Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-14 Thread Nicholas Evans
It'd also encourage some interesting attempts at shorthand. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:42 PM, ATMunn wrote: > Haven't read the rest of the discussion, but what if there was a rule that > maybe, say, allowed a free pend every week, as long as the proposal is > under some character count. It might

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-14 Thread ATMunn
Haven't read the rest of the discussion, but what if there was a rule that maybe, say, allowed a free pend every week, as long as the proposal is under some character count. It might need some tweaking, but it could work. On 2/14/2018 6:21 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: I find that, when economic lim

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-14 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 17:36 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I was definitely thinking that once the shinies -> coins stabilized > we might tweak things like this! > > I went back to a 2002 ruleset to see how we coped with a low supply: OK, what about something like this: proposal supply is limited (b

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 15:24 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Yes, expensive proposals are a paradigm shift to what you're used to. > > > > We played like that (even more expensive, actually) from 2001-2005 or > > so. It worked fine. I would like to try it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-14 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 15:24 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Yes, expensive proposals are a paradigm shift to what you're used to. > > We played like that (even more expensive, actually) from 2001-2005 or > so. It worked fine. I would like to try it again and not have it > sabotaged out of the gate.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
Yes, expensive proposals are a paradigm shift to what you're used to. We played like that (even more expensive, actually) from 2001-2005 or so. It worked fine. I would like to try it again and not have it sabotaged out of the gate. So I won't argue that it breaks things or doesn't. It's a ga

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote: > That still has the problem of delaying proposals by an additional 4 days, > which is the exact opposite of what we want to do with controversial ones. Simple alternative: Every Office gets one Official proposal (or 1 free pend) per week. SHOULD be pri

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-14 Thread Alexis Hunt
I find that, when economic limits are put on proposals, inevitably it becomes less "why do I need to pay to propose" and more "why do I need to pay to fix this typo". It's true that I did pay in this case, but pending a proposal is very expensive right now (non-officeholders can only propose 3/mont

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote: > That still has the problem of delaying proposals by an additional 4 days, > which is the exact opposite of what we want to do with controversial ones. I feel like review periods are good things, especially when you're specifically asking Agora if the pro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-14 Thread Alexis Hunt
That still has the problem of delaying proposals by an additional 4 days, which is the exact opposite of what we want to do with controversial ones. On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 17:44, Nicholas Evans wrote: > There's always Agoran Consent. We can make it a trivial ratio, such as 1.1. > > On Tue, Feb

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-14 Thread Nicholas Evans
There's always Agoran Consent. We can make it a trivial ratio, such as 1.1. On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > Sounds fine to me. > > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 at 22:48, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > Last time we did this, 3 players created a contract so that anyone > > could

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-13 Thread Alexis Hunt
Sounds fine to me. On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 at 22:48, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Last time we did this, 3 players created a contract so that anyone > could act on their behalf to get the support automatically. This > needs objections or the proposal Economy is completely devalued. > > On Wed, 14 Feb

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
Last time we did this, 3 players created a contract so that anyone could act on their behalf to get the support automatically. This needs objections or the proposal Economy is completely devalued. On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I think that's a lot better for what its trying to do a

DIS: Re: BUS: Without Objection is Too Harsh

2018-02-13 Thread Cuddle Beam
I think that's a lot better for what its trying to do actually. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 4:07 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > Proposal: Supportive Proposals (AI=1) > {{{ > Amend Rule 2445 by replacing "Without Objection" with "With 3 Support". > }}} > > This is intended in part to make the cycle faster,