On 9/16/19 8:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
Oops, forgot this part: In addition to proposals and voting, we did
do blot-expunging tokens.
I was actually thinking about the exact opposite of this - gaining Coins
in exchange for also gaining Blots, sort of a lender of last resort
thing. I'm not go
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:44 PM James Cook wrote:
> What other shortages has Agora had in the past? CFJs? Voting? Tradable
> blot-expunging tokens would probably be an even worse idea than
> putting a price on voting, but oops, too late, I guess I just
> suggested that.
Oops, forgot this part: I
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:44 PM James Cook wrote:
> Did shortages make the gameplay worse? I worry they might discourage
> new players, or encourage people to submit big proposals combining
> unrelated things. Shortages do sound fun, though.
>
> In the spirit of markets, it might be fun to limit p
On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 16:32, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> On 9/14/2019 9:57 AM, James Cook wrote:
> > I'm being an officer to have fun, help out the game, and earn brownie
> > points with you all. I wouldn't do it just for the Coins.
>
> Agreed, for the most part.
>
> > That being said, if we do assume C
On 9/14/2019 9:57 AM, James Cook wrote:
I'm being an officer to have fun, help out the game, and earn brownie
points with you all. I wouldn't do it just for the Coins.
Agreed, for the most part.
That being said, if we do assume Coins motivate people, I think there
is an argument for balanci
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 21:49, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
> On Thursday, September 12, 2019 6:15 PM, James Cook
> wrote:
> > Benefits:
> > * Self-balancing: We still have the property that if officers slack
> > off, then efficiency cheques are worth more, simply because fewer will
> > be issued.
>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 9:17 PM Reuben Staley
wrote:
> On 9/12/19 12:15 PM, James Cook wrote:> What if, instead of these
> balancing rules, each interest group does a
> > stock (cheque) buy-back every quarter, and the only way to cash in a
> > cheque between quarters is to sell it to another play
On 9/12/19 12:15 PM, James Cook wrote:> What if, instead of these
balancing rules, each interest group does a
stock (cheque) buy-back every quarter, and the only way to cash in a
cheque between quarters is to sell it to another player?
Specifically:
* Make cheques of each interest group a curre
On Thursday, September 12, 2019 6:15 PM, James Cook
wrote:
> Benefits:
> * Self-balancing: We still have the property that if officers slack
> off, then efficiency cheques are worth more, simply because fewer will
> be issued.
Thinking about this more, I'm not sure this is a benefit at all. If c
On Thu., Sep. 12, 2019, 14:15 James Cook, wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 10:07, Reuben Staley
> wrote:
> > Create a new rule with title "Balancing", power 2, and text:
> >During the first Eastman week of each month, the Treasuror CAN and
> >SHALL perform the following actions, co
On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 10:07, Reuben Staley wrote:
> Create a new rule with title "Balancing", power 2, and text:
>During the first Eastman week of each month, the Treasuror CAN and
>SHALL perform the following actions, collectively known as
>Balancing, in sequence:
>
>
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 6:12 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> On 9/10/2019 4:43 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > If not, we’re gating proposals out of an
> > abstract opinion that they ought to be gated rather than because it’s in
> > anyone’s interest.
>
> I could say it's a load on everyone (i.e. the "
On 9/10/2019 4:43 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> If not, we’re gating proposals out of an
> abstract opinion that they ought to be gated rather than because it’s in
> anyone’s interest.
I could say it's a load on everyone (i.e. the "voters") when lots of
proposals get submitted without much thought
On 9/10/19 8:21 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:
I've written a script to parse the distributions, so the fact that
there are proposals doesn't affect me there.
Whoops - yes the fact that proposals exist does affect me, but the
number doesn't.
--
Jason Cobb
On 9/9/19 6:10 AM, Reuben Staley wrote:
Create a new rule with title "Interest Groups", power 1, and text:
An interest group is an entity defined as such by this rule. Each
interest group has a goal. The following are the interest groups
of Agora and their goals:
A. Just
On 9/10/19 7:43 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
Who do infinite free proposals hurt? The only people I can think of who
might be adversely affected are the Promotor and the Assessor (if the
proposals are really bad, they’ll never hit the Rulekeepor, and extra the
amount of work for voters isn’t big). As
On 9/10/19 9:43 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
I really *do* like the idea of different sectors with different
"performance
values" with currency speculation between them, and the event-constrained
random walk governing the various values (i.e. something
semi-predictable so
an attentive player can trad
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 4:20 PM Reuben Staley
wrote:
> On 9/10/19 4:10 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:> I do wonder if maybe "all
> the interlocking cogs... turning fine" is part of the problem. In
> real-life political systems, things keep changing because people still
> feel that they are inadequa
On 9/10/19 4:10 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:> I do wonder if maybe "all
the interlocking cogs... turning fine" is part of the problem. In
real-life political systems, things keep changing because people still
feel that they are inadequate or unjust, or because there are current
events that need
On 9/9/2019 3:10 AM, Reuben Staley wrote:
>During the first Eastman week of each month, the Treasuror CAN and
>SHALL perform the following actions, collectively known as
>Balancing, in sequence:
Now that I look more closely, my specific concerns are doubled - this
requir
On 9/10/2019 3:10 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
> Perhaps it's time to deliberately tinkering some of the core rules and
see > what happens? For example, I know from archives that proposals tend to
> oscillate between "free and accessible to everyone" and "gated behind
game > mechanics". When I
On 9/9/2019 3:10 AM, Reuben Staley wrote:
> Their recordkeepor is the Treasuror.
After the last couple debacles, I'm making a firm policy of voting against
any minigame, no matter how good on paper, that where the proposor emself
isn't installed into office as the game runner (whether via a new
On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 7:58 AM, Reuben Staley
wrote:
> I don't know what you want to improve about the core system. The most
> change that has been enacted in the past few months to the core system
> are minor fixes that clarify things. Sure, we find a broken bit
> sometimes, but those ar
On 9/10/19 1:10 AM, Aris Merchant wrote:
No comment on the specific proposal yet, but a general comment. I
think we should wait a while before having another mini-game. The last
few we've had have died, not because they were bad ideas, but partly
because of bugs and most of all because there wasn
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 12:10 AM Aris Merchant
wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 3:07 AM Reuben Staley wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > This idea has been stewing for a long time, and this is the rough draft
> > of a proposal that captu
On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 3:07 AM Reuben Staley wrote:
>
>
> This idea has been stewing for a long time, and this is the rough draft
> of a proposal that captures my initial thoughts somewhat.
>
> I am putting this out there be
On 9/9/19 8:34 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:
On 9/9/19 10:27 PM, Reuben Staley wrote:
I kind of already see proposals as the fastest way to earn money - I
think I've earned more money from proposals than all the other
methods (not a rigorous claim).
With that in mind, does there need to be any more
On 9/9/19 10:27 PM, Reuben Staley wrote:
I kind of already see proposals as the fastest way to earn money - I
think I've earned more money from proposals than all the other
methods (not a rigorous claim).
With that in mind, does there need to be any more incentive?
Alright, maybe the curre
On 9/9/19 7:24 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:
On 9/9/19 8:24 PM, Reuben Staley wrote:
Possible ambiguity: "(Casting a vote [...]) on eir own behalf" vs.
("Casting a vote on (all proposals distributed [...] on eir own
behalf)".
What does a proposal distributed on one's own behalf even look like?
Unles
Sorry, looks like I forgot to say that I like the idea generally - I
guess I focused on the minutiae in my previous message.
On 9/9/19 8:24 PM, Reuben Staley wrote:
Possible ambiguity: "(Casting a vote [...]) on eir own behalf" vs.
("Casting a vote on (all proposals distributed [...] on eir ow
Thanks for the comments.
On 9/9/19 6:45 AM, Jason Cobb wrote:
On 9/9/19 6:10 AM, Reuben Staley wrote:
Create a new rule with title "Cheques", power 2, and text:
Cheques are entities. Each cheque is associated with an interest
group. Cheques associated with the same interest group ar
Responses inline:
On 9/9/19 6:10 AM, Reuben Staley wrote:
Title: Cheques and Balances
AI: 2
Author: Trigon
Create a new rule with title "Interest Groups", power 1, and text:
An interest group is an entity defined as such by this rule. Each
interest group has a goal. The following ar
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