Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread Adam Moffett
speed. Replace X with whatever value makes the situation viable. -- Original Message -- From: "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/30/2017 5:29:20 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy? Really hard to say depending where you are

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread Dave
Really hard to say depending where you are with current 900 noise floors what they are. In my area its not too bad as smart meters dont exist here. The other issue I have ran into is RFID entry points and Gated communities using automated gates.  It works for us in some area but not others and

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread George Skorup
Highly dependent on the noise floor at a particular site. All I can say is try it and see if it'll work out for you. On 11/30/2017 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: George, How much worse is the Omni setup? I have a couple sites that I could put an inverted Verticle under the H-pol already in

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
George, How much worse is the Omni setup? I have a couple sites that I could put an inverted Verticle under the H-pol already in place. On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > In my opinion, it's not going to be worth it to do a complete upgrade from >

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread Mathew Howard
In my opinion, it's not going to be worth it to do a complete upgrade from what you currently have on PMP100 to 450i. Are the customer's pretty evenly spread across all those APs? If there are a few APs that are a lot denser, it may make sense to upgrade those APs, but to me it's just not worth

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread George Skorup
We've got about 10 450i 900 APs up now. We tried Baicells at most of those sites. I'm talking stupid dense trees. Made it two blocks in a small town and RSRP dropped off to -120. Plus that was back when you couldn't turn down the Tx power on the eNB. It was the full 1W per port, so we were

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread Adam Moffett
17:52 PM Subject: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy? So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11 different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the PMP100 so most li

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread Jon Langeler
We charge $1500 for 900 installs but I’m debating if that’s even worth it as the speeds can vary (sporadic interference). I almost favor offering just the ‘tower build’ option and getting more line of site customers off it. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Nov 30, 2017, at 12:17

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread Steve Jones
Depending on distance and terrain. Could you get by with midpoint cheap links to the existing customers and use the midpoints to pick up some other unserved along the way? Youre already looking at alot of money to ensure future obsolescence, so whats a little more money to potentially be

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread Carl Peterson
If I tried to tell my partner that we needed to drop 60K on equipment for 1K per month in revenue I would get laughed out of the room. On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > if you are in the US, the "smart grid" is coming to help you by answering >

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
My worry is if I deploy it that 5-6 years down the road we will be in the same boat now of trying to find another solution to get the bandwidth to the customers because by then they will be all wanting faster than what the 900mhz can do just like the same problem we have now. On Thu, Nov 30, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread Steve Jones
if you are in the US, the "smart grid" is coming to help you by answering your questions for you On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11 > different access points. I am trying

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread Josh Baird
Personally, I wouldn’t even consider investing this amount of money in 900mhz any longer. Perhaps you should take a look at LTE? > On Nov 30, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11 >

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread Darin Steffl
You'd want closer to 15-30 subs per AP on 900mhz to deploy or a high install cost to make it worthwhile. We're always at 1-year ROI on tower and CPE gear and any longer than that, we move on to more profitable projects. If you can't make ROI work, leave the PMP100 up and tell customers you can't

[AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

2017-11-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11 different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the PMP100 so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I currently have