Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: assign Iammars, OscarMeyr, root

2008-01-01 Thread Charles Reiss
On Jan 1, 2008 11:28 AM, Iammars [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you say concurring opinion, do you want an opinion on the original statement or an opinion on why it should be appealed? Rule 911 defines the term: A panel CAN publish a concurring opinion when judging AFFIRM, and SHALL

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1846a: assign Goethe, root, woggle (fwd)

2008-01-07 Thread Charles Reiss
On Jan 7, 2008 2:08 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now combined with root's. I intend to act as following on behalf of the Panel: The panel overrules to TRUE. The judge has only been cursory in examining the purpose of words: eg, communication. In particular, for the purposes

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 1850

2008-01-07 Thread Charles Reiss
On Jan 7, 2008 6:02 PM, Josiah Worcester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I intend to appeal this judgement. Maybe you'd like to describe the method of dependent action as rule 1728 would seem to require to initiate an Agoran decision on this matter? - woggle

DIS: Re: BUS: Fixing the Right of Attorney system

2008-01-08 Thread Charles Reiss
On Jan 8, 2008 6:26 PM, Josiah Worcester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit the following proposal (AI=2, coauthor to anyone who tells me what needs to be fixed, if anything): Create a rule title Power of Attorney, Power 2, with the following text: A Power of Attorney is a kind of public

Re: DIS: Proto-Judgement CFJ 1862

2008-01-10 Thread Charles Reiss
On Jan 10, 2008 4:58 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2008 2:38 PM, Iammars [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FACT 4: Bearing Patent Titles isn't limited to persons. (Only being awarded a patent title is limited to persons.) Devil's advocate here. What about the first sentence of

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1860a: assign Murphy, root, woggle

2008-01-11 Thread Charles Reiss
On Jan 11, 2008 5:49 AM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hereby assign the judicial panel of Murphy, root, and woggle as judge of CFJ 1860a. Proto-judgement here: With the consent of Murphy and root, I intend to have the panel rule REASSIGN. Arguments: The original judge's ruling is clearly

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1860a: assign Murphy, root, woggle

2008-01-11 Thread Charles Reiss
On Jan 11, 2008 4:50 PM, Josiah Worcester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 11 January 2008 10:55:49 Ian Kelly wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 7:55 AM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 5:49 AM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hereby assign the judicial panel of Murphy

DIS: Proto-Proposal: Determined Partnerships

2008-01-11 Thread Charles Reiss
Proto-Proposal: Title: Determined Partnerships (AI=2) { Amend rule 2145 by replacing the text: A partnership that is a public contract and whose basis contains at least two persons is a person. with: If, using information required to be in officers' reports, it can be

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1860a: assign Murphy, root, woggle

2008-01-14 Thread Charles Reiss
On Jan 11, 2008 9:55 AM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 5:49 AM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hereby assign the judicial panel of Murphy, root, and woggle as judge of CFJ 1860a. Proto-judgement here: With the consent of Murphy and root, I intend to have

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1868: notify woggle

2008-01-14 Thread Charles Reiss
On Jan 14, 2008 7:09 PM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H. woggle, I hereby inform you of criminal case 1868 in which you are the defendant, and invite you to rebut the argument for your guilt. Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1868 ==

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1872: assign BobTHJ

2008-01-15 Thread Charles Reiss
On Jan 15, 2008 4:34 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 15, 2008 2:33 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fortunately, the rules don't provide any way for a nonperson to become a person (other than by ceasing to exist). That should be for a person to become a nonperson...

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Non-Assessor] Voting Limits Non-Report

2008-01-16 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thursday 17 January 2008 00:23:55 Benjamin Schultz wrote: On Jan 16, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Benjamin Schultz wrote: From R869: A player CAN deregister by announcement. E CANNOT register within thirty days after doing so. Enjoy your

DIS: Re: BUS: Ratification

2008-01-17 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thursday 17 January 2008 22:45:30 Ed Murphy wrote: pikhq wrote: On Thursday 17 January 2008 14:56:13 Josiah Worcester wrote: I intend to ratify Murphy's report on the voting results on proposals 5390-5404. I claim this as erroneous. The purported report, or your intent to ratify

Re: DIS: On second thought, let's not wait

2008-01-17 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thursday 17 January 2008 21:52:25 Ed Murphy wrote: [snip] Net changes: pikhq would have 4 more Rests and a Blue Ribbon. pikhq has a Blue Ribbon regardless (from eir judgement on culpability in CFJ 1866 if the original resolution was valid, from VC conversion otherwise). - H. Possibly

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] updated report

2008-01-19 Thread Charles Reiss
On Saturday 19 January 2008 22:56:48 Levi Stephen wrote: [...] Date of this report: Sat 19 Jan 08 [...] Fri 18 Jan 01:34:12 Murphyinstalled as Assessorby Murphy (DO) [...] Office Holder Since Last R2154 Stability

Re: DIS: Proto-notification 2

2008-01-20 Thread Charles Reiss
On Monday 21 January 2008 00:08:41 Josiah Worcester wrote: The Office of Ambassador of Agora Nomic presents its compliments to the Canadian Embassy in Denver and directs the attention of the latter I think you mean the Consulate General. -woggle

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ratification

2008-01-21 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tuesday 22 January 2008 02:45:09 Levi Stephen wrote: Josiah Worcester wrote: On Monday 21 January 2008 19:37:28 Ian Kelly wrote: On Jan 21, 2008 7:21 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend to ratify my message alleging to announce the voting results of proposals 5390-5404.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Smaller Contracts

2008-01-24 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thursday 24 January 2008 17:20:44 Ian Kelly wrote: On Jan 24, 2008 9:46 AM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this still leaves small contracts in a bad state under the rules, given that amending, terminating and changing the parties (except by adding new parties

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Smaller Contracts

2008-01-24 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thursday 24 January 2008 20:04:04 comex wrote: On Jan 24, 2008 11:46 AM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enact a new rule titled Defining Contract Changes, with Power 1.5: A Contract Change can be one or more of any of the following: (a) a person who intends

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1882 assigned to woggle

2008-01-24 Thread Charles Reiss
On Friday 25 January 2008 04:02:07 Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1882 == CFJ 1882 == watcher is a Player

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1882 assigned to woggle

2008-01-25 Thread Charles Reiss
On Friday 25 January 2008 05:36:18 Ed Murphy wrote: woggle wrote: There is some evidence that Pravita did not intend to become a player. This might be seen to create a R101 issue, since per R2171, the registration process is to preserve player's rights as if entering the rules were a

Re: DIS: Proto: Quorum Busting

2008-01-28 Thread Charles Reiss
On Monday 28 January 2008 21:02:55 Jeremy Koo wrote: With the following I hope to eliminate situations where a vote of OBJECT would result in a given vote achieving quorum, making the objector's vote that allows the vote to be accepted. Uh, perhaps you didn't notice that the quorum on

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1882a assigned to Levi, Goethe, root

2008-01-30 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wednesday 30 January 2008 17:43:08 Levi Stephen wrote: I agree to REMAND also. Is it also worth considering the possibility that the registration notice registered a player 'Pavitra', rather than 'watcher'? (I believe this was the initial interpretation from the registrar?) I believe that

DIS: Proto-judgement of CFJ 1882

2008-02-02 Thread Charles Reiss
Soliciting comments/things I may have forgotten here: Examining Pavitra's message in the context of the panel's concerns, I must examine what effect the modifier 'as a watcher' as upon Pavitra's alleged message of registration. There are several plausible interpretations: (1) Pavitra intends to

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1889 assigned to woggle

2008-02-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Friday 01 February 2008 23:44:07 Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1889 == CFJ 1889 == Zefram violated Rule 2149 in the above message by making the statement I intend to deputise

Re: DIS: Proto-judgement of CFJ 1882

2008-02-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Saturday 02 February 2008 15:57:40 Zefram wrote: Charles Reiss wrote: I strongly disagree. R754's preference for rule-defined definitions would be of little effect is we always choose the most plausible interpretation instead of choosing the rule-defined one whenever it might reasonably

DIS: Re: BUS: Scam-busting

2008-02-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Saturday 02 February 2008 21:24:37 Ian Kelly wrote: On Feb 2, 2008 9:58 AM, Josiah Worcester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I CFJ on the following: comex's non-binding agreement 'X' is a contract. This may not be sufficient; there are other reasons that the scam may have failed. I CFJ on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scam-busting

2008-02-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Saturday 02 February 2008 21:53:12 comex wrote: On Feb 2, 2008 9:44 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be good to know what exactly makes an agreement binding, anyways... Since the contract in question didn't seem to ever impose any obligations on comex, if imposing

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1892 assigned to Goethe

2008-02-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Saturday 02 February 2008 22:27:05 Kerim Aydin wrote: comex's non-binding agreement 'X' is a contract. Proto-judgement: FALSE. a non-binding contract is a contradiction in legal terms, and a meaningless semantic construct. R1742, and R2169, both explicitly and explicitly link the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scam-busting

2008-02-03 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sunday 03 February 2008 13:12:29 Iammars wrote: On Feb 2, 2008 9:24 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I CFJ on the following: comex successfully caused at least one player other than emself to cast a vote on Proposal 5419. Wouldn't he have caused the AFO to vote even if the others

Re: DIS: Proto-judgement of CFJ 1882

2008-02-03 Thread Charles Reiss
On Saturday 02 February 2008 20:51:24 Kerim Aydin wrote: On Sat, 2 Feb 2008, Zefram wrote: The rules do not explicitly define the meaning of registered as a watcher. I wonder how I wish to be registered as a carpenter. would be interpreted. You would clearly become a player with the nick

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1903a assigned to root, woggle, comex

2008-02-07 Thread Charles Reiss
On Feb 7, 2008 6:02 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 7, 2008 3:50 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1903a Appellant Goethe's Arguments: I support Murphy's call for appeal of CFJ 1903. In spite of reading this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-02-22 Thread Charles Reiss
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question yes/no = equivalent statement true/false is a legal fiction that applies only after the CFJ is initiated. Until that CFJ is clearly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 02 March 2008 1:26 Charles Reiss wrote: The prior judge was improperly relied on a newer version of the rule that included a bugfix for precisely this reason. The judgement is still appropriate, however

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1897 judged FALSE; appeal assigned to woggle, OscarMeyr, Iammars

2008-03-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1897 == CFJ 1897 == BobTHJ is a player

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arguments: The arguments given in Wooble's purported causing the panel to judge CFJ 1903a are not labeled as a concurring opinion and therefore do

Attn OscarMeyr, Iammars (was Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1897 judged FALSE; appeal assigned to woggle, OscarMeyr, Iammars)

2008-03-10 Thread Charles Reiss
OscarMeyr, Iammars: Do you consent to the judgement I propose below? Have any opinions on the case? [Since OscarMeyr has not agreed to this judgement, Iammars past blanket consent won't apply.] - woggle On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 1, 2008

DIS: Re: BUS: Correct assignment of CFJs 1911-13

2008-03-11 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd missed updating the database to reflect that OscarMeyr had gone on hold. The alleged assignments were ineffective. I hereby assign CFJs 1911-13 to BobTHJ. These are linked assignments. Since I'm not likely to get

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Correct assignment of CFJs 1911-13

2008-03-11 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd missed updating the database to reflect that OscarMeyr had gone on hold. The alleged assignments were ineffective. I hereby assign CFJs

DIS: Re: BUS: Deputization kickstart

2008-03-12 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend to deputise the delivering of a judgement by the judicial panel of Appeal 1897a. Note that no judicial panel has been assigned in CFJ 1897a because the assignment of a panel including inactive player OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 1908 + 1909

2008-03-13 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Iammars [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: comex hasn't agreed to anything in panel 1903a, so it can't be judged and a concurring opinion hasn't been published. I judge FALSE on both 1908

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 1908 + 1909

2008-03-13 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Iammars [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-15 Thread Charles Reiss
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding 1903, I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM with the following concurring opinion: Goethe's original judgement of CFJ 1903 alludes to the following interpretation: Questions are not statements. An

DIS: Re: BUS: [Mad Scientist] It's Alive!

2008-03-22 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Nick Vanderweit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I come off hold (Guatemala was amazing, thanks for asking). I submit the following proposal, titled, Grarrgghh!, with AI=2 and II=3: Uh, that's not very disinterested, H. Mad Scientist. -woggle

DIS: Re: BUS: Criminal Cases

2008-04-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Josiah Worcester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15:24 Sun 30 Mar , Ed Murphy wrote: Iammars wrote: I initiate a criminal case on pihkq for misrepresenting Agora on the Nomic Wiki by failing to include my name in the players list. I initiate a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Notary Report, Take 1

2008-04-10 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:41 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Claim of error: This fails to list comex's pledge and public contract which purports to make persons assets. That pledge has been terminated

Re: DIS: Proto-Pledge: The Note Exchange

2008-04-12 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:34 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: {This is a public contract and a pledge by the name of The Note Exchange. For each pitch of Note, the corresponding Credit is a currency, and the corresponding Marker is a fixed currency. Ivan Hope CXXVII is the recordkeepor

Re: DIS: Proto-Pledge: The Note Exchange

2008-04-12 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 6:37 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/04/2008, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] ? Consider allowing acting on behalf for the purpose of fulfilling marker-holder's obligations? Good idea. Could this be automatic? It is triggered manually

Re: DIS: Proto-Pledge: The Note Exchange

2008-04-12 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 4:37 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ? Consider allowing acting on behalf for the purpose of fulfilling marker-holder's obligations? Good idea. Could this be automatic? It is

Re: DIS: Proto: Contract Cleanup, take two

2008-04-15 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: root wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Zefram, root, you voted against the previous version of this; would you support this revision?] What's the difference from the

DIS: Re: BUS: Behold: Half Pledge, Half Location

2008-04-20 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 12:06 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree to the following, making it a contract: {The name of this contract is Bumblebee. This contract is a pledge. This contract is a location. Any party to this contract can leave it by announcement.} I leave the

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1927 assigned to Wooble

2008-04-20 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: == Equity Case 1927 == Judge: Wooble As a hugging

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2008-04-25 Thread Charles Reiss
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:22 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree to the following: All players SHALL act as if this paragraph were a rule

Re: DIS: RE: Re: BUS: Re: CFJ

2008-04-28 Thread Charles Reiss
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Alexander Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am an Agoran, and also a player of IRCnomic. However, I have not (from an Agoran point of view) knowingly joined comex's contract, if it is one. Many IRCnomic rules conflict with Agoran rules anyway. (Doesn't Agora

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Economic overview

2008-04-30 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:56 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] [Current list: Crops (0 through 9)AAA BobTHJ Mills (+ - * /)AAA BobTHJ Notes (C through B)Rule 2126 Conductor Pens Bank of

Re: DIS: Proto-Judgement of CFJ 1927

2008-05-01 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:08 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/1/08, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. After this equation has been binding for 30 days or after all eligible parties have specified

DIS: Re: BUS: Ducks platypuses

2008-05-08 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend to make the following contract with comex: { Parties to this contract cannot leave this contract. Parties to this contract are obligated not to consent to making a Contract Change. Parties to this contract

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ducks platypuses

2008-05-09 Thread Charles Reiss
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I will hereby rebut the argument which is against my guilt and, therefore, for my innocence.) These arguments relate to CFJ 1943. The Argument: I should not be found GUILTY because the contract obligated its parties

DIS: Re: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/14 Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I win the game. ehird I initiate an inquiry CFJ on the statement: In the message archived at the URL

DIS: Re: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/14 Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I win the game. ehird I initiate an inquiry CFJ on the statement

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Make recordkeepors keep records

2008-05-18 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 2:04 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit a proposal, titled Recordkeepors must recordkeep, with an adoption index of 2: [snip] The recordkeepor of a class of assets is the entity defined as such by its backing document. If the recordkeepor is an office, that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1935a assigned to Murphy, OscarMeyr, BobTHJ

2008-06-01 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 1 June 2008 3:41:29 comex wrote: Except that pledges can't do things automatically. So really, he's out of luck. Why not? Acting on behalf authority is pretty poorly defined already (being now primarily a matter

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: An elephant sometimes forgets

2008-06-01 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:22 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal: An elephant sometimes forgets (AI=1.7, II=0) I don't think this should be disinterested. It's a rather more than a bug fix. -woggle

DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5541-5545

2008-06-07 Thread Charles Reiss
I vote as follows: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NUM FL AI SUBMITTER TITLE 5541 O0 1ais523 Motto of the Monster FOR x 6 5542 O1 1.7 Wooble equation as amendment FOR x 6 5543 D1 2Murphy Faster support FOR 5544 D1 2.1

DIS: Re: BUS: [IADoP] Assessor election

2008-06-12 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This (very late and overlooked; my apologies) message initiates the Agoran Decision to choose the holder of the Assessor office. The valid options are ROOT and MURPHY, the eligible voters are the active players, and the

DIS: Re: BUS: Defendant notification

2008-06-14 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ivan Hope, I inform you of http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2009 and invite you to rebut the argument for your guilt. Some gratuitous arguments: The R101(iii) right may take precedence here (even if Ivan

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: trustees

2008-06-23 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Chester Mealer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm about to be busy and ehird gave me an idea. [...] 8. Any party with support of a majority of trustees and without objection from

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2018 judged by Goethe

2008-06-23 Thread Charles Reiss
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:01 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2018 == Equity Case 2018 == comex made use

Re: DIS: Proto: Scam Busting (with Fruit)

2008-06-24 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just a rough proto so far. The idea is to prevent scams that involve repeating the same set of actions over and over again within a short period of time. A game action is liberal iff the rules explicitly indicate

DIS: Re: BUS: meh

2008-06-25 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I leave the pledge that talks about things being able to perform actions on my behalf. How?

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2032 assigned to woggle

2008-06-26 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2032 == CFJ 2032 == The hypothetical contract in the evidence section, if made a contest, would be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-06-26 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might be wrong, but don't reports traditionally go in OFF? It is equally effective to send a report to agora-business as to agora-official, and it's not conventional to send reports that aren't directly required by the rules to

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2032 assigned to woggle

2008-06-28 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:25 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments please? Proto-judgment: It's a good proto-judgement. Too bad it doesn't yield my desired outcome... :( Have you considered Goethe's argument

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hello, world

2008-06-28 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:45 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/28 comex [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My VP is now 50 or above. I give Pavrita 20 Vote Points. You know, ais523 stole VP from me and gave them to you because

Re: DIS: Proto: Mandatory proxy voting

2008-07-01 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:59 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really. You make the contract a partnership, have all the parties sponsor it, and require it to cast the exact number of votes you'd have cast under the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2032 judged FALSE by woggle

2008-07-01 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:50 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: == CFJ 2032 == The hypothetical contract in the evidence section, if made a contest, would be

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on excess CFJs

2008-07-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On 7/2/08, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I call a inquiry CFJ on the following statement: The CotC MAY NOT refuse cases based on cases being excess as defined by Rule 2175 Evidence: Rule 101(iii) gives all persons the right to initiate a formal process to resolve matters of controversy,

DIS: Re: BUS: Does anyone else want to trade these assets?

2008-07-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit the following proposal AI = 2 ii = 1 entitled Time to trade notes --- Remove the word 'fixed' from the first paragraph of R2126 --- If you're going to do this, you should also get rid of a note spending method. -woggle

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2032 judged FALSE by woggle

2008-07-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On 7/2/08, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I'm obligating myself to give everyone who has not participated in the fora since April 29 a D note. This is equivalent to giving everyone a D note and then penalizing people D notes for participating in the fora. However, by rule 101,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2028 assigned to sroot/s ais523

2008-07-03 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 9:50 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 14:36 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2028 = Criminal Case 2028

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2028 assigned to sroot/s ais523

2008-07-03 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're half right. I initiate an appeal on the question of sentence in this case. I'm pretty sure that's unsuccessful unless I'm missing something big... Are you trying to argue R101(iii)? -woggle

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5577-5584

2008-07-04 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5583 O1 1ais523 Right to Vanish AGAINST*10 (shouldn't be such an easy way out of contracts; if you really want a get-out like that it should have a longer auto-exile) In particular, it should be at least as long

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-07-04 Thread Charles Reiss
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 4 Jul 2008, Taral wrote: On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That depends on the value of 4. Please give a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2048 assigned to Taral

2008-07-06 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Criminal Case 2048 = ehird violated Rule 2149 by saying that e joins. As much as I appreciate Goethe's

Re: DIS: Proto: Truth of speech acts

2008-07-12 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: a) An attempted speech act is equivalent to a claim that the person will perform the action by sending the message. Why on earth are we codifying this? For years,

Re: DIS: Proto: Truth of speech acts

2008-07-12 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Charles Reiss wrote: People will need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you did not believe the action would be successful if you don't include a disclaimer. I don't think that's chilling really

DIS: Re: BUS: Reformed Bank of Agora report

2008-07-14 Thread Charles Reiss
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Assuming I'm a Banker Without 3 proto-objections I proto-change the RBOA contract as follows: --- Add the following to the end for the RBOA conract: 9. Whenever a Player transfers a Mill to the Bank of Agora, and the

Re: DIS: Werewolves status update

2008-07-15 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:17 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still need 3 more votes on whether to lynch Pavitra. I recommend amending the contract to require votes to be cast as soon as possible, with severe

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in CFJ 2027, and a proposal to fix something

2008-07-15 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:09 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:55 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Therefore, there is no recordkeepor of public contracts (the phrase itself is an oxymoron), and therefore I judge FALSE. I intend to appeal this judgement with

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2065 assigned to woggle

2008-07-16 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first issue is whether the statement of intent unambiguously descri[s] both the action and the method. The method (Agoran Consent) is correctly

DIS: Re: BUS: Perpetual Violation Machine

2008-07-16 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:32 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree to the following: {This is a pledge. Ivan Hope is always in violation of this pledge. Ivan Hope can leave this pledge by announcement.} Now, assuming that Ivan Hope is always in violation of this pledge works, I'm

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2097 assigned to woggle

2008-07-20 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2097 == CFJ 2097 == The Executor of a message that contains a CFJ is also the Initiator of that CFJ,

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2097 assigned to woggle

2008-07-20 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2097 == CFJ 2097 == The Executor

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2088 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-07-20 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Criminal Case 2088 = tusho violated Rule 2029 by changing eir posture to sitting. As

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2088 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-07-20 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 20, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Charles Reiss wrote: Are you trying to imply that it is not possible for non-players to violate the rules? How could a non-player be bound by the rules of Agora? It would be completely

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2097 assigned to woggle

2008-07-20 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] In the PNP i believe that the PNP is indeed the Executor of its own messages, as it has an e-mail address set up specifically for it, and it sends its own messages. I see no reason that partnerships be Read the definition

DIS: Re: BUS: Awful proposal

2008-07-20 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 8:35 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal: Awful proposal (AI=2) { Amend Rule 649 by replacing person with entity and by replacing the entire second paragraph with: Awarding or revoking a Patent Title is a secured change. Amend Rule 2162 by replacing its

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2097 assigned to woggle

2008-07-20 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, then I think that Executor can/should be modified to take into account the PNP and other partnerships of that nature, as I've always (until now) seen the PNP as its own executor. Your argument that the PNP is its own

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2097 assigned to woggle

2008-07-21 Thread Charles Reiss
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:58 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/21 Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Your argument that the PNP is its own executor wouldn't work even if you removed first-class from the definition. The PNP that Agora recognizes is a contract. A document. It can't

DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-22 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:15, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object to every dependent action I can object to. I support every dependent action I can support. So you don't want to leave the Protection Racket? -woggle

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