Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-04 Thread Josh Reynolds 
You actually don't want SFPs for consumer products and many applications.
It's more economical (and other reasons) to use the existing UTP if
possible, hence 2.5/5/25Gbps Ethernet over UTP and G.FAST over cat3/cat5.
On Jun 4, 2016 10:43 PM, "Jason Wilson" <ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:

> Semd Mike Hammett after them. He will get SFP's put on your refrigerator
> soon.
> On Jun 4, 2016 11:52 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
>> Nice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks like it won’t be approved for production until September, and who
>> knows when routers will implement it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Probably a couple years before it’s scale makes it cheap and Mikrotik
>> adopts it…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:49 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>>
>>
>>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2016 1:45 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>
>> So are you saying there is a standard coming out that can do over 1Gbps
>> over Cat5e?
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to see that sooner than later.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can’t sell anything above a 1 Gigabit over existing house wire because
>> there are no transceivers or routers that handle more than GigE.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:41 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>>
>>
>>
>> 802.11ad is going to bring 5Gbps and 10Gbps Ethernet into the
>> mainstream... in about 3-5 years.
>>
>> Most devices aren't but 1x1 or 2x2 on 802.11ac, which drastically limits
>> their bandwidth, even on 80mhz and 80+80 channels. An 8x8 radio on 802.11AC
>> 3rd gen with all clients and the AP capable of MU-MIMO with a bunch of
>> devices on it? Then more than a gig or more than a 1x1G lag makes sense.
>> Those devices will have 5Gbps over copper support using the existing
>> copper, maybe even 2x5Gbps ports.
>>
>> Still, those devices will be plugged into layer3 switches for proper
>> east-west traffic speeds at line rate, that can support POE 802.3at and the
>> 5Gbps over copper rates. They will likely have several 5Gbps ports, and a
>> handful of 25Gbps over copper.
>>
>> You won't see much SFP+ in homes. WAN ports for CPE devices will be
>> limited to 1Gbps for the next few years at a minimum. 5years before you see
>> a 5Gbps WAN port would be my guess, and even then they will be rare.
>>
>> Sources - my own research, and comments from several router manufacturers
>> and FTTH vendors.
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>
>> You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more
>> than 10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so
>> this is where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home
>> already.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, they can.
>>
>>
>>
>> With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps
>> wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do
>> over 1Gbps NAT traffic.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the
>> future, so that makes it more likely.
>>
>>
>>
>> They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer W

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-04 Thread Jason Wilson 
Semd Mike Hammett after them. He will get SFP's put on your refrigerator
soon.
On Jun 4, 2016 11:52 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

> Nice.
>
>
>
> Looks like it won’t be approved for production until September, and who
> knows when routers will implement it.
>
>
>
> Probably a couple years before it’s scale makes it cheap and Mikrotik
> adopts it…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:45 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> So are you saying there is a standard coming out that can do over 1Gbps
> over Cat5e?
>
>
>
> I would like to see that sooner than later.
>
>
>
> I can’t sell anything above a 1 Gigabit over existing house wire because
> there are no transceivers or routers that handle more than GigE.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> 802.11ad is going to bring 5Gbps and 10Gbps Ethernet into the
> mainstream... in about 3-5 years.
>
> Most devices aren't but 1x1 or 2x2 on 802.11ac, which drastically limits
> their bandwidth, even on 80mhz and 80+80 channels. An 8x8 radio on 802.11AC
> 3rd gen with all clients and the AP capable of MU-MIMO with a bunch of
> devices on it? Then more than a gig or more than a 1x1G lag makes sense.
> Those devices will have 5Gbps over copper support using the existing
> copper, maybe even 2x5Gbps ports.
>
> Still, those devices will be plugged into layer3 switches for proper
> east-west traffic speeds at line rate, that can support POE 802.3at and the
> 5Gbps over copper rates. They will likely have several 5Gbps ports, and a
> handful of 25Gbps over copper.
>
> You won't see much SFP+ in homes. WAN ports for CPE devices will be
> limited to 1Gbps for the next few years at a minimum. 5years before you see
> a 5Gbps WAN port would be my guess, and even then they will be rare.
>
> Sources - my own research, and comments from several router manufacturers
> and FTTH vendors.
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more
> than 10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.
>
>
>
> I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so
> this is where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.
>
>
>
> There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.
>
>
>
> I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home
> already.
>
>
>
> Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.
>
>
>
> Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?
>
>
>
> Yes, they can.
>
>
>
> With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.
>
>
>
> What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps
> wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do
> over 1Gbps NAT traffic.
>
>
>
> I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the
> future, so that makes it more likely.
>
>
>
> They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router.
> That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more
> isps are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home
> needs a gig. They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps
> wireless sub.
>
> Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe
> lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" <ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>
>
>
> On Sat

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-04 Thread Sterling Jacobson 
Nice.

Looks like it won’t be approved for production until September, and who knows 
when routers will implement it.

Probably a couple years before it’s scale makes it cheap and Mikrotik adopts it…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T
On Jun 4, 2016 1:45 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
So are you saying there is a standard coming out that can do over 1Gbps over 
Cat5e?

I would like to see that sooner than later.

I can’t sell anything above a 1 Gigabit over existing house wire because there 
are no transceivers or routers that handle more than GigE.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


802.11ad is going to bring 5Gbps and 10Gbps Ethernet into the mainstream... in 
about 3-5 years.

Most devices aren't but 1x1 or 2x2 on 802.11ac, which drastically limits their 
bandwidth, even on 80mhz and 80+80 channels. An 8x8 radio on 802.11AC 3rd gen 
with all clients and the AP capable of MU-MIMO with a bunch of devices on it? 
Then more than a gig or more than a 1x1G lag makes sense. Those devices will 
have 5Gbps over copper support using the existing copper, maybe even 2x5Gbps 
ports.

Still, those devices will be plugged into layer3 switches for proper east-west 
traffic speeds at line rate, that can support POE 802.3at and the 5Gbps over 
copper rates. They will likely have several 5Gbps ports, and a handful of 
25Gbps over copper.

You won't see much SFP+ in homes. WAN ports for CPE devices will be limited to 
1Gbps for the next few years at a minimum. 5years before you see a 5Gbps WAN 
port would be my guess, and even then they will be rare.

Sources - my own research, and comments from several router manufacturers and 
FTTH vendors.
On Jun 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more than 
10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.

I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so this is 
where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.

There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.

I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home 
already.

Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.

Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net<http://speedtest.net>?

Yes, they can.

With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.

What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps 
wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do over 
1Gbps NAT traffic.

I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the future, so 
that makes it more likely.

They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:

http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router. 
That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more isps 
are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home needs a gig. 
They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps wireless sub.

Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe lies. 
I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" 
<ginovi...@gmail.com<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in your 
opinion, where the problem lies?
On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK wireless 
AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4 GigE ports, 
but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.

Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport the 
wireless to two

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-04 Thread Josh Reynolds 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T
On Jun 4, 2016 1:45 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

> So are you saying there is a standard coming out that can do over 1Gbps
> over Cat5e?
>
>
>
> I would like to see that sooner than later.
>
>
>
> I can’t sell anything above a 1 Gigabit over existing house wire because
> there are no transceivers or routers that handle more than GigE.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> 802.11ad is going to bring 5Gbps and 10Gbps Ethernet into the
> mainstream... in about 3-5 years.
>
> Most devices aren't but 1x1 or 2x2 on 802.11ac, which drastically limits
> their bandwidth, even on 80mhz and 80+80 channels. An 8x8 radio on 802.11AC
> 3rd gen with all clients and the AP capable of MU-MIMO with a bunch of
> devices on it? Then more than a gig or more than a 1x1G lag makes sense.
> Those devices will have 5Gbps over copper support using the existing
> copper, maybe even 2x5Gbps ports.
>
> Still, those devices will be plugged into layer3 switches for proper
> east-west traffic speeds at line rate, that can support POE 802.3at and the
> 5Gbps over copper rates. They will likely have several 5Gbps ports, and a
> handful of 25Gbps over copper.
>
> You won't see much SFP+ in homes. WAN ports for CPE devices will be
> limited to 1Gbps for the next few years at a minimum. 5years before you see
> a 5Gbps WAN port would be my guess, and even then they will be rare.
>
> Sources - my own research, and comments from several router manufacturers
> and FTTH vendors.
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more
> than 10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.
>
>
>
> I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so
> this is where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.
>
>
>
> There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.
>
>
>
> I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home
> already.
>
>
>
> Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.
>
>
>
> Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?
>
>
>
> Yes, they can.
>
>
>
> With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.
>
>
>
> What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps
> wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do
> over 1Gbps NAT traffic.
>
>
>
> I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the
> future, so that makes it more likely.
>
>
>
> They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router.
> That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more
> isps are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home
> needs a gig. They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps
> wireless sub.
>
> Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe
> lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" <ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
> your opinion, where the problem lies?
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>
>
>
> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport
> the wireless to two GigE conne

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-04 Thread Sterling Jacobson 
So are you saying there is a standard coming out that can do over 1Gbps over 
Cat5e?

I would like to see that sooner than later.

I can’t sell anything above a 1 Gigabit over existing house wire because there 
are no transceivers or routers that handle more than GigE.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


802.11ad is going to bring 5Gbps and 10Gbps Ethernet into the mainstream... in 
about 3-5 years.

Most devices aren't but 1x1 or 2x2 on 802.11ac, which drastically limits their 
bandwidth, even on 80mhz and 80+80 channels. An 8x8 radio on 802.11AC 3rd gen 
with all clients and the AP capable of MU-MIMO with a bunch of devices on it? 
Then more than a gig or more than a 1x1G lag makes sense. Those devices will 
have 5Gbps over copper support using the existing copper, maybe even 2x5Gbps 
ports.

Still, those devices will be plugged into layer3 switches for proper east-west 
traffic speeds at line rate, that can support POE 802.3at and the 5Gbps over 
copper rates. They will likely have several 5Gbps ports, and a handful of 
25Gbps over copper.

You won't see much SFP+ in homes. WAN ports for CPE devices will be limited to 
1Gbps for the next few years at a minimum. 5years before you see a 5Gbps WAN 
port would be my guess, and even then they will be rare.

Sources - my own research, and comments from several router manufacturers and 
FTTH vendors.
On Jun 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more than 
10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.

I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so this is 
where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.

There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.

I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home 
already.

Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.

Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net<http://speedtest.net>?

Yes, they can.

With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.

What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps 
wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do over 
1Gbps NAT traffic.

I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the future, so 
that makes it more likely.

They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:

http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router. 
That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more isps 
are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home needs a gig. 
They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps wireless sub.

Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe lies. 
I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" 
<ginovi...@gmail.com<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in your 
opinion, where the problem lies?
On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK wireless 
AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4 GigE ports, 
but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.

Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport the 
wireless to two GigE connections?

I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of actual 
transport?

If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump to 
paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on SFP+.

In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of NAT/connection 
tracking on the CCR.

I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.

I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser going 
to speedtest.net<http://speedtest.net>





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@a

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-04 Thread Ken Hohhof 
You’ll need a $1500 USB cable to go with that router.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 1:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

Does that thing walk around?

On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

  You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more than 
10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.



  I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so this 
is where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.



  There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.



  I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home 
already.



  Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.



  Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net? 



  Yes, they can.



  With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.



  What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps 
wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do over 
1Gbps NAT traffic.



  I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the future, 
so that makes it more likely.



  They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:



  
http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6







  From: Af [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On 
Behalf Of Darin Steffl
  Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router



  There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router. 
That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more isps 
are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home needs a gig. 
They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps wireless sub. 

  Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos. 

  On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@kyneticwifi.com');> wrote:

I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe 
lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".

On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ginovi...@gmail.com');> wrote:

  thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet



  On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@kyneticwifi.com');> wrote:

I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in 
your opinion, where the problem lies?

On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');> wrote:

  I just find it frustrating that the top of the line 
ASUS/Netgear/DLINK wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps 
wireless and have 4 GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.



  Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual 
transport the wireless to two GigE connections?



  I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of 
actual transport?



  If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and 
dump to paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on 
SFP+.



  In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of 
NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.



  I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.



  I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a 
browser going to speedtest.net











  From: Af 
[mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On Behalf Of Josh 
Reynolds
  Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router



  I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for 
redundant 10G customers of ours.

  A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.

  On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');> wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer 
wireless router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-04 Thread Josh Reynolds 
802.11ad is going to bring 5Gbps and 10Gbps Ethernet into the mainstream...
in about 3-5 years.

Most devices aren't but 1x1 or 2x2 on 802.11ac, which drastically limits
their bandwidth, even on 80mhz and 80+80 channels. An 8x8 radio on 802.11AC
3rd gen with all clients and the AP capable of MU-MIMO with a bunch of
devices on it? Then more than a gig or more than a 1x1G lag makes sense.
Those devices will have 5Gbps over copper support using the existing
copper, maybe even 2x5Gbps ports.

Still, those devices will be plugged into layer3 switches for proper
east-west traffic speeds at line rate, that can support POE 802.3at and the
5Gbps over copper rates. They will likely have several 5Gbps ports, and a
handful of 25Gbps over copper.

You won't see much SFP+ in homes. WAN ports for CPE devices will be limited
to 1Gbps for the next few years at a minimum. 5years before you see a 5Gbps
WAN port would be my guess, and even then they will be rare.

Sources - my own research, and comments from several router manufacturers
and FTTH vendors.
On Jun 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

> You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more
> than 10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.
>
>
>
> I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so
> this is where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.
>
>
>
> There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.
>
>
>
> I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home
> already.
>
>
>
> Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.
>
>
>
> Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?
>
>
>
> Yes, they can.
>
>
>
> With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.
>
>
>
> What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps
> wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do
> over 1Gbps NAT traffic.
>
>
>
> I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the
> future, so that makes it more likely.
>
>
>
> They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router.
> That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more
> isps are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home
> needs a gig. They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps
> wireless sub.
>
> Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe
> lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" <ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
> your opinion, where the problem lies?
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>
>
>
> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport
> the wireless to two GigE connections?
>
>
>
> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
> actual transport?
>
>
>
> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump to
> paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on SFP+.
>
>
>
> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>
>
>
> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>
>
>
> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
> going to speedtest.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant 10G
> customers of ours.
>
> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-04 Thread Jason McKemie 
Does that thing walk around?

On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

> You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more
> than 10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.
>
>
>
> I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so
> this is where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.
>
>
>
> There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.
>
>
>
> I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home
> already.
>
>
>
> Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.
>
>
>
> Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?
>
>
>
> Yes, they can.
>
>
>
> With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.
>
>
>
> What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps
> wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do
> over 1Gbps NAT traffic.
>
>
>
> I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the
> future, so that makes it more likely.
>
>
>
> They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On Behalf Of *Darin
> Steffl
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router.
> That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more
> isps are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home
> needs a gig. They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps
> wireless sub.
>
> Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@kyneticwifi.com');>> wrote:
>
> I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe
> lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" <ginovi...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ginovi...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@kyneticwifi.com');>> wrote:
>
> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
> your opinion, where the problem lies?
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');>> wrote:
>
> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>
>
>
> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport
> the wireless to two GigE connections?
>
>
>
> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
> actual transport?
>
>
>
> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump to
> paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on SFP+.
>
>
>
> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>
>
>
> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>
>
>
> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
> going to speedtest.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant 10G
> customers of ours.
>
> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');>> wrote:
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-04 Thread Sterling Jacobson 
You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more than 
10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.

I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so this is 
where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.

There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.

I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home 
already.

Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.

Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?

Yes, they can.

With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.

What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps 
wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do over 
1Gbps NAT traffic.

I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the future, so 
that makes it more likely.

They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:

http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router. 
That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more isps 
are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home needs a gig. 
They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps wireless sub.

Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe lies. 
I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" 
<ginovi...@gmail.com<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in your 
opinion, where the problem lies?
On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK wireless 
AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4 GigE ports, 
but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.

Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport the 
wireless to two GigE connections?

I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of actual 
transport?

If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump to 
paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on SFP+.

In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of NAT/connection 
tracking on the CCR.

I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.

I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser going 
to speedtest.net<http://speedtest.net>





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant 10G 
customers of ours.

A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless router 
with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-04 Thread Darin Steffl 
There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router.
That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more
isps are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home
needs a gig. They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps
wireless sub.

Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe
> lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" <ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
>>> your opinion, where the problem lies?
>>> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
>>>> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
>>>> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual
>>>> transport the wireless to two GigE connections?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
>>>> actual transport?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump
>>>> to paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on
>>>> SFP+.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
>>>> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
>>>> going to speedtest.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant
>>>> 10G customers of ours.
>>>>
>>>> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
>>>> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-04 Thread Josh Reynolds 
I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe
lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" <ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
>> your opinion, where the problem lies?
>> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
>>> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
>>> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual
>>> transport the wireless to two GigE connections?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
>>> actual transport?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump
>>> to paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on
>>> SFP+.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
>>> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
>>> going to speedtest.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant
>>> 10G customers of ours.
>>>
>>> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
>>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
>>> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-04 Thread Gino Villarini 
iirc there is a limited number of 10gpon routers in the market

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 2:28 AM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
>> your opinion, where the problem lies?
>> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
>>> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
>>> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual
>>> transport the wireless to two GigE connections?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
>>> actual transport?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump
>>> to paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on
>>> SFP+.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
>>> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
>>> going to speedtest.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant
>>> 10G customers of ours.
>>>
>>> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
>>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
>>> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-04 Thread Gino Villarini 
thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
> your opinion, where the problem lies?
> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
>> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
>> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
>> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport
>> the wireless to two GigE connections?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
>> actual transport?
>>
>>
>>
>> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump
>> to paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on
>> SFP+.
>>
>>
>>
>> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
>> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>>
>>
>>
>> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
>> going to speedtest.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>>
>>
>>
>> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant
>> 10G customers of ours.
>>
>> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
>>
>> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
>> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-03 Thread Josh Reynolds 
I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
your opinion, where the problem lies?
On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>
>
>
> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport
> the wireless to two GigE connections?
>
>
>
> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
> actual transport?
>
>
>
> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump to
> paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on SFP+.
>
>
>
> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>
>
>
> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>
>
>
> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
> going to speedtest.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant 10G
> customers of ours.
>
> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-03 Thread Sterling Jacobson 
I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK wireless 
AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4 GigE ports, 
but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.

Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport the 
wireless to two GigE connections?

I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of actual 
transport?

If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump to 
paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on SFP+.

In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of NAT/connection 
tracking on the CCR.

I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.

I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser going 
to speedtest.net





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant 10G 
customers of ours.

A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless router 
with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-03 Thread Josh Reynolds 
I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant 10G
customers of ours.

A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-03 Thread Chuck McCown 

No but there is an APC GPON unit.

-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 9:54 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless 
router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?

[AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

2016-06-03 Thread Sterling Jacobson 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless router 
with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?