Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

On 3/1/18 6:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote: Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting to see play out, hopefully it does

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything in this country right? In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed freqs and how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost business due to provable radio interference, may be two totally

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Merca! Its what we do since we arent allowed to beat our wives anymore. On Mar 1, 2018 8:28 AM, "Seth Mattinen" wrote: > On 3/1/18 6:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > >> Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and >> incumbants operations. This fcc

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

We have a competitor that sent a somewhat similar letter up here in Minnesota. We ignored the letter and nothing happened. They also had such poor reviews on Facebook that they turned them off. They also yell at their customers and blame them for everything even when it's the ISP's fault. We are

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you. Jaime Solorza On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their > old customers fast enough. Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are > backed

Re: [AFMUG] OT Security fence

You know the rule. Pick two. bp On 2/28/2018 3:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: All of the below.  Just don’t want to spend $25K for 1300 feet of fence. *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 3:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

I did ... From: Keefe John Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:07 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors I wonder how many people emailed or called this guy now. He probably woke up to an inbox of hate mail. Keefe On March 1, 2018 9:59:21 AM CST,

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, but even if the new guys know that, there's a good chance that they're not going to want to go through the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their

[AFMUG] changing lomina intercace to integra OMT interface

We have two of these SAF Arkivator 11GHz D11ADMK01 LEAX OMT mounting kit for Andrew 11GHz VHLP(X) antenna On a 3' and a 4' antenna that currently has a lumina mount. I havent been able to find instructions anywhere to remove the lumina mount and install this thing in its place, there is what

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

did somebody say have some drinks and shoot off an email? Im hearing "have some drinks and shoot of an email" On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:12 AM, wrote: > I did ... [image: Winking smile] > > *From:* Keefe John > *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:07 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com >

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see at the end of the day, the letter recipients divvying up airebeams assets with some sanctions against the attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for

Re: [AFMUG] unsubscribe

Richard, Nobody has ever had that problem to my knowledge (failure to unsubscribe) My main tech has been out for a bit, but I will have him look this AM Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pedersen Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 6:52 PM To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any unlicensed frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb? On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not. If not you ought > to forward this to him. > > *From:*

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Any local judge would be preempted by FCC. From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

Some of the law covering this situation goes back centuries dealing with fishing and grazing rights. From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 8:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

I wonder how many people emailed or called this guy now. He probably woke up to an inbox of hate mail. Keefe On March 1, 2018 9:59:21 AM CST, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any >unlicensed >frequency. Is their lawyer

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

There's a whole county in Wisconsin who's trying to get 4.9 ghz Mikrotik's to service mobile police cars.  They've been working on it for the better part of 7 years and have invested over a million dollars into the project.  It still doesn't work. Keefe On 3/1/2018 2:05 PM, Mark Radabaugh

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

The first problem with this is the system probably isn’t even legal. Mikrotik doesn’t have any certifications in 4.9Ghz, let alone high-power mask. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 2:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

Steve strikes me as more of a Four Loko type of guy. -- Original Message -- From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/1/2018 3:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors Make sure you drink some really good craft beer with

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I mis-read your email and thought you said 'come shoot down' your 2.4 ghz APs.  That would have been even more hilarious. Keefe On 3/1/2018 2:58 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: What was your response to that threat? Mark Radabaugh wrote: I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

Steve, this response made me laugh for quite a while, thanks! Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 11:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam

[AFMUG] OT google file stream

I made the mistake of switching from backup and sync to google file stream. It wants to put local content on the C drive only. If you have not made the switch, I would recommend against it. I am trying to undo this.

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

What was your response to that threat? Mark Radabaugh wrote: I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us up and threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we were supposedly interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi to communicate with

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Toledo Ohio? Aren't you in FL? :) - Original Message - From: Mark Radabaugh To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us up and threatened

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

and it never will. But science and politicians don’t seem to go together very well. Mark > On Mar 1, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Keefe John wrote: > > There's a whole county in Wisconsin who's trying to get 4.9 ghz Mikrotik's to > service mobile police cars. They've been

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Title: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet CBB, Wrong Mark -- Best regards, Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com -- Thursday, March 1, 2018, 4:06:20 PM, you wrote:  Toledo Ohio?  Aren't you in FL? :)

[AFMUG] 39ghz

We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz Ceragon IP20. I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

My monocle just popped off. -- Original Message -- From: "Keefe John" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/1/2018 3:55:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet There's a whole county in Wisconsin who's trying to get 4.9 ghz Mikrotik's to service mobile police

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

On 3/1/18 12:58 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: What was your response to that threat? come at me bro

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

If you can find it, Blacorn Unidragon by Clown Shoes brewery is pretty high... 12-13% if I remember right. And it's a might-tasty too. A couple bombers of that and he'll be good an primed. On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > Steve strikes me as more of a

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle." bp On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty threat, and he has no intention

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

They use a lot of Ubiquiti equipment. Would be very hard to cut them off from Amazon for example. I know they have a large inventory of M series radios because our guys have taken them off the roof. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us up and threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we were supposedly interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi to communicate with police cars all over town. Pretty laughable given that we

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

Make sure you drink some really good craft beer with higher % before you make the call, lol On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > Do it! do it! > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Steve Jones > wrote: > >> did somebody say

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

I'd have to look up the exact range of frequencies, but I'm sure it doesn't go that low. -- Original Message -- From: "Adair Winter" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/1/2018 7:43:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz My thought was, is it possible to use it in any

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

I just went through this. You can use a symbolic link to move the cache directory for google drive file stream. Tutorial here.. https://imgur.com/a/cjScs Gerard On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:33 PM, wrote: > Yes, if you are a Google Drive user you will get nagged to change. > > You

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

We were notified by Google that drive would be disabled in some way but I can't remember how. On Thu, Mar 1, 2018, 5:13 PM Nate Burke wrote: > I have not changed to file stream, but I'm reading this as it will only go > on the C: drive and you can't change it. So if you

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

Everything I have I sync. All copies on all devices (including Google) are the same. Well, for Google Drive. Maybe they have something new now. Product ADD. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

I have not changed to file stream, but I'm reading this as it will only go on the C: drive and you can't change it. So if you have a small C drive, or are almost out of space, you're SOL. On 3/1/2018 5:51 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Everything I have I sync. All copies on all devices (including

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I’d still be shocked if it passes either specification and it has an FCC number. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 6:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet That's a good point but I think they are

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

PFFT,  Thats like using a screwdriver as a hammer. WTH! On 03/01/2018 02:55 PM, Keefe John wrote: There's a whole county in Wisconsin who's trying to get 4.9 ghz Mikrotik's to service mobile police cars.  They've been working on it for the better part of 7 years and have invested over a

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yes we do indeed. On Feb 28, 2018 10:14 PM, "Keefe John" wrote: We have a guy in Wisconsin who tries things like this. KJ On 2/28/2018 9:57 PM, Simon Westlake wrote: Not sure what they think they can enforce on unlicensed frequencies.. On 2/28/2018 9:39 PM, Rory

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

My thought was, is it possible to use it in any other freq range? Down to 23Ghz maybe? On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz > Ceragon IP20. I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

Yes, if you are a Google Drive user you will get nagged to change. You have two options: Backup and Sync - or - Google Drive File Stream You do NOT want the latter. It forces your Google Drive on to C: and hides it and will not allow you to move it to other drives. I did not realize

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

We'd need someone to reach out to ceragon and find out if it's possible to use it in another band. I know the radios were special made for straight path. On Mar 1, 2018 6:43 PM, "Adair Winter" wrote: > My thought was, is it possible to use it in any other freq

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

Letter came via FedEx with required signature. You'll get it soon On Mar 1, 2018 6:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" wrote: > I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though... > > >

[AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it went silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something happenning?

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

I've got a bottle of Bourbon County Stout sitting right here, 14.7% :) If you just want to get drunk, some Natty Rush would probably do the job as well... Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

Not with their equipment. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 5:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...

[AFMUG] Introduction

Evening all, I have been lurking in the shadows for the past couple of weeks. Just wanted to introduce myself and say that the amount of knowledge gained over that time alone (and reading some of the archives) has been helpful. I will try to contribute where I can, (fairly new in the space). My

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

Microsoft and Connect Americans Now are pushing it hard. Right now there's not many equipment manufacturers and the equipment is very expensive. None of the big guys want to put money into developing new hardware due to regulatory uncertainty. Keefe On March 1, 2018 8:34:21 PM CST, Steve

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though... Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

That's a good point but I think they are using some DBII 4.9 certified card. Keefe On 3/1/2018 4:57 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: The first problem with this is the system probably isn’t even legal.  Mikrotik doesn’t have any certifications in 4.9Ghz, let alone high-power mask. Rory *From:*Af

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

On 3/1/18 3:31 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

There are a number of African countries where 39 GHz can be licensed same as any other PTP. It could theoretically be licensed in Canada on special per-link permission basis, but given the short distances 39 GHz can go, you'd have to sell it to an operator that is in a small/remote city, needs

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

Never saw a product that was priced anywhere near a reasonable figure for AP and CPEs. For the money the typical WISP would be better off investing in some sort of series of micro-POP relays and cambium 900 MHz in select areas. The Carlson product pricing was *really* nuts. On Thu, Mar 1, 2018

Re: [AFMUG] CCS 60ghz PTMP AP and Sub pic from MWC -

Wow, I want these. Are they available yet? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Jason McKemie > wrote: > > http://www.ccsl.com/media/uploads/files/metnet60ghz-product-specification-v4.pdf > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:03 PM, TJ Trout

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

Spectrum is too limited, there are too many places where you can't get the guard bands you need. Restrictions on antenna height, equipment is too expensive, throughput never matched the hype, etc. etc. etc. bp On 3/1/2018 6:34 PM, Steve Jones wrote: This was

[AFMUG] AF-5 optimal config

Hello, I haven't ever deployed a AF-5 or AF-5U but a friend who owns a wisp is trying to deploy one, we don't have very much noise and he's only 3db off of 'optimal' as calculated by the AF-5's GPS and the thing will only pass about 20mbps of traffic @ 9 miles What is the aprox expected

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I think about 6 months ago... On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: > > > > > *Gino A. Villarini* > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > >

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

The equipment never really made it to market, I think because of the poor rules and the jack of spectrum... dead unless you want to do IOT type of stuff, isn't really qualified for broadband when your AP can only do 3-20mbps in 2018 On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Steve Jones

Re: [AFMUG] unsubscribe

Here is the exact un-subscribe link: UNSUBSCRIBE AFMUG LET ME GOOGLE THAT FOR YOU On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 7:10 AM, Paul McCall wrote: > Richard, > > > > Nobody has ever had that problem to my knowledge (failure to unsubscribe) > > >

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

Just keep operating it. Claim to be a Verizon sub contractor... From: Darin Steffl Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 7:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz Letter came via FedEx with required signature. You'll get it soon On Mar 1, 2018 6:48 PM, "Jason McKemie"

Re: [AFMUG] CCS 60ghz PTMP AP and Sub pic from MWC -

http://www.ccsl.com/media/uploads/files/metnet60ghz-product-specification-v4.pdf On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:03 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > Siklu? Link to PDF? Nothing published yet? > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Gino A. Villarini > wrote: > >> Thanks to

Re: [AFMUG] Introduction

Semper Fi!! Jump on in, water is nice...Dad and Brother ,USMC, son USAF and Grandpa US Army...lots of vets in this group Jaime Solorza On Mar 1, 2018 8:44 PM, "Jon Lee" wrote: > Evening all, > > I have been lurking in the shadows for the past couple of weeks. > >

Re: [AFMUG] Introduction

Welcome to the never ending party... From: Jon Lee Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 8:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Introduction Evening all, I have been lurking in the shadows for the past couple of weeks. Just wanted to introduce myself and say that the amount of knowledge

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

Screw that. I already uninstalled it and went to backup and sync. Didn’t really understand what extra benefit File Stream gives, if any. From: Gerard Dupont Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 8:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream I just went through this. You

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

it's available as part15 spectrum and there is equipment from a few manufacturers. BUT the TV broadcasters fought the rules so vigorously that it isn't very viable for consumer internet needs. the channel sizes are 6MHz (there might be channel bonding now to get it to 12MHz but i stopped paying

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

They're discontinuing the Google Drive application, the service still functions the same as far as I can tell. I'm using the Backup and Sync application now, and really can't tell much difference. On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:23 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > We were notified

[AFMUG] what was the process for WISPA email lists to get reinstated

Something keeps kicking me out but I went in, checked all my accounts, no problem. Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net "Yesterdays

Re: [AFMUG] CCS 60ghz PTMP AP and Sub pic from MWC -

Siklu? Link to PDF? Nothing published yet? On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Thanks to Andreas for the pic > > > > > *Gino A. Villarini* > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > >

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5 optimal config

With the lower gain of those antennas I think 9 miles is a bit far if interference rears its head. For speed, since it seems he's getting the required signal and little noise, check out this table:

Re: [AFMUG] Introduction

Welcome! Sent from my smartphone - Reply message - From: "Jon Lee" To: Subject: [AFMUG] Introduction Date: Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:43 PM Evening all,  I have been lurking in the shadows for the past couple of weeks.  Just wanted to introduce

[AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH

I on a somewhat regular basis (several times a year) need to be able to originate a US ACH payment to a vendor. My bank charges way too much in my opinion for this functionality, and it's a pain since we have to fill out forms and send them to them and they enter the data manually, and on and

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

He's still trying to get the glove off. bp On 3/1/2018 8:27 AM, Steve Jones wrote: where johnny Cochran

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty threat, and he has no intention of actually suing anybody. On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > I think this is

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

Do it! do it! On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > did somebody say have some drinks and shoot off an email? Im hearing "have > some drinks and shoot of an email" > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:12 AM, wrote: > >> I did ... [image:

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

This is how they should respond to the lawyer On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > He's still trying to get the glove off. > > > bp > > > On 3/1/2018 8:27 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > >> where johnny Cochran >> > >

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Ugly ass shoes... -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet He's still trying to get the glove off. bp On 3/1/2018 8:27 AM, Steve Jones wrote: where

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

It is totally an empty threat. They are banking on your ignorance of the law and your risk aversion. I would actually taunt them. “Bring it on MFs”. Make them spend some money on lawyers. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:51 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I'd like to see the vendors decide that it's not in their interest to continue to do business with them due to the possible liabilities... On 03/01/2018 09:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle." bp On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew