Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023, 01:57 Alan Grimes wrote: Well, a lot of us are in USA-istan where "racism" has taken on very > communist overtones. It is basically a poisoned term that has been > recognized as an attack against anyone who is not a rabid communist. > Therefore any good and proper American

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

YKY (Yan King Yin, 甄景贤) wrote: On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 22:15 James Bowery > wrote: Every second that ticks by without this happening is a crime against humanity akin to Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber: https://youtu.be/edIi6hYpUoQ?t=311 I know how to

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 6:42 AM YKY (Yan King Yin, 甄景贤) < generic.intellige...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I know how to build AGI, I can almost do it alone, but I want to find some > collaborators. > I know how too. But I don't have $1 quadrillion. Even if I did, setting policy has to be a global

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 22:15 James Bowery wrote: > > Every second that ticks by without this happening is a crime against > humanity akin to Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber: > > https://youtu.be/edIi6hYpUoQ?t=311 > I know how to build AGI, I can almost do it alone, but I want to find some

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

On Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 00:20 James Bowery wrote: > No, my opinion of your characterization of the term "racist" has nothing > to do with your race. Your characterization is simply wrong as can be made > obvious by the characterization of my "white supremacist" statement > regarding the "moral

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 10:56 AM Matt Mahoney wrote: > ...judge people by their appearance and anyone who says they don't is > lying. > Judgement is decision. Sequential Decision Theory's aspect of AIXI requires a utility function aka value system. Even if we could all agree on what IS the

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 11:55 PM Matt Mahoney wrote: > How would you eliminate racism and sexism? It is already illegal to make > important decisions based on race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, etc. > in many developed countries. This hasn't stopped people from being biased. > I am at

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 11:43 AM WriterOfMinds wrote: > I don't have any great fear of what IS or of letting other people know > what IS. But with regards to the specific issue we're discussing, I > consider the question of what IS at a racial level irrelevant, since it > should not affect

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

I don't have any great fear of what IS or of letting other people know what IS. But with regards to the specific issue we're discussing, I consider the question of what IS at a racial level irrelevant, since it should not affect decisions. Therefore answering it is not important; if you aren't

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 10:13 AM Jenny Sue Hane wrote: > Many of the statistics you're repeating here could be a case of > correlation rather than causation > The Algorithmic Information Criterion is the best we can do in selecting between causal models of the world as reflected in whatever

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

On Tuesday, June 27, 2023, at 9:55 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > I am at least aware of my own biases, but that hasn't stopped me from being > biased. I judge people by their appearance and anyone who says they don't is > lying. But we aren't talking about you, are we? We're talking about AGI,

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

How would you eliminate racism and sexism? It is already illegal to make important decisions based on race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, etc. in many developed countries. This hasn't stopped people from being biased. I am at least aware of my own biases, but that hasn't stopped me from being

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

Many of the statistics you're repeating here could be a case of correlation rather than causation, so by themselves they don't mean much. But that's not even the point. Using sexual or racial stereotypes (even when they are realistic) to make important decisions denies due process to the

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

The relevant topic here is not who on this list is racist. It is how racism should be handled by AGI. A language model learns to predict or compress text by constructing a model of the world as it is known to humans. Humans are universally racist. People prefer friends, neighbors, and usually

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

Here's what's boring: None of the folks who want to yammer endlessly about various violations of the moral zeitgeist want to get serious about the IS vs OUGHT distinction in AI ethics. When I try to get them to talk seriously about this issue, they start questioning my motives. You are a prime

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 11:17 PM James Bowery wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 1:28 AM YKY (Yan King Yin, 甄景贤) < > generic.intellige...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't know why you add the word "male" in selection because females are >> also subject to selection. That is sexist. >> > > Oh good

Re: [agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 1:28 AM YKY (Yan King Yin, 甄景贤) < generic.intellige...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 21:41 James Bowery wrote: > > I'm on the side of sex but there being no word for sex anymore, due to the >> sleazy moral zeitgeist's connotation loading, here's a clue: >> >>

[agi] AGI and racism [was: Problem when trying to combine reinforcement learning with language models]

On Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 21:41 James Bowery wrote: I'm on the side of sex but there being no word for sex anymore, due to the > sleazy moral zeitgeist's connotation loading, here's a clue: > > I'm on the side of individual male intrasexual selection in the state of > nature as the appeal of last