Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
As others have said on this thread.. The XW Titanium units are worlds better (in terms of speed and interference immunity) than the TI and XM radios. They are stable if you run the interface at 100 Mbps instead of 1 Gbps. If the regular rockets are now available in XW I suppose those would be as good as long as you add shielding. I personally would just use the XW Titaniums to avoid the cumbersome shield. What I really want however is the AC radios with backwards compatibility so I can deploy a mixed N/AC network. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
How much is due to the better hardware, and how much is due to the
shielding? I guess what I wonder is the apples versus oranges argument.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 8:26 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant
performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles.
Jerry
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your
Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world
applications?
Thanks
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We have had odd issues with the titaniums, I dont know if there has been a redesign on them since we purchased them a while ago, but they just seem to crap out in poor conditions much easier than the standard rockets. The backlobes on unshielded ubnt radios saved the day for us one time when we had a lightning strike, we started at the remote site that had a ptp 300 integrated struck. All we had for spares was connectorized and the tower would not allow for a dish. The site is low use so we decided to throw up a nanobridge. It happenned the site at the other end had a ubnt backhaul facing the other direction. We were able to bring the link up and peak it to that backhaul, which was nice because we didnt have to scramble up to that location to swap out radios, or return to this site to peak it out. We have since shielded that backhaul On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they been in service? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
What’s funny is that I’ve got the original Titaniums still up over 2 years with no problems and no downtime. They were still on 5.3 but I’ll be upgrading them tomorrow. However, I don’t see any reason to pay the difference between the Rocket 5M and the Titanium with 20MHz channels, especially if you have RF Armor shields. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 9:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets they replaced but can’t speak to failure rates. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the new XW version. On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they been in service? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bzmailto:je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bzmailto:je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
I would ask Peter Kranz about that. he has been fairly involved with
UBNT trials and tribulations.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 8:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and
the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
*From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant
performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles.
Jerry
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your
Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world
applications?
Thanks
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Yes, the neat little RF elements case... are they not available now? I've had a couple sitting here for months. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: RF armor shield you mean? Unless you've gotten a hold of those neat RF elements Rocket case. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 2, 2015 12:27 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see a lot of point in bothering with the Titanium Rockets... the standard Rockets are XW hardware now, so you get the faster processor. if you want the better shielding just get those RF elements shields and it will still be cheaper than a Ti or if you're using RF armor, it's irrelevant anyway. If you need more than 100M ethernet, get a real backhaul. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: What’s funny is that I’ve got the original Titaniums still up over 2 years with no problems and no downtime. They were still on 5.3 but I’ll be upgrading them tomorrow. However, I don’t see any reason to pay the difference between the Rocket 5M and the Titanium with 20MHz channels, especially if you have RF Armor shields. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2015 9:52 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets they replaced but can’t speak to failure rates. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Keefe John *Sent:* Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the new XW version. On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they been in service? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz je...@richardson.bz *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
For Rockets there are two different shields. One is the Rock Shield
which shields the original Rocket case. Second there is the shield that
bolts onto some of the parabolic dishes that provides slightly better
sidelobe performance on the dishes themselves.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 9:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I think he means exactly what he said being that he later addressed RF
Armor directly.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 11:36:54 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
RF armor shield you mean? Unless you've gotten a hold of those neat
RF elements Rocket case.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 2, 2015 12:27 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see a lot of point in bothering with the Titanium
Rockets... the standard Rockets are XW hardware now, so you get
the faster processor. if you want the better shielding just get
those RF elements shields and it will still be cheaper than a Ti
or if you're using RF armor, it's irrelevant anyway. If you need
more than 100M ethernet, get a real backhaul.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway
r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
What’s funny is that I’ve got the original Titaniums still up
over 2 years with no problems and no downtime. They were
still on 5.3 but I’ll be upgrading them tomorrow. However, I
don’t see any reason to pay the difference between the Rocket
5M and the Titanium with 20MHz channels, especially if you
have RF Armor shields.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2015 9:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets
they replaced but can’t speak to failure rates.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
*Sent:* Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the
new XW version.
On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long
have they been in service?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
*From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
mailto:je...@richardson.bz
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw
throughput improvements.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled
past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
*From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
mailto:je...@richardson.bz
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We
see instant performance improvements particularly with
links over 12 miles.
Jerry
*From:*Af
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Well, anything before the most recent generation are pure garbage. AFAIK, the
jury is still out on the newest ones.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:33:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
I would ask Peter Kranz about that. he has been fairly involved with UBNT
trials and tribulations.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 8:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook
on the new ones is still uncertain.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant
performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles.
Jerry
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket
radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications?
Thanks
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the new XW version. On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they been in service? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
IIRC, the original Tis went like a raped ape... just fell on their faces a couple months into service. First it was Ethernet\power issues, then it was Tx chain issues. There might be more issues that I'm unaware of. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:52:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets they replaced but can’t speak to failure rates. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the new XW version. On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they been in service? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
I don't see a lot of point in bothering with the Titanium Rockets... the standard Rockets are XW hardware now, so you get the faster processor. if you want the better shielding just get those RF elements shields and it will still be cheaper than a Ti or if you're using RF armor, it's irrelevant anyway. If you need more than 100M ethernet, get a real backhaul. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: What’s funny is that I’ve got the original Titaniums still up over 2 years with no problems and no downtime. They were still on 5.3 but I’ll be upgrading them tomorrow. However, I don’t see any reason to pay the difference between the Rocket 5M and the Titanium with 20MHz channels, especially if you have RF Armor shields. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2015 9:52 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets they replaced but can’t speak to failure rates. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Keefe John *Sent:* Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the new XW version. On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they been in service? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz je...@richardson.bz *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
RF armor shield you mean? Unless you've gotten a hold of those neat RF elements Rocket case. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 2, 2015 12:27 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see a lot of point in bothering with the Titanium Rockets... the standard Rockets are XW hardware now, so you get the faster processor. if you want the better shielding just get those RF elements shields and it will still be cheaper than a Ti or if you're using RF armor, it's irrelevant anyway. If you need more than 100M ethernet, get a real backhaul. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: What’s funny is that I’ve got the original Titaniums still up over 2 years with no problems and no downtime. They were still on 5.3 but I’ll be upgrading them tomorrow. However, I don’t see any reason to pay the difference between the Rocket 5M and the Titanium with 20MHz channels, especially if you have RF Armor shields. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2015 9:52 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets they replaced but can’t speak to failure rates. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Keefe John *Sent:* Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the new XW version. On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they been in service? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz je...@richardson.bz *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
I think he means exactly what he said being that he later addressed RF Armor directly. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:36:54 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields RF armor shield you mean? Unless you've gotten a hold of those neat RF elements Rocket case. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 2, 2015 12:27 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see a lot of point in bothering with the Titanium Rockets... the standard Rockets are XW hardware now, so you get the faster processor. if you want the better shielding just get those RF elements shields and it will still be cheaper than a Ti or if you're using RF armor, it's irrelevant anyway. If you need more than 100M ethernet, get a real backhaul. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: blockquote What’s funny is that I’ve got the original Titaniums still up over 2 years with no problems and no downtime. They were still on 5.3 but I’ll be upgrading them tomorrow. However, I don’t see any reason to pay the difference between the Rocket 5M and the Titanium with 20MHz channels, especially if you have RF Armor shields. Rory From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 9:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets they replaced but can’t speak to failure rates. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the new XW version. On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they been in service? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Times that by 10. The next generation will need SFP+. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:47:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields I can see a point in the very near future where we will need to get well over 100Mbps through a single AP. Spectrum limitations and user bandwidth requirements will force it. It’s going to take bigger/better processors, more bits/Hz and improved S/N. The Ti’s are an improvement over the Rockets, but clearly still fall somewhat short. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 9:27 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields I don't see a lot of point in bothering with the Titanium Rockets... the standard Rockets are XW hardware now, so you get the faster processor. if you want the better shielding just get those RF elements shields and it will still be cheaper than a Ti or if you're using RF armor, it's irrelevant anyway. If you need more than 100M ethernet, get a real backhaul. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: What’s funny is that I’ve got the original Titaniums still up over 2 years with no problems and no downtime. They were still on 5.3 but I’ll be upgrading them tomorrow. However, I don’t see any reason to pay the difference between the Rocket 5M and the Titanium with 20MHz channels, especially if you have RF Armor shields. Rory From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 9:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets they replaced but can’t speak to failure rates. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the new XW version. On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they been in service? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
I wonder who is behind the RF Elements people. They have invested a ton of
money into tooling. Not cheap to release products like that.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
My bad. RF Armor, RF Elements. Sheesh.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 9:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Via Are you referring to the RF Armor radome? RF Elements only has the radio
shield, not the dish radome.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:42:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
For Rockets there are two different shields. One is the Rock Shield which
shields the original Rocket case. Second there is the shield that bolts onto
some of the parabolic dishes that provides slightly better sidelobe performance
on the dishes themselves.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 9:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I think he means exactly what he said being that he later addressed RF
Armor directly.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:36:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
RF armor shield you mean? Unless you've gotten a hold of those neat RF
elements Rocket case.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 2, 2015 12:27 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see a lot of point in bothering with the Titanium Rockets... the
standard Rockets are XW hardware now, so you get the faster processor. if you
want the better shielding just get those RF elements shields and it will still
be cheaper than a Ti or if you're using RF armor, it's irrelevant anyway. If
you need more than 100M ethernet, get a real backhaul.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
What’s funny is that I’ve got the original Titaniums still up over 2
years with no problems and no downtime. They were still on 5.3 but I’ll be
upgrading them tomorrow. However, I don’t see any reason to pay the difference
between the Rocket 5M and the Titanium with 20MHz channels, especially if you
have RF Armor shields.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets they
replaced but can’t speak to failure rates.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the new XW
version.
On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they
been in service?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Jerry Richardson mailto:je...@richardson.bz
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput
improvements.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and
the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see
instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles.
Jerry
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
I can see a point in the very near future where we will need to get well over 100Mbps through a single AP. Spectrum limitations and user bandwidth requirements will force it. It’s going to take bigger/better processors, more bits/Hz and improved S/N. The Ti’s are an improvement over the Rockets, but clearly still fall somewhat short. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 9:27 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields I don't see a lot of point in bothering with the Titanium Rockets... the standard Rockets are XW hardware now, so you get the faster processor. if you want the better shielding just get those RF elements shields and it will still be cheaper than a Ti or if you're using RF armor, it's irrelevant anyway. If you need more than 100M ethernet, get a real backhaul. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: What’s funny is that I’ve got the original Titaniums still up over 2 years with no problems and no downtime. They were still on 5.3 but I’ll be upgrading them tomorrow. However, I don’t see any reason to pay the difference between the Rocket 5M and the Titanium with 20MHz channels, especially if you have RF Armor shields. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 9:52 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets they replaced but can’t speak to failure rates. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the new XW version. On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they been in service? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Jerry Richardson mailto:je...@richardson.bz je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
They've been doing their thing for several years.
They actually have stuff in the works that hasn't been made public yet.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:53:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
I wonder who is behind the RF Elements people. They have invested a ton of
money into tooling. Not cheap to release products like that.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
My bad. RF Armor, RF Elements. Sheesh.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 9:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Via Are you referring to the RF Armor radome? RF Elements only has the radio
shield, not the dish radome.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:42:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
For Rockets there are two different shields. One is the Rock Shield which
shields the original Rocket case. Second there is the shield that bolts onto
some of the parabolic dishes that provides slightly better sidelobe performance
on the dishes themselves.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 9:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
blockquote
I think he means exactly what he said being that he later addressed RF Armor
directly.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:36:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
RF armor shield you mean? Unless you've gotten a hold of those neat RF elements
Rocket case.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 2, 2015 12:27 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
I don't see a lot of point in bothering with the Titanium Rockets... the
standard Rockets are XW hardware now, so you get the faster processor. if you
want the better shielding just get those RF elements shields and it will still
be cheaper than a Ti or if you're using RF armor, it's irrelevant anyway. If
you need more than 100M ethernet, get a real backhaul.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
blockquote
What’s funny is that I’ve got the original Titaniums still up over 2 years with
no problems and no downtime. They were still on 5.3 but I’ll be upgrading them
tomorrow. However, I don’t see any reason to pay the difference between the
Rocket 5M and the Titanium with 20MHz channels, especially if you have RF Armor
shields.
Rory
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets they replaced but
can’t speak to failure rates.
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the new XW version.
On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
blockquote
The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they been in
service?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Jerry Richardson mailto:je...@richardson.bz
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements.
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook
on the new ones is still uncertain.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant
performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles.
Jerry
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket
radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications?
Thanks
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
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Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Via Are you referring to the RF Armor radome? RF Elements only has the radio
shield, not the dish radome.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:42:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
For Rockets there are two different shields. One is the Rock Shield which
shields the original Rocket case. Second there is the shield that bolts onto
some of the parabolic dishes that provides slightly better sidelobe performance
on the dishes themselves.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 9:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I think he means exactly what he said being that he later addressed RF Armor
directly.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:36:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
RF armor shield you mean? Unless you've gotten a hold of those neat RF elements
Rocket case.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 2, 2015 12:27 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
I don't see a lot of point in bothering with the Titanium Rockets... the
standard Rockets are XW hardware now, so you get the faster processor. if you
want the better shielding just get those RF elements shields and it will still
be cheaper than a Ti or if you're using RF armor, it's irrelevant anyway. If
you need more than 100M ethernet, get a real backhaul.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
blockquote
What’s funny is that I’ve got the original Titaniums still up over 2 years with
no problems and no downtime. They were still on 5.3 but I’ll be upgrading them
tomorrow. However, I don’t see any reason to pay the difference between the
Rocket 5M and the Titanium with 20MHz channels, especially if you have RF Armor
shields.
Rory
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets they replaced but
can’t speak to failure rates.
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the new XW version.
On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
blockquote
The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they been in
service?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements.
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook
on the new ones is still uncertain.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant
performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles.
Jerry
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket
radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications?
Thanks
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
My bad. RF Armor, RF Elements. Sheesh.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 9:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Via Are you referring to the RF Armor radome? RF Elements only has the
radio shield, not the dish radome.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
*From: *Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 11:42:56 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
For Rockets there are two different shields. One is the Rock Shield
which shields the original Rocket case. Second there is the shield
that bolts onto some of the parabolic dishes that provides slightly
better sidelobe performance on the dishes themselves.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 9:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I think he means exactly what he said being that he later
addressed RF Armor directly.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 11:36:54 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
RF armor shield you mean? Unless you've gotten a hold of those
neat RF elements Rocket case.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 2, 2015 12:27 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see a lot of point in bothering with the Titanium
Rockets... the standard Rockets are XW hardware now, so you
get the faster processor. if you want the better shielding
just get those RF elements shields and it will still be
cheaper than a Ti or if you're using RF armor, it's irrelevant
anyway. If you need more than 100M ethernet, get a real backhaul.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway
r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
What’s funny is that I’ve got the original Titaniums still
up over 2 years with no problems and no downtime. They
were still on 5.3 but I’ll be upgrading them tomorrow.
However, I don’t see any reason to pay the difference
between the Rocket 5M and the Titanium with 20MHz
channels, especially if you have RF Armor shields.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2015 9:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets
they replaced but can’t speak to failure rates.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Keefe John
*Sent:* Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even
the new XW version.
On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How
long have they been in service?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
*From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
mailto:je...@richardson.bz
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw
throughput improvements.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
I don't bother since I separate my backhauls vertically/azimuth enough for it to not really be relevant. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Tons of it out there. RF Armor is the most isolating of the shielding setups out there for UBNT products, but it also the most cumbersome. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 11:08:12 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
[AFMUG] Rocket series shields
How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We use them anytime there is another UBNT product (or any product for
that matter) in the same band within 100'. If the neighbor shows up in
a spectrum scan, then it is shielded as best we can.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/1/2015 9:08 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your
Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world
applications?
Thanks
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
