DIS: Re: BUS: How to Break Your Promise

2020-02-08 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 5:47 PM Tanner Swett via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit a proposal, titled "Promissory cleanliness", with AI = 1.7: { > > Append the following paragraph to Rule 2450 "Pledges": > > The Notary CAN destroy a pledge Without Objection, and

DIS: Inquiry (attn. Assessor)

2020-02-10 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
H. Assessor, the Promotorial Proposal Office is tentatively holding off on distributing the next round of proposals until the current round is resolved. In particular, we believe that it would be advantageous for the Proposal 8320 to be resolved so that unassigned proposals can be referred to

Re: [attn: promotor] Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PSA: Online ruleset viewer

2020-02-10 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 3:31 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On 2/9/2020 3:01 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > I strongly oppose this. In my view, inquiry cases should generally > > *not* be the officer making the initial

DIS: [Promotor] Ministerial Referrals

2020-02-25 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Definition: To refer a proposal to a chamber is to set its chamber switch to that chamber. The Promotor hereby refers each proposal below as follows: The proposal "Calls with Memoranda" by Gaelan is referred to the Ministry of Justice. The proposal "Self-punishment" by Jason is referred to the

DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-02-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Here's a draft report. -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid options

Re: DIS: Proto-corporation: the TCC Corporation

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Oh, another thing. What about nonmember parties to the contract? Nothing protects their rights, which makes things very dicey if one ever loses one's share. Three possible solutions: 1) Automatic ejection of non-shareholder parties; 2) a provision that one cannot transfer a share if it would cause

Re: DIS: Proto-corporation: the TCC Corporation

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
I'd prefer a "This contract does not allow anyone to act on behalf of its members except as explicitly provided to the contrary", if that's part of the intent. Otherwise, ordinary proposals could potentially be used to allow appropriation of non-contract assets from members, which I don't think is

DIS: Re: BUS: Shortening of name

2020-01-25 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Thank you! Thank you! You have no idea how much easier this makes to fit in the authors on a proposal distribution. (Please, no one respond by being contrary and expanding their Agoran name.) -Aris On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 7:28 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Apathy

2020-01-22 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 9:44 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 1/22/2020 8:13 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 02:11, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > > wrote: > >> Why are we reading the date-stamp

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Editorial Guidelines

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:23 AM omd via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:07 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Personally, I’m vaguely of the opinion that we should switch to > they/them instead of Spivak in general. Our use

Re: DIS: Proto-corporation: the TCC Corporation

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 9:41 PM Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:06 AM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion > wrote: > > [...] > > > On Jan 23, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion > > > wrote: > > > Of course, "TCC" stands for "the TCC

Re: DIS: Some thoughts on pragmatism and accounting

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:46 AM Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > > I've been thinking about what makes Agora difficult to play as compared to > other games. > > Something I've noticed about the current rules is that lots of game actions > and effects are all woven together in such a

DIS: The Very Worst Thing That Could Possibly Happen (Attn. Distributor)

2020-01-27 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Agora has been around a very long time, and it looks like it’ll be around much longer. That means that, someday, inevitably, my worst nightmare will come true. Unless we do something to stop it. A Prophecy of Doom One day, all of a sudden, the lists fail. The archives go down with them. An

Re: DIS: The Very Worst Thing That Could Possibly Happen (Attn. Distributor)

2020-01-27 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
gt; > On Jan 27, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > > > Agora has been around a very long time, and it looks like it’ll be around > > much longer. That means that, someday, inevitably, my worst nightmare will > > come true. Unless we

Re: DIS: The Very Worst Thing That Could Possibly Happen (Attn. Distributor)

2020-01-28 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 12:47 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/28/20 2:14 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 12:03 AM omd via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > > >> I suppose I could mirror the archiv

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Erm... you might want to check this list again. You have it going 3, 4, 6, 7. -Aris On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:52 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 13:45, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Help with Forgotten Announcements, Support Improvements

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:38 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 17:34, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business < > > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: And in lighter news... [DoV]

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:44 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 1/29/2020 11:17 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > > Having achieved a full set of 16 Ribbons, including the new Emerald > > Ribbon, I Raise a Banner, causing me to win the game. > > Congratulations!!

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:23 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/28/20 10:26 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > > Amend Rule 2438 ("Ribbons") as follows: > > > > Replace the paragraph starting "While a person qualifies..." with > > the following: > > > I know this is

Re: DIS: Re: [CFJ] Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:08 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 20:45, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > Jason wrote: > > > On 1/28/20 10:26 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > > > > > > >

Re: DIS: Some thoughts on pragmatism and accounting

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:31 PM Alexis Hunt wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 15:22, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> Oh, light, no. Last time we tried to store money as accounts it was an >> infernal mess. It lead to a never ending series of b

Re: DIS: [Proto-Proposals] The beginnings of reform

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
A few comments: * "Body of law" is a very long phrase for such an important concept. Could we try to come up with something shorter? If not, we could shorten it to "BoL", though that doesn't have quite the same ring as "CoE". * Your proposal titles are very long, and the Promotor's office would

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:27 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 23:08, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > Here's a draft report. Comments are, as

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
I caught an error: Rewards Patch & Equitable Remedy is AI 1.0. -Aris On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:08 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > Here's a draft report. Comments are, as always, highly appreciated. > > -Aris > --- > I hereby distribute each liste

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Zombie proposals

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:45 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Wed., Jan. 29, 2020, 23:35 Luke Tyler via agora-discussion, < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > > > Amend Rule 2532 (Zombies) by: > > > - appending "A player CAN,

DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Here's a draft report. Comments are, as always, highly appreciated. -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 7, the voting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Finite Gifting

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:52 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 1/29/2020 5:14 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > > G. wrote: > >> awww - i'd seen that and my birthday is Feb 4th > > > > Same, though it sounds like it wouldn't have gone unnoticed until May >

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
> -Aris > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:13 PM Aris Merchant > wrote: > > > > I caught an error: Rewards Patch & Equitable Remedy is AI 1.0. > > > > -Aris > > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:08 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > &

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Another error: The title of the proposal "Sergeant-at-Arms" was not in the full text section. -Aris On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:13 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > > I caught an error: Rewards Patch & Equitable Remedy is AI 1.0. > > -Aris > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at

DIS: Rulekeeping Request (Attn. Rulekeepor)

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
For rule cleanings, it would be nice (IMHO) to have who cleaned the rule be part of the annotation, for the historical record. One could tack something like “on the application of ” onto the end of the annotation so that we’d know who did it. Obviously, this wouldn’t apply retroactively unless

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-06 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:47 AM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 17:34, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 2/6/20 12:02 PM, James Cook wrote: > > > It's not clear to me your judgement would break self-ratification of > > > switch reports. Aris's

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-01-30 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 11:21 AM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 14:00, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Please cut the natural fact/legal fact distinction. It isn't helping > > anything, and is just confusing and unnecessa

DIS: Degree Naming Ideas (Attn. Herald)

2020-01-30 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
I had an idea for making degrees more interesting. I was thinking that the Herald might, for instance, record twg's degree not as "A.N." (if it ends up being an A.N.) but as "A.N. in Devious Oratory". We could go back and find appropriate subjects for all of the existing degrees with surviving

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-01-30 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:30 PM Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > > I have a half-serious half-proto-proposal: > > "Implicit Ratification", AI: 3 > > Repeal all rules relating to ratification. Enact the following rule: { > > In the course of playing the game, it is inevitable that from

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-01-30 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:53 AM Alexis Hunt via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Wed., Jan. 29, 2020, 23:29 Aris Merchant via agora-discussion, < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > > 8312# Alexis 1.0

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-01-30 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
I’m not Alexis, but I do have some replies of my own. On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:11 PM omd via agora-discussion wrote: > > > A legal fiction's direct effects > > are retroactive to the time so specified, for which it operates > > notwithstanding any rule to the contrary. Beyond that time, its > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 4:17 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 2/1/20 7:14 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > No worries, it happens to all of us. That's why we have review > > mechanisms in place. The review of o

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Some questions, some thoughts, and a proposed newsletter

2020-02-01 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 6:25 PM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > Questions for anyone interested in Agora: > > 1. Would you be interested in seeing an Agoran newsletter? Not like >"Last week in Agora"; I mean something more carefully written and >covering a longer span of time.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 4:05 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > On 2/1/20 6:57 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > I intend, with 2 support, to group-file a motion to reconsider. > > I self-file a motion to reconsider in CFJ 3788. > > > > This > > seems to me to fundamentally

Fwd: BUS: Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-01 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
(TTttDF forward.) On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 8:17 AM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > This is a counter-proto to Alexis's "Ratification by Legal Fiction", in > the sense that I think it also fixes the problem of ratification > failing due to minimal gamestate changes being ambiguous. It is

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3805 Assigned to Aris

2020-01-31 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 3:10 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 at 15:37, Kerim Aydin via agora-official < > agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > The below CFJ is 3805. I assign it to Aris. > > > >

Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-02 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 10:43 PM Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 01:05 omd via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > Hmm... Good point. It shouldn't be. The point was to clarify that > > even if the gamestate doesn't have a list of

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-01-30 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:18 AM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > Ugh, so, I just realized with G.'s recent point about the tally of > votes in Agoran decisions possibly being self-ratifying, that > ratifying the outcome of a decision could have all sorts of > backwards-propagating

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Zombie proposals

2020-01-30 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:05 AM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu., Jan. 30, 2020, 00:47 Aris Merchant via agora-discussion, < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > If you’re going to do a revision, I’d appreciate it if you made the zombie >

Re: DIS: Rulekeeping Request (Attn. Rulekeepor)

2020-01-30 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:08 AM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 1/30/20 1:31 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > For rule cleanings, it would be nice (IMHO) to have who cleaned the rule be > > part of the annota

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:10 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 1/30/2020 9:03 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 16:55, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion > > wrote: > >> On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 10:32, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > >>

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-01-30 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Oh, I caught another thing. For "Legal fictions are evaluated in chronological order", is that chronological order of creation (which I think you mean) or chronological order of starttime/midtime/endtime/something else? Please make it explicit in the text. -Aris On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:56 AM

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:20 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 1/30/2020 9:06 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 17:03, James Cook wrote: > >> Here's a somewhat different way we could do it: > >> > >> * An announcement resolving a decision

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3805 judged TRUE

2020-02-06 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:29 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 23:46, Aris Merchant via agora-business > wrote: > > > > [Sorry if this came out a bit confusing or has errors. I'm a bit > > rushed and I don't have time to edit ATM.] > > I'm disappointed that you

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Some questions, some thoughts, and a proposed newsletter

2020-02-06 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 8:16 PM James Cook wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 02:42, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 6:25 PM James Cook via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > > > > > Questions for anyone intere

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Last Week in Agora

2020-02-06 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 8:04 PM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 23:52, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Falsifian wrote: > > > Welcome Tcbapo! > > > > > > A lot happened last week. twg won the game the hard way. Many parts of > > > the rules are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning

2020-02-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:52 AM Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 13:32 Aris Merchant via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I intend, without objection, to clean Rule 591 by inserting a period > > at the end of the first three bulleted

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3805 judged TRUE

2020-02-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:07 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > The Archives are now CFJ 3805 compliant. After clicking on CFJ 3805 in the archives, I have to disagree. :) -Aris

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:34 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/20/20 10:22 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > > // > > ID: 8299 > > Title: The Reset Button v2 > > Adoption index: 3.0 > > Author: Aris >

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Why would we want this? Our system is explicitly designed to make sure that people can't announce intent to do something with support or with Agoran consent, and then single-handedly tank the intent. That sort of thing was the source of scams (or at least I seem to recall hearing it was) and

Re: DIS: The Very Worst Thing That Could Possibly Happen (Attn. Distributor)

2020-01-28 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 12:03 AM omd via agora-discussion wrote: > I suppose I could mirror the archives on GitHub, which would be less > idiosyncratic and more resilient to me getting hit by a bus. That > would, however, imply giving up on obfuscating email addresses, unless > I made the repo

DIS: The Reset Button v3

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Here's a new version of the Reset Button that would resolve various concerns that have been raised. Tell me what y'all think. -Aris --- Title: The Reset Button v3 Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Aris Co-authors: G., twg If no proposal whose title contains the text "Administrative Adjudication" has

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Fwd: [Arbitor] CFJ 3796 Assigned to omd

2020-01-31 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 9:25 PM Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > > Gratuitous postmortem arguments on CFJ 3796: > > I don't think it's necessary to bring Rule 217 into this at all; scams > of this type simply can't work. I'll explain why I think that. > > Imagine that the city of Grand

DIS: Re: BUS: Fwd: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:48 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > I vote as follows, and act on behalf of o to vote as follows: > > > 8288 omd 1.0 Glitteral > Endorse the Treasuror. This takes away the requirement to specify the > reward amount explicitly in the

DIS: Re: BUS: A rejoinder

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:32 PM Tanner Swett via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I register again. > > —Warrigal Welcome back! -Aris > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] Leaving the bourgeoisie

2020-02-17 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 11:48 PM sukil via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > El 18/02/2020 a las 1:49, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business escribió: > > Alexis wrote: > >> I point a finger at myself for failing to appoint a Speaker in a timely > fashion. > > Oh good

Re: DIS: CFJ 3813 proto-judged FALSE

2020-02-20 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 2/20/20 6:08 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > > I’ll start with the second question. It appears that the version of the > > rule in question there was 8139/20. (The court admonishes G. for failing to >

Re: DIS: CFJ 3813 proto-judged FALSE

2020-02-20 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:20 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 2/20/20 9:48 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > So if the 2017 definition of "contract" clearly did NOT include the > Rules, > > then (when the rules changed in 2018) there

Re: DIS: CFJ 3813 proto-judged FALSE

2020-02-20 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 6:52 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 2/20/2020 5:49 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 2/20/20 7:08 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > >> So when R1742 was re-implemented (replacing R2520-2527),

Re: [attn: promotor] Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PSA: Online ruleset viewer

2020-02-09 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 3:02 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 17:59, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion > wrote: > > I mean, didn’t we just do that, without any explicit rule at all? All we > > need is an informal policy that we go with the officer’s

Re: DIS: Fixing zombie auctions

2020-02-09 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 4:37 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > I'd like to fix zombie auctions, but the current rules are complex and > I am not sure the best way to approach it. I was working on a proto > that created an Escrow Trust which would hold assets up for auction... > except

Re: DIS: Question for the promotor

2020-02-09 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 3:58 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > If resubmitting an failed proposal without changes, do you prefer to > have it repeated or is it enough to let you copy-paste it? Letting me copy-paste it would be easier (I can keep the formatting), but please give the

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Assessor] Draft resolutions of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-09 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 4:10 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 19:00, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On 2/9/20 6:42 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > > The original AI was 2 when it was submitted.

DIS: Re: BUS: [attn Promotor] Proposal: Fix Auctions

2020-02-09 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
You might want to check the AI on that? -Aris On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 6:13 PM Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > > Proposal: Fix Auctions > > Amend Rule 2549 (Auction Initiation) by replacing this text: > >An Auction also CANNOT be initiated unless the Auctioneer is able >

DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-02-09 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Here is a draft report. -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid

Re: [another CFJ] Re: [Proposal] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] [attn Rulekeepor] Re: BUS: [attn: Tailor] Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-14 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:42 AM Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > > I wrote: > > I submit the following proposal: > > > > Title: 풥퓊풹풾풸풾풶퓁 풥표풸퓊퓁풶퓇풾퓉퓎 풜풸퓉 > > Adoption index: 1.7 > > Chamber: Justice > > Author: twg > > Co-authors: > > > > Amend Rule 591, "Delivering Judgement", by

Re: DIS: [draft] [Registrar] End of February zombie auction, if it exists

2020-02-14 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:48 AM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > *Cuddle Beam's Master switch was flipped during auction. According to > the last paragraph of Rule 1885, the winner of Cuddle Beam NEED NOT > pair eir bid and will not receive Cuddle Beam. If the bid isn't paired with

Re: DIS: reply-to headers always pointing to this list

2020-02-14 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:16 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:09 PM Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > omd wrote: > > > Yep, but speaking as the Distributor, I think it would be nice to have > > >

Re: DIS: Numbers and dependent actions

2020-02-14 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:45 PM sukil via agora-discussion wrote: > > > El 14/02/2020 a las 18:06, James Cook escribió: > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 13:06, sukil via agora-discussion > > wrote: > >> El 13/02/2020 a las 13:24, AIS523--- via agora-discussion escribió: > >>> On Thu, 2020-02-13 at

DIS: Quick Scheduling Update

2020-02-22 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Just so everyone knows, I've been traveling, but intend to catch up on Agoran stuff over the next day or so. -Aris

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Renumbered Index: Proposals 8322-3341

2020-02-13 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 5:27 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 00:04, Aris Merchant via agora-official > wrote: > > To the extent that my official numbering decisions have any meaning at > > this point, I reverse any action I took in this message. > > For

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8322-3541

2020-02-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:11 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 2/12/20 10:18 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > > ID Author(s)AITitle > > --- > > 8322* Falsifian, Alexis, twg

DIS: [Promotor] Draft Rerenumbered Index

2020-02-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Would someone please check me on this? I don't trust myself anymore. -Aris --- It has come to the attention of the Promotorial Proposal Office that certain proposals were incorrectly numbered. Twice. I sincerely apologize for this grave lapse. All proposals numbered 33## or 35## and distributed

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Renumbered Index: Proposals 8322-3341

2020-02-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:54 PM Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > i would like to know why in god's name have we gone from the 8000s to the > 3000s with a letter on top, why not use the 9000s??? > The letters are a result of Proposal 8291, "Interesting Chambers v3.1". The numbering is a

Re: DIS: [Draft] Contract Patency v2

2020-01-08 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
ame, and I’m not *that* unhappy with > the proposal as it stands, so I would probably vote FOR even as it is. > > Gaelan > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > > > I think this addresses everyone's concerns. Comments are welcom

DIS: [Draft] Administrative Adjudication v2

2020-01-08 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
I made several changes, including clarifying that the judiciary has judicial review over memoranda. I also decided to go in the direction of making memoranda purely interpretative, because I have other plans for gamestate changes that have more safeguards. I've allowed them to be like CFJs or

DIS: Contract Patency v3

2020-01-08 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Gaelan's comments made me think of a way to tear out pacts completely. It's a bit less backwards compatible, but also vastly simplified. -Aris --- Title: Contract Patency v3 Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Aris Co-authors: Gaelan, Jason Cobb, Falsifian Amend Rule 2519, "Consent", to read in full:

Re: DIS: [Draft] Contract Patency v2

2020-01-08 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 2:42 PM AIS523--- via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 14:31 -0800, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > I think this addresses everyone's concerns. Comments are welcome. > [snip] > > Amend Rule 2519, "Consent"

Re: DIS: [Draft] Contract Patency v2

2020-01-08 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 6:28 PM Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > >>> 1. e, acting as emself, has publicly stated, and not subsequently > >>> publicly withdrawn eir state

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Forbes 500

2020-01-11 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:26 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 1/11/2020 10:53 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 13:25, Jason Cobb wrote: > > > >> I suppose. I was considering keeping them to try to bribe people, but > >> since they're pretty useless, that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Herald] Weekly Report

2020-01-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 8:34 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 1/12/2020 3:21 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:20 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business > > wrote: > >> >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Herald] Weekly Report

2020-01-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:20 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > On 1/12/2020 3:15 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Herald's Weekly report > > > > Date of Last Report: 07 Dec 2019 > > Date of This Report: 12 Jan 2020 > While your at it, your report seems to suggest that there both is and

DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-01-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
We haven’t awarded Silver Quills for any year since 2015. 2019’s awards will be dealt with in this year’s awards month, but that leaves 2016, 2017, and 2018. Would anyone mind if I, as Promotor, suggested Silver Quills for those years? I was only Promotor for part of 2016, but it was a very

Re: DIS: [Drafts] Administrative Law

2020-01-18 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 7:40 AM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/16/20 10:45 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > Title: Consolidated Regulatory Recordkeeping > > Adoption index: 3.0 > > Author: Aris > > Co-authors: > > &g

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3784, 3785, and 3785.5 judged FALSE

2020-01-18 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 4:14 PM omd via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 2:48 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > So this judgement actually extends the concept of physical reality quite a > > bit, by saying "even though no rule outright forbids this, we're still

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cleanings

2020-01-18 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:31 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 01:01, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 8:27 PM Ale

DIS: Re: BUS: Warranty

2020-01-19 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 6:21 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 20:42, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > What I will not do, barring sufficiently persuasive arguments to the > >

DIS: Theses in the Agoran Context: A Query

2020-01-19 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
What exactly are the expectations for theses? It's not very well spelled out in the relevant rule (probably something we should fix). I'm working on a thesis, on and off, and I want to make sure I'm doing it right. -Aris

DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-01-19 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Here's a draft. The actual report will be about a day late; I sincerely apologize for my tardiness, and I hope the extra day won't cause significant trouble. Given how big this distribution has turned out to be, I don't feel comfortable sending this out without a draft to catch errors. -Aris ---

Re: DIS: Proto-proto: Findings of Law & Fact

2020-01-19 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 4:06 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 18:52, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > My gut feeling is that this is a bit overcomplicated. There are too > > ma

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Warranty

2020-01-19 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 4:20 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 1/19/2020 3:29 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > Twg, can we have the same warranty (in public, to be clear) from you? > > I phrased it so that it works the same way even with your whole zombie > >

Re: DIS: Proto-proto: Findings of Law & Fact

2020-01-19 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
My gut feeling is that this is a bit overcomplicated. There are too many categories. Additionally, I dislike this sort of pragmatization. The generally platonic model has served Agora well the vast majority of the time. I don't have extended reasoning here, those are just my initial reactions.

DIS: Re: BUS: Warranty

2020-01-19 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Okay, that was astonishingly convincing. I’m not going to change my personal approach to scams (at the very least ones that use my official position; I don’t think I’ve ever stated on record that I’ll never write a scam proposal, though I’ve also scrupulously avoided doing so). However, you have

DIS: Re: BUS: Warranty

2020-01-19 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
The vast majority of thesis publications I’ve seen are either legal or historical. If anything, this is exactly the sort of thing that shouldn’t qualify for a J.N. IMO, it’s about public policy, not rule interpretation. -Aris On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 7:05 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business <

Re: DIS: Contract Patency v3

2020-01-16 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
They're just so minimal and lightweight that getting rid of them feels like a tragedy. Also, any takers for Notary? -Aris On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 8:31 PM James Cook wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 at 01:24, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Amend rule 2450, "

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