Re: [agi] AI Propoganda Machine won the 2016 elections!

2017-02-14 Thread Ben Goertzel
Given my experience with ML and NLP, I would say that 1) psychometric and ML techniques are not going to be able to find subtle stuff or make subtle manipulations 2) these methods are going to require expert utilization ... expert selection of features for the algorithms, expert decision on what

Re: [agi] IIT: Conscious Programming Structures

2017-02-14 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
Why give AGI the credit when it remains the work of smart people who figured out how to automate public opinion? The logic for this is at least 10 years old. This does not qualify the machine to be credited with consciousness. I think it more resembles a magic show, where it uses illusions to tr

[agi] AI Propoganda Machine won the 2016 elections!

2017-02-14 Thread Logan Streondj
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 AI won for Brexit AND Trump! Namely Cambridge Analytica, whose most public face is Steve Bannon. https://scout.ai/story/the-rise-of-the-weaponized-ai-propaganda-machine The good news is that this administration is likely going to be pro-AI, becau

Re: [agi] IIT: Conscious Programming Structures

2017-02-14 Thread justcamel
Every time you are about to fall asleep, you (the awareness that is observing and identifying with the "Jim Bromer" input stream) is decoupled from this particular experience. With a little bit of practice you can learn to control what happens after said decoupling and it becomes obvious that y

Re: [agi] IIT: Conscious Programming Structures

2017-02-14 Thread Jim Bromer
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Jim Bromer wrote: >> A human being is nothing but a very complex rock. Both are just >> objects/processes happening within consciousness without requiring anybody >> to "do them". There is nobody doing "Jim Bromer". > > Whaaa??? Wait a minute...I'm not sure I concu

Re: [agi] IIT: Conscious Programming Structures

2017-02-14 Thread Jim Bromer
> A human being is nothing but a very complex rock. Both are just > objects/processes happening within consciousness without requiring anybody > to "do them". There is nobody doing "Jim Bromer". Whaaa??? Wait a minute...I'm not sure I concur with that either... Jim Bromer On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at

Re: [agi] IIT: Conscious Programming Structures

2017-02-14 Thread justcamel
Consciousness is not a physical byproduct. Your experience of this physical reality happens within and is a "byproduct" of consciousness just like Super Mario implemented in FPGA is a "byproduct" of and happening within FPGA. Rocks, cars, cats and human beings appear within consciousness - rock

Re: [agi] IIT: Conscious Programming Structures

2017-02-14 Thread Jim Bromer
Well again you are talking about interesting concepts like passive consciousness (or low phi - that's a great expression). But does that actually make sense? Wouldn't passive consciousness be zombie like? You are suggesting that there may be something in between but which has very limited effects.