RE: client timing out

2001-05-17 Thread Mair, Wolfgang
Title: client timing out Hi, the amandad on the client host ist probably not running. According to the system you use you have to enter something like the following: /etc/services: amanda 10080/udp amandaidx 10082/tcp amidxtape 10083/tcp /etc/inetd.conf: amanda dgram udp wait amanda

Re: oh oh...

2001-05-17 Thread Eric Veldhuyzen
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 09:54:20PM -0500, John R. Jackson wrote: [...] Or you could switch to GNU tar (but check the mailing list for the issues that brings up). I would advise that. I really, really don't trust dump. You might also make sure you're up to date on dump version. A lot of

Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Eric Veldhuyzen
Hi, I just saw that someone had problems with dump and Linux. This made me remember an posting from Linux Torvalds of a few weeks back which I think anyone still using dump with Linux should read: http://www.lwn.net/2001/0503/a/lt-dump.php3 Summary: Dump was a stupid program in the first

amandad: error receiving message: Connection refused

2001-05-17 Thread Mirek
Hello ! I have a amanda server wich backups 5 - 10 clients over a firewall (NAT) sometimes backup works but sometimes i get messages like this amdump: setting up estimates for asta:hda2 asta:hda2 overdue 421 days for level 0 setup_estimate: asta:hda2: command 0, options: last_level 1

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Jonathan Dill
Hi Eric, You may want to take a look through the list archives at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amanda-users/ This subject has already been hashed and rehashed to death on just about every mailing list that I subscribe to including this one. I'm planning to migrate to SGI XFS on Linux--SGI

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Harri Haataja
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Jonathan Dill wrote: I'm planning to migrate to SGI XFS on Linux--SGI has released an installer CD for Red Hat 7.1 which can make XFS filesystems. XFS is a journaled filesystem, and it can be run over RAID unlike ext3 which had problems with RAID on 2.2 kernel. You can

switch to tar

2001-05-17 Thread moritz . winterberg
Hi, I' am using amanda 2.4.2p2 for quite some weeks without any problems. Now I want to switch from using dump program to using gnutar instead. The only thing I did was to add an entry to my dumptype definition: define dumptype always-full { global program GNUTAR priority high dumpcycle 0 }

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Anthony A. D. Talltree
Summary: Dump was a stupid program in the first place. Leave it behind. What it really means: Linux is a toy system and rather than fix our design flaws we'll play sour grapes.

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Dan Wilder
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:51:09AM -0700, Anthony A. D. Talltree wrote: Summary: Dump was a stupid program in the first place. Leave it behind. What it really means: Linux is a toy system and rather than fix our design flaws we'll play sour grapes. Yikes! A troll! --

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Anthony A. D. Talltree
Yikes! A troll! Nope, just a naked emperor.

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Christoph Scheeder
Anthony A. D. Talltree schrieb: Summary: Dump was a stupid program in the first place. Leave it behind. What it really means: Linux is a toy system and rather than fix our design flaws we'll play sour grapes. wrong. what it realy means is: dont use a loaded rifle as a walkingstick,

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Anthony A. D. Talltree
Dump bypasses the filesystemlevel to access the data and therefor only works reliable if all caches are flushed to disk. This is only garanteed if the filesystem is unmounted or at least mounted read-only. Yes, I know. I learned that 15 years ago. But this is not a problem of linux, it's a

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread C. Chan
Also Sprach Dan Wilder: On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:51:09AM -0700, Anthony A. D. Talltree wrote: Summary: Dump was a stupid program in the first place. Leave it behind. What it really means: Linux is a toy system and rather than fix our design flaws we'll play sour grapes. Yikes!

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread C. Chan
Also Sprach Anthony A. D. Talltree: Yikes! A troll! Nope, just a naked emperor. No, a nakked emperor penguin. -- C. Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key.

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Thu, 17 May 2001 at 11:09am, C. Chan wrote I made some backups with Amanda using GNU tar and xfsdump and the recovery under both was consistent. I followed suggestions to remove ext2 dump so Amanda would detect xfsdump and recompiled, but I find this rather inelegant. I plan to make a JFS

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Thu, 17 May 2001 at 8:50am, Anthony A. D. Talltree wrote Yikes! A troll! Nope, just a naked emperor. This Needs To Stop. Now. I have had enough of anti-Linux flamefests, and I especially do not want to see one on a mailing list with one of the hightest SNRs I've ever seen. If you want

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Ron Stanonik
Sorry for the newbie question, but how can tar be configured so that after restoring a full and an incremental the filesystem has exactly the files at the time of the incremental, not any files which were present during the full but removed before the incremental. Thanks, Ron Stanonik [EMAIL

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On May 17, 2001, Ron Stanonik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the newbie question, but how can tar be configured so that after restoring a full and an incremental the filesystem has exactly the files at the time of the incremental, not any files which were present during the full but

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On May 17, 2001, C. Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I followed suggestions to remove ext2 dump so Amanda would detect xfsdump and recompiled, but I find this rather inelegant. What is inelegant? Removing ext2 dump? You didn't have to do that. You only need xfsdump available at configure time

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On May 17, 2001, Anthony A. D. Talltree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But this is not a problem of linux, it's a problem of dump. Yeah yeah yeah. We've all heard that a million times before, and yet on real systems we've been happily using dump for years without consequences. You've been lucky

Re: switch to tar

2001-05-17 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On May 17, 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: could it be possible, that amanda can't overwrite tapes with tar that have been previously written with dump ? Nope. The error message generally means tape full or media error. Is there any message in the e-mail log specifying how much data taper

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Dan Wilder
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:09:16PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On May 17, 2001, Ron Stanonik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the newbie question, but how can tar be configured so that after restoring a full and an incremental the filesystem has exactly the files at the time of the

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Jonathan Dill
I think I was the one who made the suggestion to remove ext2 dump, but I was wrong, you don't have to do that. ./configure will find both xfsdump and dump, and amanda will choose whichever program is appropriate for the type of filesystem i.e. if it is XFS filesystem and you have not specified

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread John R. Jackson
I was going to stay out of yet another round of dump vs tar, but what the hell. Here's a little eye-opener for all you tar folks ... $ (umask 077 ; mkdir /tmp/jrj) $ cd /tmp/jrj $ rm z.tar zli $ cp /dev/null zli $ gtar --version tar (GNU tar) 1.13.19 ... $ uname -srp SunOS 5.6

GNUTAR backup of VxFS fails

2001-05-17 Thread David Carter
Running amanda 2.4.1p2 on Solaris 2.6. The gtar version is 1.11.8. All the files systems are ufs except for one Veritas VxFS files system. The VxFS is set to run with the GNUTAR dumptype and was working for many months. Lately, however, amanda gives me the syndesis1 /a lev 0 FAILED [disk /a

Re: GNUTAR backup of VxFS fails

2001-05-17 Thread John R. Jackson
Running amanda 2.4.1p2 on Solaris 2.6. The gtar version is 1.11.8. ... You have to run GNU tar 1.12 with the patches from www.amanda.org. There is also a 1.13.19, but I just found some serious problems and wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. David Carter John R. Jackson, Technical Software

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On May 17, 2001, John R. Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, shit. I wouldn't have put it better :-) I tried GNU tar 1.12 (plus the Amanda patches) and it works fine. Thanks God I'm still using that one, on most systems I've got. Talk `conservative' regarding backups. But if'n I were

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On May 17, 2001, Dan Wilder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this an option amrecover can (or does) pass to tar? Nope. amrecover explicitly tells tar which files to restore, so this is not an issue. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On May 17, 2001, John R. Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --listed-incremental /tmp/jrj/zli \ This does what Amanda does for a full dump. Just to make sure (and for the enlightenment of anyone else trying to duplicate the problem): you have removed /tmp/jrj/zli before every tar

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread John R. Jackson
Just to make sure (and for the enlightenment of anyone else trying to duplicate the problem): you have removed /tmp/jrj/zli before every tar command, right? ... Yes. What I posted was really the list of commands I put into a little test script. The cp of /dev/null to zli is part of that and

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Dan Wilder
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 04:02:19PM -0500, John R. Jackson wrote: But if'n I were you folks using this version of GNU tar, I'd start making damn sure your tapes had anything even faintly useful on them. Amverify should do the trick, although I certainly wouldn't stop there. Not to panic you

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On May 17, 2001, John R. Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you try to read this tar-file with some other tar program? ... ... such as GNU tar 1.12? -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{cygnus.com,

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread John R. Jackson
Did you try to read this tar-file with some other tar program? ... ... such as GNU tar 1.12? Same result. Looks like gcc 2.8.1. Gee. That's dead broken. ... Yeah, yeah. But you're just a wee bit biased :-) :-). First thing I'd do would be to get GNU tar 1.13.19 built with a newer

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Dan Wilder
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 06:36:16PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On May 17, 2001, Dan Wilder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this an option amrecover can (or does) pass to tar? Nope. amrecover explicitly tells tar which files to restore, so this is not an issue. Ahh. Good! Amrecover

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On May 17, 2001, John R. Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, yeah. But you're just a wee bit biased :-) :-). Me! No way! :-D First thing I'd do would be to get GNU tar 1.13.19 built with a newer compiler. ... So what's the recommended **stable** gcc these days? 2.95.3 I'll try

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On May 17, 2001, John R. Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know which compiler was used to build this version of GNU tar? Looks like gcc 2.8.1. Gee. That's dead broken. First thing I'd do would be to get GNU tar 1.13.19 built with a newer compiler. But I can tell from personal

Re: Linux and dump

2001-05-17 Thread Ray Shaw
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 09:53:59PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: clip I can also tell from personal experience that I haven't had trouble with GNU tar 1.13.17 on GNU/Linux/x86, but I still haven't been able to do backups reliably with 1.13.19 (it will generally abort part-way through the

exclude files and large partitions

2001-05-17 Thread justinb11
I am using gnu-tar and am trying to make use of its exclude file capability within Amanda. Can soneone help me out with 2 basic exclude file questions? 1) Do I need to put the exclude files on each client that makes use of them, or do they reside on the server? e.g --- in disklist on server

Re: exclude files and large partitions

2001-05-17 Thread John R. Jackson
1) Do I need to put the exclude files on each client that makes use of them, or do they reside on the server? They need to be on the client. 2) I am trying to backup a partition that is too large to fit on a single tape. I have tried to thin-out the amount of data that gets archived by using