Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-23 Thread James Ratcliff
: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released Do you plan to pay these non-experts, or recruit them as volunteers? ben On Jan 10, 2008 1:11 PM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Granted that from a logical viewpoint, using a controlled English syntax to acquire rules is as much

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-23 Thread Stephen Reed
78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: James Ratcliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:55:19 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released I agree with most everything you have said so far, is in line with alot

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-11 Thread William Pearson
Vladimir, What do you mean by difference in processing here? I said the difference was after the initial processing. By processing I meant syntactic and semantic processing. After processing the syntax related sentence the realm of action is changing the system itself, rather than knowledge of

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-11 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Jan 11, 2008 3:01 PM, William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vladimir, What do you mean by difference in processing here? I said the difference was after the initial processing. By processing I meant syntactic and semantic processing. After processing the syntax related sentence the

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread William Pearson
On 10/01/2008, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Processing a dictionary in a useful way requires quite sophisticated language understanding ability, though. Once you can do that, the hard part of the problem is already solved ;-) While this kind of system requires sophisticated

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
I'll be a lot more interested when people start creating NLP systems that are syntactically and semantically processing statements about words, sentences and other linguistic structures and adding syntactic and semantic rules based on those sentences. Depending on exactly what you mean by

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Stephen Reed
Ben asked: What is the semantics of ?on-situation-localized-14 rdf:type texai:On-SituationLocalized On-SituationLocalized is a term I created for this use case, while postponing its associated definitional assertions. What I have in mind is that On-SituationLocalized is a specialization

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Jan 10, 2008 9:59 AM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and that the system is to learn constructions for your examples. The below dialog is Controlled English, in which the system understands and generates constrained syntax and vocabulary. [user] The elements of a shit-list can be

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Stephen Reed
- Original Message From: Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 4:04:58 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released And how would a young child or foreigner interpret on the Washington Monument

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread William Pearson
On 10/01/2008, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be a lot more interested when people start creating NLP systems that are syntactically and semantically processing statements *about* words, sentences and other linguistic structures and adding syntactic and semantic rules

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Stephen Reed
A typo in my previous post: ... Therefore, from the viewpoint of CxG, your example variations of the on construction have their own associated semantics, and are *NOT* necessarily covered by the rules that I developed for my sense of on. ... -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Stephen Reed
http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Mike Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:17:43 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Stephen Reed
Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:26:27 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released On 10/01/2008, Benjamin Goertzel wrote: I'll be a lot more interested when people start creating NLP systems

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
On Jan 10, 2008 10:26 AM, William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/01/2008, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be a lot more interested when people start creating NLP systems that are syntactically and semantically processing statements *about* words, sentences and

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Hi, Yes, the Texai implementation of Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar follows the phrase structure approach in which leaf lexical constituents are grouped into a structure (i.e. construction) hierarchy. Yet, because it is incremental and thus cognitively plausible, it should scale to

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Stephen Reed
Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:06:45 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released On Jan 10, 2008 10:26 AM, William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/01/2008, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:06:45 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Stephen Reed
PM Subject: Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released Do you plan to pay these non-experts, or recruit them as volunteers? ben On Jan 10, 2008 1:11 PM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Granted that from a logical viewpoint, using a controlled English syntax to acquire

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Jan 10, 2008 10:57 AM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I understand your question correctly it asks whether a non-expert user can be guided to use Controlled English in a dialog system. In This is an idea that I wanted to try at Cycorp but Doug Lenat said that it had been tried

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Stephen Reed
/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Mike Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:25:33 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released On Jan 10, 2008

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread William Pearson
On 10/01/2008, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2008 10:26 AM, William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/01/2008, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be a lot more interested when people start creating NLP systems that are syntactically and

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Stephen Reed
.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:04:34 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released On 10/01/2008, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2008 10:26 AM, William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/01/2008, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Matt Mahoney
All this discussion of building a grammar seems to ignore the obvious fact that in humans, language learning is a continuous process that does not require any explicit encoding of rules. I think either your model should learn this way, or you need to explain why your model would be more

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
On Jan 10, 2008 10:03 PM, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this discussion of building a grammar seems to ignore the obvious fact that in humans, language learning is a continuous process that does not require any explicit encoding of rules. I think either your model should learn

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-10 Thread Stephen Reed
Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:14:43 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released On Jan 10, 2008 10:03 PM, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL

[agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-09 Thread Stephen Reed
On the SourceForge project site, I just released the Java library for Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar. Fluid Construction Grammar is a natural language parsing and generation system developed by researchers at emergent-languages.org. The system features a production rule mechanism for

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-09 Thread Mark Waser
: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released What is the semantics of ?on-situation-localized-14 rdf:type texai:On-SituationLocalized ?? How would your system parse The book is on neuroscience or The book is on the Washington Monument

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-09 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
And how would a young child or foreigner interpret on the Washington Monument or shit list? Both are physical objects and a book *could* be resting on them. Sorry, my shit list is purely mental in nature ;-) ... at the moment, I maintain a task list but not a shit list... maybe I need to

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-09 Thread Mark Waser
.listbox.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released And how would a young child or foreigner interpret on the Washington Monument or shit list? Both are physical objects and a book *could* be resting on them. Sorry, my shit list

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-09 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
A perhaps nicer example is Get me the ball for which RelEx outputs definite(ball) singular(ball) imperative(get) singular(me) definite(me) _obj(get, me) _obj2(get, ball) and RelExToFrame outputs Bringing:Theme(get,me) Bringing:Beneficiary(get,me) Bringing:Theme(get,ball)

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-09 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Can you give about ten examples of rules? (That would answer a lot of my questions above) That would just lead to really long list of questions that I don't have time to answer right now In a month or two, we'll write a paper on the rule-encoding approach we're using, and I'll post it to

Re: [agi] Incremental Fluid Construction Grammar released

2008-01-09 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Processing a dictionary in a useful way requires quite sophisticated language understanding ability, though. Once you can do that, the hard part of the problem is already solved ;-) Ben On Jan 9, 2008 7:22 PM, William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/01/2008, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL