Me too.
Michael
On 4 Aug 2015, at 13:30, Chuck Carroll games...@chuckcarroll.org wrote:
I got four short messages, including Quaize's, which were sent to the bak
list within the past twelve hours, but not the SLR.
Chuck
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More like a Spoonerism.
Michael
On 19 Apr 2015, at 09:54, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Jonathan Rouillard
jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote:
A Writ of FAGE is a Writ of Fugere Agorae Grandissima Exprobratione, from
Rule 1789. I don't think I was around
You want a sub-game that has the legalistic flavour of Agora so that people who
like that legal-beagle stuff will want to play the sub-game.
Michael
On 17/12/13 08:42, Tanner Swett wrote:
Re what a subgame is, I think I'd define subgame as something like
delimited set of activities intended
On 16/12/13 10:28, Tanner Swett wrote:
On Dec 15, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote:
Why? Maybe the fact people have lost interest in Agora is because the core
of the game has hardly changed in years. It seems like we found
judicial/proposal/etc. systems that work, and so we don't want to
Reiterating other messages: thanks muchly to the organisers and
participants for this speed nomic game. I was pleased to get to make a
proposal, judge a CFJ and vote on a bunch of proposals. In other words,
it was a great sampler. And as Steve said, the defined end-point was a
feature that made
I vote AGAINST 363 and FOR 364.
Then I purchase an extra vote and vote FOR 364 one more time.
Michael
I the matter of the CFJ of Chuck's that I have been assigned to judge, I return
a verdict of FALSE.
Obviously, this agrees with Charles Walker’s recent judgement, but I also think
he slightly misinterpreted the relevant rule, while simultaneously making
perfectly reasonable decisions about our
I vote FOR this proposal.
Michael
On 26/06/13 6:20 PM, Chuck Carroll wrote:
I propose that Rule 302, or a Rule formerly having had the number 302
(if there is exactly one such rule) be amended to read “Players whose
proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points.”
Chuck
I vote AGAINST 345 and 346 (what does forfeit mean, and does it prevent
reregistration?)
I vote FOR 344.
Michael
On 26/06/13 10:00 PM, Fool wrote:
Here I'll just number and repeat the three new proposals that were made.
You can vote by replying to this message, privately if you like.
I'll
I vote FOR proposals 342 and 343.
Michael
On 26/06/13 10:56, Fool wrote:
Here I'll just number and repeat the two new proposals. Voting closes
in 24 hours. Voting on 331-341 closes in about 11 hours.
-Dan
342 (Chuck):
I propose that rule 311 be amended by changing the text which reads
I vote AGAINST 330.
Michael
On 24/06/13 22:09, Fool wrote:
Here I just number and repeat the one new proposal. Report shortly.
-Dan
330 (Walker):
I propose to amend Rule 324 by deleting the first sentence.
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I propose we repeal rule 219.
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I register for the Agora XX game.
Michael
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On 15/06/13 02:46, Kerim Aydin wrote:
the *other* fundamental CFJ waiting to be assigned, the one about
whether the gamestate stores a mutable record of history or not.
This is another thing I keep thinking of the history of; what's the
history of seeing the gamestate as some sort of
On 21/06/13 14:38, Sean Hunt wrote:
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Michael Norrish
michael.norr...@nicta.com.au wrote:
This attitude was certainly one I held when we began the game. I later
proposed
a “document-centric” view of things, whereby the state was defined to be
whatever
On 1/12/12 9:25 AM, David Nicol wrote:
Kerim recalled today on the FRC mailing list that the nomic world rule
providing for committees passed nearly twenty years ago.
Disturbing huh?
Michael
On 14/07/12 06:30, Kerim Aydin wrote:
There were a lot of original players still playing in 2001. Interestingly,
there seemed to be a big discontinuity around 2002-2003. During this time,
a lot of from the beginning players (Chuck, Michael,Steve, Blob) left.
No particular single reason, just
On 7/12/10 9:52 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, omd wrote:
On the other hand, submitting a proposal with an intentional loophole
is bordering on dishonesty and violation of trust, and, indeed, can be
illegal unless the title is sufficiently vague and the proposal isn't
Disinterested.
On 27/08/10 04:35, Kerim Aydin wrote:
The more I think of it, the more surprised I am that I can't remember
anyone trying this scam. We've had plenty of attempted hardcodings of
players into rules/proposals (e.g. G. can amend this rule) or comex
is hereby awarded X) but I can't remember anyone
Ed Murphy wrote:
c-walker wrote:
I thought we went by UTC time? Anyway, Happy Birthday, Agora!
Agora's birthday goes by GMT +1200 because First Speaker Michael's
initiation message was sent at 00:04:30 GMT +1200 (Rule 1727).
New Zealand time!
Michael.
Aaron Goldfein wrote:
But Michael created the game. You at least heard of agora before you
created it. E created it.
E had probably played/watched a lot more nomic than I had.
I'd read Steve Gardner's Nomic World reports, and that was it. I think
this was through a mailing list
Kerim Aydin wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, Michael Norrish wrote:
Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote:
I assumed... Hazing of sorts. Makes sense to weed out those unwilling
to put up with criticism and informs initiates about some of the
subtleties of the Agoran way. Clever.
I'm kinda glad I never had
Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote:
I assumed... Hazing of sorts. Makes sense to weed out those unwilling
to put up with criticism and informs initiates about some of the
subtleties of the Agoran way. Clever.
I'm kinda glad I never had to bother with it :-)
Michael.
Michael Norrish and ask him to join their game so they could
have a speaker.
Then again, perhaps an offshoot of Agora could be considered the second
game
Even if not, the game could proceed without a speaker or with Michael as
speaker even unknowingly (and with a round of deputization could
comex wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now can we get rid of Spivak?
I second this motion. It worked for B.
they is fine for unknown referents, but I'm not going to say I
transfer a prop to ais523 because they did a fine job in their
judgement.
Elliott Hird wrote:
On 26 Nov 2008, at 04:46, Pavitra wrote:
On Tuesday 25 November 2008 01:27:59 pm Elliott Hird wrote:
time, unless the winner has transferred the VP to him.
Y'know, you B players really need to get used to the way we use
pronouns around here.
I started playing B much
Kerim Aydin wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, Ben Caplan wrote:
On Saturday 20 September 2008 08:54:26 pm Kerim Aydin wrote:
http://www.nomic.net/~nomicwiki/index.php/AgoraTheses doesn't
list any thesis of yours. Where can it be found?
Hrm, I don't know. It was about three computers ago on my
Kerim Aydin wrote:
Therefore, no matter which noun you replace, you get in effect the same
result. Michael for Monster!!! :)
Err, woot!
Michael - someone better tell me what my awesome monsterly powers are
comex wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Ben Caplan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 21 July 2008 12:11:32 pm comex wrote:
(Still looking for an editor that will allow me to edit text wrapped
in the Agoran style without having to unwrap it first.)
Try nano + Ctrl-J.
I've never known
Ian Kelly wrote:
Oh, and the fill doesn't automatically do what you might want with
lettered lists, e.g. Michael's second example above but with a)
instead of 1). To refill in that case, you can first set the fill
prefix by moving the cursor to the beginning of the text on any line
with the
Kerim Aydin wrote:
Announcements are both statements in their own rights and (sometimes) actions.
In the past, we've accepted I do X as an action, but we've also accepted
I hereby announce that I do X as an action. Both, by Agoran Custom, do
the Same Thing.
The latter statement,
Ed Murphy wrote:
A person SHALL NOT make a public statement unless e reasonably
believes it is true.
For the purpose of this rule:
c) A public statement that one performs an action is true if
and only if one thereby succeeds in performing that
Ben Caplan wrote:
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/6/29 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Happy birthday, Agora!
45 seconds late, I believe.
Wait, what?
Does GMT +1200 mean + 1,200 hours? I assumed it meant + 12:00, i.e.,
+ 12 hours.
GMT +12 as
Roger Hicks wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rather/in addition to currencies...
I was thinking of re-implementing a cards in a way that combined the best
parts of cards, prerogatives, and notes (but not including any of the bugs
in those systems,
Geoffrey Spear wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Michael Norrish
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
N!
Being able to legislate to change game world physics is a catastrophically
bad idea.
Doesn't that imply that nomic in general is a catastophically bad idea?
As commonly played via e
Geoffrey Spear wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Ben Caplan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've secretly hoped for some time that Agora could establish embassies
in various graphical MMOs. I believe I came to the conclusion that EVE
would be the best place to start, at least in principle.
Ian Kelly wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There seems to be some disagreement in the literature (and apparently
in C machine-dependent differing behavior of the % operator) about how
to take the modulus of a negative number. There seem to be
Josiah Worcester wrote:
On Wednesday 28 November 2007 22:08:21 Michael Norrish wrote:
My Mac is doing a great job of rendering the Japanese; I was very
pleasantly surprised to find it, Emacs and Thunderbird all coping so
well.
Michael.
Now, H. First Speaker, can you *read* it?
Indeed
Ian Kelly wrote:
On Nov 28, 2007 8:18 PM, Josiah Worcester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
死ぬ
ころす
人肉
食べる
何
する
日本語
All I see are question marks...
My Mac is doing a great job of rendering the Japanese; I was very
pleasantly surprised to find it, Emacs and Thunderbird all coping so
well.
Ed Murphy wrote:
OscarMeyr wrote:
I just looked over these registration dates. Are they correct -- am I
the ONLY player who did not (re)register this year?
Yes. I deregistered so that Michael could keep the record for
longest continuous registration
Heh; thanks for that. :)
comex wrote:
On 8/29/07, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You confuse cause and effect. The game doesn't make the statement itself
true, the statement makes the game condition true, if the game allows.
True. Right now,
I vote FOR
is a statement I believe is false. However, if this is
Zefram wrote:
Kerim Aydin wrote:
Well, if a proposal can deem something that's not defined/regulated,
I don't think it can, in any lasting fashion. It was Michael who argued
that deeming constitutes an instantaneous change to the persistent
game state.
More accurately, I argued that a
Michael Slone wrote:
On 5/23/07, Michael Norrish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe this happened in the early days - we had a couple playing as
a single Player. There was no attempt to conceal the situation from
us, but we probably didn't have anything in the rules saying that a
Player
Michael Slone wrote:
On 2/20/07, Michael Norrish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's a quote: founding fathers' shtick even. Certainly, nothing I'd
claim as my own...
I was talking about the we, not the modified quote.
Indeed, but isn't the we part of the quote?
Michael.
Michael Slone wrote:
On 2/20/07, Michael Norrish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We
That's Wes's shtick. Get your own!
It's a quote: founding fathers' shtick even. Certainly, nothing I'd
claim as my own...
Michael.
--
No.| Title | Vote
--
4904 | some deeming| AGAINST
4905 | Cleaning up after myself| FOR
4906 | Deem deemed
Kerim Aydin wrote:
This is just as nonsensical a claim as you being a pineapple (both
are clearly false, but both attempt to adjust the rules' vision of
the world and our behaviours)
The difference between the two is that one is Agoran law (CFJ-1),
while the pineapple issue, which you
Kerim Aydin wrote:
Michael wrote:
The heart of my argument is that all of the rules' deemings *are*
regulated, so you can't add to or change them.
And the heart of my argument is that there's nothing in the rules to
blanketly regulate every act of the verb to deem, so there are
deemings
Kerim Aydin wrote:
Michael wrote:
On the other hand, legal deeming of the sort heeded by the rules is
set up by rules explicitly, and also implicitly by the rules governing
judgements.
Where? Not doubting, just curious. I know it's true about
regulated quantities but I'm talking about
Zefram wrote:
Michael Norrish wrote:
And I claim that a deeming event *factually* changes the set of
legal fictions that we have to respect.
Deeming is not an event. It is the origin of a counterfactual context.
I deem something. What just happened? An event of deeming
Kerim Aydin wrote:
Michael wrote:
Facts feed into questions of law as evidence, but if the law
says that we must behave as if such as such were true, then that's
what we have to do, facts be damned.
Nice principle, but exactly the opposite of what R217 actually *says*.
Hardly. First
Michael Slone wrote:
On 1/12/07, Michael Norrish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do I need to care?
It depends on whether you want to submit ballots or just talk about
it. See rule 683 (b):
(b) The ballot clearly identifies the matter to be decided.
You have not clearly identified anything
Zefram wrote:
I have a concept for real-life national law, which I think would work well
in nomic too. The idea is that, based on the principle that no society
can morally bind its successors, laws should not automatically last
more than a generation. Thus every law should expire twenty years
Zefram wrote:
Strictly, what we want for the case of zero AGAINST votes and more than
zero FOR votes is the limit of 1/n as n approaches zero from above.
I think that's aleph-0, but I'm not 100% sure. This does seem to match
your definition of an infinite hyperreal.
Applying the same logic
Checking that my server-side mail-filtering will put this message in
the right place.
Michael.
Kerim Aydin writes:
Michael wrote:
Not sure it's fair to mess with someone else's rule
...you might look at the FLR history of this Rule... ;)
Sure, but you're not the only person with their name on the fountain,
just the Evil Leader of the Conspiracy.
Michael.
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