Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:58:05 PM CDT you wrote: > > Grok's "Cantus Counterscam" (which has the author and co-author values > > that > > are incorrectly listed for "a Proposed Contract") is missing. > > I believe that e retracted it. Oh, looks like you're correct. -- nch
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On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 4:57 PM nchagora--- via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:42:06 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > ID Author(s)AITitle > > --- > > 8388f nch 1.0 The Webmastor > > 8389# G. 2.0 Just Impeach instead > > 8390* R. Lee 3.0 Registror > > 8391* R. Lee 3.0 Notory (Vote Labour) > > 8392# Jason2.0 Prior violations > > 8393# Aris 2.0 Elections Aren't Over Till They End > > 8394# Jason2.0 8228 retry > > 8395# G., R. Lee 1.7 Mooting moots > > 8396* grok, nch3.0 a Proposed Contract > > 8397# Jason1.1 Editorial what? > > 8398# grok, G. 1.0 Auction End Clarification > > 8399# P.S.S. 2.0 Referral > > 8400* Murphy, nch, G. 3.0 More conservative implicit > > announcements 8401# R. Lee 1.0 E had two months! > > 8402# R. Lee 1.0 Clinton v City of New York > > > > > > The proposal pool is currently empty. > > Grok's "Cantus Counterscam" (which has the author and co-author values that > are incorrectly listed for "a Proposed Contract") is missing. > > I believe that e retracted it.
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On Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:42:06 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8388f nch 1.0 The Webmastor > 8389# G. 2.0 Just Impeach instead > 8390* R. Lee 3.0 Registror > 8391* R. Lee 3.0 Notory (Vote Labour) > 8392# Jason2.0 Prior violations > 8393# Aris 2.0 Elections Aren't Over Till They End > 8394# Jason2.0 8228 retry > 8395# G., R. Lee 1.7 Mooting moots > 8396* grok, nch3.0 a Proposed Contract > 8397# Jason1.1 Editorial what? > 8398# grok, G. 1.0 Auction End Clarification > 8399# P.S.S. 2.0 Referral > 8400* Murphy, nch, G. 3.0 More conservative implicit > announcements 8401# R. Lee 1.0 E had two months! > 8402# R. Lee 1.0 Clinton v City of New York > > > The proposal pool is currently empty. Grok's "Cantus Counterscam" (which has the author and co-author values that are incorrectly listed for "a Proposed Contract") is missing.
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On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 1:43 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > Here's my weekly draft. > > -Aris > > --- > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > quorum is 8, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are > conditional votes). > > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8396* grok, nch3.0 a Proposed Contract The author, chamber, and AI are all inconsistent with the title. -Aris
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Here's my weekly draft. -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 8, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional votes). ID Author(s)AITitle --- 8388f nch 1.0 The Webmastor 8389# G. 2.0 Just Impeach instead 8390* R. Lee 3.0 Registror 8391* R. Lee 3.0 Notory (Vote Labour) 8392# Jason2.0 Prior violations 8393# Aris 2.0 Elections Aren't Over Till They End 8394# Jason2.0 8228 retry 8395# G., R. Lee 1.7 Mooting moots 8396* grok, nch3.0 a Proposed Contract 8397# Jason1.1 Editorial what? 8398# grok, G. 1.0 Auction End Clarification 8399# P.S.S. 2.0 Referral 8400* Murphy, nch, G. 3.0 More conservative implicit announcements 8401# R. Lee 1.0 E had two months! 8402# R. Lee 1.0 Clinton v City of New York The proposal pool is currently empty. Legend: * : Democratic proposal. # : Ordinary proposal, unset chamber. e : Economy ministry proposal. f : Efficiency ministry proposal. j : Justice ministry proposal. l : Legislation ministry proposal. p : Participation ministry proposal. The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below. // ID: 8388 Title: The Webmastor Adoption index: 1.0 Author: nch Co-authors: Enact a rule titled "The Webmastor" with Power=1 and the following text: The Webmastor is an office. The Webmastor's monthly report includes a Directory, a Changelog, a Warning Log, and an Error Log. The Directory lists notable currently maintained public resources. The Changelog lists notable changes to resources. The Warning Log lists notable potential issues, such as inaccurate or aging resources or unintended issues with a public resource. The Error Log lists notable losses of resources - where a resource has become inaccessible, unmaintained, or unusable. Where 'notable' is used in this rule its meaning is up to the Webmastor's discretion. // ID: 8389 Title: Just Impeach instead Adoption index: 2.0 Author: G. Co-authors: Amend Rule 2531 by deleting: If the Referee attempts to levy three or more INEFFECTIVE fines in a week, any player CAN, with two support, issue a writ of Impartial Arbitration Restoration, immediately making the position of Referee vacant. When a writ of Impartial Arbitration Restoration is issued, the ADoP SHALL initiate an election for the Referee in a timely fashion. [context: When this was written, there were very few protections in this rule, and general impeachment didn't exist. Now with the full list of protections the Referee is pretty constrained, and impeachment exists.] // ID: 8390 Title: Registror Adoption index: 3.0 Author: R. Lee Co-authors: Retitle the rule 2139 "The Registrar" to "The Registror" Amend each rule that contains the text "Registrar" by replacing that text with "Registror" (This informational segment in brackets has no legal effects. A list of those rules as this proposal is written for your information is rules 869, 478, 2139, 1789, 2532, 2574, 1885, 2581) // ID: 8391 Title: Notory (Vote Labour) Adoption index: 3.0 Author: R. Lee Co-authors: Retitle rule 2608 "The Notary" to "The Notory" Amend rules 2608 and 2450, and also any other rule that contains the text "Notary", by replacing the word "Notary" with "Notory" // ID: 8392 Title: Prior violations Adoption index: 2.0 Author: Jason Co-authors: Amend Rule 2531 by changing the list item labeled (2) to read, in its entirety: "(2) it attempts to levy a fine for an action or inaction which, at the time the inaction or action occurred, was not prohibited by the rules;" [This ensures that, as long as an action violated the rules when it was committed, it can be punished. For instance, the Assessor could commit a crime immediately before resolving a proposal that changes the definition of the crime. Currently, it's possible the Assessor could not be punished, since the rules at the time of the fine being levied would not prohibit the action, even if it was illegal at the time it occurred.] ///
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Here's a draft. While I obviously can't declare a deadline under the current rules, it would be highly appreciated if people could refrain from changing things for the next 24 hours or so. -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 9, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional votes). IDAuthor(s)AITitle --- 8235 Jason Cobb 3.0 Unified fine creation syntax 8236 Jason Cobb, Aris 3.0 Definition de-capitalization 8237 Jacob Arduino, [1] 1.0 Repairing Defeated Spaceships v3 8238 Jacob Arduino, twg, G. 3.0 Cancelling Proposals (arr. for violin) 8239 Jason Cobb, [2] 1.0 The Editor (v2.0.1) 8240 Jason Cobb 3.0 Regulation clarification 8241 Falsifian3.0 Secured switches (v2.0) 8242 Falsifian3.0 Let the dead rest [1] twg, Jason Cobb [2] G., Aris, Trigon The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below. // ID: 8235 Title: Unified fine creation syntax Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Jason Cobb Co-authors: Amend Rule 2555 ("Blots") by replacing the text "To Levy a Fine" with the text "To levy a fine". Amend Rule 2451 ("Executive Orders") by replacing the sentence The Prime Minister levies a 2 Blot fine on a specified player. with the sentence The Prime Minister levies a fine of 2 on a specified player. Amend Rule 2479 ("Official Justice") by replacing the text "levying a fine of up to 2 blots on em" with the text "levying a fine of (a value not exceeding 2) on em". // ID: 8236 Title: Definition de-capitalization Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Jason Cobb Co-authors: Aris Amend Rule 1728 to read, in whole: The following methods of taking actions are known as "dependent actions": 1. without N objections, where N is a positive integer no greater than 8 ("without objection" is shorthand for this method with N = 1); 2. with N support, where N is a positive integer ("with support" is shorthand for this method with N = 1); 3. with N Agoran consent, where N is an integer multiple of 0.1 with a minimum of 1 ("With Agoran consent" is shorthand for this method with N = 1); 4. with notice; or 5. with T notice, where T is a time period. N is 1 unless otherwise specified. Amend Rule 2595 as follows: In the first sub-bullet under item 2 of the only list, replace the text "with T Notice" with the text "with T notice". In the second sub-bullet under item 2 of the only list, replace the text "Without N Objections, With N Support, or With N Agoran Consent" with the text "without N objections, with N support, or with N Agoran Consent". In the first sub-bullet under item 3 of the only list, replace the text "With N Support" with the text "with N support". In the second sub-bullet under item 3 of the only list, replace the text "Without N Objections, With N Agoran Consent, or With Notice" with the text "without N objections, with N Agoran consent, or with notice". In the third sub-bullet under item 3 of the only list, replace the text "With T Notice" with the text "with T notice". In the final paragraph, replace the text "with N Agoran Consent" with the text "with N Agoran consent". Amend the only list in Rule 2124 ("Agoran Satisfaction") to read: 1. The action is to be performed Without N objections, and there are at least N Objectors to that intent. 2. The action is to be performed With N support, and there are fewer than than N Supporters of that intent. 3. The action is to be performed with N Agoran consent, and the number of Supporters of the intent is less than or equal to N times the number of Objectors to the intent. // ID: 8237 Title: Repairing Defeated Spaceships v3 Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Jason Cobb Co-authors: twg, Jason Cobb Amend Rule 2595 by replacing the text "Any player CAN, by announcement, spend a coin to increase the Armour of a Pilotable Spaceship e owns by 1." with the text "Any player CAN pay a fee of 1 coin to increase the Armour of a Pilotable Spaceship in eir possession by 1 or pay a fee of 3 coins to increase the Armour of a Defeated Spaceship by 1." [Comment: Right now, Defeated Spaceships are effectively dead forever. If a player goes all out and kills the other person's Spaceship, they are effectively banished from the subgame forever. To solve this, a slight penalty is added for repairing a Defeated spaceship. The number of coins re
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I am the author of "Not so indestructible now, eh?". This is correct in the table but not correct in the text of the proposal. Jason Cobb On 6/11/19 7:31 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: Given how long it's been, and how many proposals there are, I'd like to send out a draft rather than just getting everything wrong. Here's that draft. There will be a small reward (plus my appreciation) for any corrections! -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 9, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional votes). IDAuthor(s) AITitle --- 8180 Trigon, D Margaux 1.0 Paying our Assessor 8181 D Margaux, [1]1.7 Referee CAN Impose Fines (v1.1) 8182 Jason Cobb3.0 Add value to zombies 8183 V.J. Rada, Tiger 3.0 Regulated Actions Reform 8184 G.3.0 power-limit precedence 8185 Trigon3.0 OUGHT we? 8186 Jason Cobb3.0 Minor currency fixes 8187 Jason Cobb3.0 Not so indestructible now, eh? [1] Falsifian, twg The proposal pool is currently empty. The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below. // ID: 8180 Title: Paying our Assessor Adoption index: 1.0 Author: Trigon Co-authors: D Margaux [ Comment: This is something I didn't include from the version of Rule 2496 that I didn't include for whatever reason. ] To Rule 2496 "Rewards" add the following bullet point after the third one: "Resolving an Agoran Decision on whether to adopt a proposal, provided that no other Agoran Decision on whether to adopt that or any other proposal had been resolved earlier in that Agoran week: 5 coins." // ID: 8181 Title: Referee CAN Impose Fines (v1.1) Adoption index: 1.7 Author: D Margaux Co-authors: Falsifian, twg Amend Rule 2478 to replace this text: “When a player Points a Finger, the investigator SHALL investigate the allegation and, in a timely fashion, SHALL conclude the investigation by:” With this text: “When a player Points a Finger, the investigator SHALL investigate the allegation and CAN, and in a timely fashion SHALL, conclude the investigation by:” // ID: 8182 Title: Add value to zombies Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Jason Cobb Co-authors: Amend Rule 2574 as follows: Replace the text "Resale is a secured natural switch for zombies" with the text "Resale value is a secured natural switch for zombies". Replace the text "Resale value" in the third item of the only list with the text "resale value". // ID: 8183 Title: Regulated Actions Reform Adoption index: 3.0 Author: V.J. Rada Co-authors: Tiger Amend Rule 2125 "Regulated Actions" by replacing the text "The Rules SHALL NOT be interpreted so as to proscribe unregulated actions." with the text "Nothing in the Rules and no other Entity nor any other thing under these rules proscribes unregulated actions, and this sentence takes precedence over any Rule or Entity that could be interpreted as proscribing such an action" // ID: 8184 Title: power-limit precedence Adoption index: 3.0 Author: G. Co-authors: Amend Rule 2140 (Power Controls Mutability) by replacing: No entity with power below with: Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, no entity with power below // ID: 8185 Title: OUGHT we? Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Trigon Co-authors: In Rule 2152: replace "SHOULD NOT, DISCOURAGED, DEPRECATED" with "SHOULD NOT, OUGHT NOT, DISCOURAGED, DEPRECATED", and replace "SHOULD, ENCOURAGED, RECOMMENDED" with "SHOULD, OUGHT, ENCOURAGED, RECOMMENDED" // ID: 8186 Title: Minor currency fixes Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Jason Cobb Co-authors: Amend Rule 2578 ("Currencies") as follows: Replace all instances of the text '"Agora's official currency"' with the text "the official currency of Agora". [Note: this strikes the quotation marks] Amend Rule 2549 ("Auction Initiation") as follows: Replace all instances of the text "Agora's official currency" with the text "the official currency of Agora". Amend Rule 2483 ("Economics") as follows: Replace the text "Coins are the official currency of Agora tracked by the Treasuror." with the text "
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Given how long it's been, and how many proposals there are, I'd like to send out a draft rather than just getting everything wrong. Here's that draft. There will be a small reward (plus my appreciation) for any corrections! -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 9, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional votes). IDAuthor(s) AITitle --- 8180 Trigon, D Margaux 1.0 Paying our Assessor 8181 D Margaux, [1]1.7 Referee CAN Impose Fines (v1.1) 8182 Jason Cobb3.0 Add value to zombies 8183 V.J. Rada, Tiger 3.0 Regulated Actions Reform 8184 G.3.0 power-limit precedence 8185 Trigon3.0 OUGHT we? 8186 Jason Cobb3.0 Minor currency fixes 8187 Jason Cobb3.0 Not so indestructible now, eh? [1] Falsifian, twg The proposal pool is currently empty. The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below. // ID: 8180 Title: Paying our Assessor Adoption index: 1.0 Author: Trigon Co-authors: D Margaux [ Comment: This is something I didn't include from the version of Rule 2496 that I didn't include for whatever reason. ] To Rule 2496 "Rewards" add the following bullet point after the third one: "Resolving an Agoran Decision on whether to adopt a proposal, provided that no other Agoran Decision on whether to adopt that or any other proposal had been resolved earlier in that Agoran week: 5 coins." // ID: 8181 Title: Referee CAN Impose Fines (v1.1) Adoption index: 1.7 Author: D Margaux Co-authors: Falsifian, twg Amend Rule 2478 to replace this text: “When a player Points a Finger, the investigator SHALL investigate the allegation and, in a timely fashion, SHALL conclude the investigation by:” With this text: “When a player Points a Finger, the investigator SHALL investigate the allegation and CAN, and in a timely fashion SHALL, conclude the investigation by:” // ID: 8182 Title: Add value to zombies Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Jason Cobb Co-authors: Amend Rule 2574 as follows: Replace the text "Resale is a secured natural switch for zombies" with the text "Resale value is a secured natural switch for zombies". Replace the text "Resale value" in the third item of the only list with the text "resale value". // ID: 8183 Title: Regulated Actions Reform Adoption index: 3.0 Author: V.J. Rada Co-authors: Tiger Amend Rule 2125 "Regulated Actions" by replacing the text "The Rules SHALL NOT be interpreted so as to proscribe unregulated actions." with the text "Nothing in the Rules and no other Entity nor any other thing under these rules proscribes unregulated actions, and this sentence takes precedence over any Rule or Entity that could be interpreted as proscribing such an action" // ID: 8184 Title: power-limit precedence Adoption index: 3.0 Author: G. Co-authors: Amend Rule 2140 (Power Controls Mutability) by replacing: No entity with power below with: Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, no entity with power below // ID: 8185 Title: OUGHT we? Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Trigon Co-authors: In Rule 2152: replace "SHOULD NOT, DISCOURAGED, DEPRECATED" with "SHOULD NOT, OUGHT NOT, DISCOURAGED, DEPRECATED", and replace "SHOULD, ENCOURAGED, RECOMMENDED" with "SHOULD, OUGHT, ENCOURAGED, RECOMMENDED" // ID: 8186 Title: Minor currency fixes Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Jason Cobb Co-authors: Amend Rule 2578 ("Currencies") as follows: Replace all instances of the text '"Agora's official currency"' with the text "the official currency of Agora". [Note: this strikes the quotation marks] Amend Rule 2549 ("Auction Initiation") as follows: Replace all instances of the text "Agora's official currency" with the text "the official currency of Agora". Amend Rule 2483 ("Economics") as follows: Replace the text "Coins are the official currency of Agora tracked by the Treasuror." with the text "Coins are the official currency of Agora and are tracked by the Treasuror." // ID: 8187 Title: Not so indestructible now, eh? Adoption index: 3.0 Au
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Would someone look over this? I have a feeling I may be missing something, but it's possible activity has just been really low. -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 6, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional votes). IDAuthor(s) AITitle --- 8174 G. 1.0 Understated The proposal pool is currently empty. The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below. // ID: 8174 Title: Understated Adoption index: 3.0 Author: G. Co-authors: Amend Rule 2496 (Rewards) by replacing: A player CAN earn the set of assets associated with a reward condition exactly once in a timely fashion each time e fulfills it by stating how many assets e earns as a result of this action. with: A player CAN, by announcement, earn the set of assets associated with a reward condition exactly once in a timely fashion each time e fulfills it, provided the announcement specifies the action that e performed and the amount of assets e earns as a result. [in addition to putting in the 'by announcement', use of the term 'specify' invokes the same standard as in R478 that (by precedent) allows for shorthand, references, quanging, etc.] //
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TTttDF -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, 10 September 2018 00:46, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > Crap, you're right. I even wrote the resolution message, just never clicked > send. My bad. > > -twg > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Monday, 10 September 2018 00:41, Aris Merchant > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Was Proposal 8089 ever resolved? I can't seem to find an resolution, > > which would make quorum 2 from Proposal 8087. > > Also, I have only a week to add them back to the pool, and that time > > has been expended. We could add them back by proposal though. I'll > > write one to do that. > > On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 5:27 PM Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > > > > I make quorum 4. Voters on proposal 8089 were Aris, G., Murphy, Trigon, > > > twg and Kenyon, making 6 valid ballots. > > > Also, Aris, it would be helpful if you could redistribute proposals > > > 8082-8089, except 8086 which doesn't exist. (8077A-8081A haven't met > > > quorum yet either, but the CFJ on whether you can redistribute twice > > > hasn't been judged yet, and none of 8082-8089 rely on them, so I figure > > > it's safe to wait for a later distribution.) > > > -twg > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > On Monday, 10 September 2018 00:22, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > > > > > > > > > quorum is 7.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid > > > > > > > > quorum is 3 I think.
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Was Proposal 8089 ever resolved? I can't seem to find an resolution, which would make quorum 2 from Proposal 8087. Also, I have only a week to add them back to the pool, and that time has been expended. We could add them back by proposal though. I'll write one to do that. On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 5:27 PM Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > I make quorum 4. Voters on proposal 8089 were Aris, G., Murphy, Trigon, twg > and Kenyon, making 6 valid ballots. > > Also, Aris, it would be helpful if you could redistribute proposals > 8082-8089, except 8086 which doesn't exist. (8077A-8081A haven't met quorum > yet either, but the CFJ on whether you can redistribute twice hasn't been > judged yet, and none of 8082-8089 rely on them, so I figure it's safe to wait > for a later distribution.) > > -twg > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Monday, 10 September 2018 00:22, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > > > > > quorum is 7.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid > > > > quorum is 3 I think. > >
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I make quorum 4. Voters on proposal 8089 were Aris, G., Murphy, Trigon, twg and Kenyon, making 6 valid ballots. Also, Aris, it would be helpful if you could redistribute proposals 8082-8089, except 8086 which doesn't exist. (8077A-8081A haven't met quorum yet either, but the CFJ on whether you can redistribute twice hasn't been judged yet, and none of 8082-8089 rely on them, so I figure it's safe to wait for a later distribution.) -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, 10 September 2018 00:22, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > > > quorum is 7.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid > > quorum is 3 I think.
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On Sun, 9 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > quorum is 7.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid quorum is 3 I think.
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Does this look right to everyone? It's been a while (entirely my fault), so I'm probably missing something, but this is the best I've got right now. With apologies, Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 7.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional votes). ID Author(s) AITitle --- 8090* D Margaux 1.7 Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) 8091* Murphy, Oerjan 2.0 Slow your quorum v1.1 8092* twg 1.0 Yet Another Economics Patch The proposal pool is currently empty. [1] twg, Aris, G., Corona Legend: * : Proposal is pending. + : By publishing this report, I pend the marked proposal. The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. // ID: 8090 Title: Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) Adoption index: 1.7 Author: D Margaux Co-authors: Amend Rule 2478 to replace this text: “or that it would be ILLEGAL to levy a fine for it” with this text: “or that it would be ILLEGAL or INEFFECTIVE to levy a fine for it” // ID: 8091 Title: Slow your quorum v1.1 Adoption index: 2.0 Author: Murphy Co-authors: Oerjan Amend Rule 879 (Quorum) by replacing this text: The quorum that an Agoran Decision gains as it is created can be defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that decision is equal to the number of players who voted on the Agoran Decision to adopt a proposal that had been most recently resolved at the time of that decision's initiation, minus 2. with this text: The quorum that an Agoran Decision gains as it is created can be defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that decision is equal to 2. Create a rule titled "Baseline Quorum" with Power = 2 and this text: Baseline Quorum is a switch, tracked by the Promotor, with values equal to the positive integers and default value 1. When an Agoran Decision is created, it gains quorum equal to Baseline Quorum. Target Quorum is N - 2, where N is the number of players who voted on the most recently resolved Agoran Decision to adopt a proposal. Once per week, the Promotor CAN increase or decrease Baseline Quorum by 1 by announcement, and SHALL do so as follows: a) If Baseline Quorum < Target Quorum, then increase it. b) If Baseline Quorum > Target Quorum, then decrease it. c) If Baseline Quorum = Target Quorum, then announce it. E need not change it that week. Set Baseline Quorum equal to what Target Quorum would have been immediately before the adoption of this proposal, if it had been defined as above. // ID: 8092 Title: Yet Another Economics Patch Adoption index: 1.0 Author: twg Co-authors: Amend rule 2499, "Welcome Packages", by removing the list item "5 incense" and renumbering the other list items appropriately. Destroy all incense. //
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In the full-text-of-proposals section, proposal 8085's title is incorrect. Also, you missed the proposal Kenyon submitted here: https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg32486.html Otherwise, it looks good to me! -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 10, 2018 6:47 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > This is a draft report. Corrections are appreciated, as always. I have > marked the proposals that are being distributed a second time A, > > as noted in the key. This identifies the distribution; the proposal is > still the same and thus has the same ID. The distribution-qualified > form should be useful for Assessor tallies, and probably not much > else. > > -Aris > > -- > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > quorum is 7.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are > conditional votes). > > ID Author(s) AI Title > > > > 8077A* twg 3.0 Patchy McPatchface > 8078A* twg 2.0 From each according to eir means > 8079A* twg 2.0 From each according to eir means v2 > 8080A* Aris 2.0 From each according to eir means v3 > 8081A* Aris, G., twg 3.0 Point Installation Act v2 > 8082* twg 1.0 Gamestate correction for July 2018 > 8083* G. 3.0 quorum fixes > 8084* Trigon 1.0 Needs more Competition > 8085* Kenyon, twg 2.0 Plain Old Bribery, Mk. II > 8086* Trigon, [1] 1.0 Revamping movement v3.1 > 8087* Aris 1.0 Even Freer Proposals > > The proposal pool is currently empty. > > [1] twg, Aris, G., Corona > > Legend: * : Proposal is pending. > > + : By publishing this report, I pend the marked proposal. > > A : Distribution identifier for a second distribution. > > > The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. > > // > ID: 8077 > Title: Patchy McPatchface > Adoption index: 3.0 > Author: twg > Co-author(s): > > Amend rule 478, "Fora", by replacing "may change" with "CAN change". > > Amend rule 1789, "Cantus Cygneus", by replacing every occurrence of > "shall" with "SHALL". > > // > ID: 8078 > Title: From each according to eir means > Adoption index: 2.0 > Author: twg > Co-author(s): > > [ This is an attempt at a reset/rebalance that strikes a middle ground between > completely erasing everyone's progress and leaving the current exponentially- > growing inequality in place. I'm not positive that I struck the right balance > but even if it's rejected it can be a starting point for discussion. ] > > For each facility owned by a player, transfer all coins owned by that facility > to its owner. > > For each zombie owned by a player, transfer all coins owned by that zombie to > its owner. > > Decrease the coin balance of each player to the square root (rounded up to the > next largest integer) of however many coins e possessed before this sentence > took effect. > > // > ID: 8079 > Title: From each according to eir means v2 > Adoption index: 2.0 > Author: twg > Co-author(s): > > [An alternative algorithm which may be slightly preferable: Quarter > the coin balances instead of square-rooting them.] > > If the votes on the proposal titled "From each according to eir > means" authored by twg are such that it has been or will undoubtedly > be ADOPTED, then this proposal has no effect. > > For each facility owned by a player, transfer all coins owned by that > facility to its owner. > > For each zombie owned by a player, transfer all coins owned by that > zombie to its owner. > > Decrease the coin balance of each player to one-quarter (rounded up to > the next largest integer) of however many coins e possessed before > this sentence took effect. > > // > ID: 8080 > Title: From each according to eir means v3 > Adoption index: 2.0 > Author: Aris > Co-author(s): twg > > If the votes on any proposal, the title of which contains "From each", > authored by twg, are such that it has been or will undoubtedly > be ADOPTED, then this proposal has no effect. > > For each facility owned by a player, transfer all c
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This is a draft report. Corrections are appreciated, as always. I have marked the proposals that are being distributed a second time A, as noted in the key. This identifies the distribution; the proposal is still the same and thus has the same ID. The distribution-qualified form should be useful for Assessor tallies, and probably not much else. -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 7.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional votes). ID Author(s) AITitle --- 8077A* twg 3.0 Patchy McPatchface 8078A* twg 2.0 From each according to eir means 8079A* twg 2.0 From each according to eir means v2 8080A* Aris2.0 From each according to eir means v3 8081A* Aris, G., twg 3.0 Point Installation Act v2 8082* twg 1.0 Gamestate correction for July 2018 8083* G. 3.0 quorum fixes 8084* Trigon 1.0 Needs more Competition 8085* Kenyon, twg 2.0 Plain Old Bribery, Mk. II 8086* Trigon, [1] 1.0 Revamping movement v3.1 8087* Aris1.0 Even Freer Proposals The proposal pool is currently empty. [1] twg, Aris, G., Corona Legend: * : Proposal is pending. + : By publishing this report, I pend the marked proposal. A : Distribution identifier for a second distribution. The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. // ID: 8077 Title: Patchy McPatchface Adoption index: 3.0 Author: twg Co-author(s): Amend rule 478, "Fora", by replacing "may change" with "CAN change". Amend rule 1789, "Cantus Cygneus", by replacing every occurrence of "shall" with "SHALL". // ID: 8078 Title: From each according to eir means Adoption index: 2.0 Author: twg Co-author(s): [ This is an attempt at a reset/rebalance that strikes a middle ground between completely erasing everyone's progress and leaving the current exponentially- growing inequality in place. I'm not positive that I struck the right balance but even if it's rejected it can be a starting point for discussion. ] For each facility owned by a player, transfer all coins owned by that facility to its owner. For each zombie owned by a player, transfer all coins owned by that zombie to its owner. Decrease the coin balance of each player to the square root (rounded up to the next largest integer) of however many coins e possessed before this sentence took effect. // ID: 8079 Title: From each according to eir means v2 Adoption index: 2.0 Author: twg Co-author(s): [An alternative algorithm which may be slightly preferable: Quarter the coin balances instead of square-rooting them.] If the votes on the proposal titled "From each according to eir means" authored by twg are such that it has been or will undoubtedly be ADOPTED, then this proposal has no effect. For each facility owned by a player, transfer all coins owned by that facility to its owner. For each zombie owned by a player, transfer all coins owned by that zombie to its owner. Decrease the coin balance of each player to one-quarter (rounded up to the next largest integer) of however many coins e possessed before this sentence took effect. // ID: 8080 Title: From each according to eir means v3 Adoption index: 2.0 Author: Aris Co-author(s): twg If the votes on any proposal, the title of which contains "From each", authored by twg, are such that it has been or will undoubtedly be ADOPTED, then this proposal has no effect. For each facility owned by a player, transfer all coins owned by that facility to its owner. For each zombie owned by a player, transfer all coins owned by that zombie to its owner. Decrease the coin balance of each player to one-tenth (rounded up to the next largest integer) of however many coins e possessed before this sentence took effect. // ID: 8081 Title: Point Installation Act v2 Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Aris Co-authors: G., twg Create the following Rule, Points, AI-2.0: Points are the official currency of Agora. Points can only be owned by players and Agora. Points are tracked by the Treasuror. For each player, create a number of points in eir possession equal to either (A) the number of coins e had immediately before this proposal took effect, or (B) 1000, whichever is less. [Why am I doing things in this rule that could go
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Here's my intermittent weekly draft. -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 6.0 and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional votes). ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee --- 7965* Trigon 3.0 One pronoun fix Trigon 1 AP 7966* ATMunn 1.0 But I already live there!o 1 AP 7967* V.J. Rada 1.0 Rhyming sux tbh V.J. Rada 1 AP 7968* Alexis, [2]2.0 Backed Out the Door Alexis OP [1] 7969* V.J. Rada, [3] 3.0 Obvious fix V.J. Rada 2 sh. 7970* V.J. Rada 2.0 Referee Minor FixV.J. Rada 2 sh. 7971* V.J. Rada, [3] 2.0 Cleanup Time V.J. Rada 2 sh. The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: ID Author(s) AI Title --- pp1 Alexis1.7 A Most Ingenious Paradox pp2 G.2.0 Silly Tweaks pp3 ATMunn, [3] 1.0 [4] Legend: * : Proposal is pending. [1] Official Proposal, inherently pending [2] Telnaior, ais523, Aris, G. [3] Alexis [4] No title A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value in shines (see the Treasuror's report). The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. // ID: 7965 Title: One pronoun fix Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Trigon Co-authors: Replace the word "his" in the second paragraph of Rule 2438 ("Ribbons") with "eir". // ID: 7966 Title: But I already live there Adoption index: 1.0 Author: Trigon Co-authors: Amend rule 2474 "Green Cards" by replacing the text "the United States" with "Brazil". // ID: 7967 Title: Rhyming sux tbh Adoption index: 1.0 Author: V.J. Rada Co-authors: Repeal rule 1650, "Silliness" Repeal the rule called "Poetry Duel Challenge Writ // ID: 7968 Title: Backed Out the Door Adoption index: 2.0 Author: Alexis Co-authors: Telnaior, ais523, Aris, G. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Political Parties", reading as follows: There are 5 Parties, in order: - Platonic Isolationists - New Punchbowl Reformers - Costume Conservatives - Substance Use Liberals - Official Raving Monster Looney Party Politicians are entities; each Politician has a name and an associated Party. Politicians exist only as specified by the rules. Creating, altering, or destroying Politicians is secured. If there are ever fewer than 20 Politicians, then the Clork CAN and SHALL, by announcement, create a new Politician, specifying eir Party and name. The Party must be selected at random from: - If any Party has fewer than 3 Politicans, the Party or Parties with the fewest. - Otherwise, the Parties with fewer than 5 Politicians. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Clork", reading as follows: The Clork (pronounced "clark") is an office. The Clork's weekly report includes: - a list of all Politicans with their names and Parties. - the assignment of Policies to Parties. The portion of a document purporting to be a Clork's report containing the above information is self-ratifying. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Echelon Forms", reading as follows: A Post is a position which can be held by at most one Politician. Each Politican can hold at most one Post at a time. Each Post is in an Echelon, which has an associated Rank. The Echelons, and their Posts and Ranks, are as follows: Chamber of Power (Rank 5): - Host Upper Echelon (Rank 3): - Planner - Enforcer - Organizer - Creep Row Echelon (Rank 1): - Schmoozer - Decorator - Loner - Drunk - Mystery - Wild One - Hat Rack Each Politician who holds a Post is in the Echelon of that post; other Politicians are in the Row-Reduced Echelon, which has Rank 0. Likewise, the Rank of a Post or Politician is the Rank of their Echelon. If a rule provides that a Post can take an action, then the Advisor of the holder of that Post CAN take that action. If there is no such player, and the Post is required to take that action, then the Clork CAN do it prior to any deadline for its performance. After a deadline for a Post to perform an action, any player CAN take it. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Taken Under Advisement", reading as follows: Advisor is a Politician switch, tracked by the Clork, with possible values all players and none (default). For each
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o. is a co-author of I Demand Faster Auctions, which you do not list here. On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > Also my two proposals about the mailing lists. > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 at 09:17 Alexis Hunt wrote: >> >> I believe my high power cleanup proposal is missing. >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 09:11 ATMunn ., wrote: >>> >>> Looks good to me. >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Aris Merchant >>> wrote: Just a draft to make sure I haven't messed something up again. -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 8.0 and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote). ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee --- 7931* G. 3.0 Registration fix finally G. 1 sh. 7932* ATMunn, [1]1.0 A Reward for Obedience v4ATMunn 1 sh. 7933* Alexis 3.0 Ribbon Preservation Act Alexis 1 sh. 7934* 天火狐 1.0 Poetry Duel Challenge Writ 天火狐 OP [2] 7935* Trigon 1.0 Revision Limits Trigon 1 AP 7936* V.J. Rada 2.0 Print Money V.J. Rada 1 AP 7937* V.J. Rada 2.0 I Demand Faster Auctions V.J. Rada 1 AP 7938* Aris 3.0 Fix Campaign Proposals Aris1 AP 7939* V.J. Rada 1.0 Repeal the Reportor V.J. Rada 1 sh. The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: IDAuthor(s) AI Title --- pp1 G.3.0 I've never seen this done [1] Aris, Alexis, G. [2] Official Proposal, inherently pending A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value in shines (see the Treasuror's report). The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. // ID: 7931 Title: Registration fix finally Adoption index: 3.0 Author: G. Co-authors: [It looks like we have various ways for players to make money now so the re-registration bug can be fixed. Also clearly defines the verb "to register" and makes it clear that registered persons can't "re" register]. Amend Rule 869 (How to Join and Leave Agora) by replacing: Citizenship is a person switch with values Unregistered (default) and Registered, tracked by the Registrar. Changes to citizenship are secured. A registered person is a Player. A person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or prevented by the rules) register by publishing a message that indicates reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e intends to become a player at that time. A person, by registering, agrees to abide by the Rules. The Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a person to abide by any agreement without that person's willful consent. A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement. If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days. with: Citizenship is a person switch with values Unregistered (default) and Registered, tracked by the Registrar. Changes to citizenship are secured. A registered person is a Player. To "register" someone is to flip that person's Citizenship switch from Unregistered to Registered. An Unregistered person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or prevented by the rules) register by publishing a message that indicates reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e intends to become a player at that time. A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement. If e does so, e CANNOT register or be registered for 30 days. A person, by registering, agrees to abide by the Rules. The Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a person to abide by any agreement without that person's willful consent. // ID: 7932 Title: A Reward for Obedience v4 Adoption index: 1.0 Author: ATMunn Co-authors: Aris, Alexis, G. Repeal rule 2482, "Victory Elections" Create a new power-1 rule titled "Medals of Honour" { Medals of Honour are a destructible fixed currency tracked by the Herald. In the 7 days of an Agoran month, any player CAN declare emself to be e
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Also my two proposals about the mailing lists. On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 at 09:17 Alexis Hunt wrote: > I believe my high power cleanup proposal is missing. > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 09:11 ATMunn ., wrote: > >> Looks good to me. >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Aris Merchant < >> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Just a draft to make sure I haven't messed something up again. >>> >>> -Aris >>> >>> --- >>> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran >>> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal >>> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the >>> quorum is 8.0 and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is >>> also a valid vote). >>> >>> ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend >>> fee >>> >>> --- >>> 7931* G. 3.0 Registration fix finally G. 1 sh. >>> 7932* ATMunn, [1]1.0 A Reward for Obedience v4ATMunn 1 sh. >>> 7933* Alexis 3.0 Ribbon Preservation Act Alexis 1 sh. >>> 7934* 天火狐 1.0 Poetry Duel Challenge Writ 天火狐 OP [2] >>> 7935* Trigon 1.0 Revision Limits Trigon 1 AP >>> 7936* V.J. Rada 2.0 Print Money V.J. Rada 1 AP >>> 7937* V.J. Rada 2.0 I Demand Faster Auctions V.J. Rada 1 AP >>> 7938* Aris 3.0 Fix Campaign Proposals Aris1 AP >>> 7939* V.J. Rada 1.0 Repeal the Reportor V.J. Rada 1 sh. >>> >>> The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: >>> >>> IDAuthor(s) AI Title >>> >>> --- >>> pp1 G.3.0 I've never seen this done >>> >>> [1] Aris, Alexis, G. >>> [2] Official Proposal, inherently pending >>> >>> A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value >>> in shines (see the Treasuror's report). >>> >>> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. >>> >>> // >>> ID: 7931 >>> Title: Registration fix finally >>> Adoption index: 3.0 >>> Author: G. >>> Co-authors: >>> >>> >>> [It looks like we have various ways for players to make money now so >>> the re-registration bug can be fixed. Also clearly defines the verb >>> "to register" and makes it clear that registered persons can't "re" >>> register]. >>> >>> >>> Amend Rule 869 (How to Join and Leave Agora) by replacing: >>> >>> Citizenship is a person switch with values Unregistered >>> (default) and Registered, tracked by the Registrar. Changes to >>> citizenship are secured. A registered person is a Player. >>> >>> A person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or prevented by the >>> rules) register by publishing a message that indicates >>> reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e intends >>> to become a player at that time. A person, by registering, >>> agrees to abide by the Rules. The Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a >>> person to abide by any agreement without that person's willful >>> consent. >>> >>> A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement. >>> If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days. >>> >>> with: >>> >>> Citizenship is a person switch with values Unregistered >>> (default) and Registered, tracked by the Registrar. Changes to >>> citizenship are secured. A registered person is a Player. >>> To "register" someone is to flip that person's Citizenship >>> switch from Unregistered to Registered. >>> >>> An Unregistered person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or >>> prevented by the rules) register by publishing a message that >>> indicates reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e >>> intends to become a player at that time. A player CAN deregister >>> (cease being a player) by announcement. If e does so, e CANNOT >>> register or be registered for 30 days. >>> >>> A person, by registering, agrees to abide by the Rules. The >>> Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a person to abide by any agreement >>> without that person's willful consent. >>> >>> // >>> ID: 7932 >>> Title: A Reward for Obedience v4 >>> Adoption index: 1.0 >>> Author: ATMunn >>> Co-authors: Aris, Alexis, G. >>> >>> Repeal rule 2482, "Victory Elections" >>> >>> Create a new power-1 rule titled "Medals of Honour" >>> { >>> Medals of Honour are a destructible fixed currency tracked by the >>> Herald. >>> >>> In the 7 days of an Agoran month, any player CAN declare emself to be >>> eligible for a Medal of Honour by announcement if all of the following >>> are >>> true: >>> >>> * E has made at least 1 message to a public forum in the last Agoran >>> month. >>> * Eir Karma is not below -3. >>> * In the last A
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I believe my high power cleanup proposal is missing. On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 09:11 ATMunn ., wrote: > Looks good to me. > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Just a draft to make sure I haven't messed something up again. >> >> -Aris >> >> --- >> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran >> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal >> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the >> quorum is 8.0 and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is >> also a valid vote). >> >> ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend >> fee >> >> --- >> 7931* G. 3.0 Registration fix finally G. 1 sh. >> 7932* ATMunn, [1]1.0 A Reward for Obedience v4ATMunn 1 sh. >> 7933* Alexis 3.0 Ribbon Preservation Act Alexis 1 sh. >> 7934* 天火狐 1.0 Poetry Duel Challenge Writ 天火狐 OP [2] >> 7935* Trigon 1.0 Revision Limits Trigon 1 AP >> 7936* V.J. Rada 2.0 Print Money V.J. Rada 1 AP >> 7937* V.J. Rada 2.0 I Demand Faster Auctions V.J. Rada 1 AP >> 7938* Aris 3.0 Fix Campaign Proposals Aris1 AP >> 7939* V.J. Rada 1.0 Repeal the Reportor V.J. Rada 1 sh. >> >> The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: >> >> IDAuthor(s) AI Title >> >> --- >> pp1 G.3.0 I've never seen this done >> >> [1] Aris, Alexis, G. >> [2] Official Proposal, inherently pending >> >> A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value >> in shines (see the Treasuror's report). >> >> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. >> >> // >> ID: 7931 >> Title: Registration fix finally >> Adoption index: 3.0 >> Author: G. >> Co-authors: >> >> >> [It looks like we have various ways for players to make money now so >> the re-registration bug can be fixed. Also clearly defines the verb >> "to register" and makes it clear that registered persons can't "re" >> register]. >> >> >> Amend Rule 869 (How to Join and Leave Agora) by replacing: >> >> Citizenship is a person switch with values Unregistered >> (default) and Registered, tracked by the Registrar. Changes to >> citizenship are secured. A registered person is a Player. >> >> A person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or prevented by the >> rules) register by publishing a message that indicates >> reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e intends >> to become a player at that time. A person, by registering, >> agrees to abide by the Rules. The Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a >> person to abide by any agreement without that person's willful >> consent. >> >> A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement. >> If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days. >> >> with: >> >> Citizenship is a person switch with values Unregistered >> (default) and Registered, tracked by the Registrar. Changes to >> citizenship are secured. A registered person is a Player. >> To "register" someone is to flip that person's Citizenship >> switch from Unregistered to Registered. >> >> An Unregistered person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or >> prevented by the rules) register by publishing a message that >> indicates reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e >> intends to become a player at that time. A player CAN deregister >> (cease being a player) by announcement. If e does so, e CANNOT >> register or be registered for 30 days. >> >> A person, by registering, agrees to abide by the Rules. The >> Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a person to abide by any agreement >> without that person's willful consent. >> >> // >> ID: 7932 >> Title: A Reward for Obedience v4 >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: ATMunn >> Co-authors: Aris, Alexis, G. >> >> Repeal rule 2482, "Victory Elections" >> >> Create a new power-1 rule titled "Medals of Honour" >> { >> Medals of Honour are a destructible fixed currency tracked by the >> Herald. >> >> In the 7 days of an Agoran month, any player CAN declare emself to be >> eligible for a Medal of Honour by announcement if all of the following >> are >> true: >> >> * E has made at least 1 message to a public forum in the last Agoran >> month. >> * Eir Karma is not below -3. >> * In the last Agoran month, e has not had a Card issued to em. >> >> In the 7 days of an Agoran month after the first 7 days, if there are >> any >> players who are eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald CAN, by >> announcement
Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report
Looks good to me. On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Just a draft to make sure I haven't messed something up again. > > -Aris > > --- > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > quorum is 8.0 and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is > also a valid vote). > > ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend > fee > > --- > 7931* G. 3.0 Registration fix finally G. 1 sh. > 7932* ATMunn, [1]1.0 A Reward for Obedience v4ATMunn 1 sh. > 7933* Alexis 3.0 Ribbon Preservation Act Alexis 1 sh. > 7934* 天火狐 1.0 Poetry Duel Challenge Writ 天火狐 OP [2] > 7935* Trigon 1.0 Revision Limits Trigon 1 AP > 7936* V.J. Rada 2.0 Print Money V.J. Rada 1 AP > 7937* V.J. Rada 2.0 I Demand Faster Auctions V.J. Rada 1 AP > 7938* Aris 3.0 Fix Campaign Proposals Aris1 AP > 7939* V.J. Rada 1.0 Repeal the Reportor V.J. Rada 1 sh. > > The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: > > IDAuthor(s) AI Title > > --- > pp1 G.3.0 I've never seen this done > > [1] Aris, Alexis, G. > [2] Official Proposal, inherently pending > > A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value > in shines (see the Treasuror's report). > > The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. > > // > ID: 7931 > Title: Registration fix finally > Adoption index: 3.0 > Author: G. > Co-authors: > > > [It looks like we have various ways for players to make money now so > the re-registration bug can be fixed. Also clearly defines the verb > "to register" and makes it clear that registered persons can't "re" > register]. > > > Amend Rule 869 (How to Join and Leave Agora) by replacing: > > Citizenship is a person switch with values Unregistered > (default) and Registered, tracked by the Registrar. Changes to > citizenship are secured. A registered person is a Player. > > A person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or prevented by the > rules) register by publishing a message that indicates > reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e intends > to become a player at that time. A person, by registering, > agrees to abide by the Rules. The Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a > person to abide by any agreement without that person's willful > consent. > > A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement. > If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days. > > with: > > Citizenship is a person switch with values Unregistered > (default) and Registered, tracked by the Registrar. Changes to > citizenship are secured. A registered person is a Player. > To "register" someone is to flip that person's Citizenship > switch from Unregistered to Registered. > > An Unregistered person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or > prevented by the rules) register by publishing a message that > indicates reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e > intends to become a player at that time. A player CAN deregister > (cease being a player) by announcement. If e does so, e CANNOT > register or be registered for 30 days. > > A person, by registering, agrees to abide by the Rules. The > Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a person to abide by any agreement > without that person's willful consent. > > // > ID: 7932 > Title: A Reward for Obedience v4 > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: ATMunn > Co-authors: Aris, Alexis, G. > > Repeal rule 2482, "Victory Elections" > > Create a new power-1 rule titled "Medals of Honour" > { > Medals of Honour are a destructible fixed currency tracked by the Herald. > > In the 7 days of an Agoran month, any player CAN declare emself to be > eligible for a Medal of Honour by announcement if all of the following > are > true: > > * E has made at least 1 message to a public forum in the last Agoran > month. > * Eir Karma is not below -3. > * In the last Agoran month, e has not had a Card issued to em. > > In the 7 days of an Agoran month after the first 7 days, if there are any > players who are eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald CAN, by > announcement, initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded a > Medal of Honour. E SHALL do so within the 7 days of an Agoran month after > the first 7 days. For this decision, the valid votes are all players who > are eligible f
DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report
Just a draft to make sure I haven't messed something up again. -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 8.0 and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote). ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee --- 7931* G. 3.0 Registration fix finally G. 1 sh. 7932* ATMunn, [1]1.0 A Reward for Obedience v4ATMunn 1 sh. 7933* Alexis 3.0 Ribbon Preservation Act Alexis 1 sh. 7934* 天火狐 1.0 Poetry Duel Challenge Writ 天火狐 OP [2] 7935* Trigon 1.0 Revision Limits Trigon 1 AP 7936* V.J. Rada 2.0 Print Money V.J. Rada 1 AP 7937* V.J. Rada 2.0 I Demand Faster Auctions V.J. Rada 1 AP 7938* Aris 3.0 Fix Campaign Proposals Aris1 AP 7939* V.J. Rada 1.0 Repeal the Reportor V.J. Rada 1 sh. The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: IDAuthor(s) AI Title --- pp1 G.3.0 I've never seen this done [1] Aris, Alexis, G. [2] Official Proposal, inherently pending A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value in shines (see the Treasuror's report). The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. // ID: 7931 Title: Registration fix finally Adoption index: 3.0 Author: G. Co-authors: [It looks like we have various ways for players to make money now so the re-registration bug can be fixed. Also clearly defines the verb "to register" and makes it clear that registered persons can't "re" register]. Amend Rule 869 (How to Join and Leave Agora) by replacing: Citizenship is a person switch with values Unregistered (default) and Registered, tracked by the Registrar. Changes to citizenship are secured. A registered person is a Player. A person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or prevented by the rules) register by publishing a message that indicates reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e intends to become a player at that time. A person, by registering, agrees to abide by the Rules. The Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a person to abide by any agreement without that person's willful consent. A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement. If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days. with: Citizenship is a person switch with values Unregistered (default) and Registered, tracked by the Registrar. Changes to citizenship are secured. A registered person is a Player. To "register" someone is to flip that person's Citizenship switch from Unregistered to Registered. An Unregistered person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or prevented by the rules) register by publishing a message that indicates reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e intends to become a player at that time. A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement. If e does so, e CANNOT register or be registered for 30 days. A person, by registering, agrees to abide by the Rules. The Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a person to abide by any agreement without that person's willful consent. // ID: 7932 Title: A Reward for Obedience v4 Adoption index: 1.0 Author: ATMunn Co-authors: Aris, Alexis, G. Repeal rule 2482, "Victory Elections" Create a new power-1 rule titled "Medals of Honour" { Medals of Honour are a destructible fixed currency tracked by the Herald. In the 7 days of an Agoran month, any player CAN declare emself to be eligible for a Medal of Honour by announcement if all of the following are true: * E has made at least 1 message to a public forum in the last Agoran month. * Eir Karma is not below -3. * In the last Agoran month, e has not had a Card issued to em. In the 7 days of an Agoran month after the first 7 days, if there are any players who are eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald CAN, by announcement, initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded a Medal of Honour. E SHALL do so within the 7 days of an Agoran month after the first 7 days. For this decision, the valid votes are all players who are eligible for a Medal of Honour, the vote collector is the Herald, and the voting method is instant-runoff. Upon the resolution of this decision, the Herald CAN, and SHALL in a timely fashion, award the outcome of the decision a Medal of Honour by announcement. After a player is awarded a Medal of Honour, all players who were p
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On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > To be clear, I think your proposed fix of "making lots of simple ways to > earn shinies" would work just as well as a fixed basic income, as long as > there are enough of those things from the beginning for non-officer players > to do, that they can have some level of positive equilibrium without a > huge amount of effort. One suggestion I'd really encourage is putting > together a basic simulation to figure out where equilibrium points might lie > in this game, and making sure there's no split between the "haves" and the > "have-nots" in the equilibrium. Another possible solution: make the welcome purse some kind of income-generating investment (e.g. land or similar, modified to have some kind of earning) rather than cash. Maybe everyone could have a land grant, but the rules for earning shinies from land grants can vary to have some of the diminishing return behavior you suggested earlier.
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nic Evans wrote: > On 08/31/17 16:50, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nic Evans wrote: > >>> I'm opposed to anything that doesn't scale with need. A regular payday > >>> would mostly benefit the already successful players. > > This is where I disagree, primarily. We've never had a system that didn't > > allow a base level of activity on a weekly or monthly level (proposals & > > CFJs) > > just for being a player. > > I'm not sure I see the complaint here. Under AP there is a minimum, and > in Debts you can just keep making CFJs and proposals indefinitely - you > just can't buy stamps or estates until you settle debts. So first, no complaints about the AP (other than it slows the economy down some, which is what debts is trying to fix). So the issues I see with your current debt scheme scheme are: 1. Game balance. Stamps and estates (in theory) let you earn more cash. So locking people without a standing income out of those systems exacerbates the split between have and have-nots. Related: catch-up, how long should a new player need to play before they can earn enough to be competitive with the longer-standing players? 2. Incentives. If the only way to get out of debts is to become an officer, it makes "becoming an officer" a game incentive. This leads to lots of low-effort offices, new players feeling they have to jump in and be an officer (then flaking on reports). Officers should be rewarded, sure, but it shouldn't be a basic requirement of play - we do better when the offices are taken out of duty/fun, with rewards being secondary. 3. Discourages economic activity. With no way to earn shinies, I'm holding onto my welcome package with an iron fist. 4. Discourages other game activity. If this means I make fewer proposals to hold onto those shinies, that's what I do. To be clear, I think your proposed fix of "making lots of simple ways to earn shinies" would work just as well as a fixed basic income, as long as there are enough of those things from the beginning for non-officer players to do, that they can have some level of positive equilibrium without a huge amount of effort. One suggestion I'd really encourage is putting together a basic simulation to figure out where equilibrium points might lie in this game, and making sure there's no split between the "haves" and the "have-nots" in the equilibrium. Other Idea: Economic revolution. Debtor players can start a revolt that, if successful, wipes out their debts.
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I withdraw the proposal titled Debts. On Sep 1, 2017 1:21 AM, "Aris Merchant" wrote: > nichdel, is debts being pulled? I should be releasing fairly soonish (as > in the next day or two). > > -Aris > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:30 PM Nic Evans wrote: > >> >> >> On 08/31/17 16:50, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> > >> > On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nic Evans wrote: >> >>> I'm opposed to anything that doesn't scale with need. A regular payday >> >>> would mostly benefit the already successful players. >> > This is where I disagree, primarily. We've never had a system that >> didn't >> > allow a base level of activity on a weekly or monthly level (proposals >> & CFJs) >> > just for being a player. >> >> I'm not sure I see the complaint here. Under AP there is a minimum, and >> in Debts you can just keep making CFJs and proposals indefinitely - you >> just can't buy stamps or estates until you settle debts. >> >> What I mean here is that giving X shinies to each player is a >> compounding advantage for players that are really good with shinies. >> They don't need that advantage. Thus, any free shinies should be given >> out based on need, and when a player reaches a point where they can >> efficiently use their shinies, they don't receive the bonus anymore. >> >> > >> > And officer-work, volunteer as it is, has always granted perks within >> the >> > system, and I think it's important to reward work. I'm not sure why a >> regular >> > payday is a bad thing - if accumulation is an issue, I'd suggest >> dealing with >> > it on the other side with taxes. >> > >> > I'm willing to try various systems, but don't like moving away from the >> > two principles of "everyone's allowed to have a base activity level" and >> > "officers get some rewards above that". >> > >> >> Actually, on this note maybe we should consider a monthly set of shiny >> >> rewards for minor achivements. Things like: >> >> >> >> *Authoring the most passed proposals in the last month >> >> *Judging the most CFJs in the last month >> >> *Being the director of the most used agency in the last month >> >> *Etc >> >> >> >> Ideally, things that any player could accomplish at any time. >> > An old system we had: >> > >> > You could be awarded Boons for doing good things and Albatrosses for >> doing >> > bad things. Everything from standard office-keeping to random >> occasional >> > things (like Birthday recognition) granted boons. Monthly activity >> level >> > each month was Base + Boons - Albatrosses (as earned in previous month). >> > >> > Glance through following randomly-selected ruleset for Boon to see >> range of >> > things we awarded: >> > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/ >> agora-official/2004-September/001691.html >> > >> > >> > >> >> >>
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nichdel, is debts being pulled? I should be releasing fairly soonish (as in the next day or two). -Aris On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:30 PM Nic Evans wrote: > > > On 08/31/17 16:50, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nic Evans wrote: > >>> I'm opposed to anything that doesn't scale with need. A regular payday > >>> would mostly benefit the already successful players. > > This is where I disagree, primarily. We've never had a system that > didn't > > allow a base level of activity on a weekly or monthly level (proposals & > CFJs) > > just for being a player. > > I'm not sure I see the complaint here. Under AP there is a minimum, and > in Debts you can just keep making CFJs and proposals indefinitely - you > just can't buy stamps or estates until you settle debts. > > What I mean here is that giving X shinies to each player is a > compounding advantage for players that are really good with shinies. > They don't need that advantage. Thus, any free shinies should be given > out based on need, and when a player reaches a point where they can > efficiently use their shinies, they don't receive the bonus anymore. > > > > > And officer-work, volunteer as it is, has always granted perks within the > > system, and I think it's important to reward work. I'm not sure why a > regular > > payday is a bad thing - if accumulation is an issue, I'd suggest dealing > with > > it on the other side with taxes. > > > > I'm willing to try various systems, but don't like moving away from the > > two principles of "everyone's allowed to have a base activity level" and > > "officers get some rewards above that". > > > >> Actually, on this note maybe we should consider a monthly set of shiny > >> rewards for minor achivements. Things like: > >> > >> *Authoring the most passed proposals in the last month > >> *Judging the most CFJs in the last month > >> *Being the director of the most used agency in the last month > >> *Etc > >> > >> Ideally, things that any player could accomplish at any time. > > An old system we had: > > > > You could be awarded Boons for doing good things and Albatrosses for > doing > > bad things. Everything from standard office-keeping to random occasional > > things (like Birthday recognition) granted boons. Monthly activity level > > each month was Base + Boons - Albatrosses (as earned in previous month). > > > > Glance through following randomly-selected ruleset for Boon to see range > of > > things we awarded: > > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2004-September/001691.html > > > > > > > > >
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On 08/31/17 16:50, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nic Evans wrote: >>> I'm opposed to anything that doesn't scale with need. A regular payday >>> would mostly benefit the already successful players. > This is where I disagree, primarily. We've never had a system that didn't > allow a base level of activity on a weekly or monthly level (proposals & CFJs) > just for being a player. I'm not sure I see the complaint here. Under AP there is a minimum, and in Debts you can just keep making CFJs and proposals indefinitely - you just can't buy stamps or estates until you settle debts. What I mean here is that giving X shinies to each player is a compounding advantage for players that are really good with shinies. They don't need that advantage. Thus, any free shinies should be given out based on need, and when a player reaches a point where they can efficiently use their shinies, they don't receive the bonus anymore. > > And officer-work, volunteer as it is, has always granted perks within the > system, and I think it's important to reward work. I'm not sure why a regular > payday is a bad thing - if accumulation is an issue, I'd suggest dealing with > it on the other side with taxes. > > I'm willing to try various systems, but don't like moving away from the > two principles of "everyone's allowed to have a base activity level" and > "officers get some rewards above that". > >> Actually, on this note maybe we should consider a monthly set of shiny >> rewards for minor achivements. Things like: >> >> *Authoring the most passed proposals in the last month >> *Judging the most CFJs in the last month >> *Being the director of the most used agency in the last month >> *Etc >> >> Ideally, things that any player could accomplish at any time. > An old system we had: > > You could be awarded Boons for doing good things and Albatrosses for doing > bad things. Everything from standard office-keeping to random occasional > things (like Birthday recognition) granted boons. Monthly activity level > each month was Base + Boons - Albatrosses (as earned in previous month). > > Glance through following randomly-selected ruleset for Boon to see range of > things we awarded: > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2004-September/001691.html > > > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nic Evans wrote: > > I'm opposed to anything that doesn't scale with need. A regular payday > > would mostly benefit the already successful players. This is where I disagree, primarily. We've never had a system that didn't allow a base level of activity on a weekly or monthly level (proposals & CFJs) just for being a player. And officer-work, volunteer as it is, has always granted perks within the system, and I think it's important to reward work. I'm not sure why a regular payday is a bad thing - if accumulation is an issue, I'd suggest dealing with it on the other side with taxes. I'm willing to try various systems, but don't like moving away from the two principles of "everyone's allowed to have a base activity level" and "officers get some rewards above that". > Actually, on this note maybe we should consider a monthly set of shiny > rewards for minor achivements. Things like: > > *Authoring the most passed proposals in the last month > *Judging the most CFJs in the last month > *Being the director of the most used agency in the last month > *Etc > > Ideally, things that any player could accomplish at any time. An old system we had: You could be awarded Boons for doing good things and Albatrosses for doing bad things. Everything from standard office-keeping to random occasional things (like Birthday recognition) granted boons. Monthly activity level each month was Base + Boons - Albatrosses (as earned in previous month). Glance through following randomly-selected ruleset for Boon to see range of things we awarded: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2004-September/001691.html
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On 08/31/17 16:17, Nic Evans wrote: > (I've been a bit distracted lately but I'm keeping up with conversation.) > > The current economy was designed with the idea of coupling economics > closely to productivity. Creating work costs, and resolving work pays. > It's intentionally difficult to profit without doing considerable work > successfully. I'd like to keep it mostly that way. Maybe there's more > behaviors we should be rewarding. Actually, on this note maybe we should consider a monthly set of shiny rewards for minor achivements. Things like: *Authoring the most passed proposals in the last month *Judging the most CFJs in the last month *Being the director of the most used agency in the last month *Etc Ideally, things that any player could accomplish at any time. > > But I do agree with the current criticism as well. A welcome package > isn't enough to get the economy rolling, especially for new players. > There needs to be a way to fail and bounce back. AP circumvents the > problem by reducing need for shinies, but it doesn't help new players > get into the game. Debts solves problems AP introduced, but may very > well permanently cripple anyone who makes a bad play or two. > Supplemental income is probably necessary. > > I'm opposed to anything that doesn't scale with need. A regular payday > would mostly benefit the already successful players. A bailout when a > player reaches 0 shinies would benefit clever players who purposely zero > their shinies. Overall wealth (shinies, debts, estates, and stamps) > needs to somehow be a factor to ensure that it's not abusable by players > that don't need it. > > Since stamps are easily liquified, the best solution may be a payday > only accessible to people with 0 shinies and 0 stamps. I suspect there's > ways to abuse even that (by trading stamps around and/or buying > estates), but hopefully its benefits outweigh the negatives. I'm open to > other suggestions as well. > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On 08/29/17 13:00, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Aug 29, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 29 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: IDAuthor(s) AI Title --- pp1 nichdel, o, grok, Aris 3.0 Debts pp2 nichdel 1.0 Better Accounting >>> I pend each of these proposals, using AP to do so. >> Debts is badly broken for non-Officers and I'd recommend voting Against. I >> was >> hoping to see another draft because we want to get off AP, but this debts >> draft >> is worse. > Yeah, I’m doubtful it’ll pass. Nichdel can still withdraw the proposal, and I > do plan to vote AGAINST. I just figured that since I have nothing better to > do with my AP, I’d pretend they were Spending Power and use ‘em. > > -o > (I've been a bit distracted lately but I'm keeping up with conversation.) The current economy was designed with the idea of coupling economics closely to productivity. Creating work costs, and resolving work pays. It's intentionally difficult to profit without doing considerable work successfully. I'd like to keep it mostly that way. Maybe there's more behaviors we should be rewarding. But I do agree with the current criticism as well. A welcome package isn't enough to get the economy rolling, especially for new players. There needs to be a way to fail and bounce back. AP circumvents the problem by reducing need for shinies, but it doesn't help new players get into the game. Debts solves problems AP introduced, but may very well permanently cripple anyone who makes a bad play or two. Supplemental income is probably necessary. I'm opposed to anything that doesn't scale with need. A regular payday would mostly benefit the already successful players. A bailout when a player reaches 0 shinies would benefit clever players who purposely zero their shinies. Overall wealth (shinies, debts, estates, and stamps) needs to somehow be a factor to ensure that it's not abusable by players that don't need it. Since stamps are easily liquified, the best solution may be a payday only accessible to people with 0 shinies and 0 stamps. I suspect there's ways to abuse even that (by trading stamps around and/or buying estates), but hopefully its benefits outweigh the negatives. I'm open to other suggestions as well. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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> On Aug 29, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Tue, 29 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> IDAuthor(s) AI Title >>> --- >>> pp1 nichdel, o, grok, Aris 3.0 Debts >>> pp2 nichdel 1.0 Better Accounting >> >> I pend each of these proposals, using AP to do so. > > Debts is badly broken for non-Officers and I'd recommend voting Against. I > was > hoping to see another draft because we want to get off AP, but this debts > draft > is worse. Yeah, I’m doubtful it’ll pass. Nichdel can still withdraw the proposal, and I do plan to vote AGAINST. I just figured that since I have nothing better to do with my AP, I’d pretend they were Spending Power and use ‘em. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > IDAuthor(s) AI Title > > --- > > pp1 nichdel, o, grok, Aris 3.0 Debts > > pp2 nichdel 1.0 Better Accounting > > I pend each of these proposals, using AP to do so. Debts is badly broken for non-Officers and I'd recommend voting Against. I was hoping to see another draft because we want to get off AP, but this debts draft is worse.
DIS: Promotor draft report
I'm trying something new with my draft this week. I have attempted pleading, and begging and the like, and my previous reports have still had occasional errors. I check all my reports numerous times, and then do this whole drafting thing. Still occasional errors. So this week, I decided to threaten my report. I have already impressed upon it the seriousness of its accuracy. I here further inform it that it is expected to be entirely and completely correct and complete in every respect. Or else. For your amusement, -Aris I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 2.0 and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote). ID Author(s) AI Title Pender Pend fee --- 7872* o 2.0 Estate Auction Cleanup o 1 AP 7873* o, babelian 2.0 Agoracultureo 1 AP 7874* o 2.0 Shorter Apologies o 3 sh. The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: IDAuthor(s) AI Title --- pp1 nichdel, o, grok, Aris 3.0 Debts pp2 nichdel 1.0 Better Accounting pp3 G. 1.0 The Return of Fear pp4 G. 1.0 Pay the Arbitor Legend: * : Proposal is pending. The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. // ID: 7872 Title: Estate Auction Cleanup Adoption index: 2.0 Author: o Co-authors: In Rule 2491 ("Estate Auctions"), replace the second paragraph with: During an auction, any player may bid a number of Shinies on eir own behalf by announcement, or on behalf of any Organization for which such a bid is Appropriate by announcement, provided the bid is higher than any previously-placed bid in the same auction. If, at the end of the auction, there is a single highest bid, then that player or Organization wins the auction. The player who placed the winning bid CAN cause Agora to transfer the auctioned Estate to the winner by announcement, by paying Agora the amount of the bid, or by causing the winning Organization to pay Agora the amount of the bid. E SHALL do so in a timely fashion. // ID: 7873 Title: Agoraculture Adoption index: 2.0 Author: o Co-authors: babelian Enact a new rule, with power 1.0, titled "Farm Rate", with the following text: The Farm Rate is a natural singleton switch, tracked by the Agronomist. Set the Farm Rate to 20. Enact a new rule, with power 2.0, titled "Agoraculture", with the following text: Each Estate has a Farm switch, tracked by the Agronomist, with values "farmed" and "unfarmed", defaulting to "unfarmed". Changes to Farm switches are secured. An Estate whose Farm switch is "farmed" is a Farm, and its owner is the Farmer of that Estate. In the first week of an Agoran month, the owner of an unfarmed Estate MAY flip its Farm switch to "farmed" by announcement, if e pays Agora a number of shinies equal to the Farm Rate. In the first week of an Agoran month, the owner of a Farm MAY till the farm by announcement, if e pays Agora a number of shinies equal to the Farm Rate. If the Farmer of an Estate does not till it within the first week of an Agoran month, the Agronomist CAN flip its Farm switch to "unfarmed" by announcement, and SHALL do so in a timely fashion. When an Estate is transferred to Agora or to an Organization, its Farm switch is set to "unfarmed" immediately afterwards. Enact a new rule, with power 2.0, titled "Comestibles", with the following text: A Comestible is a type of liquid asset, which can be owned by players. Creating Comestibles is secured. The recordkeepor of Comestibles is the Agronomist. The Farmer of an Estate may offer Comestibles by announcement, naming a number of Comestibles offered and a price per Comestible in Shinies. A player CANNOT offer more Comestibles in a month than 10 times the number of Farms e owns. The Farmer is ENCOURAGED to name the kind of Comestibles on offer after a plant, vegetable, grain, livestock, or other farm good. A player other than the offering Farmer may accept a Comestibles offer by announcement to create that number of Comestibles in eir possession, if e pays the offering Farmer the price per Comestible named in the offer times the number of Comestbiles offered. The Value of a Comestible created this way is equal to the price per Comestible offered by the Farmer. An offer expires at the end of the Agoran month in which it is made. Rules to the contrary no