Re: [agi] Goal Driven Systems and AI Dangers [WAS Re: Singularity Outcomes...]

2008-05-07 Thread Kaj Sotala
On 5/7/08, Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Story: I recently attended an SGI Buddhist meeting with a friend who was a member there. After listening to their discussions, I asked if there was anyone there (from ~30 people) who had ever found themselves in a position of having to

Re: [agi] Goal Driven Systems and AI Dangers [WAS Re: Singularity Outcomes...]

2008-05-07 Thread Steve Richfield
Matt, On 5/6/08, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have played tournament chess. However, when faced with a REALLY GREAT chess player (e.g. national champion), as I have had the pleasure of on a couple of occasions, they at first

Re: [agi] Goal Driven Systems and AI Dangers [WAS Re: Singularity Outcomes...]

2008-05-07 Thread Steve Richfield
Kaj, On 5/6/08, Kaj Sotala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Certainly a rational AGI may find it useful to appear irrational, but that doesn't change the conclusion that it'll want to think rationally at the bottom, does it? The concept of rationality contains a large social component. For example,

Re: [agi] Goal Driven Systems and AI Dangers [WAS Re: Singularity Outcomes...]

2008-05-07 Thread Kaj Sotala
On 5/7/08, Kaj Sotala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Certainly a rational AGI may find it useful to appear irrational, but that doesn't change the conclusion that it'll want to think rationally at the bottom, does it? Oh - and see also http://www.saunalahti.fi/~tspro1/reasons.html , especially

[agi] Graph mining

2008-05-07 Thread Bob Mottram
This might be of interest. http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=911 The ability to discover patterns, especially from partial information, would seem to be a central concern of AGI. --- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS

Re: [agi] Goal Driven Systems and AI Dangers [WAS Re: Singularity Outcomes...]

2008-05-07 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/6/08, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As your example illustrates, a higher intelligence will appear to be irrational, but you cannot conclude from this that irrationality implies intelligence. Neither

[agi] standard way to represent NL in logic?

2008-05-07 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
Is there any standard (even informal) way of representing NL sentences in logic? Especially complex sentences like John eat spaghetti with a fork or The dog that chased the cat jumped over the fence. etc. I have my own way of translating those sentences, but having a standard would be much

Re: [agi] standard way to represent NL in logic?

2008-05-07 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any standard (even informal) way of representing NL sentences in logic? No. But it hasn't stopped people from trying. The meaning of sentences and even paragraphs depends on context that is not captured in logic. Consider the

[agi] Graph mining

2008-05-07 Thread Jim Bromer
Bob Mottram wrote: http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=911 The ability to discover patterns, especially from partial information, would seem to be a central concern of AGI. - That was interesting. I may (actually) read the paper Hierarchical structure and the prediction of

[agi] Overlapping Interrelated Bounded Logical Models

2008-05-07 Thread Jim Bromer
I believe that logic could work with general AI if it was partially bounded and related to other partially bounded logical models. That is, logical systems can be used to examine theoretical (or theory-like relational) models of the IO data environment. However, the possibility of creating a

Re: [agi] Goal Driven Systems and AI Dangers [WAS Re: Singularity Outcomes...]

2008-05-07 Thread Charles D Hixson
Steve Richfield wrote: ... have played tournament chess. However, when faced with a REALLY GREAT chess player (e.g. national champion), as I have had the pleasure of on a couple of occasions, they at first appear to play as novices, making unusual and apparently stupid moves that I can't

Re: [agi] standard way to represent NL in logic?

2008-05-07 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 5/7/08, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. But it hasn't stopped people from trying. The meaning of sentences and even paragraphs depends on context that is not captured in logic. Consider the following examples, where a different word is emphasized in each case: - I didn't

Re: [agi] standard way to represent NL in logic?

2008-05-07 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 5/7/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my knowledge there is a standard style but there is of course no standard ontology. Roughly the standard style is First Order Predicate Calculus (FOPC) and within the linguistics community this is called logical form. For reference see

Re: [agi] standard way to represent NL in logic?

2008-05-07 Thread Stephen Reed
YKY, The Rus form is also a popular logical form, have you heard of it? I think it is complete in the sense that all English (or NL) sentences can be represented in it, but the drawback is that it's somewhat indirect. I have not heard about Rus form. Could you provide a link or reference?

Re: [agi] standard way to represent NL in logic?

2008-05-07 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 5/7/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not heard about Rus form. Could you provide a link or reference? This is one of the papers: http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/cache/papers/cs/22812/http:zSzzSzwww.seas.smu.eduzSz~vasilezSzictai2001.pdf/rus01high.pdf you can find some examples

Re: [agi] Evaluating Conference Quality [WAS Re: Symbol Grounding ...]

2008-05-07 Thread Richard Loosemore
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan Pernar wrote: On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [agi] standard way to represent NL in logic?

2008-05-07 Thread Mike Tintner
YKY : Logic can deal with almost everything, depending on how much effort you put in it =) LES sanglots longs. des violons. de l'automne. Blessent mon cour d'une langueur monotone. You don't just read those words, (and most words), you hear them. How's logic going to hear them? YOY YKY? You

Re: [agi] standard way to ..P.S.

2008-05-07 Thread Mike Tintner
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Re: [agi] Evaluating Conference Quality [WAS Re: Symbol Grounding ...]

2008-05-07 Thread Kaj Sotala
On 5/7/08, Stefan Pernar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What follows are wild speculations and grand pie-in-the-sky plans without substance with a letter to investors attached. Oh, come on! Um, people, is this list really the place for fielding personal insults? For what it's worth, my two cents:

[agi] Accidental Genius

2008-05-07 Thread Brad Paulsen
I happened to catch a program on National Geographic Channel today entitled Accidental Genius. It was quite interesting from an AGI standpoint. One of the researchers profiled has invented a device that, by sending electromagnetic pulses through a person's skull to the appropriate spot in the

Re: [agi] Evaluating Conference Quality [WAS Re: Symbol Grounding ...]

2008-05-07 Thread Stefan Pernar
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 3:54 AM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan Pernar wrote: On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED]