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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: > On 2017-11-28 13:05, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: > > > Not that it matters in this case, but what happens to the assets held by a > > > contract when it's destroyed? > > "If an asset would otherwise lack an owner, it is

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 21:24 Owen Jacobson wrote: > > > On Nov 23, 2017, at 12:07 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > > > I shiny-CFJ {The Door CAN generally be Slammed on a player after > > a Black Card is awarded to em, provided that eir most recent > deregistration >

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> On Nov 23, 2017, at 12:07 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I shiny-CFJ {The Door CAN generally be Slammed on a player after > a Black Card is awarded to em, provided that eir most recent deregistration > took place with eir consent. I’ll note that this was ineffective, as you did

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What if the asset could not be owned by Agora? On 11/27/2017 09:05 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: >> Not that it matters in this case, but what happens to the assets held by a >> contract when it's destroyed? > "If an asset would otherwise lack an owner, it is

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On 2017-11-28 13:05, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: Not that it matters in this case, but what happens to the assets held by a contract when it's destroyed? "If an asset would otherwise lack an owner, it is owned by Agora." And if Agora can't own a given type of

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: > Not that it matters in this case, but what happens to the assets held by a > contract when it's destroyed? "If an asset would otherwise lack an owner, it is owned by Agora."

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: omd used to have a size-limit on messages that e explicitly turned off for the Rulekeepor (the FLR was over the limit). Can't remember what the limit was or if it's still on. omd confirmed in ##nomic that this happened, and there were two messages by

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NttPF Greetings, Ørjan. On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 16:45 Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: Is it worth CFJing then? It's certainly intended to be the former, and the serial comma is only required in lists, right? -Aris

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I've actually been meaning to ask you this for a while Ørjan, and now seems like a decent time to do so (i don't mean to be rude or w/e obv). What's the story behind your watching of Agora? Because it seems like you were around in like 1993 and have been

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But what if it would? On 11/22/2017 7:08 PM, VJ Rada wrote: You know I actually have a completely legal way that may well work and be able to get infinite favours. It would be unethical to do it (I promised Cuddlebeam to keep it secret) but wouldn't it be funny if I did it? (The answer to

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Remember the way I tried to pay for the Estate? Given that economic favours are 1 shiny right now, o. could generate as many favours as e wanted if e got rid of eir shinies (e would be the earliest player to register w/ 0 shinies). E could, of course, do that for other people via contract if e got

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Trying to get infinite stuff has a good history if it's legal go for it, there's several rulings that may stop that kind of thing but you never know. The shinies system was broken in subtle ways, but some big systems have big loopholes from the start we just shrug and reset, better now then

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You know I actually have a completely legal way that may well work and be able to get infinite favours. It would be unethical to do it (I promised Cuddlebeam to keep it secret) but wouldn't it be funny if I did it? (The answer to that question is no, rada. it wouldn't) On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at

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One is to just say that it is poor drafting and therefore as soon as the currencies do not match, we do not know what is within the set and therefore only the bounds are known and valid. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Nov 22, 2017, at 7:03 PM,

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Pledges aren't a currency and I doubt anyone would support a fine like that. On 2017-11-23 11:02, VJ Rada wrote: The rule is pretty broken though tbh. Imagine if Alexis had decided to fine me 2 pledges (which are an asset). Are 2 pledges between 1 shiny and 3,000 favours? On Thu, Nov 23, 2017

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I'll put a solution to that in my ruling. -Aris On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 4:02 PM VJ Rada wrote: > The rule is pretty broken though tbh. Imagine if Alexis had decided to > fine me 2 pledges (which are an asset). Are 2 pledges between 1 shiny > and 3,000 favours? > > On Thu,

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We need to create a 2d graph with amounts as an x and currency as the y to help in this assessment. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Nov 22, 2017, at 7:02 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > The rule is pretty broken though tbh. Imagine if

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The rule is pretty broken though tbh. Imagine if Alexis had decided to fine me 2 pledges (which are an asset). Are 2 pledges between 1 shiny and 3,000 favours? On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Madeline wrote: > And it's not even REMOTELY impossible to tell the relative value,

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Because it has to go through the Agora mail server. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Nov 22, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Madeline wrote: > > Why does it take me a few minutes to receive messages D: > Whatever, Alexis beat Rada to the punch

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H. arbitor G., could you assign the blue card CFJ to me ASAP? It would be nice to get some closure on this. -Aris On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 3:59 PM ATMunn wrote: > Wait nevermind, maybe e didn't. > > On 11/22/2017 6:57 PM, ATMunn wrote: > > The transfer failed, as Alexis

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And it's not even REMOTELY impossible to tell the relative value, you did so yourself earlier to say 3000 favours was more than 25 shinies! On 2017-11-23 10:54, VJ Rada wrote: Arguments: Blue Cards states "The person issuing a Blue Card must, in the same message, announce a penalty between 1

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Wait nevermind, maybe e didn't. On 11/22/2017 6:57 PM, ATMunn wrote: The transfer failed, as Alexis had already acted on your behalf to pay the fine. On 11/22/2017 6:50 PM, VJ Rada wrote: I pay one shiny to create the following contract (destroying 10 bills and trading w/ ACU) TITLE: WHATEVER

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Huh, that is weird but fair enough! On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Madeline wrote: > SORE WA CHIGAU YO > "For each Party, there is a currency called Favours in that Party." > > > > On 2017-11-23 10:54, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> Arguments: Blue Cards states "The person issuing a

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 18:57 ATMunn wrote: > The transfer failed, as Alexis had already acted on your behalf to pay the > fine. > Assuming the Blue Card worked at all, yes.

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SORE WA CHIGAU YO "For each Party, there is a currency called Favours in that Party." On 2017-11-23 10:54, VJ Rada wrote: Arguments: Blue Cards states "The person issuing a Blue Card must, in the same message, announce a penalty between 1 shiny and the greater of 25 shinies and the amount the

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That reminds me more of a Demotivational poster than a meme... (we can solve the problem by defining anything actually funny to not be a meme). On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > I have found one, linked here: >

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I have found one, linked here: https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED147/55942c3c5fa5b.jpeg A mentor of mine has added the following text when showing it: This is like my dog. He brings a smile to my face, but I have to kick him down the stairs, then he rolls down, but otherwise he does

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Corona wrote: > I'll concede that my argument only applies if players think them > winning would be, by far, the most fun/ desirable experience. If > another player has done a lot for Agora, it will be natural to say "It > would be awesome if e were rewarded for eir effort".

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Okay, thanks for the explanation, but I still say anyone who wants to bring any kind of politics into Agora in anything other than a fun, light-hearted, joking, and non-demeaning way should pack their bags and get lost. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com

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We've had plenty of games that don't need any deceit or trading of wins. Simple trivia or puzzle contests for example.Farming games where everyone invests in a different portfolio, and portfolio success has random elements. I think, as impossible as it is to define algorithmically, it's

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I'll concede that my argument only applies if players think them winning would be, by far, the most fun/ desirable experience. If another player has done a lot for Agora, it will be natural to say "It would be awesome if e were rewarded for eir effort". Also, of course, Imperial nomics exist,

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Also, I don't think they were intended to actually mislead players, which is one of the requirements for a faking violation. You could not have thought that anyone was actually going to believe them, so no violation would have occurred. -Aris On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:53 PM, VJ Rada

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The lies were not the same every time though (for example: I am Uruguayan). They were in the form "in the next sentence, I will do something). So they were seperate. On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 9:53 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > i copied and pasted 3,000 lies, yes. they were the same lie,

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The basis is there are some kind of violations that are truly impossible to take back. E.g. if it's against the rule to reveal some secret information, and you reveal it, you can't undo that. Once you have that base case (situation where it's impossible to take something back), it's easy to

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i copied and pasted 3,000 lies, yes. they were the same lie, and i suppose the cards could have been challenged as such (given messages are supposed to be taken as a whole for no faking). On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Were they all the same

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Were they all the same lie? If so they may just be one violation in total anyway. (by the same principle of saying "I support" on a single intent 1000 times is only 1 support). On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > The violations were just no faking violations, not related to the > reeferee's

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it is a strong expectation in every game that every player can win the game, and has a decent chance of doing so. that's just what games do. On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 9:51 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > in that sense so is every game mechanic in every game ever created. > > On Thu, Nov

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in that sense so is every game mechanic in every game ever created. On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Corona wrote: > Yes, but enacting ribbons that everyone has a roughly equal chance of > winning is kind of "trading wins" > > On 11/22/17, Aris Merchant

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Yes, but enacting ribbons that everyone has a roughly equal chance of winning is kind of "trading wins" On 11/22/17, Aris Merchant wrote: > What about ribbons? One of those can be one by deceit, but most of > them are a matter of skill. What about victory

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What about ribbons? One of those can be one by deceit, but most of them are a matter of skill. What about victory elections, or medals of honor? None of these are intended to be won by deceit, nor do I think the players who enacted them each expected to win by them. -Aris On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at

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That's what I wondered: even though one annotation in the FLR says: "Players must obey the rules, even if no rule says so", which would, IMO, imply that ILLEGAL actions are IMPOSSIBLE, yet Agorans keep the distinction, as was explained to me by somebody, because an ILLEGAL action and its

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The violations were just no faking violations, not related to the reeferee's power. On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Oh, is there a finger-pointing that I should be doing something about > because of this clause: > >> When a Finger,

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I would not vote for such a mechanic unless I estimated, based on past experience, my proposal-voting abilities to be above these of other players. If it turns out a player is capable of voting on more proposals per month than I estimated, they have arguably commited some deceit by not correcting

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Corona wrote: > Indeed, if one is not willing to participate in the questionable > practice of trading wins (I'll support your proposal to award yourself > a win if you support mine), every win in nomics must involve some > level of deceit, as one can't force a win, or offer

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Oh, is there a finger-pointing that I should be doing something about because of this clause: > When a Finger, other than the Arbitor's, is Pointed over > an allegation related to the official duties or powers of the > Referee, then the Arbitor CAN, by announcement, take

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That's not true at all. Many meaningful win mechanics are as those in other games: the person who does best at something. For instance, we could decide to award a win to the player who votes on the most proposals in a month; no deceit is necessary for the competition. On Wed, Nov 22, 2017, 17:29

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Indeed, if one is not willing to participate in the questionable practice of trading wins (I'll support your proposal to award yourself a win if you support mine), every win in nomics must involve some level of deceit, as one can't force a win, or offer anything less than a win for a win, as

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I don't really dislike memes in general, but there are some that I certainly don't like, and some are outright stupid. There are some good ones in my opinion, though. Let's not get into a big meme vs anti-meme discussion, though. :P On 11/22/2017 5:25 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I am firmly

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Well, I do get it. If someone is the Banker in Monopoly, and says "I win" and you know for a fact that e just took all the money from the bank, a reasonable response is to grab eir money and put it back in the bank (which would also be "against the rules"). [At least that's the excuse I'm

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I am firmly opposed to memes. The represent the end of morality in our society. ;) Serriously though, I have yet to find a meme that actually feels funny to me. -Aris On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:05 PM VJ Rada wrote: > Character limit is good to know: means that if I ever do

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Yes, me neither, I don't like the idea of breaking the rules just to prevent a win. A win is a win, and if someone wins because of a scam, so what? They become the Speaker, and the game moves on. On 11/22/2017 3:44 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Wed, 2017-11-22 at 20:39 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:

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Character limit is good to know: means that if I ever do something this stupid again I'll just email everybody individually (yes, I suspected it was obviously not actually gmail's fault, the message sent just fine) And yes, "thanks Obama" is not a view on the real Obama. And your hard anti-meme

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On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > it wasn't going to be rule-breaking (was pledge-breaking). I did > actually commit 3,000 infractions and give myself 3,000 actual cards. > just gmail sucks. thaks obama. omd used to have a size-limit on messages that e explicitly turned off for the

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 16:53 VJ Rada wrote: > it wasn't going to be rule-breaking (was pledge-breaking). I did > actually commit 3,000 infractions and give myself 3,000 actual cards. > just gmail sucks. thaks obama. > That's still rule-breaking. So it doesn't actually end up

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Someone willing to Favor with intent for fast turnaround? On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 1:48 PM Alexis Hunt wrote: > > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 16:45 Aris Merchant < > > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Is it worth

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Three things: a) No, you didn't, it didn't reach the list, but Gmail had nothing to do with it. b) I don't want to argue with you, but what is Obama's connection to this? c) Grab your politics and run miles away with it, it doesn't belong in Agora. On 11/22/2017 04:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > it

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it wasn't going to be rule-breaking (was pledge-breaking). I did actually commit 3,000 infractions and give myself 3,000 actual cards. just gmail sucks. thaks obama. On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 15:52 Kerim Aydin

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On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 1:48 PM Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 16:45 Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Is it worth CFJing then? It's certainly intended to be the former, and > the > > serial comma is only required in lists, right?

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The problem is, "a player or a person" doesn't make terribly much sense in that light. All players are by definition people. -Aris On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 1:44 PM Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Is it worth CFJing then? It's certainly intended to be the former, and

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 15:52 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 2017-11-22 at 20:39 +, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > > Ahh, hmm, I think that might work provided we can get a non-player to > > > call sufficient CFJs. Given the volume

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The Oxford comma would be incorrect there. I think if you had meant it the way alexis reads it you would have said "a player or person who" instead of "a player or a person who" but it is true gramamatical ambiguity. On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Aris Merchant

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 16:45 Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Is it worth CFJing then? It's certainly intended to be the former, and the > serial comma is only required in lists, right? > > -Aris > Probably. I shiny-CFJ {The Door CAN generally be Slammed on a player

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Is it worth CFJing then? It's certainly intended to be the former, and the serial comma is only required in lists, right? -Aris On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 1:43 PM Alexis Hunt wrote: > I read that as (a player or a person)... not a player or (a person ...). > > On Wed, 22 Nov

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I read that as (a player or a person)... not a player or (a person ...). On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 16:42 VJ Rada wrote: > Oh, sorry, correct. > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > You are a player. Read it again.

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Oh, sorry, correct. On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > You are a player. Read it again. Also, sorry for the links. > > -Aris > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 1:38 PM VJ Rada wrote: > >> My most recent deregistration was

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You are a player. Read it again. Also, sorry for the links. -Aris On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 1:38 PM VJ Rada wrote: > My most recent deregistration was with my consent? It was back in august. > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Aris Merchant >

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But you are a player. On 11/22/2017 04:38 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > My most recent deregistration was with my consent? It was back in august. > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 11:15 AM Alexis Hunt

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My most recent deregistration was with my consent? It was back in august. On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 11:15 AM Alexis Hunt wrote: > >> As PSS said, the favour award succeeds. There is no

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Nevermind, I didn't read about the deputisation then. On 11/22/17, Corona wrote: > I nominate myself for referee, and pledge to withdraw my nomination if > I become Herald > > On 11/22/17, ATMunn wrote: >> I pledge to make myself a candidate

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On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 11:15 AM Alexis Hunt wrote: > As PSS said, the favour award succeeds. There is no requirement that > fingers be pointed to award favours. That said, this is an enormous abuse > of official power; V.J. Rada has shown emself unfit to be entrusted with >

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"Cards" is power 2. "Executive Orders" is power 2 and Dive says "notwithstanding the cards rule" or something like that. On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I think that it is clear that this won't work because 2504,

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black card? that's the only remedy, although the referee is free to not card. On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Yes I was just doing the sums of AP and shinies and realizing same. > > Well if a non-player wants to take this route I'm game to do the

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I think that it is clear that this won't work because 2504, the higher power rule states that your action is INEFFECTIVE. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > As PSS said, the favour

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2017-11-22 at 20:39 +, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > Ahh, hmm, I think that might work provided we can get a non-player to > > call sufficient CFJs. Given the volume we couldn't do it with Shinies > > alone. > > I can do 5, but am unwilling to

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Yes I was just doing the sums of AP and shinies and realizing same. Well if a non-player wants to take this route I'm game to do the Officing. Will raise an interesting question on what happens if a non-player unequivocally breaks a rule ("A person SHALL NOT initiate an excess case.") On Wed,

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On Wed, 2017-11-22 at 20:39 +, Alexis Hunt wrote: > Ahh, hmm, I think that might work provided we can get a non-player to > call sufficient CFJs. Given the volume we couldn't do it with Shinies > alone. I can do 5, but am unwilling to violate the rules as part of a counterscam. (Also, I

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Ahh, hmm, I think that might work provided we can get a non-player to call sufficient CFJs. Given the volume we couldn't do it with Shinies alone. On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 15:34 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > Thus, I think the

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: > Thus, I think the correct solution here is to have another officer issue > illegal favours to a number of people, each of whom influences politicians > sufficiently such that V.J. Rada cannot become an advisor, and agrees not > to use eir power. Then we

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No, because e is still interim. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:21 PM, ATMunn wrote: > > by the way, does the deputisation end the election I initiated? > > On 11/22/2017 2:20 PM, ATMunn wrote: >> RIP

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by the way, does the deputisation end the election I initiated? On 11/22/2017 2:20 PM, ATMunn wrote: RIP VJ Rada. I support. On 11/22/2017 2:15 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: As PSS said, the favour award succeeds. There is no requirement that fingers be pointed to award favours. That said, this is

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Especially scams on new big systems. In my mind, it points to the age-old problem of watching the watchmen. Every time we have criminal punishments, we either (a) have a cumbersome, process-laden system of justice that drags things out to the point of apathy (e.g. Agoran Consent for pledges).

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What e said. On 11/22/17, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > If I am elected Herald, I will attempt to award em the title of Scamster. > > On 11/22/2017 01:07 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: >> I support the intent to call in the pledge; or, if it was invalid,

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I wouldn't even necessarily call you a "bad player," scams are a part of Agora. I think just about everyone here has at least tried one to some extent, some successful, some not. I haven't tried scamming a win (yet!) but I did scam a free stamp just yesterday. On 11/22/2017 1:57 AM, VJ Rada

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If I am elected Herald, I will attempt to award em the title of Scamster. On 11/22/2017 01:07 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I support the intent to call in the pledge; or, if it was invalid, > intend with Agoran consent to call in the pledge. My basis for doing > so is that the notorious scamster

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

I've actually been meaning to ask you this for a while Ørjan, and now seems like a decent time to do so (i don't mean to be rude or w/e obv). What's the story behind your watching of Agora? Because it seems like you were around in like 1993 and have been watching quite actively for several years?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: Can we just never give you any in-game power ever again But it's so fun to watch! Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

yea don't award me a patent title for being a bad player. only diff between me and cuddlebeam is that most of my scams are non-frivolous. i mean if i won more than once (i have won once with the "with objection" stuff), with stuff like this, maybe. @aris: nah i'm actually cool w/ everything right

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: I pay V.J. Rada 10 shinies for the clever scam. H. Herald candidates, would you consider giving out Scamster for this? I don't think e ever actually won off a scam, but e's come close so many times that e deserves the accolade. Petard hoister.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

(I should probably stop being a jerk, sorry) On 2017-11-22 17:28, Madeline wrote: Well you're not the referee anymore :3 On 2017-11-22 17:24, VJ Rada wrote: I'm the referee, that would be illegal, I could card y'all etc. obviously the correct play would have been to do this JUST before the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

Well you're not the referee anymore :3 On 2017-11-22 17:24, VJ Rada wrote: I'm the referee, that would be illegal, I could card y'all etc. obviously the correct play would have been to do this JUST before the beginning of an agoran week. but the message seemingly STILL hasn't sent, so that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

you know what else? you know what the hell else? this is one day before i would have got a green ribbon for referee. ugh. most of my horrible scam attempts are come up with on my really boring busride home, maybe i should take up drawing or something. On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:24 PM, VJ Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

I'm the referee, that would be illegal, I could card y'all etc. obviously the correct play would have been to do this JUST before the beginning of an agoran week. but the message seemingly STILL hasn't sent, so that would have been hard. On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Madeline

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

It's not even that clever, we talked about it before the proposal was officially submitted and agreed that as it would never actually work, hopefully no one would waste their time attempting it. I support the intent to call in the pledge, as fingers were indeed pointed explicitly contrary to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

In addition, any other favour-granting officer (such as me) could do EXACTLY the same thing to stop you from becoming the advisor of anyone. On 2017-11-22 17:04, VJ Rada wrote: Expedition is still 7 day voting period! Balloons automatically are created at the beginning of each agoran week

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

Expedition is still 7 day voting period! Balloons automatically are created at the beginning of each agoran week (next monday). So it would have worked. On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Madeline wrote: > For the record, it wouldn't have worked. None of favours, influence, or >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

For the record, it wouldn't have worked. None of favours, influence, or advising are secured, and with the power of expedition we could get the proposal through before you won on balloons. On 2017-11-22 16:58, VJ Rada wrote: i'm s pissed that i lost the easiest win in the history of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

i'm s pissed that i lost the easiest win in the history of easy wins because of emails. On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 4:58 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > i mean yeah ok. not exactly standing for re-election here. > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Madeline

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

i mean yeah ok. not exactly standing for re-election here. On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Madeline wrote: > Can we just never give you any in-game power ever again > > > > On 2017-11-22 16:52, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> Ah... the favours don't work because it looks like agora

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

Can we just never give you any in-game power ever again On 2017-11-22 16:52, VJ Rada wrote: Ah... the favours don't work because it looks like agora hasn't received the message causing them yet. No surprise, it's _very long. Unfortunately, I can't award them again when the message DOES go