Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8266-8274

2019-11-04 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 11/4/19 12:20 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 11/4/2019 8:33 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I disagree with that participation in Agora specifically should be merit > > for earning or not a Doctor of NOMIC degree. If it was Doctor of AGORA > > nomic, then OK, whatever, I'd care a lot less.

Re: DIS: proto-judgement of 3781

2019-11-10 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, November 10, 2019 6:28 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 11/10/19 7:24 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > This seems like an inconsistency in your arguments. The "on Tuesdays" > > clause is imported, but the "by

Re: DIS: proto-judgement of 3781

2019-11-10 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
--- Nch ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, November 10, 2019 6:22 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 11/10/19 7:19 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > Or better yet: > > > > > Rule 2577/Y > > > Asset Actions [Excerpt] > > > An a

Re: DIS: proto-judgement of 3781

2019-11-10 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:49 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 11/10/19 8:49 AM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > What I don't understand about these arguments is that, no matter how you > > parse "by announcement", the 25

Re: DIS: proto-judgement of 3781

2019-11-10 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
--- Nch ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, November 10, 2019 6:17 PM, Nch wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:49 PM, Jason Cobb jason.e.c...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On 11/10/19 8:49 AM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > &g

Re: DIS: Ideas for Obligation System Development

2019-11-09 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, November 7, 2019 4:31 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Okay, I've had a bunch of ideas for developments around contracts and the > like. I've been working on a proposal, but I wanted to solicit public > comment before going ahead with it. > > - Create

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8266-8274

2019-11-12 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, November 11, 2019 6:16 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Mon, 11 Nov 2019, Jason Cobb wrote: > > > // > > ID: 8266 > > Title: Glitter > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: nch > >

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Last Week in Agora

2019-11-06 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 11/6/19 6:37 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> Sure; thanks for pointing it out. Do you think two spaces is enough? >> >> - Point >> >> - Sub-point >> >> -- >> >> >> - Falsifian > I would say the ru

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Last Week in Agora

2019-11-06 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 6:16 PM, James Cook wrote: > On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 23:27, Jason Cobb jason.e.c...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On 11/6/19 6:22 PM, James Cook wrote: > > > > > - Proposals 8253-8265 are resolved after further votes, except the H. > >

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3781 Assigned to G.

2019-11-09 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, November 8, 2019 11:00 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > The below CFJ is 3781. I assign it to G.. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3781 > > === CFJ 3781 === > > In this

Re: DIS: proto-judgement of 3781

2019-11-10 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, November 9, 2019 10:06 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 11/9/19 7:04 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Rather, I think that this clause does definition-by-properties of "by > > > announcement", where it ascribes properties to a phrase, but doesn't > > > give

Re: DIS: ATTN omd / Distributor (was Re: jobs)

2019-10-27 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
Thanks for looking into it! Original Message On Oct 27, 2019, 7:15 PM, omd wrote: > On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 5:48 PM James Cook wrote: >> Our H. Distributor tried in June to enable from-address-rewriting for >> messages with this problem, but I'm not sure it worked. See for >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, October 28, 2019 4:31 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 10/28/19 5:20 PM, James Cook wrote: > > > I am more interested right now in seeing more things to spend Coins > > on; the Coin balances are starting to feel like meaningless numbers. > > There was some

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, October 28, 2019 7:04 PM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > On Mon, 2019-10-28 at 16:58 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 10/28/2019 3:27 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > > Cons > > > > > > --

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, October 28, 2019 6:58 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 10/28/2019 3:27 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > Cons > > > > - > > > > -Soft-locks newer players out of writing proposals. They're

Re: DIS: academic progressions (Jason Cobb's Thesis)

2019-10-31 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, October 30, 2019 1:59 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Hi Jason Cobb, I'm really sorry I've been delayed about your thesis. I keep > thinking "this falls between Masters and PhD and I keep meaning to look back > for ais523's theses to get advice" and

Re: DIS: Research Request: Economics

2020-05-03 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:35 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > I'm working on something related to economic systems in Agora. Anyone happen > to have records (or a good memory) of various economic systems. Ideally for > each economic system

DIS: Research Request: Economics

2020-05-03 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
I'm working on something related to economic systems in Agora. Anyone happen to have records (or a good memory) of various economic systems. Ideally for each economic system I'd have a snapshot of its rules, its results, and pivotal discussions around its design. Any pointing at the right

DIS: Historical Preservation

2020-05-04 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
This might already be known but Blob's Thesis Archive [1] appears to have left this realm. It was not captured on the wayback machine. Luckily, PSS has captured all of the theses that were stored there [2]. In the future we might consider creating a proper taskforce or office for ensuring

Re: DIS: Historical Preservation

2020-05-04 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, May 4, 2020 12:36 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:09 PM Nch via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > This might already be known but Blo

Re: DIS: Research Request: Economics

2020-05-04 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, May 4, 2020 12:57 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/4/20 11:22 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > Did some spot Ruleset checks based on memory these are the ones I know or > > found: > > 2000 - 2002 Stems, Papyrus,

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The Webmastor

2020-05-11 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Monday, May 11, 2020 8:46:53 PM CDT Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: > On 5/11/20 6:13 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > I submit the following proposal { > > > > Title: The Webmastor > > Author: nch > > AI: 1.0 > > > > Enact a rule titled "The Webmastor" with Power=1 and the

Re: DIS: Protos: Two Small Offices

2020-05-12 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:35:07 AM CDT Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > How would you guys feel about "decentralizing" the Reportor role? > > Instead of having one person do it, maybe make it so that every month or > two or so there is a sort of bounty for publishing a report - with

Re: DIS: Protos: Two Small Offices

2020-05-12 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:07:03 AM CDT you wrote: > I don't think that the tragedy of the commons necessarily applies, although > I might be too influenced by Blognomic. Because there is zero mechanical > reward for doing the equivalent of the "reportor" job there and people just > sort of go at

Re: DIS: Protos: Coins have Value

2020-05-13 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 2:03:20 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > So, we've tried since 2017 to get an economy going by artificially > limiting the basics (proposals, cfjs, and voting power via zombies) and > it's really not made an economy at all, just a metering of action

Re: DIS: Protos: Two Small Offices

2020-05-08 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Friday, May 8, 2020 8:29:25 AM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/8/20 9:03 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: > > - As written, these proposals would make you the holder of both offices > > because of the last paragraph of R1006. > > Clarification: this is only an issue if you don't want

Re: DIS: Research Request: Economics

2020-05-11 Thread nch via agora-discussion
I'm going to re-arrange CB's original message a little bit because I think it makes more sense to respond to those points in that order. On Monday, May 11, 2020 3:55:24 AM CDT Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > To FURTHER show how a well-documented history is a good idea, it's NOT ONLY >

DIS: Proto: Sets

2020-05-13 Thread nch via agora-discussion
Extremely proto proposal based on the economic arguments I made elsewhere. Introduce 4 new assets and a corresponding Card for each asset: * Pending Tickets * Extra Votes * Blot-B-Gone * Victory Points Every player starts with 1 Card of each type, also include them in Welcome Packages. Auction

Re: DIS: Proto: Sets

2020-05-13 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 4:05:54 PM CDT Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/13/20 2:59 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > I'm kind of confused by the difference between the "new assets" and the > > "cards" (which are themselves assets?) in this description? > > I

Re: DIS: Proto: Sets

2020-05-13 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 6:20:21 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/13/2020 3:52 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > Also interested in suggestions for other ways to receive cards. There > > shouldn't be too many, because too many different ways will reduc

Re: DIS: Proto: Sets

2020-05-13 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:48:49 PM CDT nch via agora-discussion wrote: > Extremely proto proposal based on the economic arguments I made elsewhere. > > Introduce 4 new assets and a corresponding Card for each asset: > * Pending Tickets > * Extra Votes > * Blot-B-Gone

Re: DIS: Proto: Sets

2020-05-13 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 4:40:39 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/13/20 5:36 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > A couple amendments to this proto idea: > > > > Where X = 5 Cards, the player gets 2X. This makes that 5th one especially > >

Re: DIS: Proto: Sets

2020-05-13 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 6:42:08 PM CDT you wrote: > For blog-b-gones, I'd think we'd want 1, maybe 2 a week? I mean, we only > blot people like once a month anyway...? > > -Aris Well that's an easy fix. We just need to commit/make-up more Agoran crimes. -- nch

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Ministerial Referrals

2020-05-14 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:39:04 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:18 PM Aris Merchant via agora-official > > wrote: > > Definition: To refer a proposal to a chamber is to set its chamber > > switch to that chamber. > > I CFJ "In a generic Agoran

Re: DIS: [Proto-proto] Webmastor

2020-05-14 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:42:18 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > FYI, there's a sort of Registrar home page at > https://agoranomic.org/Registrar/ but I never looked into adding it to > the homepage. (Also, it would be nice it actually had a list of > players or something.) >

Re: DIS: Proto: Sets

2020-05-14 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 3:17:11 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > Is there any reason for a player to transmute victory points at any > time other than when they want to declare victory? > > Not necessarily a problem, but want to make sure I understand. I guess > the other Card

Re: DIS: Proto: Sets

2020-05-14 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:08:23 AM CDT Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/13/20 2:48 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > Extremely proto proposal based on the economic arguments I made elsewhere. > > > > Introduce 4 new assets and a correspondin

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-05-14 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:47:14 AM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > 8380# Muprhy 1.0 Justice for R. Lee Author appears to be typo'd here. -- nch

Re: DIS: Proto: Sets

2020-05-14 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:54:23 AM CDT Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/13/20 3:36 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > A couple amendments to this proto idea: > > > > Where X = 5 Cards, the player gets 2X. This makes that 5th one especially > >

Re: DIS: Agora is currently ossified (but it's OK (kinda))

2020-05-14 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 11:06:49 AM CDT Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > I was going to reply to Defense Against the Dark Arts about this but I > figure that it merits its own thread. > > In R1698 we got: "Agora is ossified if it is IMPOSSIBLE for any reasonable > combination of

Re: DIS: Protos: Two Small Offices

2020-05-08 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Friday, May 8, 2020 11:01:07 AM CDT Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > I have never once got any value out of any form of the newspapers (well > > except the ones I intentionally published with no text to get paid lol), > mainly because it's actually a lot easier to catch up on the game

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Contract to win the game by circuitous means

2020-05-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:39:15 AM CDT nch via agora-business wrote: > Gratuitous: > > Some players have argued that the original CFJ is not about actions, this > one unambiguously is. Since the game impact of the CFJ rulings would be > different, I don't think it can be trivially determined,

DIS: Protos: Two Small Offices

2020-05-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
There's a couple jobs that aren't necessary but should probably still have an assigned officer. I tried to write these such that they don't add too much responsibility while still encouraging them to fulfil the goals of the offices. First, the Reportor. We've had it before, it gets sporadic

Re: DIS: Proto: Sets v0.9

2020-05-20 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:47:26 AM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > A player CAN, by announcement, pay a 'set' of X Cards of the same type > > to create in eir possession Y corresponding Products. The value of X > > > determines the value of Y in the following ways: > Pedantry:

Re: DIS: Proto: Sets v0.9

2020-05-20 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:47:26 AM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/20/20 2:10 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > I'm tired and I'm sure this has obvious mistakes but I believe in getting > > things out there for review as soon as they're present

Re: DIS: Proto: Sets v0.9

2020-05-20 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:58:19 AM CDT Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:47 AM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > On 5/20/20 2:10 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > Amend rule 2350

Re: DIS: Proto: Sets v0.9

2020-05-20 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 5:37:55 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > Trying to get a sense of how the numbers would work out: > > As far as I can tell, cards are created as follows: > * When the game is enacted or someone wins it. (1 Card of each type per > player) * When a player

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More 'By Announcement'

2020-05-19 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 5:07:51 PM CDT Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 5:56 PM nch via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:48:20 PM CDT you wrote: > > > I don't like this idea. The history of

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More 'By Announcement'

2020-05-19 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:48:20 PM CDT you wrote: > I don't like this idea. The history of this provision is that I gave a CFJ > judgement essentially establishing something like this. Everyone > (especially G.) thought it was a terrible idea, and they persuaded me. CAN > has a very sensible

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.0

2020-05-20 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:30:24 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > The important bit is "neither its text nor any of the aforementioned > attributes can be changed". This means the attempt to change the > coauthors is INEFFECTIVE under R2240. > > -- > Jason Cobb Thanks for the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More 'By Announcement'

2020-05-19 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 6:01:39 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > I suppose that's true, but with the change you proposed, I think it's > a little unclear how to interpret current rules that describe things > you can do with dependent actions. > > For example, R2465: "A player CAN

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3831 enters the mootiest moot ever

2020-05-19 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:07:27 PM CDT Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 9:03 PM Reuben Staley via agora-business > > wrote: > > On 5/19/20 5:54 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > > > I hereby initiate an Agoran Decision to determine

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:13:43 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > Once a week the Treasuror CAN and SHOULD initiate an auction. The > > > auction has the following lots: > This means the Treasuror will

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:23:25 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > The Treasuror is the auctioneer for this auction, and may order the > > lots > > as e chooses. The minimum bid for this auction is 1 coin. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:01:12 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > * all of any single type of asset currently own by the Lost and > > Found > > > > Department, if any. > > I'm concerned about

DIS: Sets Feedback

2020-05-22 Thread nch via agora-discussion
I know I said I didn't want to get bogged down in design choice debates but since the auction portion has to be rewritten (and it looks like the rewrite might be more complex than I thought), I wanted to get some feedback. As far as I see it, there's two main options right now: 1) Rewrite the

Re: DIS: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:41:02 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 9:32 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > Sometimes I think it'd be interesting if we more often did gamestate > > changing proposals with little to no rule changes in them. For

Re: DIS: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:20:21 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Also realize, if you're going the Decision route, there's nothing > currently stopping punishment proposals, and even if this rule is > implemented there's nothing stopping someone from changing the AI > threshold

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-27 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:00:58 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > I personally really liked the cards system and would like to bring > > parts of it back, but I wasn't around in 2016, so I'll happily defer > > to others. > > Well that last bit sucked for the referee - it

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3

2020-05-24 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 8:06:34 PM CDT you wrote: > > On May 24, 2020, at 20:58, nch via agora-business > > wrote:> > > On Sunday, May 24, 2020 7:50:27 PM CDT you wrote: > >>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:42 PM nch via agora-business > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> Ok, here's 1.3. > >>> > >>> I cut

Re: DIS: [proto] Talismans

2020-05-24 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Friday, May 22, 2020 4:21:34 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > I've shamelessly stolen the name from Warrigal's dead contract. > > > Title: Talismans > > Adoption index: 3.0 > > { > > For the purposes of this proposal, a player's prior master is eir master > before this

Re: DIS: [proto] Talismans

2020-05-24 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:05:54 PM CDT nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sunday, May 24, 2020 10:42:40 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/24/20 11:17 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On Friday, May 22, 2020 4:21:34 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-dis

Re: [Proto-Contract] LoAFER (was: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3)

2020-05-24 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:05:29 PM CDT Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-05-24 18:47, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > it used to be considered somewhat rude to submit a proposal after the > > promotor had published eir draft but before the distribution > > I think we

Re: DIS: [proto] Talismans

2020-05-24 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 10:42:40 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/24/20 11:17 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Friday, May 22, 2020 4:21:34 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > >> A talisman is an asset with ownership restricted to

Re: DIS: [proto] Talismans

2020-05-24 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 10:57:01 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > >> The Registrar SHALL track the date that a talisman for each zombie last > > >> belonged to Agora in eir weekly report. The Registrar SHALL perform all > > >> POSSIBLE actions in the preceding paragraph in a

DIS: [Proto] Transmutation

2020-05-24 Thread nch via agora-discussion
Very very simple, but submitting for feedback since I'm gonna sit on it til next distribution anyway. Trigon suggested this as a way to make Victory Cards, but it also works as a way to iron out market deficiencies. Trigon's suggestion was that they be different types, but I think it works fine

Re: DIS: [Proto] College of Letters, Arts, and Sciences

2020-05-24 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 4:44:42 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > This is a reform of the degrees system. It has been bothering me for > ages that we don't have clear criteria for what theses qualify for > each degree. For instance, no one seems to be sure whether artistic >

DIS: Re: BUS: a regulatory experiment (auctions)

2020-05-25 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Monday, May 25, 2020 11:40:01 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > and under common definitions and terms used > in auctions, We may want to specify which type of auction, since there's many types with different rules. I don't think anyone would be very happy if at the closing

DIS: Thesis Snippet

2020-05-25 Thread nch via agora-discussion
I wanted to send along a small snippet of the economy thesis I'm working on to get feedback. My main questions are 1) What kind of information does everyone want for each economic system and 2) are the flowcharts good? Any other feedback also appreciated. Anyway, here it is: {

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: a regulatory experiment (auctions)

2020-05-25 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Monday, May 25, 2020 3:15:39 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:14 PM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 2020-05-25 12:23, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On Mo

Re: DIS: Thesis Snippet

2020-05-25 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Monday, May 25, 2020 4:24:56 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Your two examples are an interesting contrast in that they are probably > the "longest between resets" and "shortest between resets" systems, but > you don't get a sense of that from your descriptions - so maybe a >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 498

2020-05-24 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:07:55 PM CDT nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:01:25 PM CDT James Cook via agora-business wrote: > > CoE on the below report: On May 17, I did not pay Agora and Tcbapo did > > not pay me, since the May zombie auction ended befor

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report

2020-05-24 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:58:05 PM CDT you wrote: > > Grok's "Cantus Counterscam" (which has the author and co-author values > > that > > are incorrectly listed for "a Proposed Contract") is missing. > > I believe that e retracted it. Oh, looks like you're correct. -- nch

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Petition of the Associate Director of Personnel

2020-05-24 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 2:22:18 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 08:26, Edward Murphy via agora-business > > wrote: > >* ADoP Murphy, nine months > >* Arbitor G., nine months > >* Assessor Jason, nine months > >* Distributor omd, twelve

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 498

2020-05-24 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:01:25 PM CDT James Cook via agora-business wrote: > CoE on the below report: On May 17, I did not pay Agora and Tcbapo did > not pay me, since the May zombie auction ended before any bids were > placed. > > (I may try to ratify that the auction went smoothly, but let's

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
Original Message On May 28, 2020, 11:55 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 5/28/2020 9:42 AM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > If I accidentally moved a knight wrong and neither of us noticed until a move > or two

Fw: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
Original Message On May 28, 2020, 11:11 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thursday, 28 May 2020, 17:03:57 GMT+1, James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: > > In fact, it may be a good idea to have two separate tiers of crimes

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
Original Message On May 28, 2020, 11:27 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 16:14, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:11 AM Alex Smith via agora-discussion < >

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.4

2020-05-31 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:12:02 AM CDT you wrote: > On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:38 PM nch via agora-business > > wrote: > > Create a new Power=1 rule titled "Popular Proposal Proposer Privilege" > > > > with the following text: > > The player who proposed the proposal with the greatest

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: Free Tournament Intent

2020-05-31 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:27:55 AM CDT Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:39 AM Rebecca via agora-official > > wrote: > > Sorry, I intend with 3 Agoran consent to host a Free Tournament with the > > following Regulations (i fixed a typo) >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3837 Assigned to grok

2020-06-01 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Monday, June 1, 2020 8:23:42 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 31 May 2020 at 19:29, nch via agora-business > > wrote: > > On Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:06:51 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > > > The below CFJ is 3837. I assign it to grok. > > > > > > status:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3837 Assigned to grok

2020-06-01 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Monday, June 1, 2020 8:56:35 PM CDT nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Monday, June 1, 2020 8:46:09 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > Isn't that still a difference in intended meaning? Maybe I didn't > > phrase it clearly enough the first time, but my i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3837 Assigned to grok

2020-06-01 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Monday, June 1, 2020 8:46:09 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > Isn't that still a difference in intended meaning? Maybe I didn't > phrase it clearly enough the first time, but my intended meaning was > "Right now at the moment I'm calling this CFJ, the truth value >

Fw: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3837 Assigned to grok

2020-06-01 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
(oops sent this straight to falsifian the first time.) ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, June 1, 2020 10:05 PM, nch wrote: > On Monday, June 1, 2020 9:44:27 PM CDT you wrote: > > > On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 01:57, nch via agora-discussion > > agora-discussion@ag

Re: DIS: Thesis Snippet

2020-05-26 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 6:10:25 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > One nitpick: I'm not sure how to read the last two dates. I can infer > it's not day/month/year but not sure if there are year-month-day > conventions that use slashes. They are in MM/DD/YY format, which is common in

Re: DIS: Thesis Snippet

2020-05-26 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 6:16:45 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > 1) What kind of information does everyone want for each economic system > > and > > Off the top of my head: > * the basic mechanisms (yes, flow charts are helpful) Noted > * rule bugs and broader problems with

Re: DIS: Thesis Snippet

2020-05-26 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 6:29:26 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 23:18, nch via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 6:10:25 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > > One nitpick: I'm not sure how to re

DIS: Proto: Sets v0.9

2020-05-20 Thread nch via agora-discussion
I'm tired and I'm sure this has obvious mistakes but I believe in getting things out there for review as soon as they're presentable, so here's the Sets proposal. Please tear it apart. Trigon I listed you as a co-author because the idea of tying in ministries was brilliant. { Title: Sets

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.0

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
I'm going to resubmit and fix most of the things you mentioned, but as argued below I don't overall agree that "by announcement" would break the clauses. On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:51:47 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:05 PM nch via agora-business

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.0

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:19:27 AM CDT you wrote: > Surely I can just say "CAN pay X to Y"? 2579 defines 'pay' so I think it > triggers it sufficiently clearly (and the usage is intuitive anyway). Clarification here: 2579 doesn't define 'pay' but it talks about payment. The only fee-based

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8377-8387

2020-05-22 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Friday, May 22, 2020 4:08:31 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/22/20 5:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Friday, May 22, 2020 3:23:59 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > >> RESOLUTION OF P

Re: DIS: Do all auctions end immediately?

2020-05-22 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Friday, May 22, 2020 3:35:45 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 1:19 PM grok via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2020, 2:16 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > > > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On 5/22/2020 12:09

Re: DIS: Auction overhaul first cut

2020-05-22 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Friday, May 22, 2020 3:28:32 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > [ > TODO: what happens to exess lots? > TODO: zombie auction compatibilty (totems?) > ] We're on the same wavelength here. I was planning to propose turning zombie ownership into ownership of some asset that

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8377-8387

2020-05-22 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Friday, May 22, 2020 3:23:59 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8377-8387 > = > > I hereby resolve the Agoran decisions to adopt the below proposals. > > The quorum for all below decisions was 5. Was 8382 intentionally

Re: DIS: Do all auctions end immediately?

2020-05-22 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Friday, May 22, 2020 4:07:19 PM CDT you wrote: > > wait > why don't we just propose a new rule/amend the old one with a paragraph > which says something like either "a countdown which would terminate > something can't be started retroactively" or "the countdown for auction > termination can't

Re: DIS: art degrees

2020-07-02 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 7/2/20 10:14 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > One strange thing here is that Bard is mixed in with a long list of > other titles in R2581, but (from this point of view) is arguably more > similar to degrees than those other titles. > > Also, I recently noticed the description of

Re: DIS: Re: [Attn. Referee] Re: BUS: @Notary @Treasuror, I do the scam anyway

2020-07-02 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 7/2/20 4:21 AM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > Arguments: > > at 12:43 AM, Becca Lee via agora-discussion > wrote: > >> I clearly meant that i transfer the cards nch had, "those cards" into >> products in 4 sets of 4. obviously i did not mean that 18 is 4x4. > Your rephrased version is

DIS: Re: [Attn. Referee] Re: BUS: @Notary @Treasuror, I do the scam anyway

2020-07-02 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 7/1/20 11:43 PM, omd via agora-business wrote: > at 7:26 AM, Becca Lee via agora-business > [](mailto:agora-busin...@agoranomic.org) > wrote: > >> {Acting on behalf of nch, I resolve one of eir intents to deregister R. >> Lee. I register. I award myself a welcome package. I transfer a victory

Re: DIS: Draft Judgement of CFJ 3860

2020-07-02 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 7/2/20 12:40 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > I have put together my judgement for CFJ 3860 [assuming that is the > number it will be assigned by the CotC]. I am mainly publishing this as > a draft and not an official judgement because I want to wait for > confirmation that it is

DIS: [Proto, ATTN Referee] Competitive Finger Pointing

2020-06-30 Thread nch via agora-discussion
Here's a proper version of Competitive Finger Pointing. Title: Competitive Finger Pointing AI: 1.7 Author: nch Coauthors: Amend R2478, "Vigilante Justice" by adding after the list items:     Initiating a Finger Pointing found to be Shenanigans is the class     0+N crime of Shenaniganery,

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