RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-23 Thread John G. Rose
The environmental complexities are different. NYC has been there for hundreds of years. Human brain has been in nature for hundreds of thousands of years. A manmade environment for AGI is custom made in the beginning; we don't just throw it out on the street or into the jungle. It can start off in

RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-23 Thread John G. Rose
From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] John:The synchronous melodies of the crickets strumming their legs, changes harmony as the wind moves warmthness. The reeds vibrate; the birds, fearing the snake, break their rhythmic falsetto polyphonies and flutter away to new pastures.

Re: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Steve Richfield
Joseph, On 5/20/08, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, decades later, come the present discussions about patterns, apparently advanced along with the same lines of thought that was behind that IQ test so

RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread John G. Rose
From: Joseph Gentle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are two interesting points here. The first is that (in my opinion) pattern matching must come first. I agree that understanding the patterns (the /why/) is important; but seeing (even unjustified) patterns is crucial. The benchmark I

Re: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Mike Tintner
John G: human musical pattern extrapolation fidelity is a sort of an averaging of the human minds full capability of an astonishingly robust pattern recognizing ability...I feel that our modern audial pattern recognition ability has been extremely dumbed down The arts as seen by a

RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Derek Zahn
John Rose writes: So I feel that much of our brain mass is there due to the natural richness of nature, and there may be quite a bit of overkill compared to what would be needed in software AGI. Are we satisfied building AGIs that cannot cope with the actual world because it is too rich?

Re: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Derek Zahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Rose writes: So I feel that much of our brain mass is there due to the natural richness of nature, and there may be quite a bit of overkill compared to what would be needed in software AGI. Are we satisfied building

RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread John G. Rose
Subject: RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence John Rose writes: So I feel that much of our brain mass is there due to the natural richness of nature, and there may be quite a bit of overkill compared to what would be needed in software AGI. Are we satisfied

RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Derek Zahn
Vladimir Nesov: I think sterile texture of artificial environments hides the richness of their structure from our intuition, since we already have it imprinted by experience with the real world. Anything less than capable of dealing with the real world won't understand cleaned up environments

RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread John G. Rose
From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's actually obvious if you care to listen, that music involves a combination of pattern fitting/extrapolation and pattern BREAKING. The whole point of a pop song is that it involves a creative idea - a *twist* on existing patterns. That's why

RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Matt Mahoney
From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's actually obvious if you care to listen, that music involves a combination of pattern fitting/extrapolation and pattern BREAKING. The whole point of a pop song is that it involves a creative idea - a *twist* on existing patterns. That's why

Re: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Mike Tintner
John:The synchronous melodies of the crickets strumming their legs, changes harmony as the wind moves warmthness. The reeds vibrate; the birds, fearing the snake, break their rhythmic falsetto polyphonies and flutter away to new pastures. But with humans, pattern-breaking and the seeking of

Re: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-17 Thread Steve Richfield
. Thanks. Steve Richfield *From:* Steve Richfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, May 16, 2008 9:38 PM *To:* agi@v2.listbox.com *Subject:* [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence Hi y'all, I can still remember an incident when I was just 13