Here are some examples in FOL:
Mary is female
female(mary)
Could be
Inheritance Mary female
or
Evaluation female mary
(the latter being equivalent to female(mary) )
but none of these has an uncertain truth value attached...
This is a [production] rule: (not to be confused with an
On Saturday 31 May 2008 10:23:15 pm, Matt Mahoney wrote:
Unfortunately AI will make CAPTCHAs useless against spammers. We will need
to figure out other methods. I expect that when we have AI, most of the
world's computing power is going to be directed at attacking other computers
and
From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unfortunately AI will make CAPTCHAs useless against spammers. We will
need to figure out other methods. I expect that when we have AI, most
of the world's computing power is going to be directed at attacking
other computers and defending against
From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You are - if I've understood you - talking about the machinery and
programming that produce and help to process the movie of
consciousness.
I'm not in any way denying all that or its complexity. But the first
thing
is to define and model
During the past few years, I have often made critical
remarks about AI theories that suggested that some basic method, and especially
some rather simple objective method (like reinforcement) could be used to
produce higher intelligence without a further examination and rendering of
ideological
From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- On Sun, 6/1/08, John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AI has a long way to go to thwart CAPTCHAs altogether.
There are math CAPTCHAs (MAPTCHAs), 3-D CAPTCHAs, image rec CAPTCHAs,
audio and I can think
of some that are quite difficult for
Ben, Thanks for the answers.
One more question about the term atom used in OpenCog.
In logic an atom is a predicate applied to some arguments, for example:
female(X)
female(mary)
female(mother(john))
etc.
Truth values only apply to propositions, but they may consist of
only single
On 6/2/08, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you give an example of something expressed in PLN that
is very hard or impossible to express in FOL?
Mary is probably female
Not impossible, as Ben says, just awkward. The problem is that nearly every
statement has uncertain truth
Josh,
On 5/30/08, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You'd get a hell of a lot better resolution with an e-beam blowing up
nanometer-sized spots, and feeding the ejecta thru a mass spectrometer.
Yes, but all your spectrometer will see is hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon. The
e-beam will
Ben,
I just LOVE your posting, because it asks exactly the right questions.
On 5/31/08, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that brain scanning is an interesting and important
technology/research direction, but I don't see why you think it is
easier to create than AGI.
I think
Originally sent several days back...
Why do I believe anyone besides me is conscious? Because they are made of
meat? No, it's because they claim to be conscious, and answer questions about
their consciousness the same way I would, given my own conscious
experience -- and they have the same
From: J Storrs Hall, PhD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why do I believe anyone besides me is conscious? Because they are made
of
meat? No, it's because they claim to be conscious, and answer questions
about
their consciousness the same way I would, given my own conscious
experience -- and they
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, this is not a variant of the analog is fundamentally different from
digital category.
Each of the things that I mentioned could be implemented digitally --
however, they are entirely new classes of things to consider and
Quotes like this make me shake my head:
Friston’s results have earned praise for bringing together so many
disparate strands of neuroscience. “It is quite certainly the most
advanced conceptual framework regarding an application of these
ideas to brain function in general,” says Wennekers.
On Jun 1, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Mark Waser wrote:
I find it very interesting that you can't even answer a straight yes-
or-no question without resorting to obscuring BS and inventing
strawmen.
By obscuring BS and inventing strawmen I assume you mean answers
that do not fit into your narrow
Many seem to think that once a machine is conscious it will have
volition or a will of its own. I've argued before that if a machine
does not operate with biological hardware like that of a human it will
not desire nor want anything, because it is a thinking entity, that in
the beginning stages of
I'll respond to other points tomorrow or the day after (am currently
on a biz trip through Asia), but just one thing now... You say
With NO money, none of either of our efforts stands a chance. With some
realistic investment money, scanning would at minimum be cheap insurance
that you will be
Do OpenCog atoms roughly correspond to logical atoms?
Not really
And what is the counterpart of (logic) propositions in OpenCog?
ExtensionalImplication relations I guess...
I suggest don't use non-standard terminology 'cause it's very confusing...
So long as it's well-defined, I guess it's
Ben Goertzel wrote:
This stuff is important, but has been around in the literature for years now...
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:59 AM, David Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2008/05/do_bayesian_statisti.html
This week's New Scientist has a fascinating article on a
Thanks. It would be nice to have an explanation of Friston's claims, e.g:
Meanwhile, Friston claims that the free-energy principle also gives plausible
explanations for other important features of the cortex. These include
adaptation effects, in which neurons stop firing after prolonged
I have briefly surveyed the research on uncertain reasoning, and found
out that no one has a solution to the entire problem. Ben and Pei
Wang may be working towards their solutions but a satisfactory one may
be difficult to find.
I think the PLN / indefinite probabilities approach is a
This stuff is important, but has been around in the literature for years now...
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:59 AM, David Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2008/05/do_bayesian_statisti.html
This week's New Scientist has a fascinating article on a possible 'grand
John:Just conscious is too simple. It's too umbrella. A rock is conscious.
Is there an agent specific uniqueness to consciousness? No one is conscious
like me. And they all are unique as I am not conscious as they are... The
uniqueness may be a defining factor. Unreplicable and non-simulatable.
--- On Sun, 6/1/08, John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK How about this. A CAPTCHA that combines human audio and
visual illusion that evokes a realtime reaction only in a conscious
physical human. Can audio visual illusion be used as a test for
consciousness? Could it be used to evoke a
You insist it is valuable to add objectively functionless features, and
you have hard time explaining what features are supposedly missing if we
*don't* implement things that lack functionality.
Yeah. Those pesky chemicals like adrenaline etc. have absolutely no
objective function whatsoever
From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- On Sun, 6/1/08, John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK How about this. A CAPTCHA that combines human audio and
visual illusion that evokes a realtime reaction only in a conscious
physical human. Can audio visual illusion be used as a test
On 06/01/2008 03:42 PM, John G. Rose wrote:
A rock is conscious.
Okay, I'll bite. How are rocks conscious under Josh's definition or any
other non-LSD-tripping-or-batshit-crazy definition?
---
agi
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From: j.k. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 06/01/2008 03:42 PM, John G. Rose wrote:
A rock is conscious.
Okay, I'll bite. How are rocks conscious under Josh's definition or any
other non-LSD-tripping-or-batshit-crazy definition?
The way you phrase your question indicates your
On Jun 1, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Richard Loosemore wrote:
But this statement is such a blatant contradiction of all the
known facts about neurons, that I am surprised that abyone would try
to defend it. Real neurons are complicated, and their actual
functional role in the brain is still
On Jun 1, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Mark Waser wrote:
Yeah. Those pesky chemicals like adrenaline etc. have absolutely no
objective function whatsoever and absolutely zero effect on the
functioning
of the brain.
Reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit. Describe the
function of
On Jun 1, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Mark Waser wrote:
What if the brain truly is a conglomeration of many complex
interacting
pieces?
Are we using the pedestrian sense of complex when talking about
computational models and AI? Seems like an inappropriate overloading
of its more technical and
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:28 PM, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why do I believe anyone besides me is conscious? Because they are made of
meat? No, it's because they claim to be conscious, and answer questions about
their consciousness the same way I would, given my own conscious
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