Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Robert A. Poff
Band plan sand plan - thank God they are plans not rules. Talk where you want according to the actual rules. The problem is that once the bandplan is adopted, essentially a treaty, the FCC would eventually need to modify the rules to align with it. I'm not sure if the League is so much

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Robert A. Poff
Band plan sand plan - thank God they are plans not rules. Talk where you want according to the actual rules. The problem is that once the bandplan is adopted, essentially a treaty, the FCC would eventually need to modify the rules to align with it. I'm not sure if the League is so much

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Jim Wilhite
Don't forget your Division Directors and Vice Directors. Send them copies of anything you send to anyone directly connected to Newington. Jim/W5JO - Original Message - Let's stand up for our mode, my fellow AMers. Don't just send your comments to the published email addy, but

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Bernie Doran
This is nothing but BS. it is all power and money. look at the epa from thier start many years ago to now. once you meet the modest goals, the only way to exist and expand is to expand the goal constantly.any organization that publishes any document, however distorted and crazy , will be

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread kj4djf
Quote: I see and hear too much that sounds like cb.It will be hard to convence me that this is not the result of the downgraded license requirements. I hate that I am better than someone else attitude no matter where I find it. I am convenced that mean and people suck. n0jef

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Ted Gustafson
Bernie, I think that it is more of a reflection of our society as a whole now days. I want it now, I want it my way, I don't want to have to put forth any effort to get it and if I have to step on some one else to get it that's ok as I'm just looking out for myself. Then you put that together

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Bernie Doran
I certainly did not mean to imply that I am better than anyone else, however the rude and disruptive actions on the bands are far far worse that I ever saw back when 1950s, 1960s. if we are doing quotes, here is one I like if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps the

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
Todd, you are correct. The ARRL has been obsessed with spectrum conservation for decades. It might have made some sense at one time. But the compulsion to make every emission as close to knife blade narrow as possible is out of touch with reality now.Not to mention that when I finish using

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread rbethman
This NOT a matter of ANYONE claiming to be better than anyone else! The comment that: I see and hear too much that sounds like CB, is the bald truth. This year makes 30 yrs of being licensed under the old system that required code. NO I am NOT saying that it made folks act any better, NOR

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Bob Macklin
All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz. There is not much 3KHz or higher energy in the human voice.And we are not supposed to be playing music. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. Real Radios Glow In The Dark - Original Message

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Bob Macklin
Why cant you people understand that you can operate AM anywhere you can operate SSB. A calling frequency is just that . A CALLING FREQUENCY. The East Coast AM group thinks they own 3880. The West Coast group feels the same way about 3870. What's nice to know is where to look for AM operation.

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Bob Peters
Thank you Bob and Thank you Steve...There is NO BIG deal here folks..We do not live by the so called Band Plan...Just operate AM with good operating practices and enjoy HAM RADIO and don't think about band plans... When the FCC starts getting involved then we worry but the US GOV has no time to

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread rbethman
This is wonderful in theory. So what are we supposed to do with WWII era equipment such as BC-610s? The entire audio chain goes from 400 to 3500cps. Guess I'll just continue along as I have been doing since I got both of them. I do run a monitor scope, and I know it is clean. I do have to

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Bob Peters
Bob,DGN, You can throttle the above 3 K off with an EQ and not let the transmitter pass the above 3K audio... I run a GATES BC1G which goes out a lot more then 3K but have it throttled off and can run 100% or more positive peaks keeping the negative side down below 100% with a limiter...Robert

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Larry Szendrei
Bob Macklin wrote: All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz. There is not much 3KHz or higher energy in the human voice.And we are not supposed to be playing music. B All true, Bob. But many of us enjoy listening to, and

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Bob Macklin
Larry/NE1S wrote: But many of us enjoy listening to, and transmitting, full-fidelity audio. The human voice DOES sound better (to our ears, at least) when we do this. And if there is room on the band when we choose to operate, why the heck shouldn't we? 73, -Larry/NE1S Try reading Part

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread rbethman
I've read it time and time again! AM DSB is A3E without question. As the discussion I've been having off-list, I'll simply say that *IF* someone can REALLY pick up the fact that BC-610s and T-213s are running an extra 100cps on each sideband, then so be it. It has been running that way for

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Mike Sawyer
I agree with Larry here. But I want to know where exactly does it give dimension to bandwidth in Part 97? If what Bob says is true, then it really doesn't matter. No where does it say 2700Hz, 3200HZ, 3500Hz or 6000Hz. My beef with the ARRgghhL is, to paraphrase Nancy Sinatra, messin' where they

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Barrie Smith
Bob: What do you set the resting plate current on your BC-610? I run 40 ma on mine, but Eimac recommends 50 ma. 73, Barrie, W7ALW - Original Message - From: rbethman rbeth...@comcast.net To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, March 08,

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Bernie Doran
mine goes out to about 4.5 kc, the S and F will stretch out to 7 kc, I have no intention of changing it, I look for an area 10 or more wide and then sit in the middle, if I can not find one I do not operate. in spite of that ssb will still move 2-3 kc away and then bitch!! should we all just

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread rbethman
My fau paux! It is setting the Modulator bias. The manual says 40ma. I usually have to dial it down a bit, or REALLY run the audio gain down a good bit. Both my BC-610 and my T-213 put 400W out on pure carrier. So I have to keep from letting the horse run!. I didn't know what the actual

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Bry Carling
Yeah but Bob - if you want to make some kind of binding RULE out of that vague requirement then your AM signal should only be 4 kHz wide, because under ideal circumstances the guy on the other end could still understand you. Oh, you might sound rather MUFFLED, but who cares so long as you

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread D. Chester
All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz. There is not much 3KHz or higher energy in the human voice.And we are not supposed to be playing music. Bob Macklin K5MYJ There is nothing in the rules that says we have to use

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread D. Chester
I have enough of a time keeping the BEASTs reined in at 1500W PEP. If I set the microphone resting current at the specified in the TM at 40ma, the darn thing WILL hit 2500W PEP. There is nothing in Part 97 that says we even have to have instruments capable of measuring PEP. They

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread D. Chester
The problem is that once the bandplan is adopted, essentially a treaty, the FCC would eventually need to modify the rules to align with it. Not true. You are confusing IARU with ITU. The International Telecommunications Union formulates the international treaties that determine what

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Brett Gazdzinski
No, I bet you could run twice the legal power for years and no one would know... After all, how can you tell the difference between a good antenna or twice the power? Brett - Original Message - From: D. Chester k4...@charter.net To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, March 08,

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread rbethman
Well, there are those that I could swear are running a pair of 4-1000As! I could plead ignorance due to not having an adequate device to properly measure the PEP output. But then my heart wouldn't be in it. Guess I'm stuck between my conscience and the Beasts! Bob - N0DGN On 3/8/2010 8:46

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread sbjohnston
Bob wrote: All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz. True, but DSB AM rig modulated with 300 to 3k audio certainly won't fit into a 2700 Hz segment of the band -that's the problem. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com

Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2010-03-08 Thread Jim Wilhite
You are correct Brett except if anyone ever complained. If your signal is clean and under 6-7 KC they probably wouldn't care because of the fact that the signal at the receiver only moves just a bit with each doubling of power. I believe W6HLH is an example of what you say, as is a number of