28, 2019 4:19:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
I dunno, it might be easier to just adapt to living inside the sun.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 2:45 PM Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote:
On 2/28/19 12:31, Jason McKemie wrote:
> I think we'll either h
I dunno, it might be easier to just adapt to living inside the sun.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 2:45 PM Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 2/28/19 12:31, Jason McKemie wrote:
> > I think we'll either have killed ourselves off long before then, or be
> > able to move the entire Earth out of the way.
>
>
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake
Fiber vs Microwave
Okay, Q.
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- Original Message -
From: "Seth Mattinen"
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 2:44:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microw
On 2/28/19 12:31, Jason McKemie wrote:
I think we'll either have killed ourselves off long before then, or be
able to move the entire Earth out of the way.
Simple, change the gravitational constant of the universe.
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ctive lead.
>>
>> Nothing but good news here today.
>>
>> *From:* Jeremy
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:19 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
>>
>> Well, here in Utah we have
radioactive lead.
Nothing but good news here today.
From: Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
Well, here in Utah we have all this lakebed sediment on the benches.
Liquefaction will likely end up
Loma Prieta earthquake of 1989...I was working for Kaiser Hospitals in
their NOC on the 9th floor of a 21 story building in downtown Oakland
when the earthquake hit...watched the Cypress freeway collapse outside
the office window (horrible image)...at the time, Kaiser had their own
private
ds to their radio sites. They are arguing
>> that microwave will always win out over fiber. I can argue this both ways
>> depending on who is buttering my bread.
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2019 4:44 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
9 4:44 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
The lesson I am drawing from this discussion is “don’t put all
your eggs in one basket”. It seems like any given natural (or
man-made) disaster might have a greater impact
I can argue this both ways
> depending on who is buttering my bread.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2019 4:44 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
>
>
> The lesson I am drawing from this
Microwaves generate dognip.
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On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 4:41 PM Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 2/25/19 4:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > I have the hardest time convincing customers it’s not some exotic
> > microwave or antenna problem, it’s your dog chewed the cable
On 2/25/19 4:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I have the hardest time convincing customers it’s not some exotic
microwave or antenna problem, it’s your dog chewed the cable where it
goes into your house. Or the roofers you hired left the antenna
dangling from the cable off the edge of the roof.
is not immune.
From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 6:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
I’m working on building fiber networks.
I still prefer the wireless. It either works or it doesn’t. It’s
eir radio sites. They are arguing that microwave will
> always win out over fiber. I can argue this both ways depending on who is
> buttering my bread.
>
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 4:44 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [
depending on who is
buttering my bread.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 4:44 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
The lesson I am drawing from this discussion is “don’t put all your eggs in one
basket”. It seems like any given
be more immune or
quicker to restore. So a little of each might be best. Like FTTH plus
cellular as backup.
From: AF On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 4:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
I don't have
I don't have earthquake knowledge but I do know that when the US bombed the
crap or of Iraq a huge amount O of fiber was destroyed by the percussion of
the explosions. As a result all US bases that I know of were rebuilt using
heavy rigid conduit. Cost the fortunes.
I doubt there is any direct
UNR has an earthquake lab. No idea how much it costs to get time on the
equipment though outside of a research project (industry user). Probably
not cheap.
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@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake
Fiber vs Microwave
On 2/25/19 8:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I know I can throw a temp chunk of fiber on the ground and have
things up and running in an hour or two.
If you can gain entry to do that. Look at the major CA fire zones that
just
other it much. However
>>> most folks probably don't realize that handholes will burn. They are
>>> polymer concrete.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, February 25,
>>> 2019 9:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AF
t folks probably don't realize that handholes will burn. They are
>> polymer concrete.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, February 25,
>> 2019 9:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs
>> Microwave
>>
.
However most folks probably don't realize that handholes will burn.
They are polymer concrete.
-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, February
25, 2019 9:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake
Fiber vs Microwave
On 2/25/19 8:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
I would think that depends hugely upon the geography of the fiber run.
Fault zones in california can shift 9-12 feet in very tight shear in a
big one. Look at some of the pictures from the last quake in
] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
On 2/25/19 8:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I know I can throw a temp chunk of fiber on the ground and have things
up and running in an hour or two.
If you can gain entry to do that. Look at the major CA fire zones that
just happened: nobody was getting
hour if the conduit is good. We
frequently hit up to 300 feet per minute.
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 9:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
Chuck,
Asking for my own edification here. Let’s assume an earthquake did
t; bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 8:31 AM wrote:
>> I know I can throw a temp chunk of fiber on the ground and have things up
>> and running in an hour or two.
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Robert
>> S
ke the case that underground fiber will survive an
> earthquake
> > better than mountain top microwave for public safety uses.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 9:07 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re:
I know I can throw a temp chunk of fiber on the ground and have things up
and running in an hour or two.
-Original Message-
From: Robert
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 9:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
I would think that depends hugely
Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 9:07 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
On 2/25/19 7:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Anyone have some stories, perhaps from Alaska on earthquake
survivability of fiber and microwave?
I have to go
until we hear from folks that have actually
experienced what really happens.
-Original Message-
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 9:14 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
I have no data, but intuitively I would have guessed
Hoping for some stores from Alaska. Lots of both up there plus earthquakes.
-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 9:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
I'm not sure
will survive an
earthquake better than mountain top microwave for public safety uses.
-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 9:07 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
On 2/25/19 7:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Anyone have
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
On 2/25/19 7:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Anyone have some stories, perhaps from Alaska on earthquake
survivability of fiber and microwave?
I have to go to a meeting with some lawmakers later in the week to
make the case
Trying to make the case that underground fiber will survive an earthquake
better than mountain top microwave for public safety uses.
-Original Message-
From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 9:07 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave
On 2/25/19 7:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Anyone have some stories, perhaps from Alaska on earthquake
survivability of fiber and microwave?
I have to go to a meeting with some lawmakers later in the week to make
the case that fiber has some slack, fiber can be fixed quickly. Towers
can tilt
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