> I think that at first sight this goes to support my position in the original
> argument with Ben- namely that there are all kinds of ways to get at or read
> minds, and there is now an increasing momentum to do that.
Being able to read the stream of subvocalizations coming out from a person's
mi
Gary Miller"Nasa research et al are already able to read voice
subvocalizations.
While not reading the mind directly it does offer a method for a computer to
monitor any sub vocalization and accept silent commands
This is fascinating. The first question it raises is: how much of thought is
*not
Nasa research et al are already able to read voice subvocalizations.
While not reading the mind directly it does offer a method for a computer to
monitor any sub vocalization and accept silent commands.
It would also seem to be a boon for handicapped people who have lost use of
their arms for typ
On 12/24/07, Bryan Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The entire idea of mindreading is peculiar. Haven't you ever had a
> moment when you've wondered if you like somebody? When you realize that
> such simple separations just don't matter and apply, that you can't
> even read your own mind in that
On Saturday 22 December 2007, Philip Goetz wrote:
> If we define "mindreading" as knowing whether someone is telling the
> truth, whether someone likes you, or is sexually attracted to you, or
> recognizes you; knowing whether someone is paying attention; knowing
> whether someone is reasoning logi
Oh - I haven't read the report, but I did look into the state of the
art of BCI several months ago. Some things I remember:
- Arrays can receive pulses from at most 100 neurons.
- Wireless devices don't have enough bandwidth to transmit the pulses
from more than about 100 neurons. Even doing th
On Dec 14, 2007 9:07 AM, Benjamin Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just to be clear: I am sure that mindreading technology is coming,
> it's your relative
> timing estimate that perplexes me...
Wasn't me that said it, but...
If we define "mindreading" as knowing whether someone is telling th
China is the 21st century America. Hugo DeGaris' system is quite
interesting, and I even had a go at re-implementing some of it based
upon the code on his web site. It's quite fun to watch the neural
networks growing and then running.
On 15/12/2007, Benjamin Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would add that the Chinese universities are extremely eager to
recruit Western professors to lead research labs in AI and other
areas.
Hugo DeGaris relocated there a year or so ago, and is quite relieved
to be supplied with a bunch of excellent research assistants and loads
of computational fire
Ben said
>> That is sarcasm ... however, it's also my serious hypothesis as to why
the Chinese gov't doesn't mind losing their best & brightest... >>
It may also be that China understands too that as more Chinese become
Americans, China will have a greater exposure and political lobby within
That is sarcasm ... however, it's also my serious hypothesis as to why
the Chinese gov't doesn't mind losing their best & brightest...
-- Ben
On Dec 14, 2007 7:35 PM, Robin Gane-McCalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is that sarcasm or an official Communist Party platform?
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2007 3:4
Is that sarcasm or an official Communist Party platform?
On Dec 14, 2007 3:48 PM, Benjamin Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Is China pushing its people into being smarter? Are they giving
> > incentives beyond the US-style capitalist reasons for being smart?
> >
>
> The incentive is th
On Friday 14 December 2007, Mike Dougherty wrote:
> Are there any efforts at using Nootropic drugs in a 'brain
> enhancement race' ? I haven't heard about it, but then I wouldn't
> because the program would be kept secret.
There might be one behind the scenes. *cough*
- Bryan
-
This list is
On Friday 14 December 2007, Benjamin Goertzel wrote:
> But, we're still quite clueless about how to, say, hook the brain up
> to a calculator or to Google in a useful way... due to having a
> vastly insufficiently detailed knowledge of how the brain carries out
> cognitive operations...
While over
>
> Is China pushing its people into being smarter? Are they giving
> incentives beyond the US-style capitalist reasons for being smart?
>
The incentive is that if you get smart enough, you may figure out a way
to get out of China ;-)
Thus, they let the top .01% out, so as to keep the rest of th
On Dec 14, 2007 10:07 AM, Benjamin Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If we're not making people smarter with currently available resources,
> > why would we invest in research to discover expensive new technologies
> > to make people smarter? We need that money to invest in research for
> >
Ben:What do you think the mushrooming of Cognitive Science during the last
decade has been? Science does recognize thought as a critical area
of study. It's just a difficult thing to study.
That's what they said about consciousness. Consciousness became a serious
area of study largely because
> Bear in mind that science has used very little imagination here to date.
> Science only started studying consciousness ten years ago. It still hasn't
> started studying "Thought" - the actual contents of consciousness: the
> streams of thought inside people's heads. In both cases, the reason has
Ben: > What is the empirical grounds for your optimism?
Not much other than the fact that they have started to do it. And if you can
signal one command to a machine, then, it strikes me, there should in the
end be no limit to the commands that can be signalled.
Perhaps we should distinguish
A couple good articles
Soemthing like the las one might be applied directly to teaching an AGI
movement, or how to learn new things.
Second Life Brain Interface
http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/10/brain-computer-interface-for-second-life/
Paralyzed Main BCI
http://www.nature.com/news/2004/
Mike:
> Making the general public smarter is not in the best interest of
> government, who wants to keep us fat dumb and (relatively) happy
> (read: distracted).
>
> If we're not making people smarter with currently available resources,
> why would we invest in research to discover expensive new te
On Dec 14, 2007 8:33 AM, Benjamin Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, if a certain nation were to make laws allowing this, and to encourage
> research into this, then potentially they could gain a dramatic advantage
> over other nations...
>
> There does therefore seem a possibility for a "br
On 14/12/2007, Benjamin Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The future course of AGI is contentious and uncertain (though I have my own
> strong opinions), but it seems very clear that mobile robotics tech is
> more advanced
> than mind-reading-type brain-imaging, and apt to progress far faster..
Mike wrote:
> Personally, my guess is that serious mindreading machines will be a reality
> in the not too distant future - before AGI and seriously autonomous mobile
> robots.
No way.
Tell that to the neuroscientists in your local university neuro lab, and they'll
get a good laugh ;-)
The
Bob M:Only after the
initial medical phase which could last several decades will brain
implants be sufficiently inexpensive
Well a big paper here gave a whole page to a new brain helmet for games
which they claimed really worked - was effective. Whatever, the prospect of
a BCI for games has to
Hi,
>From Bob Mottram on the AGI list:
> However, I'm not expecting to see the widespread cyborgisation of
> human society any time soon. As the article suggests the first
> generation implants are all devices to fulfill some well defined
> medical need, and will have to go through all the usual
On 14/12/2007, Benjamin Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But, we're still quite clueless about how to, say, hook the brain up to
> a calculator or to Google in a useful way... due to having a vastly
> insufficiently detailed knowledge of how the brain carries out
> cognitive operations...
We
Mike,
My comment is that this is GREAT research and development, but, for
the near and probably medium future is very likely to be about perception
and action rather than cognition.
I.e., we are sort of on the verge of understanding how to hook up new
sensors to the brain, and hook the brain up t
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