Re: [AFMUG] 450i integrated vs 450m
We have noticed that the uplink on all the subscribers on the 450m
consistently in the 30-33 dBm range. This is on a tower with a very high
ambient noise level, and we never got anywhere near that on the uplink with
anything else. We installed one yesterday that is only 2.3 miles from the
AP, and it is showing 40 dBm SNR on the uplink.
We are only running 80-100 Mbps each on a pair of APs, and it doesn't look
like it's anywhere near maxing out.
-bp
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On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
> We did recently. We swapped two 450i AP's pointed the same direction, each
> with about 60 subscribers, with a 450m AP. The 450i AP's would max out
> around 50mb/s downlink. Since the upgrade, the 450m AP runs about 150mb/s
> downlink all day with plenty of room for growth apparently. We added a ton
> of capacity and reclaimed 20mhz of spectrum in the process.
>
> The SM's before and after saw a slight increase in downlink modulation.
> The real improvement was in the uplink. The majority of SM's had 2x or 4x.
> After the upgrade they almost all went to 6x or 8x. I don't have any
> tangible data to share since our cnMaestro server only keeps one weeks
> worth of historical data.
>
> I should add, we are running MU-MIMO.
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:25 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
>> Anyone that has swapped a 450i sector with 450m what did the signal
>> levels and modulation rates look like after the change?
>>
>
>
Re: [AFMUG] 450i integrated vs 450m
We did recently. We swapped two 450i AP's pointed the same direction, each with about 60 subscribers, with a 450m AP. The 450i AP's would max out around 50mb/s downlink. Since the upgrade, the 450m AP runs about 150mb/s downlink all day with plenty of room for growth apparently. We added a ton of capacity and reclaimed 20mhz of spectrum in the process. The SM's before and after saw a slight increase in downlink modulation. The real improvement was in the uplink. The majority of SM's had 2x or 4x. After the upgrade they almost all went to 6x or 8x. I don't have any tangible data to share since our cnMaestro server only keeps one weeks worth of historical data. I should add, we are running MU-MIMO. On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:25 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > Anyone that has swapped a 450i sector with 450m what did the signal levels > and modulation rates look like after the change? >
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
Matt, I always ask, is this truly electrical downtilt, or just a built-in mechanical downtilt? I would expect electrical downtilt to maintain the downtilt angle across the entire horizontal beamwidth, while mechanical downtilt provides less downtilt at the edges. (Probably not a big deal for a 90 degree sector with 2 degrees of downtilt, it matters more with wider sectors and greater downtilt.) I usually have the guys downtilt Cambium sectors about 1.5 degrees, so 2 degrees is close to what we do already. But high risk of the tower climbers adding another 2 degrees leading to those of us who stay on the ground or back at the office going WTF when we don't get the range we expected. It would not be a bad idea to actually put a label on the antennas stating the built-in downtilt. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated The integrated 450i sector antenna does indeed have a 2 degree electrical downtilt. As noted below, it does have tremendous null-fill, as well as optimized Front-to-back isolation to allow frequency re-use patterns. Yes, this downtilt is a departure from our OEM antennas. This should appear in the spec sheet. I will update it so that it is clearly called out, as it is different. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:14 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is exactly what I saw. Also when using it in link planner it is showing optimum throughput for our current subscribers setting at 3 degrees up tilt. If old panel is used in Link Planner it shows -1 degrees down tilt. So I am guessing -4 electrical down tilt. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated The pattern on the spec sheet would lead you to believe yes, which is a departure for Cambium. It also shows null fill. I don't see a downtilt number on the spec sheet though. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:59 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Does this new 90 degree integrated sector have built in down tilt? Thanks Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B. You want the on in the attached Spec Sheet. The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector. The feedback I've heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain settings. So if your overdriving your gear - it might not be a good investment. Daniel White Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that's what you are looking for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast. com%2Fsig-email%3Futm_mediu
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
The integrated 450i sector antenna does indeed have a 2 degree electrical downtilt. As noted below, it does have tremendous null-fill, as well as optimized Front-to-back isolation to allow frequency re-use patterns. Yes, this downtilt is a departure from our OEM antennas. This should appear in the spec sheet. I will update it so that it is clearly called out, as it is different. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is exactly what I saw. Also when using it in link planner it is showing optimum throughput for our current subscribers setting at 3 degrees up tilt. If old panel is used in Link Planner it shows -1 degrees down tilt. So I am guessing -4 electrical down tilt. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated The pattern on the spec sheet would lead you to believe yes, which is a departure for Cambium. It also shows null fill. I don't see a downtilt number on the spec sheet though. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:59 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Does this new 90 degree integrated sector have built in down tilt? Thanks Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B. You want the on in the attached Spec Sheet. The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector. The feedback I've heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain settings. So if your overdriving your gear - it might not be a good investment. Daniel White Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that's what you are looking for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam [Image removed by sender.]<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast.com%2Fsig-email%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dlink%26utm_campaign%3Dsig-email%26utm_content%3Demailclient%26utm_term%3Dicon&data=01%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7Cce9d1e289df540d96b7308d3f91d4c7c%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C1&sdata=kv0IhmIZxHjbzoKpoyEzcYZ%2FAlHJcUZ%2FhIxlorB6bZE%3D&reserved=0> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast.com%2Fsig-email%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dlink%26utm_campaign%3Dsig-email%26utm_content%3Demailclient%26utm_term%3Dlink&data=01%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7Cce9d1e289df540d96b7308d3f91d4c7c%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C1&sdata=uq4PY4Y%2BQg9%2Bn0j%2BitNeLxsPCLAjFqOjmmtTd29PLpM%3D&reserved=0>
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
That is exactly what I saw. Also when using it in link planner it is showing optimum throughput for our current subscribers setting at 3 degrees up tilt. If old panel is used in Link Planner it shows -1 degrees down tilt. So I am guessing -4 electrical down tilt. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated The pattern on the spec sheet would lead you to believe yes, which is a departure for Cambium. It also shows null fill. I don't see a downtilt number on the spec sheet though. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Does this new 90 degree integrated sector have built in down tilt? Thanks Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B. You want the on in the attached Spec Sheet. The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector. The feedback I've heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain settings. So if your overdriving your gear - it might not be a good investment. Daniel White Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that's what you are looking for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Image removed by sender. Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
The pattern on the spec sheet would lead you to believe yes, which is a departure for Cambium. It also shows null fill. I don't see a downtilt number on the spec sheet though. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Does this new 90 degree integrated sector have built in down tilt? Thanks Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B. You want the on in the attached Spec Sheet. The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector. The feedback I've heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain settings. So if your overdriving your gear - it might not be a good investment. Daniel White Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that's what you are looking for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
I asked Matt. It has null-fill just like the Laird. It's the same basic design as the ePMP 2000 sector. The 450m has null-fill on the beams as well. On 10/20/2016 1:58 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: Does this new 90 degree integrated sector have built in down tilt? Thanks Adam *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B. You want the on in the attached Spec Sheet. The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector. The feedback I�ve heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain settings. So if your overdriving your gear � it might not be a good investment. Daniel White Managing Director � Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies__ Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that�s what you are looking for. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link>
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
Does this new 90 degree integrated sector have built in down tilt? Thanks Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B. You want the on in the attached Spec Sheet. The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector. The feedback I've heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain settings. So if your overdriving your gear - it might not be a good investment. Daniel White Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that's what you are looking for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
We had one in our booth. I don’t recall if Cambium had one in their booth or not. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Whoa, why was this new integrated sector not on display at the WISPA show? They had the integrated square one (looks like an iSM) but i definetely did not see that integrated tall sector. On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: I was unaware they had a new model. Is it a new and improved version replacing the original, or are they two different products? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B. You want the on in the attached Spec Sheet. The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector. The feedback I’ve heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain settings. So if your overdriving your gear – it might not be a good investment. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that’s what you are looking for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> www.avast.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
Whoa, why was this new integrated sector not on display at the WISPA show? They had the integrated square one (looks like an iSM) but i definetely did not see that integrated tall sector. On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > I was unaware they had a new model. Is it a new and improved version > replacing the original, or are they two different products? > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White > *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 6:11 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated > > > > I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end > of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B. You want the on in the > attached Spec Sheet. > > > > The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated > model and the Cambium 5GHz sector. The feedback I’ve heard has been mostly > positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX > power by playing with the antenna gain settings. So if your overdriving > your gear – it might not be a good investment. > > > > Daniel White > > Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales > > ConVergence Technologies > > Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 > > dwh...@converge-tech.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband > *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated > > > > That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the > intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance > of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is > giving great results? > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated > > > > Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience > thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. > > > > You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you > are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. > > Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe > and F/B performance if that’s what you are looking for. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband > *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450i Integrated > > > > Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) > with a 450i Integrated? > > > > I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of > performance improvement? > > > > Thanks > > > > Adam > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> > > >
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
Late Q1 2017 :-) Daniel White Managing Director Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Any word about the low cost full band SM? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 7:27 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I asked Matt when I was at HQ a couple weeks ago and he said this is replacing the old 450i integrated AP. You can't even buy those anymore. It's a -3dB 90 and no coax to seal. What's not to like? If the radio fails, so what, swap the whole thing. That's what we do with regular 450 APs when something goes wrong anyway. On 10/17/2016 6:46 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I was unaware they had a new model.� Is it a new and improved version replacing the original, or are they two different products? � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated � I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B.� You want the on in the attached Spec Sheet. � The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector.� The feedback I�ve heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain settings.� So if your overdriving your gear � it might not be a good investment. � Daniel White Managing Director � Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated � That is the type of information I need.� I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor.� We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001.� That begs the question.� What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated � Why would you do that?� I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. � You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that�s what you� are looking for. � � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated � Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? � I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? � Thanks � Adam � <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> www.avast.com � --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
SOON! Nah, I have no idea. Next year some time. I do recall that it will
be the full 4940-5925 like the 450i though.
On 10/17/2016 8:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Any word about the �low cost� full band SM?
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 7:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
I asked Matt when I was at HQ a couple weeks ago and he said this is
replacing the old 450i integrated AP. You can't even buy those anymore.
It's a -3dB 90 and no coax to seal. What's not to like? If the radio
fails, so what, swap the whole thing. That's what we do with regular
450 APs when something goes wrong anyway.
On 10/17/2016 6:46 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I was unaware they had a new model.� Is it a new and improved
version replacing the original, or are they two different products?
�
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
*Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 6:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
�
I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at
the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B.� You
want the on in the attached Spec Sheet.
�
The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old
integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector.� The feedback
I�ve heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated
model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with
the antenna gain settings.� So if your overdriving your gear �
it might not be a good investment.
�
Daniel White
Managing Director � Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>
�
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
�
That is the type of information I need.� I was not aware the
specs on the intergraded were poor.� We have never been very
happy with the performance of the 85009324001.� That begs the
question.� What 90 degree antenna is giving great results?
�
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
�
Why would you do that?� I thought the integrated was more of a
convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B
performance.
�
You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna
if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels.
Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better
sidelobe and F/B performance if that�s what you� are looking for.
�
�
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
�
Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model
85009324001) with a 450i Integrated?
�
I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level
of performance improvement?
�
Thanks
�
Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
Any word about the low cost full band SM? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 7:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I asked Matt when I was at HQ a couple weeks ago and he said this is replacing the old 450i integrated AP. You can't even buy those anymore. It's a -3dB 90 and no coax to seal. What's not to like? If the radio fails, so what, swap the whole thing. That's what we do with regular 450 APs when something goes wrong anyway. On 10/17/2016 6:46 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I was unaware they had a new model.� Is it a new and improved version replacing the original, or are they two different products? � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated � I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B.� You want the on in the attached Spec Sheet. � The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector.� The feedback I�ve heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain settings.� So if your overdriving your gear � it might not be a good investment. � Daniel White Managing Director � Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated � That is the type of information I need.� I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor.� We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001.� That begs the question.� What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated � Why would you do that?� I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. � You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that�s what you� are looking for. � � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated � Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? � I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? � Thanks � Adam � <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> www.avast.com �
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I asked Matt when I was at HQ a couple weeks ago and he said this is replacing the old 450i integrated AP. You can't even buy those anymore. It's a -3dB 90 and no coax to seal. What's not to like? If the radio fails, so what, swap the whole thing. That's what we do with regular 450 APs when something goes wrong anyway. On 10/17/2016 6:46 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I was unaware they had a new model. Is it a new and improved version replacing the original, or are they two different products? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 6:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B. You want the on in the attached Spec Sheet. The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector. The feedback I�ve heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain settings. So if your overdriving your gear � it might not be a good investment. Daniel White Managing Director � Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies__ Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that�s what you are looking for. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link>
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That is not the one I was seeing. This one looks good. Thanks Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B. You want the on in the attached Spec Sheet. The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector. The feedback I've heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain settings. So if your overdriving your gear - it might not be a good investment. Daniel White Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that's what you are looking for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> www.avast.com
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Never mind, I looked at the picture in the attached spec sheet, and answered my own question. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I was unaware they had a new model. Is it a new and improved version replacing the original, or are they two different products? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B. You want the on in the attached Spec Sheet. The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector. The feedback I've heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain settings. So if your overdriving your gear - it might not be a good investment. Daniel White Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that's what you are looking for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> www.avast.com
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I was unaware they had a new model. Is it a new and improved version replacing the original, or are they two different products? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B. You want the on in the attached Spec Sheet. The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector. The feedback I've heard has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain settings. So if your overdriving your gear - it might not be a good investment. Daniel White Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that's what you are looking for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
We have been very happy with the KP performance 90 degree on the 450i 900mhz From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that's what you are looking for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
What aspect of the performance are you unhappy with? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that's what you are looking for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
That is the type of information I need. I was not aware the specs on the intergraded were poor. We have never been very happy with the performance of the 85009324001. That begs the question. What 90 degree antenna is giving great results? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that's what you are looking for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated
Why would you do that? I thought the integrated was more of a convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance. You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels. Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B performance if that's what you are looking for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 450i Integrated? I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of performance improvement? Thanks Adam
