24:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.

You also should set the amount of traffic you want to dedicate to the 
high priority channel. We typically use 130 Kbps, which will run most 
VoIP traffic.



bp


On 1/12/2018 12:21 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

It is equally simple.

Click Configuration -> QoS
Enable the Hi Priority Channel.  Done.

If you leave everything else alone, then you've just done the same 
thing as enabling VoIP Priority on ePMP.  You *can* do more stuff, but 
maybe you don't need to.


I can't remember, but you might have to do it on the AP and SM.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jerry Head" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/12/2018 2:38:31 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.


I would like to prioritize VOIP on a 450i customer.
Don't really know how to do that.
On ePMP it is just 3 clicks, does not look that simple
on the 450.
Help please?

Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

[Jay Weekley]

From how high?

Paul McCall wrote:


Meaning can you drop them and they survive?

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, January 11, 2018 6:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

I guess it depends on what you mean by abuse.

I still have my two that I got in their original Indiegogo funding 
campaign, but I don't use them constantly.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Paul McCall" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, January 11, 2018 5:02:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

Am looking at that.  How rugged are they?  Will they hold up to a bit 
of abuse in the field?


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

Pockethernet is close to that.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Paul McCall" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:16:37 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

Looking to re-outfit my techs. I set $ 150 as a somewhat arbitrary 
budget for each.


Any favorites or ones to avoid?

Paul


 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



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Re: [AFMUG] LACP or what for non symetric throughput

[Josh Baird]

You will have the same limitation using LACP.

> On Jan 12, 2018, at 5:00 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> that will limit single stream to single port speed, will it not? So I would 
> end up saturating one link while not using the other if a single stream were 
> to get heavy?
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>> Don't try to do it at L2. Build it as router-to-router OSPF+BGP adjacency 
>> across the two separate Integra links.
>> 
>> Build it as two OSPF /30 links and use OSPF cost to adjust traffic 
>> accordingly. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Steve Jones  
>>> wrote:
>>> So we will be doing this integra 2+0 link. We got dinged by sprint though 
>>> on the PCN. so we have to drop one sides power on one channel since this 
>>> path has no other channels. This drops that one chain to 256qam (for 
>>> reliability) from 1024 so 643-514mbps. This model 2+0 the radios dont 
>>> communicate so its really just 2 separate links handled externally
>>> 
>>> so I go from (643+643) / (643+643) to (514+643) / (643+643)
>>> 
>>> Is there any way with LACP to account for this single path that will be 
>>> lower than the other two?
>>> 
>>> There is nothing that fully ties me to LACP. I have the option of HP 
>>> procurve switches or Mikrotik CCR routers to handle the aggregation. 
>>> 
>>> As best I can tell LACP doesnt have any granular throughput definition, 
>>> just splits traffic across all interfaces (last i read, routeros and the hp 
>>> OS both allow full aggregate speed instead of single streams being limited 
>>> to individual port throughput)
>>> 
>>> In my case with 1.2gbps i still have an 800mbpsish overflow issue. so If 
>>> there is an aggregation thats semi dynamic and granular to actual link 
>>> capacity, that would tickle my goat
>>> 
>>> any advice from the sages?
>>> 
>>> Id like to keep my switch/routers solution to under 1k per side, much less 
>>> if possible. I already have HP 1810g-24 that i believe will handle this, so 
>>> theyre effectively free
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] LACP or what for non symetric throughput

[Steve Jones]

that will limit single stream to single port speed, will it not? So I would
end up saturating one link while not using the other if a single stream
were to get heavy?

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Don't try to do it at L2. Build it as router-to-router OSPF+BGP adjacency
> across the two separate Integra links.
>
> Build it as two OSPF /30 links and use OSPF cost to adjust traffic
> accordingly.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> So we will be doing this integra 2+0 link. We got dinged by sprint though
>> on the PCN. so we have to drop one sides power on one channel since this
>> path has no other channels. This drops that one chain to 256qam (for
>> reliability) from 1024 so 643-514mbps. This model 2+0 the radios dont
>> communicate so its really just 2 separate links handled externally
>>
>> so I go from (643+643) / (643+643) to (514+643) / (643+643)
>>
>> Is there any way with LACP to account for this single path that will be
>> lower than the other two?
>>
>> There is nothing that fully ties me to LACP. I have the option of HP
>> procurve switches or Mikrotik CCR routers to handle the aggregation.
>>
>> As best I can tell LACP doesnt have any granular throughput definition,
>> just splits traffic across all interfaces (last i read, routeros and the hp
>> OS both allow full aggregate speed instead of single streams being limited
>> to individual port throughput)
>>
>> In my case with 1.2gbps i still have an 800mbpsish overflow issue. so If
>> there is an aggregation thats semi dynamic and granular to actual link
>> capacity, that would tickle my goat
>>
>> any advice from the sages?
>>
>> Id like to keep my switch/routers solution to under 1k per side, much
>> less if possible. I already have HP 1810g-24 that i believe will handle
>> this, so theyre effectively free
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Lacp/lag Netonix to edgeswitch

[TJ Trout]

Hello ,

Anyone with a working configuration of lacp or lag between a matonix and
edgeswitch that could send over a screenshot of the configuration of each
device if you have it working?

Having a little bit of trouble and would like a starting point before I go
back to the lab.

Thanks

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] LACP or what for non symetric throughput

[Eric Kuhnke]

Don't try to do it at L2. Build it as router-to-router OSPF+BGP adjacency
across the two separate Integra links.

Build it as two OSPF /30 links and use OSPF cost to adjust traffic
accordingly.



On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> So we will be doing this integra 2+0 link. We got dinged by sprint though
> on the PCN. so we have to drop one sides power on one channel since this
> path has no other channels. This drops that one chain to 256qam (for
> reliability) from 1024 so 643-514mbps. This model 2+0 the radios dont
> communicate so its really just 2 separate links handled externally
>
> so I go from (643+643) / (643+643) to (514+643) / (643+643)
>
> Is there any way with LACP to account for this single path that will be
> lower than the other two?
>
> There is nothing that fully ties me to LACP. I have the option of HP
> procurve switches or Mikrotik CCR routers to handle the aggregation.
>
> As best I can tell LACP doesnt have any granular throughput definition,
> just splits traffic across all interfaces (last i read, routeros and the hp
> OS both allow full aggregate speed instead of single streams being limited
> to individual port throughput)
>
> In my case with 1.2gbps i still have an 800mbpsish overflow issue. so If
> there is an aggregation thats semi dynamic and granular to actual link
> capacity, that would tickle my goat
>
> any advice from the sages?
>
> Id like to keep my switch/routers solution to under 1k per side, much less
> if possible. I already have HP 1810g-24 that i believe will handle this, so
> theyre effectively free
>

[AFMUG] LACP or what for non symetric throughput

[Steve Jones]

So we will be doing this integra 2+0 link. We got dinged by sprint though
on the PCN. so we have to drop one sides power on one channel since this
path has no other channels. This drops that one chain to 256qam (for
reliability) from 1024 so 643-514mbps. This model 2+0 the radios dont
communicate so its really just 2 separate links handled externally

so I go from (643+643) / (643+643) to (514+643) / (643+643)

Is there any way with LACP to account for this single path that will be
lower than the other two?

There is nothing that fully ties me to LACP. I have the option of HP
procurve switches or Mikrotik CCR routers to handle the aggregation.

As best I can tell LACP doesnt have any granular throughput definition,
just splits traffic across all interfaces (last i read, routeros and the hp
OS both allow full aggregate speed instead of single streams being limited
to individual port throughput)

In my case with 1.2gbps i still have an 800mbpsish overflow issue. so If
there is an aggregation thats semi dynamic and granular to actual link
capacity, that would tickle my goat

any advice from the sages?

Id like to keep my switch/routers solution to under 1k per side, much less
if possible. I already have HP 1810g-24 that i believe will handle this, so
theyre effectively free

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for NewEquipment

[Jaime Solorza]

Damn...I need to start drinking early today...my brain just can't process
this...Tecate  Where's my wallet?  Back in a few

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 12, 2018 2:20 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> yeah but finding the infants to feed to them gets kind of hairy. sure
> theyre small, but people tend to get all uppity when infants go missing.
> Sure they only eat the souls, but its so hard to extract an infants soul in
> the field
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:44 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Unicorns eat very little...
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
>>
>>> Can just get the ring.too expensive to feed the unicorn lol
>>>
>>> On 1/12/2018 12:19 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> its like a hatchimal . you pull the key and it vibrate and wiggles, you
>>> can speed it up by petting it and talking to it. it eventually hatches a
>>> unicorn. said unicorn farts a brand new radio that does 4096qam and only
>>> needs 3db cinr
>>>
>>> Also comes with a decoder ring
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:45 AM,  wrote:
>>>
 What does it do?

 *From:* Colin Stanners
 *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 10:42 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for
 NewEquipment

 PTP550


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: FCC ID Alert 
 Date: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:30 AM
 Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
 To: cstann...@gmail.com


 A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc.
 for New Equipment.
 See FCC ID Z8H89FT0038
 
 Equipment Authorized: PTP550 Fixed Transceiver


>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for NewEquipment

[Mathew Howard]

True, true...

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 3:20 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> yeah but finding the infants to feed to them gets kind of hairy. sure
> theyre small, but people tend to get all uppity when infants go missing.
> Sure they only eat the souls, but its so hard to extract an infants soul in
> the field
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:44 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Unicorns eat very little...
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
>>
>>> Can just get the ring.too expensive to feed the unicorn lol
>>>
>>> On 1/12/2018 12:19 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> its like a hatchimal . you pull the key and it vibrate and wiggles, you
>>> can speed it up by petting it and talking to it. it eventually hatches a
>>> unicorn. said unicorn farts a brand new radio that does 4096qam and only
>>> needs 3db cinr
>>>
>>> Also comes with a decoder ring
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:45 AM,  wrote:
>>>
 What does it do?

 *From:* Colin Stanners
 *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 10:42 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for
 NewEquipment

 PTP550


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: FCC ID Alert 
 Date: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:30 AM
 Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
 To: cstann...@gmail.com


 A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc.
 for New Equipment.
 See FCC ID Z8H89FT0038
 
 Equipment Authorized: PTP550 Fixed Transceiver


>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for NewEquipment

[Steve Jones]

yeah but finding the infants to feed to them gets kind of hairy. sure
theyre small, but people tend to get all uppity when infants go missing.
Sure they only eat the souls, but its so hard to extract an infants soul in
the field


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:44 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Unicorns eat very little...
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
>
>> Can just get the ring.too expensive to feed the unicorn lol
>>
>> On 1/12/2018 12:19 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> its like a hatchimal . you pull the key and it vibrate and wiggles, you
>> can speed it up by petting it and talking to it. it eventually hatches a
>> unicorn. said unicorn farts a brand new radio that does 4096qam and only
>> needs 3db cinr
>>
>> Also comes with a decoder ring
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:45 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> What does it do?
>>>
>>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 10:42 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for
>>> NewEquipment
>>>
>>> PTP550
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: FCC ID Alert 
>>> Date: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:30 AM
>>> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
>>> To: cstann...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for
>>> New Equipment.
>>> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0038
>>> 
>>> Equipment Authorized: PTP550 Fixed Transceiver
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for NewEquipment

[Mathew Howard]

Unicorns eat very little...

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:

> Can just get the ring.too expensive to feed the unicorn lol
>
> On 1/12/2018 12:19 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> its like a hatchimal . you pull the key and it vibrate and wiggles, you
> can speed it up by petting it and talking to it. it eventually hatches a
> unicorn. said unicorn farts a brand new radio that does 4096qam and only
> needs 3db cinr
>
> Also comes with a decoder ring
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:45 AM,  wrote:
>
>> What does it do?
>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 10:42 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for
>> NewEquipment
>>
>> PTP550
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: FCC ID Alert 
>> Date: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:30 AM
>> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
>> To: cstann...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for
>> New Equipment.
>> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0038
>> 
>> Equipment Authorized: PTP550 Fixed Transceiver
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.

[Bill Prince]

You also should set the amount of traffic you want to dedicate to the 
high priority channel. We typically use 130 Kbps, which will run most 
VoIP traffic.



bp


On 1/12/2018 12:21 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

It is equally simple.

Click Configuration -> QoS
Enable the Hi Priority Channel.  Done.

If you leave everything else alone, then you've just done the same 
thing as enabling VoIP Priority on ePMP.  You *can* do more stuff, but 
maybe you don't need to.


I can't remember, but you might have to do it on the AP and SM.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jerry Head" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/12/2018 2:38:31 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.


I would like to prioritize VOIP on a 450i customer.
Don't really know how to do that.
On ePMP it is just 3 clicks, does not look that simple
on the 450.
Help please?

Re: [AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.

[Adam Moffett]

It is equally simple.

Click Configuration -> QoS
Enable the Hi Priority Channel.  Done.

If you leave everything else alone, then you've just done the same thing 
as enabling VoIP Priority on ePMP.  You *can* do more stuff, but maybe 
you don't need to.


I can't remember, but you might have to do it on the AP and SM.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jerry Head" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/12/2018 2:38:31 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.


I would like to prioritize VOIP on a 450i customer.
Don't really know how to do that.
On ePMP it is just 3 clicks, does not look that simple
on the 450.
Help please?

Re: [AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I am pretty certain that prioritizing VoIP is making sure a certain dscp value 
is set a certain way I am also pretty certain that the radios come that way by 
default so it should already be done by default Out of the box someone correct 
me if I am wrong

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jerry Head" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.
Date: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 1:38 PM

I would like to prioritize VOIP on a 450i customer.
Don't really know how to do that.
On ePMP it is just 3 clicks, does not look that simple
on the 450.
Help please?

[AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.

[Jerry Head]

I would like to prioritize VOIP on a 450i customer.
Don't really know how to do that.
On ePMP it is just 3 clicks, does not look that simple
on the 450.
Help please?

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

[Cassidy B. Larson]

The Sonar portal instance stores individual accounts in Sonar. Under 
General->Contacts->drop down (Portal Credentials).
The Sonar portal doesn’t store anything locally, just like Platypus.  I’m not 
sure why this is an issue for you now as it is the same for Platypus.  Sonar 
portal connects back via API to your Sonar instance. You just run a VM with 
their code (which is more secure than the platypus one), which has a handy 
dandy installer and you’re done.  The platypus web portal was MUCH harder to 
setup than Sonar’s.

We went through the migration as well early last year and elected to have 
people re-create their accounts the first time they paid their bill or tried to 
login. They’d get an email to the email address on file in Sonar and they got 
in. Easy peasy.  This was so we didn’t keep insecure passwords that were stored 
in plain text in Platypus. Sure it sucked the first month, but it’s more secure 
and they get much better experience via the Sonar portal than they ever did via 
Platypus one. If you want to set all their credentials to the same as it was 
with Plat, I guess you could do that as well. We just put a banner on the 
portal the first few months saying “hey, we switched billing systems, click the 
button below and we’ll email you a new portal credentials login request”.

We did a lot of our data export from Plat and import into Sonar ourselves with 
help from Sonar (Simon) on the import.  It took a bunch of go’s to make sure it 
worked right and we got everything we needed. We kept working through what we 
needed to get of Plat and getting it validated into Sonar until it was more or 
less ready to go. Then one night we shut plat, did the export, import into 
sonar and the next morning all our users and staff used Sonar going forward.

-c


--

Cassidy B. Larson
CTO - InfoWest, Inc.
Voice: 435-773-6073
c...@infowest.com



> On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Plat encrypts stuff, but you can see their account password if you elect to I 
> guess.
> So yeah, that could have carried over I think.
> 
> BUT it appears to be two different systems with Sonar at that point.
> There is the Sonar instance, and then a completely separate website portal 
> instance which stores it’s own username/password I guess.
> That’s different from Plat, where Plat does have a separate website instance, 
> but it just a front for the SQL database.
> Sonar appears to be more new in that it has it’s own published API fronting 
> the database and the portal instance uses that I guess.
> 
> Yes, I am paying them during the transition period, but I got them to just 
> charge me the base amount per month while we do it.
> Transition was ‘free’. Which in my case means I still spent about $1000 to 
> have Spencer Lambert use some half broken scripting to “mostly” move my data 
> over. It was still well worth that money to save me time transferring 
> accounts and preserving autopay information though.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:12 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
> 
> So you're paying them monthly and being charged to migrate?  Seems harsh.
> 
> You're paying someone to migrate and fixing it yourself?  What are you paying 
> for?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 8:16 AM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> Doesn't Plat store things in plaintext? Why can't that be carried over?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:47:23 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
> 
> It gets worse.
> 
> I wasn’t aware that ALL of my customers are now going to have to re-create 
> their account login credentials because they don’t carry over from Plat.
> I guess this is universal with SONAR, if you want a billing portal for your 
> customers, they will ALL have to be sent some notification or link asking 
> them to re-create that info or make new credentials based off their 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for NewEquipment

[George Skorup]

I believe 802.11ac Wave2 based PTP

On 1/12/2018 11:45 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

What does it do?
*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 10:42 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for 
NewEquipment

PTP550


-- Forwarded message --
From: *FCC ID Alert* 
Date: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:30 AM
Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
To: cstann...@gmail.com


A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. 
for New Equipment.
See FCC ID Z8H89FT0038 
 


Equipment Authorized: PTP550 Fixed Transceiver

Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

[George Skorup]

Got two sites with an LMG/Antel 9dBi H-pol and an L-com 8dBi V-pol. 
Close enough. We mounted them at the same height on both sites. And when 
an SM is in-line with the two, it doesn't seem to work all that good. 
They will run MIMO-A frequently. Broadside works fine. So when the 
weather stops being total crap, we're going to re-mount one or the other 
to stack them vertically and see if that improves things.


On 1/12/2018 10:43 AM, Philip Rankin wrote:
Has anyone tried using 2 separate omni base station antennas, 1 H and 
V pol with the new Cambium 900MHz 450I AP? Pretty hard to get balanced 
gain.  Just wondering?  The separation might help over a combo antenna.


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 7:53 AM, Craig House > wrote:


Does anyone here on the list have any vertical or horizontal 900
MHz Omni directional antennas  prefer Angel for Hpol and 9 dB on Vpol

Sent from my iPhone




--
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for NewEquipment

[Mitch Koep]

Can just get the ring.too expensive to feed the unicorn lol


On 1/12/2018 12:19 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
its like a hatchimal . you pull the key and it vibrate and wiggles, 
you can speed it up by petting it and talking to it. it eventually 
hatches a unicorn. said unicorn farts a brand new radio that does 
4096qam and only needs 3db cinr


Also comes with a decoder ring

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:45 AM, > wrote:


What does it do?
*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 10:42 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application
for NewEquipment
PTP550


-- Forwarded message --
From: *FCC ID Alert* 
Date: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:30 AM
Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
To: cstann...@gmail.com


A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks
Inc. for New Equipment.
See FCC ID Z8H89FT0038



Equipment Authorized: PTP550 Fixed Transceiver

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for NewEquipment

[Steve Jones]

its like a hatchimal . you pull the key and it vibrate and wiggles, you can
speed it up by petting it and talking to it. it eventually hatches a
unicorn. said unicorn farts a brand new radio that does 4096qam and only
needs 3db cinr

Also comes with a decoder ring

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:45 AM,  wrote:

> What does it do?
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 10:42 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for
> NewEquipment
>
> PTP550
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: FCC ID Alert 
> Date: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:30 AM
> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
> To: cstann...@gmail.com
>
>
> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for
> New Equipment.
> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0038
> 
> Equipment Authorized: PTP550 Fixed Transceiver
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

[Sterling Jacobson]

Plat encrypts stuff, but you can see their account password if you elect to I 
guess.
So yeah, that could have carried over I think.

BUT it appears to be two different systems with Sonar at that point.
There is the Sonar instance, and then a completely separate website portal 
instance which stores it’s own username/password I guess.
That’s different from Plat, where Plat does have a separate website instance, 
but it just a front for the SQL database.
Sonar appears to be more new in that it has it’s own published API fronting the 
database and the portal instance uses that I guess.

Yes, I am paying them during the transition period, but I got them to just 
charge me the base amount per month while we do it.
Transition was ‘free’. Which in my case means I still spent about $1000 to have 
Spencer Lambert use some half broken scripting to “mostly” move my data over. 
It was still well worth that money to save me time transferring accounts and 
preserving autopay information though.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

So you're paying them monthly and being charged to migrate?  Seems harsh.

You're paying someone to migrate and fixing it yourself?  What are you paying 
for?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 8:16 AM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
Doesn't Plat store things in plaintext? Why can't that be carried over?



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From: "Sterling Jacobson" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:47:23 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
It gets worse.

I wasn’t aware that ALL of my customers are now going to have to re-create 
their account login credentials because they don’t carry over from Plat.
I guess this is universal with SONAR, if you want a billing portal for your 
customers, they will ALL have to be sent some notification or link asking them 
to re-create that info or make new credentials based off their account email 
address.

What a cluster F

I’m going to cry

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

Well, I manually fixed all my account types.

Now, a week later, the billing portal hosted part is showing up, BUT nothing 
works, no login and their guy Jacob is MIA again.

I’ve had accounts and cash flow FROZEN for a week for this.

It’s crazy, I’m about to lose my mind with SONAR.

Damnit!


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 8:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

My wife had a temp job once re-entering accounts for an insurance company which 
was migrating systems.
As long as the human meat computer operating the keyboard is smart enough to 
solve more problems than they create then it sounds good in theory.


-- Original Message --
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/10/2018 6:05:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus



we have done something like 3...maybe 4 purchases of networks upwards to 350 
customers / devices.  Each time I've had our people manually enter data.  Too 
risk adverse of import problems or things not working right.  I've had them do 
the data entry and I've come behind them to check everything.  I'm not sure at 
this point I'd do it any other way.   I remember Evan doing something similar - 
he had 3-4-5 data entry people entering people at one time during a conversion.

It is 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for NewEquipment

[chuck]

What does it do?

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for NewEquipment

PTP550




-- Forwarded message --
From: FCC ID Alert 
Date: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:30 AM
Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
To: cstann...@gmail.com


A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for New 
Equipment.
See FCC ID Z8H89FT0038 
Equipment Authorized: PTP550 Fixed Transceiver

[AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Colin Stanners]

PTP550


-- Forwarded message --
From: FCC ID Alert 
Date: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:30 AM
Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
To: cstann...@gmail.com


A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for
New Equipment.
See FCC ID Z8H89FT0038

Equipment Authorized: PTP550 Fixed Transceiver

Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

[chuck]

Somewhere.  Maybe.  
I based it off of what broadcasters do:
http://www.dielectric.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/broadband_slotted_coaxial_broadcast_antenna_technology.pdf

From: Philip Rankin 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:53 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

Chuck, do you have any design diagrams for that antenna.  I'd like to see how 
you got it so compact. 

Phil Rankin

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:44 AM,  wrote:

  I used to make a slotted coax h pol omni at 900.  About 9 dBi.  Was 24 inches 
long.  Nice antenna.  Not that this information does any good for you.  
  It truly was a nice design.  I had a wire tap the center conductor of the 2” 
coax (made out of copper tubing) and feed the edge of a slot on the tubing.  
Feed multiple slots all the way around and up and down.  It was the most 
compact H pol 900 for the gain out there.  Hard to build though.  

  From: Craig House 
  Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

  Thanks Steve but I’m looking for something with a little less wind load


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:38, Steve Jones  wrote:


We have the big MTI surfboard ones, theyre great null coverage, but massive

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


  we do - feel free to reach out offlist

- Original Message - 
From: Craig House 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 7:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

Does anyone here on the list have any vertical or horizontal 900 MHz 
Omni directional antennas  prefer Angel for Hpol and 9 dB on Vpol 


Sent from my iPhone





-- 

Philip J. Rankin 
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

[Philip Rankin]

Chuck, do you have any design diagrams for that antenna.  I'd like to see
how you got it so compact.

Phil Rankin

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:44 AM,  wrote:

> I used to make a slotted coax h pol omni at 900.  About 9 dBi.  Was 24
> inches long.  Nice antenna.  Not that this information does any good for
> you.
> It truly was a nice design.  I had a wire tap the center conductor of the
> 2” coax (made out of copper tubing) and feed the edge of a slot on the
> tubing.  Feed multiple slots all the way around and up and down.  It was
> the most compact H pol 900 for the gain out there.  Hard to build though.
>
> *From:* Craig House
> *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 9:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni
>
> Thanks Steve but I’m looking for something with a little less wind load
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:38, Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> We have the big MTI surfboard ones, theyre great null coverage, but massive
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> we do - feel free to reach out offlist
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Craig House
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 7:53 AM
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni
>>
>> Does anyone here on the list have any vertical or horizontal 900 MHz Omni
>> directional antennas  prefer Angel for Hpol and 9 dB on Vpol
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

[chuck]

I used to make a slotted coax h pol omni at 900.  About 9 dBi.  Was 24 inches 
long.  Nice antenna.  Not that this information does any good for you.  
It truly was a nice design.  I had a wire tap the center conductor of the 2” 
coax (made out of copper tubing) and feed the edge of a slot on the tubing.  
Feed multiple slots all the way around and up and down.  It was the most 
compact H pol 900 for the gain out there.  Hard to build though.  

From: Craig House 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

Thanks Steve but I’m looking for something with a little less wind load


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:38, Steve Jones  wrote:


  We have the big MTI surfboard ones, theyre great null coverage, but massive

  On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


we do - feel free to reach out offlist

  - Original Message - 
  From: Craig House 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 7:53 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

  Does anyone here on the list have any vertical or horizontal 900 MHz Omni 
directional antennas  prefer Angel for Hpol and 9 dB on Vpol 


  Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

[Philip Rankin]

Has anyone tried using 2 separate omni base station antennas, 1 H and V pol
with the new Cambium 900MHz 450I AP?  Pretty hard to get balanced gain.
Just wondering?  The separation might help over a combo antenna.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 7:53 AM, Craig House 
wrote:

> Does anyone here on the list have any vertical or horizontal 900 MHz Omni
> directional antennas  prefer Angel for Hpol and 9 dB on Vpol
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>



-- 
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

[Craig House]

Thanks Steve but I’m looking for something with a little less wind load

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:38, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> We have the big MTI surfboard ones, theyre great null coverage, but massive
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> we do - feel free to reach out offlist
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Craig House
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 7:53 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni
>> 
>> Does anyone here on the list have any vertical or horizontal 900 MHz Omni 
>> directional antennas  prefer Angel for Hpol and 9 dB on Vpol 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 

Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

[Steve Jones]

We have the big MTI surfboard ones, theyre great null coverage, but massive

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> we do - feel free to reach out offlist
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Craig House 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 7:53 AM
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni
>
> Does anyone here on the list have any vertical or horizontal 900 MHz Omni
> directional antennas  prefer Angel for Hpol and 9 dB on Vpol
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

[Kurt Fankhauser]

i have a used antel 900mhz H-pol

email me at k...@wavelinc.com

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> we do - feel free to reach out offlist
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Craig House 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 7:53 AM
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni
>
> Does anyone here on the list have any vertical or horizontal 900 MHz Omni
> directional antennas  prefer Angel for Hpol and 9 dB on Vpol
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

we do - feel free to reach out offlist

  - Original Message - 
  From: Craig House 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 7:53 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni


  Does anyone here on the list have any vertical or horizontal 900 MHz Omni 
directional antennas  prefer Angel for Hpol and 9 dB on Vpol 


  Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net Application Errors

[Josh Luthman]

Michael Jackson usually responded in a few hours for me.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Just for anyone searching in the future, I finally got a response back to
> my ticket.  According to the ticket response, the HTTPS Ooklaserver daemon
> test is only for private speedtest instances.  Of course I'm still waiting
> to be relisted since I changed the fallback http test from .ASP to .PHP, so
> their system doesn't realize I'm ready to go live yet.  Maybe in another
> week I'll have a response to that ticket.
>
> On 1/6/2018 2:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> does nanog list have an ookla people eater lurking?
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> My speedtest.net testing box bit the dust, and I'm having trouble
>> getting it rebuilt.  Everything is testing perfect on
>> http://www.ookla.com/hosttester.php except for the Oolkaserver Daemon
>> HTTPS test.  It fails test #4 "Response: , Error: Unknown SSL protocol
>> error in connection to speedtest.blastcomm.com:8080"  This appears to be
>> an error with the ooklaserver program, and I have the configuration file
>> set to openSSL.server.verificationMode = none. Previously I don't
>> remember having to get any SSL certs to get the ookla process working.
>>
>> I opened a ticket with Ookla, who sent me an automated response saying
>> "Fix the errors listed on http://www.ookla.com/hosttester.php; and
>> closed my ticket.  Opening new tickets has been met with deafening
>> silence.  I haven't been able to find anything on the Ookla support site
>> about this error. Has anyone troubleshooted this that could provide any
>> pointers?
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

[Josh Luthman]

So you're paying them monthly and being charged to migrate?  Seems harsh.

You're paying someone to migrate and fixing it yourself?  What are you
paying for?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 8:16 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Doesn't Plat store things in plaintext? Why can't that be carried over?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:47:23 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
> It gets worse.
>
>
>
> I wasn’t aware that ALL of my customers are now going to have to re-create
> their account login credentials because they don’t carry over from Plat.
>
> I guess this is universal with SONAR, if you want a billing portal for
> your customers, they will ALL have to be sent some notification or link
> asking them to re-create that info or make new credentials based off their
> account email address.
>
>
>
> What a cluster F
>
>
>
> I’m going to cry
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>
>
> Well, I manually fixed all my account types.
>
>
>
> Now, a week later, the billing portal hosted part is showing up, BUT
> nothing works, no login and their guy Jacob is MIA again.
>
>
>
> I’ve had accounts and cash flow FROZEN for a week for this.
>
>
>
> It’s crazy, I’m about to lose my mind with SONAR.
>
>
>
> Damnit!
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2018 8:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>
>
> My wife had a temp job once re-entering accounts for an insurance company
> which was migrating systems.
>
> As long as the human meat computer operating the keyboard is smart enough
> to solve more problems than they create then it sounds good in theory.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 1/10/2018 6:05:02 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> we have done something like 3...maybe 4 purchases of networks upwards to
> 350 customers / devices.  Each time I've had our people manually enter
> data.  Too risk adverse of import problems or things not working right.
> I've had them do the data entry and I've come behind them to check
> everything.  I'm not sure at this point I'd do it any other way.   I
> remember Evan doing something similar - he had 3-4-5 data entry people
> entering people at one time during a conversion.
>
>
>
> It is never pretty but in the end when you're done it is a pretty good
> feeling.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:44 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>
>
> Sorry, I wasn't trying to say you were doing it wrong or anything.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 1/10/2018 3:40:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
> >Sure, in my spare time I'll just create some DB scripts and then go
> >through every account to make sure it worked out and reload.
> >
> >Oh wait, how is that saving me time and money?
> >
> >It isn't.
> >
> >I elected to take their import, do some brief overview to make sure
> >things were generally ok.
> >Then modify/update the ones that have problems.
> >
> >Though that takes time, it's still less effort than starting from
> >scratch.
> >
> >What I was told was it would be easy to migrate in a day or two and get
> >running.
> >
> >So not the case.
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:36 PM
> >To: af@afmug.com
> >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
> >
> >If I recall correctly, the Sonar documentation suggested using the API
> >to write a script to set everything up.  I think the idea is you 

Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

[Dave]

I have 2 or 3 H pol 15dbi
hit me offlist


On 01/12/2018 07:53 AM, Craig House wrote:
Does anyone here on the list have any vertical or horizontal 900 MHz 
Omni directional antennas  prefer Angel for Hpol and 9 dB on Vpol


Sent from my iPhone


--

Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

[Jerry Head]

I think I have a vpole omni, not sure of the gain however.

On 1/12/2018 7:53 AM, Craig House wrote:
Does anyone here on the list have any vertical or horizontal 900 MHz 
Omni directional antennas  prefer Angel for Hpol and 9 dB on Vpol


Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net Application Errors

[Nate Burke]

Just for anyone searching in the future, I finally got a response back 
to my ticket.  According to the ticket response, the HTTPS Ooklaserver 
daemon test is only for private speedtest instances.  Of course I'm 
still waiting to be relisted since I changed the fallback http test from 
.ASP to .PHP, so their system doesn't realize I'm ready to go live yet.  
Maybe in another week I'll have a response to that ticket.


On 1/6/2018 2:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

does nanog list have an ookla people eater lurking?


On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Nate Burke > wrote:


My speedtest.net  testing box bit the dust,
and I'm having trouble getting it rebuilt.  Everything is testing
perfect on http://www.ookla.com/hosttester.php
 except for the Oolkaserver
Daemon HTTPS test.  It fails test #4 "Response: , Error: Unknown
SSL protocol error in connection to speedtest.blastcomm.com:8080
" This appears to be an error
with the ooklaserver program, and I have the configuration file
set to openSSL.server.verificationMode = none. Previously I don't
remember having to get any SSL certs to get the ookla process working.

I opened a ticket with Ookla, who sent me an automated response
saying "Fix the errors listed on
http://www.ookla.com/hosttester.php
" and closed my ticket. 
Opening new tickets has been met with deafening silence.  I

haven't been able to find anything on the Ookla support site about
this error. Has anyone troubleshooted this that could provide any
pointers?

[AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

[Craig House]

Does anyone here on the list have any vertical or horizontal 900 MHz Omni 
directional antennas  prefer Angel for Hpol and 9 dB on Vpol 

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

[Paul McCall]

Meaning can you drop them and they survive?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 6:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

I guess it depends on what you mean by abuse.

I still have my two that I got in their original Indiegogo funding campaign, 
but I don't use them constantly.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 5:02:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150
Am looking at that.  How rugged are they?  Will they hold up to a bit of abuse 
in the field?

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

Pockethernet is close to that.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest Internet Exchange
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The Brothers WISP
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From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:16:37 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150
Looking to re-outfit my techs. I set $ 150 as a somewhat arbitrary budget for 
each.

Any favorites or ones to avoid?

Paul

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

[Mike Hammett]

Doesn't Plat store things in plaintext? Why can't that be carried over? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:47:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus 



It gets worse. 

I wasn’t aware that ALL of my customers are now going to have to re-create 
their account login credentials because they don’t carry over from Plat. 
I guess this is universal with SONAR, if you want a billing portal for your 
customers, they will ALL have to be sent some notification or link asking them 
to re-create that info or make new credentials based off their account email 
address. 

What a cluster F 

I’m going to cry 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:38 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus 

Well, I manually fixed all my account types. 

Now, a week later, the billing portal hosted part is showing up, BUT nothing 
works, no login and their guy Jacob is MIA again. 

I’ve had accounts and cash flow FROZEN for a week for this. 

It’s crazy, I’m about to lose my mind with SONAR. 

Damnit! 




From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 8:30 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus 


My wife had a temp job once re-entering accounts for an insurance company which 
was migrating systems. 

As long as the human meat computer operating the keyboard is smart enough to 
solve more problems than they create then it sounds good in theory. 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 1/10/2018 6:05:02 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus 









we have done something like 3...maybe 4 purchases of networks upwards to 350 
customers / devices. Each time I've had our people manually enter data. Too 
risk adverse of import problems or things not working right. I've had them do 
the data entry and I've come behind them to check everything. I'm not sure at 
this point I'd do it any other way. I remember Evan doing something similar - 
he had 3-4-5 data entry people entering people at one time during a conversion. 



It is never pretty but in the end when you're done it is a pretty good feeling. 







- Original Message - 

From: Adam Moffett 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:44 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus 


Sorry, I wasn't trying to say you were doing it wrong or anything. 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Sterling Jacobson" < sterl...@avative.net > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 1/10/2018 3:40:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus 

>Sure, in my spare time I'll just create some DB scripts and then go 
>through every account to make sure it worked out and reload. 
> 
>Oh wait, how is that saving me time and money? 
> 
>It isn't. 
> 
>I elected to take their import, do some brief overview to make sure 
>things were generally ok. 
>Then modify/update the ones that have problems. 
> 
>Though that takes time, it's still less effort than starting from 
>scratch. 
> 
>What I was told was it would be easy to migrate in a day or two and get 
>running. 
> 
>So not the case. 
> 
> 
> 
>-Original Message- 
>From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:36 PM 
>To: af@afmug.com 
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus 
> 
>If I recall correctly, the Sonar documentation suggested using the API 
>to write a script to set everything up. I think the idea is you can 
>test your import script, then just blow away the Sonar instance and try 
>again if you have problems. Repeat until your script does everything 
>you want. Then when flag day comes you have a well tested process. 
> 
>I know I heard that somewhereif it wasn't in the docs it might have 
>been in one of the videos. 
> 
>-Adam 
> 
> 
>-- Original Message -- 
>From: "Sterling Jacobson" < sterl...@avative.net > 
>To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
>Sent: 1/10/2018 2:51:58 PM 
>Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus 
> 
>>So here is a current update on my months long progress moving from 
>>Platypus to Sonar. 
>> 
>>It's not automatic by any means. 
>> 
>>Data import is taking a long time and its painful and costs a lot 
>>extra. 
>> 
>>I'm having to manually correct/add accounts to Sonar with rate group 
>>changes, address validations etc. 
>> 
>>They appear to be understaffed. 
>> 
>>A lot of their system isn't theirs too, which is OK I guess, just 
>>didn't realize that. 
>> 
>>Import is a third party process if you don't want to do it yourself. 
>>Actual payment site isn't