On 11/19/2017 12:43 AM, Aris Merchant wrote:
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Reuben Staley wrote:
So I should just have the first two paragraphs plus the little "changes are
secured" thing?
Yep. In fact, you really shouldn't need even the changes are secured.
They
e to ditch those,
that was a bad mechanic that I thought would work for some reason. I
already removed it.
- the production method of "every week... X units are produced" doesn't
say exactly when and how production is triggered.
Yeah, that should be fixed.
On Sat, 18 Nov 2017,
Oh, oops. Looks like I didn't write that it was a proposal anywhere. The
proposal starting at the first set of square brackets is PAoAM v2 by
Trigon with coauthors ATMunn, VJ Rada, o, G., and Aris I think.
On 11/18/2017 11:57 PM, Reuben Staley wrote:
Okay, here we go with round 2. Th
Okay, here we go with round 2. This is looking like Go and Settlers of
Catan were mixed into one game. What could possibly go wrong?
I'm pretty sure I got all of the mechanics I wanted in there, but it's
possible that in my hurry to get another draft out I skipped something.
Please notify me o
On 11/18/2017 9:37 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Reuben Staley wrote:
I'm done with a very, very rough draft of this proposal. Tell me how you all
think it looks.
=
Title: "Putting Agora on a Map"
AI: 2
Author: Trigon
Co-Authors:
The squa
Oh gosh, so many things I didn't even consider.
Some of your questions involve my rationale in creating the finished
version you see. So I'll have to explain my mindset. Here we go.
On 11/18/2017 9:05 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Reuben Staley wrote:
I was planning on having the Treasuror track all the currencies when I
wrote up my revised report until people brought up the idea of different
officers doing it. I guess the people who track each of them should be
decided by you all.
Additionally, maybe giving monetary rewards to people who track
On 11/17/2017 5:53 PM, ATMunn wrote:
[snip]
Okay, so here's my plan:
1. Ditch shinies.
2. Three different production zmetah exist: Farm, Mine, Orchard.
3. Farms produce Corn and Cotton.
4. Mines produce Stone and Ore.
5. Orchards produce Fruit and Lumber.
6. Some number of refinery zmetah
seems like it'd work
in my mind.
On 11/17/2017 4:52 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017, Reuben Staley wrote:
* Define three “base” resources, and associated Zmet types. Let’s pretend
they’re Ores, Fungi, and Chipmunks.
* Define three “refined” resources (G.’s Sports, Coupons, a
On 11/16/2017 11:09 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
Just saying it is "a record" seems a bit broad. I don't know how you would make
that more specific without being over-complicated, though.
I just kept this wording from the original maps rules. I don't know how else to
say it.
Defining this in
n Jacobson wrote:
I would be more than happy to volunteer to track information for either of the
two land reform proposals up for discussion. They both look grand.
Some specific feedback on this one:
On Nov 14, 2017, at 12:17 AM, Reuben Staley wrote:
Re-enact rule 1993/1 (Power=2) "The
It never was voted on. The loophole still exists.
--
Trigon
On Nov 17, 2017 12:23 PM, "Alex Smith" wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-11-17 at 11:02 -0800, Corona wrote:
> > Hello, is CFJ 3558 "V.J Rada is a Player" still relevant, or has some
> > rule change since then made it impossible to register immedi
Indeed I did say that. 3000 line long text files are quite intimidating,
which is why I believe in having a good HLR.
--
Trigon
On Nov 16, 2017 8:51 PM, "VJ Rada" wrote:
> I think I remember Trigon saying that the HLR was the main reason e came
> here and thought the rules were reasonable: so i
this right off the bat is that G. has
already made a draft proposal dealing with land in a different way (see
DIS: SimAgora 2000). These two proposals would probably
Agreed. Once that appeared in my inbox, I knew I had to get mine out quick.
On 11/14/2017 12:17 AM, Reuben Staley wrote:
I
Probably because I wrote that on my phone, and my phone's mail app sucks
really bad.
--
Trigon
On Nov 14, 2017 7:56 AM, "ATMunn" wrote:
> Your comments are a bit hard to distinguish from the original message.
>
> On 11/14/2017 2:26 AM, Reuben Staley wrote:
>
>
d planning.
-Aris
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 11:26 PM Reuben Staley
wrote:
> This all is why it's a proto proposal. There are so many issues that you
> don't realize as the author, so you never even think of the criticisms
> others realize so quickly. Comments below.
>
> --
This all is why it's a proto proposal. There are so many issues that you
don't realize as the author, so you never even think of the criticisms
others realize so quickly. Comments below.
--
Trigon
On Nov 14, 2017 12:05 AM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2017,
11 PM, "VJ Rada" wrote:
> I also don't know why you're tripling AP when you're also tripling costs?
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Reuben Staley
> wrote:
> > Comments on your comments:
> >
> > --
> > Trigon
> >
> > On
obligations to do something on a specific day. Not
everyone checks this game each day.
Ech, that was probably lost in translation somewhere and is another
artifact of old Agoran terminology. Whatevs, I'll think of a way to fix it.
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Reuben Staley
wrote:
&g
I'm done with a very, very rough draft of this proposal. Tell me how you
all think it looks.
=
Title: "Putting Agora on a Map"
AI: 2
Author: Trigon
Co-Authors:
The square brackets are not proposal text and all that jazz.
[ PART I: Removing and Changing Stuff ]
Repeal rules 2488, 2489
and/or paranoid (probably some combination of those).
-Aris
On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Reuben Staley wrote:
Why would the appointment not work?
On 11/12/2017 4:27 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
I submit the following proposal as my silly proposal. I appoint Trigon
to be next week's
Why would the appointment not work?
On 11/12/2017 4:27 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
I submit the following proposal as my silly proposal. I appoint Trigon
to be next week's silly person. If the appointment of Trigon failed, I
appoint ATMunn to be next week's silly person.
-Aris
---
Title: Sky Pil
One space for the win. I make all of my everythings one space and have no
intention of changing it.
--
Trigon
On Nov 11, 2017 12:55 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote:
H. Rulekeepor, do you prefer one whitespace or two whitespaces following
a full stop?
I think everyone wants the game to progress the the second phase, but it
hasn't because everyone keeps having new ideas about game systems they
want to build in hopes that they will create interesting gameplay. We
all want the future to be interesting so we forget what we have now.
Also, some
I think the answer is to avoid ambiguous structures.
--
Trigon
On Nov 7, 2017 7:09 PM, "VJ Rada" wrote:
> I suppose as a counter point you could have a sentence that says "this
> is an agreement between Jeff, Johnny, Jackson, Jolene, and Jacqueline
> (hereafter 'Parties'). Obviously Jeff's a pa
be a samurai. This misses the point.
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Reuben Staley <mailto:reuben.sta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This makes it so that there will always be Samurai and Gammas.
Replace the first item of the unordered list in 2510 with "Any
player w
This makes it so that there will always be Samurai and Gammas.
Replace the first item of the unordered list in 2510 with "Any player
with a karma greater than or equal to one standard deviation of the set
of all karma scores is a Samurai."
Replace the second item of the unordered list i
s in order of
receiving, rather than in reverse order.
Not sure what's up with your antivirus software, by the way.
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Reuben Staley <mailto:reuben.sta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You're a bit late to the party. Alexis already accepted a sim
You're a bit late to the party. Alexis already accepted a similar CoE.
Good eye though.
On 11/6/2017 5:05 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
>This proposal does not make any rule changes (the fact that it is
written as a rule would be is insufficient to effect a rule change).
I
t literally says at the end "
My take on this debate is as follows:
If there was such thing defined by the rules as a "public reminder" and
"humiliating public reminder" was a subset of that, intended to be
humiliating, rather than just normal. But since there isn't that, it
doesn't seem like it actually is required to be
As far as I understand, SHALL only means that failing to do the action
breaks the rule. Nowhere does it say that breaking rule 869 makes the
election invalid.
On 11/5/2017 6:57 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
I think quorum is an essential parameter, given the SHALL requirement
asso
Ech. Reply-to's are dumb.
On 11/5/2017 3:03 PM, Reuben Staley wrote:
If I do not win the Rulekeepor election this week, this position would
be the next one I'd go for. I've got that 2003 Land rules thing I'm
working on, and I'm sure Agoran History is quite interestin
Random thought that I should've brought up earlier probably: shouldn't
the auctioneer specify what currency/currencies will be accepted?
On 11/5/2017 10:25 AM, ATMunn wrote:
Oops, didn't mean to send to a-b.
If, in the below message, I submitted a proposal, I retract it.
On 11/5/2017 12:24 PM
I like the overall idea. I will attempt to comment.
--
Trigon
On Nov 3, 2017 10:38 AM, "Nic Evans" wrote:
title: Complete Economic Overhaul v2
ai: 2
author: nichdel
co-authors: Alexis, PSS, ais523, o, aris
[changelog:
* the first draft of estates!!
* s/Secretary/Treasuror
* a couple typos, inc
Nice idea. This phrase shows up way too much in the ruleset.
--
Trigon
On Nov 3, 2017 11:27 AM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Nic Evans wrote:
> > You need to clean up the MMI here. You have MAY without CAN, and SHALL
> without CAN, and CAN/SHALL without a mechanism.
>
> What
I bid 25 shinies because why not.
--
Trigon
On Nov 1, 2017 11:26 PM, "Cuddle Beam" wrote:
> I bid 21 Shinies.
>
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 3:28 AM, VJ Rada wrote:
>
>> It's rather silly that it's possible to tie the auction and stop any
>> sale from happening. Perhaps bids should be made secretl
This. This times a billion. G's post about land reforms a while ago [1]
proposed some really worthwhile ideas about shinies and how they could
become more flexible. I think that if e ever puts the ideas there in
place, our economic system would be approximately infinity times better.
[1]
htt
I was digging through some old rulesets from 2002-2003 and I found an
old Land system. I think the reenactment of a few of these rules, with a
few modifications using some more up-to-date ideas, combined with the
ideas presented in this post, could make a really cool land system.
Anyways, I'll
x27;t try to
> reformat it. That makes sense.
>
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 at 13:59 Reuben Staley wrote:
>>
>> That's not just 2483. It's all of them, dependent on how you're
>> viewing it. Measure the left margin on whatever viewer you're using.
&g
aw text file has 6 spaces and is wrapped perfectly.
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 at 00:26 Reuben Staley wrote:
>>
>> Again, this is not official, but publishing my versions of the CFJs
>> makes people think I'm a better cand
On proposal 7946 you voted "AGANST" when in fact you probably meant
"AGAINST"
--
Trigon
On Oct 30, 2017 1:07 AM, "VJ Rada" wrote:
Please explaIn?
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Reuben Staley
wrote:
> "AGANST" is not a valid vote :P
>
>
"AGANST" is not a valid vote :P
--
Trigon
On Oct 30, 2017 1:03 AM, "VJ Rada" wrote:
These votes are overridden if the contract JA:tC makes any of them
illegal. Any illegal vote is overridden by PRESENT, unless that is
also illegal, in which case I do not vote.
7931: FOR
7932: FOR
7933: FOR
793
The site is powered by Github Pages, which only does static web pages,
so it would still be dependent on people (or at least one person)
scraping the lists manually.
On 10/27/2017 4:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
It occurs to me that the Officer sections on agoranomic.org, instead
of depending on
I'm a bit busy today, but I should be able to make one in the next 24 hours.
--
Trigon
On Oct 25, 2017 2:50 PM, "Alexis Hunt" wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 at 22:53 Reuben Staley
> wrote:
>
>> I'll preface these questions with a story. Earlier this year, I wa
I might as well jump on the karma train too. The following is a notice of
honour: ATMunn recieves 1 karma for being a fantastic active new player,
and Ienpw III loses one karma for being inactive.
--
Trigon
On Oct 25, 2017 11:31 AM, "ATMunn" wrote:
I claim a reward of 5 shinies for my recent AD
That's an issue with Thunderbird. It saves all your drafts and then gets
confused and says you sent them all. You didn't. Everyone else just see
what you actually hit the send button on.
A way to circumvent this that only works if you don't care about
potentially losing work you didn't save manual
I'll preface these questions with a story. Earlier this year, I was
really into Nomic games, and I thought joining Agora would be fun. But,
the big wall of text that was the SLR frightened me and I decided to
stay out. When I came back, the HLR existed, and I was a lot less
frightened by the ru
Agencies were repealed in favor of contracts.
On 10/24/2017 5:41 PM, Madeline wrote:
I can't find any references to the Superintendent in the rules. Were
they part of something that got repealed recently?
On 2017-10-25 10:34, ATMunn wrote:
My first report! You may notice that this looks diff
I'm onboard with this, but I have a few things I'd like to address.
On 10/24/2017 11:42 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> I plan to run for the office
of Surveyor with a proposed set of land
reforms. The incumbant's tenure has been marked with a low, supply-
side policy that has marginalized land and ma
In my demo SLR, everything is wrapped to 72 columns.
--
Trigon
On Oct 23, 2017 9:00 AM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote:
On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> THE FULL LOGICAL RULESET
Comments:
1. A bunch of these still have wrapping problems. If it doesn't show
up in your cl
I use Thunderbird as well when I'm on a desktop. It's a good, free solution
and is very customisable.
When I'm on mobile though I use the very bad Gmail app. I should probably
find a better solution, but I haven't yet.
--
Trigon
On Oct 23, 2017 7:34 AM, "ATMunn ." wrote:
A few more questions I
Agronomy in Agora can still go a long way, and I don't think it should
be repealed. At most, it needs to be reworked. The sentiment among
Agorans is that we need a more player-centric economy, so that shinies
can trade hands between players rather than between Agora and a player.
On 10/22/2017
Why though? Even if it isn't an entirely useful of the game, I still
enjoy reading the newspaper every week.
On 10/22/2017 3:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
I create and spend a shiny to spend the following
Name: Repeal the Reportor
AI: 1
Author: me
Text: Repeal rule 2446 "The Agoran Newspaper"
--
Tri
it as "if you
don't do it,
they will".
天火狐
On 22 October 2017 at 10:44, Reuben Staley wrote:
Oh. Then it's PSS' responsibility now and not mine?
--
Trigon
On Oct 22, 2017 8:40 AM, "Alexis Hunt" wrote:
That was only an intent; you haven
ecome Rulekeepor. Think of it as "if you
don't do it,
they will".
天火狐
On 22 October 2017 at 10:44, Reuben Staley wrote:
Oh. Then it's PSS' responsibility now and not mine?
--
Trigon
On Oct 22, 2017 8:40 AM, "Alexis Hunt" wrote:
T
Oh. Then it's PSS' responsibility now and not mine?
--
Trigon
On Oct 22, 2017 8:40 AM, "Alexis Hunt" wrote:
That was only an intent; you haven't actually done it yet.
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 10:34 Reuben Staley wrote:
> Are people still not getting my message
Are people still not getting my messages? It's in a thread with the title
"Deputising for the rulekeepor".
--
Trigon
On Oct 22, 2017 8:31 AM, "Alexis Hunt" wrote:
> Huh? When?
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017, 10:26 Reuben Staley,
> wrote:
>
>> I don'
I don't think it's possible, as I have already deputized for rulekeepor.
--
Trigon
On Oct 22, 2017 5:42 AM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:
I pledge to deputize for the rulekeepor on October 19, 2017, if it is
still possible.
On 10/22/2017 12:14
I'd be willing to do one or all of these things. I've been around for
just under a month, so I think I know the gist of this game enough by
now to have responsibilities.
On 10/21/2017 10:14 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
Huh, you're right, I could have sworn I saw them there...
Rulekeepor is definite
Looks like I sent this message directly to Aris, instead of to the
discussion forum. So, I guess, TTttDF (this time to the discussion forum)?
--
Trigon
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Reuben Staley"
Date: Oct 20, 2017 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: DIS: Idea: Taxes
To: "Ari
Another thing to consider is placing a tax on commodities -- that is to
say resources that only a select few players can get their hands onto.
Estates, for example, only provide benefits to those who can afford
them; therefore, a tax could be placed on them.
Tangentially, there are other ways
I like this. Slight spelling fix, though: in the paragraph after the list
of protected actions, "ILLEGAL" is wrongly spelled "ILEGAL"
--
Trigon
On Oct 14, 2017 1:30 AM, "Aris Merchant"
wrote:
> Hello everyone! Here is the latest draft of my contracts proposal. I
> plan to submit it this weekend
I'm opposed to a debt system, but the first ways you suggested would work
better and be more enforceable than what I was trying to do.
--
Trigon
On Oct 13, 2017 12:59 AM, "Alex Smith" wrote:
On Fri, 2017-10-13 at 00:50 -0600, Reuben Staley wrote:
>If the person who pu
I already know this is gonna be very unpopular, especially among Agorans
who hold positions, but I think it's necessary.
I've seen lots of reports recently that have been CoE'd, and I think
it's time to set some limits.
{{{
Title: "Revision Limits"
Author: Trigon
Co-Authors:
AI: 1
Amend Rule
;
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> > On Thu, 2017-10-12 at 11:21 -0600, Reuben Staley wrote:
> > > This proto is definitely technically superior to the first one, but it
> has
> > > contradictions. One option is to replace "personal" with "third
Good points.
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Alex Smith
wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-10-12 at 11:21 -0600, Reuben Staley wrote:
> > This proto is definitely technically superior to the first one, but it
> has
> > contradictions. One option is to replace "personal" wi
This proto is definitely technically superior to the first one, but it has
contradictions. One option is to replace "personal" with "third person",
since "personal pronoun" refers to all three persons of pronoun.
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 10:57 AM, ATMunn . wrote:
> New proto:
>
> Title: "Clearing
Tacking prices onto everything is definitely one way to incentivize the
accumulation of wealth, but I'm not sure it's the best one.
--
Trigon
--
On Oct 9, 2017 3:38 PM, "VJ Rada" wrote:
Alexis is bang on. That's where I was going with "libertarian world"
bc in libertarian world you need
only allow them to perform actions.
>
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017, 04:12 Reuben Staley, wrote:
>
>> I intend, with 24 hours notice, to create the following agency, which is
>> enclosed in curly brackets below.
>>
>> {
>> Title: PPE (Proposal Penders' Exchange)
&g
xplicit wording... Gosh, now
I feel like such a hypocrite, criticising the wording of a rule then being
ambiguous with mine...
Either way, it was still fun while it lasted. Which is zero hours, but
whatever.
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Reuben Staley
wrote:
> In rereading my message, I noti
On Oct 9, 2017 2:12 AM, "Reuben Staley" wrote:
> I intend, with 24 hours notice, to create the following agency, which is
> enclosed in curly brackets below.
>
> {
> Title: PPE (Proposal Penders' Exchange)
> Agents: All persons
> Powers:
> If Trigon has at le
there will not be enough people to punish
the full attacking group. Giving karma to someone could also be exploited in
similar ways.
I'm not saying anyone in this community *would* do this, but it is possible,
which is why I'm tentative to endorse this proposal.
-- Reuben Staley
Hm. I intended for my name to display as "Trigon" as that is the name I am
called by in other Nomic Circles... oh well. If my name keeps showing up as my
real name, I'll just be called by Reuben.
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:59, Kerim Aydin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Reub
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