On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 1:59 PM Boris Kazachenko wrote:
> We must define a process in which language can emerge from incrementally
> complex encoding of analog sensory input. Anything short of that is a
> cargo-cult AI.
>
We have to work on ptoblems we can solve. Anything short of that is
Hi David
Thank you for your response. Comments within.
Robert
From: David Whitten
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2019 9:38 PM
To: AGI
Subject: Re: [agi] Yours truly, the world's brokest researcher, looks for a bit
of credit
see interspersed comments
On Fri, Mar 15,
Mr Kazachenko said:
"We must define a process in which language can emerge from incrementally
complex encoding of analog sensory input. Anything short of that is a
cargo-cult AI."
Yes indeed. I have a way and it is being optimized as we speak
--
Boris,
the biological one should be emulated
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/11/27/478644.full.pdf
On 18.03.2019 02:56, Boris Kazachenko wrote:
We must define a process in which language can emerge from
incrementally complex encoding of analog sensory input. Anything short
Linas. Thank you for your thought-provoking response.
You sated: "So the question I'd like to pose: is there AI tech available to the
common man, that can serve as protective against mass hysteria, can amplify
quality problem solving? How could that work? Can we make everyone 1% smarter,
I guess I should add that I think strong AI may start out with simple
'principles/ or methods but it might start out with very complicated
principles and methods as well. I do not think an attitude that animal
physiology -must- be simple is very realistic. However, I do not see any
good evidence
This argument from Robert Levy is not quite right, in my opinion. While
most animals do not have a sophisticated language, it can be seen that
animals are capable of learning about routine events and attach meaning to
linguistic cues (or other kinds of sensory events like bells) to those
routine
Excellent post Robert! I'm in 110% agreement, except for the 15% where I'm
not.
Re: the South Africa story - love it! For some reason, you did not point
out the obvious: extremely low-IQ chatbots can be used to amplify evil
messages, spread propaganda, encourage brainwashing. Even mild advances
Robert and Mike and others
It is to be expected that when a global, existential AI threat is publicly
decreed over humankind by thought leaders and industrial giants, panic would
ensue. My deeper concern is of what might probably be happening with the
technology while the bar-room banter
Hmmm ... one year the American Breeder Service billboard
near here said, "AI has completely changed the cow."
Might work that into a bar pick-up line.
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, Colin Hales wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:25 AM Mike Archbold
On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:25 AM Mike Archbold wrote:
> I remember when most people didn't know what "AI" meant.
>
> Now, it's the stuff of bar pickup lines.
>
*LOL*
Into the noise of the bar you say "*Hi, I'm into AI*." ... with red-lined
suavity.
"*Wow! Are you? Do you really know that?
I remember when most people didn't know what "AI" meant.
Now, it's the stuff of bar pickup lines.
On 3/15/19, Robert Levy wrote:
> See attached image, this is the best commentary I've seen on the topic of
> that media circus...
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 11:54 PM Nanograte Knowledge
See attached image, this is the best commentary I've seen on the topic of
that media circus...
On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 11:54 PM Nanograte Knowledge Technologies <
nano...@live.com> wrote:
> The living thread through the cosmos and all of creation resound of
> communication. The unified field has
David
Given certain requirements were met, information could be given a lifecycle all
on its own. We could but speculate as to its intent, or choose to remain highly
critical of all unscientific "reports". The latter statement made in the sense
that science is practiced as the public
I wonder if the incident was hyped so Facebook would be in the news for
something other than scandal.
I think one of the miracles about our ability to write down ideas and
communicate is that
the message becomes reified as a separate object that can continue to be
sent independently of
the
Hi David
I was paraphrasing what a senior technical representative at Facebook himself
said about the incident. His view was the chatbots developed their own language
and communicated out of scope of the laid-down script. In other words, seems
the door was somehow left open for them to expand
You have a different meaning for "volition" than I do.
The Facebook chatbots had no choice to communicate with each other.
I think the aforementioned communication was a stimulus-response model.
The secret language was just a pattern recognition where signals that had
no
significance replaced
The sensory system may be seen as a method of encoding sensory events or a
kind of symbolic language.
Yes, but there is a huge difference between designing / evolving such
language in a strictly incremental fashion for intra-system use, and trying
to decode language that evolved for very
True, language is a rare dish whose recipe includes intelligence; it
adapts to knowledge and it is a complex space too.
At the very least, some languages are more modern that the contents of
their corpus.
On 08.03.2019 17:12, Matt Mahoney wrote:
Language is essential to every job that we might
Language is essential to every job that we might use AGI for. There is no
job that you could do without the ability to communicate with people. Even
guide dogs and bomb sniffing dogs have to understand verbal commands.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 7:25 PM Robert Levy wrote:
> It's very easy to show
I ride a bicycle. I am always applying sports psychology to the highest degree
and 24/7.
My foot print is very small in this world. I am 60 years old and rid to work
and back, to the
market and back. Ten miles a day, about. My car just collects dust.
I am a master of human psychology.
No
"It's very easy to show that "AGI should not be designed for NL".
No, it's not easy. Most "AGI researchers" here don't even get a simple fact
that intelligence is not skills and knowledge but the ability to learn
them.
Action / controlling environment is not necessary and should be
instrumental
How many of you AGI researchers are driving old cars? You know, you
have to add fluids at every fuel stop (oil and coolant leaking) and
depend on the radio to drown out rattles and clunks?
On 3/7/19, Stefan Reich via AGI wrote:
> Not from you guys necessarily... :o) But I thought I'd let you
It's very easy to show that "AGI should not be designed for NL". Just ask
yourself the following questions:
1. How many species demonstrate impressive leverage of intentional
behaviors? (My answer would be: all of them, though some more than others)
2. How many species have language (My answer:
Actually the "I ate pizza with {a fork|pepperoni|Bob}" example in your
slides is mine. But you can credit Doug Lenat with "The police arrested the
demonstrators because they {feared|advocated} violence".
NLP is not AGI but it is an important component of it. It's a good place to
start. But you
I would be more than happy to pay:
https://github.com/boris-kz/CogAlg/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md , but I
don't think you are working on AGI.
No one here does, this is a NLP chatbot crowd. Anyone who thinks that AGI
should be designed for NL data as a primary input is profoundly confused.
On
Not from you guys necessarily... :o) But I thought I'd let you know.
Pitch:
https://www.meetup.com/Artificial-Intelligence-Meetup/messages/boards/thread/52050719
Let's see if it can be done... funny how some hurdles always seem to appear
when you're about to finish something good. Something
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