Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9182-9183

2024-09-17 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/17/24 4:52 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: I don't like the perverse incentives that crystals create. If someone else writes a proposal that touches a lot of rules, then I'm incentivized to vote AGAINST that proposal for economic reasons, even if it's good. I try not to do that,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9182-9183

2024-09-17 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 9/17/24 16:48, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 3:23 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >>> 9183~ snail 1.0 Creation Crystals >> AGAINST. I continue to not like crystals. >> >> > Do you have any sug

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9159-9167

2024-08-20 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-08-20 at 16:47 -0400, Mischief via agora-discussion wrote: > On 8/20/24 8:49 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > > > 9162~   Mischief    1.0   Shameless Bribery 2A > > AGAINST: I am philosophically opposed to bribing people to pass > > proposals using assets/rewards t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9159-9167

2024-08-20 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2024-08-20 14:36]: > On 8/20/24 13:40, juan via agora-business wrote: > > 9162: At the flip of a coin, FOR if heads, AGAINST if tails. > > 9163: At the flip of a coin, FOR if heads, AGAINST if tails. > > 9164: At the flip of a coin, FOR if heads, AGAINST if tails. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9134-9141

2024-07-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 7/1/24 11:25, Agora amdw42 via agora-discussion wrote: > I vote as follows: >> 9134~ snail, ais523 1.0 It takes two > FOR >> 9135~ snail 1.0 Ammo Store > AGAINST >> 9136~ Janet, Kate, Mischief 3.0 Sorting out sortition > FOR >> 9137~ Quadrantal, Aris

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9125-9133

2024-06-29 Thread Quadrantal via agora-discussion
On 2024-06-29 02:37, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: Can I ask why you prefer "last"? Mostly just vibes, if I'm honest. I find "past" tends to disrupt my flow of reading. In my opinion, this just makes searching the rules for relative dates easier, as "last" is already used to inst

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9114-9119

2024-06-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/1/24 17:25, Mischief via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/1/24 3:57 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > >> Actually, the fee-based actions rules don't have any special cases for >> negative values, and you can't destroy a negative number of assets. So I >> think if the required fee is neg

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9114-9119

2024-05-26 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
... whoops On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 11:43, 4st nomic <4st.no...@gmail.com> wrote: > > sorry Juniper, this was to DIS, make sure you send votes to BUS > > On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 6:42 PM Matt Smyth via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> I vote as follows: >> >> > >> > > 9114~ snail

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9114-9119

2024-05-25 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
sorry Juniper, this was to DIS, make sure you send votes to BUS On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 6:42 PM Matt Smyth via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I vote as follows: > > > > > > 9114~ snail 2.0 Grind Stone > > > FOR > > > > > > > > > > 9115~ snail

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9096-9101

2024-04-21 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/21/24 22:43, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: >> Spending Stone: As the Stonemason, I don't want to incentivize massive >> numbers of wieldings in the same message because that increases my >> workload. >> > This one doesn't make sense, the stones would probably be wielded anyways, > a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9096-9101

2024-04-21 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 9:10 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/21/24 18:04, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 3:12 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > >>> 9099~ sna

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9096-9101

2024-04-21 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/21/24 18:04, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 3:12 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >>> 9099~ snail 2.0 Quantum Superstone >> AGAINST >> >> >>> 9100~ snail 2.0 Spending Sto

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9087-9095

2024-04-20 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/18/24 08:26, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > I think crystal poaching is fine: it's competitive teamwork! I've poached > Janet for example. Perhaps coauthors need to be rewarded also? I mean, I wasn't thrilled by that. I think it's reasonable to want to reap the rewards from your own

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9087-9095

2024-04-18 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
I think crystal poaching is fine: it's competitive teamwork! I've poached Janet for example. Perhaps coauthors need to be rewarded also? On Wed, Apr 17, 2024, 11:01 PM secretsnail9 via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > 9094~ snail, R. Lee 1.0 More inst

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9068-9069

2024-03-04 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 3/3/24 17:22, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Would this perhaps allow it to merit a non-AGAINST vote? My fingers are > crossed. I'll think about it, but I'm still concerned about the CFJ load. -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9068-9069

2024-03-03 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Would this perhaps allow it to merit a non-AGAINST vote? My fingers are crossed. On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 10:32 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 3/3/24 16:30, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > > Janet wrote: > > > >> On 3/3/24 16:24, Edward

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9068-9069

2024-03-03 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 3/3/24 16:30, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet wrote: > >> On 3/3/24 16:24, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: 9068~ Yachay 1.0 Agora of Empires >>> FOR (without 2 objections is a reasonable guard against trivial >>> wins, other issues can be ironed out

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9053-9057

2024-01-31 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 3:03 PM Jimmy via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I vote FOR 9053 > I think this needs to be sent to agora-business? (yes the default "reply" option changes replies to agora-discussion) -- 4ˢᵗ Uncertified Bad Idea Generator

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9053-9057

2024-01-30 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
> On Jan 30, 2024, at 8:43 PM, nix via agora-discussion > wrote: > On 1/30/24 16:54, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: >> AGAINST (allows for officers to put officework on other players without >> their consent, also might be broken) > > The first is fixable after it passes. What do you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9046-9048

2023-12-17 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2023-12-17 at 13:05 -0800, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Recommendation: As you suggested on Discord, have the Assessor > explicitly announce the things being attested. Then submit a new > proposal to fix the rule bug. I'm not convinced that actually works – it seems more lik

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9035-9039

2023-11-28 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 11:08 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 11/28/23 08:56, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > Janet Cobb via agora-business [2023-11-27 11:38]: > >> Consider a referendum on an AI 3 proposal A. Also consider a Rule X, > >> powe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9035-9039

2023-11-28 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 11/28/23 08:56, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet Cobb via agora-business [2023-11-27 11:38]: >> Consider a referendum on an AI 3 proposal A. Also consider a Rule X, >> power 2: "If it is greater than 1, The AI of the referendum on proposal >> A is immediately set to 1." >> >> Rule X and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8990-9001

2023-06-05 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/5/23 18:38, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-06-05 17:07]: >> Which specific stamp report? This makes it so that all stamp reports >> would have ratified correctly, so every week there was a well-known >> point, as intended. Picking one to ratify either

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8990-9001

2023-06-05 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/5/23 16:57, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-06-05 16:48]: >> On 6/5/23 16:45, juan via agora-discussion wrote: >>> No, it's not. It's a blanket assertion that “everything” is as it >>> would have been. We don't know that. Maybe the different bytes store

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8990-9001

2023-06-05 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-06-05 17:07]: > Which specific stamp report? This makes it so that all stamp reports > would have ratified correctly, so every week there was a well-known > point, as intended. Picking one to ratify either doesn't actually make > the present gamestate more cert

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8990-9001

2023-06-05 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/5/23 16:57, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-06-05 16:48]: >> On 6/5/23 16:45, juan via agora-discussion wrote: >>> No, it's not. It's a blanket assertion that “everything” is as it >>> would have been. We don't know that. Maybe the different bytes store

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8990-9001

2023-06-05 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-06-05 16:48]: > On 6/5/23 16:45, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > No, it's not. It's a blanket assertion that “everything” is as it > > would have been. We don't know that. Maybe the different bytes stored on > > the server changed the CPU heat emission jus

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8990-9001

2023-06-05 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/5/23 16:45, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet Cobb via agora-business [2023-06-05 15:28]: >> On 6/5/23 13:58, juan via agora-business wrote: >>> 8998: AGAINST. Quite literally impossible to determine. Also, stamp reports >>> ratify >> ais523 got it right: >> 8998*   Janet 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8980-8984

2023-05-19 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 14:21, Beokirby via agora-discussion wrote: On 2023-05-18 10:56 PM, Beokirby via agora-business wrote: On 2023-05-18 10:41 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: ID Author(s)   AI    Title ---

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8980-8984

2023-05-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 15:21, Beokirby via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2023-05-18 10:56 PM, Beokirby via agora-business wrote: >> On 2023-05-18 10:41 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: >>> ID  Author(s)   AI    Title >>> -

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8972-8979

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 10:41 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/19/23 12:26, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote > >> 8978* Janet 3.0 Authorized initiation > > FOR, although it doesn't actually solve the issue that brought this > > up, as it doesn't ratify a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8972-8979

2023-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 10:17 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > Also why is radiance at power 1.5 in the first place? > Was a minor design choice: because (in drafting points) I thought the win condition itself (100+ points) should be a trifle more protected than the award conditions.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8952-8955

2023-04-15 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/15/23 13:39, nix via agora-discussion wrote: If you want to change this I recommend writing a proposal to do so. Right now it feels more like taking hostages than negotiating. Ope! Disregard, didn't see the proposal introduced after. -- nix Prime Minister, Herald, Collector

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8946-8951

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I didn't notice that and will use conditionals to avoid situations like this On Tuesday, April 11, 2023, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/11/23 09:27, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > >> 8949* Janet 3.0 Might as wel

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8946-8951

2023-04-10 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/10/23 15:42, juan via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Anyhow, I change my vote on 8949 to FOR. >>> >>> P.S.: how scammable? >>> >> I could make a pledge to do so with a time limit of 1 second. > I mean… > >> Allowing a pledge to expire without carrying out an action one pledged >> to do in it cons

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8946-8951

2023-04-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 12:36 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > Wow, ok. Just tried to be cheeky and make a fun little action. Note that > > I also want forgiveness on a missed deadline. Just seemed fair. > > > Sorry, no rebuke implied. And I admittedly didn't check whether you had > ea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8946-8951

2023-04-10 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-04-10 15:36]: > On 4/10/23 15:32, juan via agora-business wrote: > > Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-04-10 15:25]: > >> On 4/10/23 15:06, juan via agora-business wrote: > 8949* Janet 3.0 Might as well ask? > >>> Conditional: FOR

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8946-8951

2023-04-10 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/10/23 15:32, juan via agora-business wrote: > Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-04-10 15:25]: >> On 4/10/23 15:06, juan via agora-business wrote: 8949* Janet 3.0 Might as well ask? >>> Conditional: FOR if any of the following conditions are met: >>> >>> - Janet h

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8946-8951

2023-04-10 Thread juan via agora-discussion
secretsnail9 via agora-discussion [2023-04-10 14:10]: > I recommend tagging your proposals with "[Proposal]". I almost missed > G.'s proposal because it wasn't tagged, and once I got it I thought I had > them all, but apparently not. It's my bad for missing (@Promotor) though, > even if [Proposal]

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8946-8951

2023-04-10 Thread juan via agora-discussion
nix via agora-discussion [2023-04-10 14:11]: > On 4/10/23 14:06, juan via agora-business wrote: > > > 8950~ nix 2.0 Major Stamp Reform > > AGAINST. Don't touch my stamps. > > > > Ugh, I give up. I don't think there's a good consensus on what kind of play > people want righ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8946-8951

2023-04-10 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2023-04-10 at 09:11 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 4/10/23 07:40, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > AGAINST - I agree with most of this, but halving stamps every month is > > too frequent, and likely going to lead to very uninteresting gameplay > > (I suspect there isn't eno

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8940-8945

2023-04-02 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/2/23 15:32, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > >>> 8945~ snail 2.0 Going up >> AGAINST - what a horribly overpowered idea, rule power shouldn't be >> gamefied by ephemera. > It's fine if it's overpowered, it's quarterly! (Glances at the recursion > stone) > > But

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8934-8936

2023-03-20 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
man. 20. mar. 2023 kl. 10:06 skrev Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org>: > On 3/20/23 13:03, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > > Sorry, I vote PRESENT on 8935 > > > You must explicitly "change" your vote. > > -- > Janet Cobb > > Assessor, Mad Engineer, Rulekeep

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8934-8936

2023-03-20 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I change my vote to PRESENT on 8935 On Monday, March 20, 2023, Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 3/20/23 13:03, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > > Sorry, I vote PRESENT on 8935 > > > You must explicitly "change" your vote. > > -- > Janet Cobb >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8878-8884

2023-01-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/1/23 20:07, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 6:38 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 1/1/23 19:33, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: >>> 8879~ Janet 2.0 Mason's Stone buff >>> AGAINS

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8878-8884

2023-01-01 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 6:38 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 1/1/23 19:33, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > > 8879~ Janet 2.0 Mason's Stone buff > > AGAINST > > > > > > Could I ask what you think might be a reasonable e

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8861 and 8862

2022-10-23 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 10/23/22 19:31, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > My first thought is that the Recursion Stone protecting itself every > month probably isn't interesting gameplay. Good note, I'll look at it. > My second thought is that Stones are the sort of thing that only really > works when the rest of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8861 and 8862

2022-10-23 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 19:53 +, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 10/23/22 14:30, ziproot via agora-business wrote: > > I vote AGAINST (birds are no longer in the game and should not be > > referenced if we're updating stones, and the power stone has been > > confirmed via CFJs 3396 and 3997

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8700-8716

2022-07-12 Thread juan via agora-discussion
> I believe these votes don't count? The voting period ended because quorum was > met and a week had passed since distribution. (Note G. did vote against > everything). > > -- > secretsnail Oh well, don't count them then. I'm too lazy and confused to check the deadlines. -- juan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8696-8699

2022-06-21 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/21/22 17:16, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/21/2022 10:34 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Tue, 2022-06-21 at 08:19 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>> I don't agree with this interpretation. There are quite a few examples of >>> using "wrong" nickna

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8696-8699

2022-06-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/21/2022 10:34 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 2022-06-21 at 08:19 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> I don't agree with this interpretation. There are quite a few examples of >> using "wrong" nicknames if the person is clear from context (it's ancient >> so I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8696-8699

2022-06-21 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2022-06-21 at 08:19 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > I don't agree with this interpretation. There are quite a few examples of > using "wrong" nicknames if the person is clear from context (it's ancient > so I'm not citing this as strict precedent, but CFJ 1361 is an exampl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8683-8695

2022-06-17 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 6/17/22 14:46, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > * Grant a blot to a specified person (or emself if no one is > specified). When a player does so, eir Charge is increased by > 1. > > * Grant an Iridium Star to a specified person (or emself if no >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8657-8664

2022-03-27 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 3/27/22 19:04, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > An alternative idea, which I had more recently: a contract can specify > itself as an economic contract, a player can join at most one economic > contract at a time, and the three economic contracts with the most > members are granted a regular

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8655-8656

2022-03-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/20/2022 6:58 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 3/20/22 20:53, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mon, 2022-03-21 at 01:48 +, nix via agora-business wrote: >>> On 3/20/22 05:03, Aspen via agora-official wrote: ID Author(s) AITitle

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8655-8656

2022-03-20 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 3/20/22 20:53, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, 2022-03-21 at 01:48 +, nix via agora-business wrote: >> On 3/20/22 05:03, Aspen via agora-official wrote: >>> ID Author(s) AITitle >>> --

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8607-8629

2021-10-05 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2021-10-05 at 14:43 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 10/5/2021 2:18 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > One other thing to note is that golfed rule text can be quite hard to > > read and understand, which might not be great for easing new players > > into the game; b

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8596-8601

2021-08-22 Thread Sarah S. via agora-discussion
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 1:34 PM Aspen via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 7:09 PM Sarah S. via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I vote as follows > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:54 AM Aspen via agora-official < >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8574-8592

2021-06-17 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/18/21 12:39 AM, Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote: > Me too NttPF -- Jason Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8532-8537

2021-01-31 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 01:26:32PM -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/29/2021 5:55 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/29/21 7:52 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > >> The issue is a white ribbon scam. The pet argument (that your pet can > >> consent to play a gam

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8532-8537

2021-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/29/2021 5:55 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/29/21 7:52 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: >> The issue is a white ribbon scam. The pet argument (that your pet can >> consent to play a game with you) allows a single individual to generate >> a new white ribbon, which is extremely

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8532-8537

2021-01-29 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 1/29/21 7:52 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > The issue is a white ribbon scam. The pet argument (that your pet can > consent to play a game with you) allows a single individual to generate > a new white ribbon, which is extremely valuable. Working with other > Agorans means you have to neg

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8532-8537

2021-01-29 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 1/28/21 11:44 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >>> 8535* Aris, nix, G., Gaelan 3.0 We the People >> PRESENT due to a potential issue with persons including pets that you >> could argue can choose to play with you as a group. I'm debating AGAINST > ... >> -- >> nix > I'm not s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8527-8529

2021-01-03 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 3:28 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/3/21 6:26 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > If you're going to vote against this, it's IMO your responsibility to > > make sure this gets cleaned up reasonably soon. Dictatorships are, by > > tradition, te

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8523

2020-11-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 05:41:35PM +, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 11/12/20 11:19 AM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > > (I'm not sure where "over 1000" coins comes from; I get 50 + 4 * (5 > > boatlods + 50) = 330 in a month with 4 weeks. But that's still a lot.) > 50 boatloads

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8478-8487

2020-08-02 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 8/2/20 6:35 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 3:29 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business > wrote: >> I vote as follows: >> >>> 8478*^ Jason, nix, G. 3.0 another talismans fix >> FOR >> >> >>> 8479j^ nix, Aris, PSS, ATMunn 1.7 Competitive Finger

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-18 Thread nixnull+agora--- via agora-discussion
On Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:23:34 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > [Did I get this remotely right? I can't tell what the role your > assessment order played in this.] If I remember correctly, at the time assessment order directly determined quorum and it would've failed quorum w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-17 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 7/17/2020 12:34 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 7/12/2020 11:24 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: 8476e^  ATMunn, [1]  1.0   Contract charities AGAINST R. Lee, I would kindly ask you to withdraw this vote. If you do so, I can get an orange ribbon for this proposal a

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2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 10:13 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 21:23 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> Here are the votes withdrawals, 2 seconds before the voting period >> ended: > > Did I really cut it that close? My usual aim for "before the thing > happen

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2020-07-12 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 21:23 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Here are the votes withdrawals, 2 seconds before the voting period > ended: Did I really cut it that close? My usual aim for "before the thing happens" timing scams is at least 2 minutes, to allow for potential email dela

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2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 9:02 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:09 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> Scam, dunno details, nch is listed as conspirator, it involved Rule 2492? >> 2017-06-28 Quazie +K > > Scam where I as As

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:09 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > Scam, dunno details, nch is listed as conspirator, it involved Rule 2492? > 2017-06-28 Quazie +K Scam where I as Assessor manipulated the assessment order in order to give ais523 and

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2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 7:40 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >> For the most part, this has turned into "when there's enough player >> turnover that a majority don't have black ribbons, pass an AI-1 proposal". >> So most defense for such proposals has been token at best (e.g. in the >> current r

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2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
For the most part, this has turned into "when there's enough player turnover that a majority don't have black ribbons, pass an AI-1 proposal". So most defense for such proposals has been token at best (e.g. in the current rules I doubt anyone thinks it's worth spending Extra Votes to stop it).

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2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 2:10 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 13:32 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: >> That presumes that I think bribery proposals are legitimate. I don't, >> but if the rules explicitly make it so there's no legitimate way to >> do something one is clearly intende

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2020-07-12 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 13:32 -0700, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > That presumes that I think bribery proposals are legitimate. I don't, > but if the rules explicitly make it so there's no legitimate way to > do something one is clearly intended to do, I suppose that makes it > legitima

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2020-07-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 1:28 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 7/12/2020 1:13 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > I vote as follows: > > > >> ID Author(s)AITitle > >> > -

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472

2020-06-30 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/30/20 8:03 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/30/20 9:02 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/30/20 7:57 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> On 6/30/20 8:52 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/30/20 5:47 A

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2020-06-30 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On 6/30/20 9:02 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/30/20 7:57 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On 6/30/20 8:52 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 6/30/20 5:47 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business >>> wrote: AGAINST (I'd be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472

2020-06-30 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/30/20 7:57 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/30/20 8:52 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/30/20 5:47 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business >> wrote: >>> AGAINST (I'd be supportive of this if it didn't get rid of Certifiable >>> P

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2020-06-30 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On 6/30/20 8:52 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/30/20 5:47 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business > wrote: >> AGAINST (I'd be supportive of this if it didn't get rid of Certifiable >> Patches) > > Is the 2+X support mechanism not a sufficient replacement? Why not? > N

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8405-8408

2020-06-09 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
oh gosh no On 6/8/2020 9:05 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 5:56 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: [Juggling three distributions in my mind at once pls send help] My official efficiency is rapidly increasing. Thoughts on the idea of moving to da

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-08 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 12:07 AM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 3:34 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-business wrote: > > > > FOR; Aris, I think there is an error here because the Adoption index > > is listed diff

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2020-06-07 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 2:12 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/7/2020 8:55 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > Just conceptually switches could be replaced with variables. Most of our > > player-base probably has a passing understanding of co

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2020-06-07 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
Aris, I for one really appreciate what you've done for Agora. I admire the time and effort you have put into the game over the years. I, too, thought you were much older than you are just due to your maturity. I've thought of you as a staple of the community since I joined. Serious congrats on

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2020-06-07 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 2020-06-07 13:02, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: (1) use natural switches - current solution, bad metaphor; (2) use currencies - I think that's a bad fit, we don't really want to treat these quantities as tradable objects and we want to include negative karma, so with an even "worse"

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2020-06-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> (1) use natural switches - current solution, bad metaphor; > > (2) use currencies - I think that's a bad fit, we don't really want to > treat these quantities as tradable objects and we want to include negative > karma, so with an even "worse" metaphor IMO; > > (3) invent something new in paralle

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2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 9:00 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> On 6/7/2020 8:45 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote:>>> How about we just write it out? "Karma is an integer value assigned to>> persons and Agora and tracked by the Herald in eir weekly report, which>> self-ratifies. Karma defaults to zero." Just one

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2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:05:54 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/7/2020 8:55 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > Just conceptually switches could be replaced with variables. Most of our > > player-base probably has a passing understanding of computer variables, > > and >

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2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:55 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > Just conceptually switches could be replaced with variables. Most of our > player-base probably has a passing understanding of computer variables, and > they fairly intuitively branch out into booleans, lists, integers and others. > Ok, j

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:45 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: >> How about we just write it out? "Karma is an integer value assigned to > persons and Agora and tracked by the Herald in eir weekly report, which > self-ratifies. Karma defaults to zero." > Compare to current rules text "Karma is a person

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2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:45:03 AM CDT Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 1:40 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/7/2020 8:25 AM, nch wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:03:32 AM CDT Rebecca wrote: > > >> On Sun,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:39:38 AM CDT you wrote: > On 6/7/2020 8:25 AM, nch wrote: > > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:03:32 AM CDT Rebecca wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > >>> On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca wrote: > I personally greatly prefer Referendum (and voted f

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2020-06-07 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:40 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/7/2020 8:25 AM, nch wrote: > > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:03:32 AM CDT Rebecca wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > >>> On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca wrote: > I personally greatly pref

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2020-06-07 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 1:40 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/7/2020 8:25 AM, nch wrote: > > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:03:32 AM CDT Rebecca wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > >>> On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:25 AM, nch wrote: > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:03:32 AM CDT Rebecca wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca wrote: I personally greatly prefer Referendum (and voted for it) because it's intuitiuve. The rules need less in

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2020-06-07 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:37 AM nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:24:20 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 6/7/2020 8:05 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/7/20 10:29 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > > >> One partial

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2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:24:20 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/7/2020 8:05 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/7/20 10:29 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > >> One partial fix that can be implemented right now, without any ruleset > >> changes, wou

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2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:05 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/7/20 10:29 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: >> One partial fix that can be implemented right now, without any ruleset >> changes, would be a change in the standard method for AGAINST votes aimed at >> denying side effe

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2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:03:32 AM CDT Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > > I personally greatly prefer Referendum (and

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