Re: [Amsn-devel] Portability of profiles

2008-01-28 Thread Harry Vennik
Op 28-jan-2008, om 16:41 heeft Mirko Hansen het volgende geschreven: Hey everybody, as I had a lot of trouble the last days with my laptop (I usually use aMSN only on my laptop with WinXP, at home and at university) because it had a hard disk crash, I was trying to use my profile on

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN Meeting - FOSDEM 2008

2008-01-27 Thread Harry Vennik
Op 27-jan-2008, om 12:09 heeft Youness Alaoui het volgende geschreven: I don't know about the greysahdes though. I know I told you that I thought you could use grayshades, but it seems we can't.. so we'll have to sort this one out too.. It seems those grayshades would become blue-shades

[Amsn-devel] Bugfix release 0.97.1

2008-01-24 Thread Harry Vennik
Hi everyone! As you all noticed probably, I merged bugfixes from trunk into the 0_97 branch. It now just needs testing, to make sure the release really fixes bugs, instead of just adding new ones because of merging mistakes. So please checkout the branch and test it for a while! If you

Re: [Amsn-devel] Developer's advices...

2008-01-09 Thread Harry Vennik
Just a warning... Don't start adding all kind of features!!! We are working towards a bugfix release! MSNP15 is good, but should be disabled by default in 0.97.1, and audiochat should probably be the only new feature then... Just to be sure it will really be a bugfix release, and not a wrong-

Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [9294] trunk/amsn/protocol.tcl

2008-01-07 Thread Harry Vennik
Sorry... got my editor set to insert 4 spaces when I press tab Harry Op 7-jan-2008, om 8:03 heeft Sander Hoentjen het volgende geschreven: Hi all, Please use tabs for indentation, as you can see from the commit log you actually make indentation seem worse for seem people with your

Re: [Amsn-devel] bug report system

2008-01-06 Thread Harry Vennik
Very nice! Can I have a username/password for the bug report system? Harry Op 6-jan-2008, om 3:25 heeft Youness Alaoui het volgende geschreven: Hi, As some of you may have noticed, we just had 34 commits today into SVN. That's a lot.. and the cause ? the bug report system.. We just

Re: [Amsn-devel] Developer's advices...

2008-01-03 Thread Harry Vennik
Op 3-jan-2008, om 9:09 heeft Rafael Rodríguez het volgende geschreven: On Jan 3, 2008 8:55 AM, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These bugs seem to be major, but not critical, I said previously that 0.97 would be the last release of the 0.x branch of aMSN (it's weird noone

Re: [Amsn-devel] Developer's advices...

2008-01-03 Thread Harry Vennik
Op 3-jan-2008, om 8:55 heeft Youness Alaoui het volgende geschreven: I hope whoever answers will answer everything as I don't want this thread to focus on one of my questions and my other questions are forgotten. To summarize what I'm looking for : 1 - Do you want a 0.97.1 bugfix release

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN release cycle (idea)

2007-12-17 Thread Harry Vennik
Hi, This is certainly a good idea, but it can only work when the aMSN team is more active, and thus more productive. aMSN 0.97 final is getting so late just because there is nobody with enough time to make the release ready. Youness said in another mail he *maybe* has the time to do it

[Amsn-devel] Removing useless code in protocol.tcl

2007-12-16 Thread Harry Vennik
Hi, I've got a big patch for protocol.tcl too (removes unused code). Planning was to have it wait until post-0.97, but I have aMSN running with that patch for about 6 months now, without any problems, so I think it will be safe to commit it. May I go ahead and commit it? Harry

Re: [Amsn-devel] (no subject)

2007-11-08 Thread Harry Vennik
To the other readers: as this mailing list is not for support questions, I'll see what I can do in PM. Op 8-nov-2007, om 20:16 heeft nina meijer het volgende geschreven: hoi wat ik bedoelde was dat er een bug rapport komt en daar wil ik dan op reageren maar dat lukt niet ik krijg dan te

Re: [Amsn-devel] Rev. 9049 broken

2007-09-26 Thread Harry Vennik
There is still something wrong about this... Running on Tcl/Tk 8.4.13 on MacOS X 10.4.10 i get te following: - Running latest svn version (trunk) of aMSN i get double preferences item (first one translated, second not translated) - Running aMSN version from 0_97 branch i do not get double

Re: [Amsn-devel] Rev. 9049 broken

2007-09-26 Thread Harry Vennik
Hehe, found it! On Tcl/Tk 8.4.13 the hard-coded preferences item is only displayed if ::tk::mac::ShowPreferences exists!!! Seems very good behavior to me. So probably, 8.4.14 is just buggy Harry Op 26-sep-2007, om 10:13 heeft Harry Vennik het volgende geschreven: There is still

Re: [Amsn-devel] Release Sep 18th

2007-09-13 Thread Harry Vennik
Hi, Maybe it was the plan already, but I didn't read it here, so I just post it... I think it would be a good thing to create the release from trunk rather than the current 0_97 branch. although many changes in trunk were merged into the branch, I think trunk is probably more stable at

Re: [Amsn-devel] mydiff

2007-09-07 Thread Harry Vennik
Why not store only the original and, if desired, resize when loading it? Op 7-sep-2007, om 9:25 heeft Youness Alaoui het volgende geschreven: that means double disk space and double code complexity, while 'original' getting downloaded is very simple code and not that problematic since it's

Re: [Amsn-devel] svn rev 8930 BUG

2007-07-30 Thread Harry Vennik
Youness, I think there is no reason to yell that much. There were a few e-mails about this, although this exact behavior was not agreed upon. But it might be just a wrong implementation of what was discussed. So, still a BUG, but no need for saying there hasn't been any discussion. (FYI:

Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [8929] trunk/amsn

2007-07-30 Thread Harry Vennik
Hi, I also tend to regard the staying open of all windows (and even being able to continue chatting!) to be a feature, which is an advantage of aMSN compared to WLM. But I'd like to know why people call it a vulnerability... Is it somewhere on the forums? If there is a good reason for that

Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [8929] trunk/amsn

2007-07-30 Thread Harry Vennik
the feature will be missed. I think it's easy for someone to just close all windows manually or close amsn itself when he's finished. asking the user is just an annoyance in my opinion and closing without asking is worse.. KKRT On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 08:02:45PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: Hi

[Amsn-devel] #TODO comments in code

2007-07-02 Thread Harry Vennik
Hi all, I just did a 'grep TODO *.tcl' in my aMSN folder, and I got quite a lot of output... I think it is time to clean this all up. I will start working on some of them, but a lot of those I dare not touch because I don't know the code well enough. Can you all just have a look at the

Re: [Amsn-devel] Group handling

2007-06-02 Thread Harry Vennik
to allow users to move to no group, then the 'delete from group' method used by WLM would be the way to go. What do you think ? p.s. : sorry for the YAHEFY (yet another huge email from Youness :p). kaKaRoTo On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 01:31:36PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: I think the second way

Re: [Amsn-devel] Group handling

2007-06-01 Thread Harry Vennik
I think the second way is the best. However, when a contact is dragged to No Group, and actually the contact is in multiple groups, then the user should be warned that moving a contact to No Group will remove it from any group it was in, and not just the group it was dragged from. Harry

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO

2007-05-30 Thread Harry Vennik
Op 30-mei-2007, om 19:19 heeft NoWhereMan het volgende geschreven: Karel Demeyer wrote: * I think (you not I guess) an ordinary (a)MSN user watches the status of an FT while in a chat with that specific user. To see how much longer it will take before he can end the conversation for

[Amsn-devel] web-online buddy icon in default skin on mac

2007-05-29 Thread Harry Vennik
Hi, While using 0.97RC1 on mac, when one of my contacts came online, its buddy icon appeared much bigger in the CL. The status was Web/Online, so i think the icon for that status is just the wrong size in the mac default skin. Would be something to fix before 0.97, i guess. Regards, Harry

Re: [Amsn-devel] GTK Port

2007-05-29 Thread Harry Vennik
Yes, it is in /trunk/amsn2 of our svn repository. But keep in mind it is in a very early stage of development , and is not yet runnable as a stand-alone application. It mainly consists of protocol code, no GUI etc. Op 29-mei-2007, om 14:33 heeft Camponez het volgende geschreven: Is there

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO

2007-05-28 Thread Harry Vennik
I think this is a very good idea. Would be better than 1 window per FT. An alternative would be, to integrate the progress indication for FT into the chat window. (a progressbar etc. in the notification message that an FT invitation was sent). Op 28-mei-2007, om 11:25 heeft [EMAIL

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO

2007-05-28 Thread Harry Vennik
Ow, hehe this one came in while I was typing my other message... But nice it's planned :-) Op 28-mei-2007, om 12:35 heeft Philippe Valembois - Phil het volgende geschreven: That was intended to come with total rewrite of the new ChatWindow : so yes it is planned ;) Phil [EMAIL

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO

2007-05-28 Thread Harry Vennik
Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nooo ! ;) This idea from MSN is really bad : we always lost our FTs when we are in a deep conversation with someone. The FT Manager let us to see exactly what we have donloaded and so on... Phil Harry Vennik a écrit : I think

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO

2007-05-28 Thread Harry Vennik
Op 28-mei-2007, om 15:30 heeft Karel Demeyer het volgende geschreven: 2007/5/28, Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hmm, I don't see the point of putting the FT manager in the CL Window, it has simply nothing to do with the CL. The main window is not only about the CL, it's about aMSN

[Amsn-devel] Error handling with File Transfer

2007-05-17 Thread Harry Vennik
Hi, I just tried to send someone a file, but that file was in use by another program. The other user accepted the transfer, but aMSN did nothing (i.e. it looked as if the transfer was not yet accepted). I suspect that aMSN could not open the file because it was in use, and does not handle

Re: [Amsn-devel] Close or Dock...

2007-05-08 Thread Harry Vennik
There is something more about it. He says that amsn minimizes to the taskbar if there is no systray. I'd say that is a bug, it leaves no difference between the minimize and the close button. I think that if there is no systray, the close button should have the same behavior as on Mac. (A

Re: [Amsn-devel] WIKI

2006-12-31 Thread Harry Vennik
Isn't it possible to set up apache such that the URLs http://amsn- project.net/wiki/index.php/SVN and http://amsn-project.net/wiki/SVN mean the same? I don't know much about MediaWiki, but I set up a wiki with MoinMoin recently. The /wiki/ is an alias there. If that's the same with

Re: [Amsn-devel] Branch for 0.96.1??

2006-12-19 Thread Harry Vennik
Just commit to the existing branches/0_96 (so that's NOT to the TAG, but to the BRANCH). Op 19-dec-2006, om 17:59 heeft Tom Hennigan het volgende geschreven: Heya, I've got a commit to make for 0.96.1 (the tab bug thing), should I add a branch 0.96.1 (and is doing an svn cp to the branches

[Amsn-devel] Webcam reflector problem on Mac

2006-12-17 Thread Harry Vennik
Hi all, I seem not able to send webcam on the Mac. I watched the status log (see attachment) and I think it is some reflector problem. From my Linux pc I can send webcam to that contact however. So the problem seems to be Mac-specific. (Both the linux pc and the mac are on the same

Re: [Amsn-devel] [patch] guicontactlist.tcl baloon padding

2006-12-17 Thread Harry Vennik
).. Hmmm, looks like that is another error, so you still don't have your feedback. Maybe the white screen error is ppc only? FYI: I've got a MacBook with 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo here. Looking forward to your testing, Tom On 12/17/06, Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ps: webcam issue seems

Re: [Amsn-devel] Webcam reflector problem on Mac

2006-12-17 Thread Harry Vennik
. Tom ps. I thought this was another issue (the white received image issue) but obviously not (which is a good thing :-)). On 12/17/06, Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I seem not able to send webcam on the Mac. I watched the status log (see attachment) and I think

Re: [Amsn-devel] MSN Status Labels

2006-12-03 Thread Harry Vennik
Right, but don't forget to e-mail amsn-lang. Language maintainers might not notice the change otherwise. Best is to advise them all to have a look at WLM in their own language if possible. Op zondag 3 december 2006 13:45, schreef NoWhereMan: - Original Message - From: Tom Hennigan

Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [7560] branches/0_96/amsn/amsn.desktop

2006-12-03 Thread Harry Vennik
0.96 has been released. So, is there still any need to commit anything to that branche? Op zondag 3 december 2006 18:26, schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Revision: 7560 http://svn.sourceforge.net/amsn/?rev=7560view=rev Author: lephilousophe Date: 2006-12-03 09:26:55 -0800 (Sun, 03

Re: [Amsn-devel] patch for webmessenger

2006-11-11 Thread Harry Vennik
No news. You can already see it in the contact properties. Also, not everyone will like to have that in the CL (and don't say 'make it an option'!). Op zaterdag 11 november 2006 16:37, schreef NoWhereMan: http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11692#11692 who's willing to try?

Re: [Amsn-devel] about XUL (again)

2006-11-08 Thread Harry Vennik
The exact point is that when using XUL, we won't have to create the engine, which would save us a lot of work. Also I think that the bindings for other languages than JS (specifically Python) may make XUL suitable for aMSN2. But I still hate the 'not really native' widgets. Harry Op woensdag

Re: [Amsn-devel] about the splash

2006-10-28 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zaterdag 28 oktober 2006 09:51, schreef NoWhereMan: - Original Message - From: Karel Demeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Really, splashes are bad, are so '90s and I won't like to see amsn use it. You better make your app show the main window as quick as possible (maybe this can be

Re: [Amsn-devel] *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption

2006-10-22 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 22 oktober 2006 04:22, schreef Salatiel Filho: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08b42270 *** == Segmentation fault ? It is not exactly the same, but it is related. It is like glibc detects a memory management problem, and handles it to avoid a real

Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [7386] trunk/amsn/amsn

2006-10-21 Thread Harry Vennik
IIRC, OnUnix == true on Mac! So I think it should be either: if {[OnUnix] ![OnMac]} { or: if {[OnLinux]} { Op zaterdag 21 oktober 2006 20:20, schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Revision: 7386 http://svn.sourceforge.net/amsn/?rev=7386view=rev Author: vivia Date: 2006-10-21

Re: [Amsn-devel] tcl_siren webcamsn Compile Error

2006-10-21 Thread Harry Vennik
Looks like a macro being treated as a function by the compiler. You are probably missing some header file. Please check for warnings about that. Op zaterdag 21 oktober 2006 11:01, schreef Tom Hennigan: Heya, When I compile tcl_siren webcamsn I get this error: LD

Re: [Amsn-devel] Fw: msn python client (msnp13)

2006-10-20 Thread Harry Vennik
GTK can be ugly if you use an ugly skin, Tk is not skinnable and is always ugly... And then there is the integration issue, for which you are nearly the only one who doesn' t have that problem. Op vrijdag 20 oktober 2006 01:58, schreef Youness Alaoui: beurk, and they say Tk is uglier than

Re: [Amsn-devel] msn python client (msnp13)

2006-10-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Op vrijdag 20 oktober 2006 14:14, schreef NoWhereMan: OT: I don't know if I told you; generally speaking of interfaces and designing, XUL looks interesting, doesn't it? it's completely skinnable, integrates well with all systems, and uses javascript as a scripting language (which really is not

Re: [Amsn-devel] Domain Name Poll... WAS : Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...

2006-10-11 Thread Harry Vennik
You may be right. For the same reason Youness said we should formalize the meaning of the acronym amsn, but indeed that might not be enough. Also, because we want to go multi-protocol some day, we may want to get that 'MSN' out of our name. But: there are so many people that know the name

Re: [Amsn-devel] IMPORTANT : Re: Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...

2006-10-10 Thread Harry Vennik
I also prefer amsn-project.net rather than amsn-team.net. Still another idea: amsn-messenger.net. Op dinsdag 10 oktober 2006 22:47, schreef Youness Alaoui: Hello all, This is to announce that after reviewing the specs and the opportunity that was given to us by jronline, we decided to go with

Re: [Amsn-devel] Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...

2006-10-08 Thread Harry Vennik
Hi, I have not been able to keep up with this thread completely, but I read most of the mails quickly. I support the idea. About the money, I trust Youness to manage it, but stil want to stress that a few other people should have an eye on it. But I think you already said that in some e-mail

Re: [Amsn-devel] i'm leaving (but not the team !)

2006-09-16 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zaterdag 16 september 2006 00:21, schreef Boris Faure (aka billiob): Then, there's something wrong. Where are you; why are you hiding ?? It was common to see 20 msg (and not deads discussions) on the ML per day, but now, how many ?? If you're worried about amsn2, then do everything to

Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-lang] Greetings

2006-08-29 Thread Harry Vennik
I just sent the file by PM. The link on the site is broken indeed. Can anyone please check why? Harry Op dinsdag 29 augustus 2006 09:37, schreef Baze Nenovski: Hello , i am Nenovski Blagoj from Macedonia. Been working on the macedonian translation for kde , but since amsn is not included in

Re: [Amsn-devel] XGL Amsn trayicon

2006-08-22 Thread Harry Vennik
First of all: you doing nothing with your PC does not imply that nothing happens to aMSN. As said earlier in the thread: a contact changing his/her state might also trigger the bug. So the chance to find the cause is bigger when you are actually busy with your pc. I recognize the bug myself

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-21 Thread Harry Vennik
Op maandag 21 augustus 2006 10:33, schreef Ole André Vadla Ravnås: There's also psyco: http://psyco.sourceforge.net/ But I reckon such optimization tools are more appropriate for really performance-sensitive code, like realtime audio processing, etc. :-) Any realtime processing should always be

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-21 Thread Harry Vennik
Op maandag 21 augustus 2006 03:41, schreef Youness Alaoui: Ok, is there any 'python like' language which allows for a 'normal' syntax? :P hehe, anyways, as I said in my previous mail, we should compare with other languages too, and as I said, since almost all modules (or was it 'all' modules?)

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
for the XML and after that we could create a Tk engine to have a base of work... Phil Le Sunday 20 August 2006 00:11, Harry Vennik a écrit : Op zaterdag 19 augustus 2006 23:34, schreef Philippe Valembois - Phil: But anway, I think you are wrong in saying 'This way, if you want to create

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 12:33, schreef Philippe Valembois - Phil: I just remember something about Python... When you were all thinking only about Tcl/Tk, my father already used Python (I studied it a little too) and it was a hell to have a good graphic interface... And guess what ? What was

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Sander also put Ruby into that Wiki page. I did not know Ruby (heard the name before, but did not know what it is like), and have been browsing around for some time now to get info about it, and I think it is most worth considering. Thanks Sander for pointing it out! Op zondag 20 augustus 2006

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 18:05, schreef Philippe Khalaf: On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:46 -0400 Madd Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean python cons where you say TCL cons at one point. Having learned python, you get used to the indentation very fast. I wouldn't list it as a big con.

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 18:00, schreef Philippe Khalaf: On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:13:14 +0200 Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who said that the whole project will be in C ??? Only you ! What will be in C/C++ : DBUS bindings and GUI modules for GTK/QT And the protocol

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-19 Thread Harry Vennik
Hi all, I read the thread, and I already see that it is not particularly going in the right direction. Why? Python vs. TCL is not the thing to be discussed here. Of course Python has a lot of very very useful bindings, and TCL is missing some, but, what about the knowledge in the team? And,

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-19 Thread Harry Vennik
Sorry, accidental send. it's not quite complete... Op zaterdag 19 augustus 2006 13:07, schreef Harry Vennik: Hi all, I read the thread, and I already see that it is not particularly going in the right direction. Why? Python vs. TCL is not the thing to be discussed here. Of course Python has

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-19 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zaterdag 19 augustus 2006 13:09, schreef Philippe Valembois - Phil: Hi, I will try to reply to all mails in one... But Youness already did many replies. First when you proposed Python, I was sure that Youness won't be agree with that :p (By the way, you should maybe try Python once because

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-19 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zaterdag 19 augustus 2006 16:38, schreef Ole André Vadla Ravnås: that already happened and you can read the thread if you want... but as you said, pros and cons for everything, but I think in our situation Tcl has a far greater pros/cons ratio than any other language (I'm talking about the

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-19 Thread Harry Vennik
And here we get exactly to where I was in my other mail when I accidentally pressed the send button. We need to get that GUI thing set. It has been discussed a thousand of times now, so it's time to get it in some direction. To put it in a few questions: - What is our goal?

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-19 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zaterdag 19 augustus 2006 23:34, schreef Philippe Valembois - Phil: But anway, I think you are wrong in saying 'This way, if you want to create a new window, no need to upgrade GUI modules.' They will need to be updated to include a command to show the new window, as well as to handle

Re: [Amsn-devel] Stop mails

2006-08-18 Thread Harry Vennik
You'll need to unsubscribe yourself then. https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel Op vrijdag 18 augustus 2006 22:31, schreef gauthier: I woulud like to stop receiving mails. Thanks you ! natacha -

[Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-18 Thread Harry Vennik
already are a lot better and more clear now. Any feedback is appreciated! Harry aMSN2 Basics Draft 2 August 18th, 2006 Author: Harry Vennik What aMSN2 is meant to be - The aim of the aMSN2 project is to develop a successor of the current aMSN on a totally

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-18 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zaterdag 19 augustus 2006 01:50, schreef Philippe Khalaf: On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:21:15 +0200 Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Finally I found some time to document some of my ideas in more detail. The result is this new draft. Quite a lot changed since the previous one

Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [7115] trunk

2006-08-13 Thread Harry Vennik
Hello, I'm back from holiday again. Op woensdag 9 augustus 2006 21:53, schreef Youness Alaoui: Thanks.. as I thought, it's still incomplete... about GLib, it's used because it's the API used by farsight and by telepathy (and many other things)... I don't like it but it is indeed nice, too bad

Re: [Amsn-devel] msnp13 library design

2006-08-01 Thread Harry Vennik
After discussion on #telepathy: Libmsn will be split in two: - The name libmsn will only survive for its low-level part - The high-level API as described by Roelof will go in a separate lib, which is, together with D-BUS glib bindings a Telepathy connection manager for the msn protocol. Of

Re: [Amsn-devel] SMS alarm?

2006-07-31 Thread Harry Vennik
As in amsn alarms it seems. Anyways, this is not something to put in amsn itself, but a plugin may be nice. Harry Op maandag 31 juli 2006 06:11, schreef Youness Alaoui: Alarms ? as in amsn alarms or alarms as in M$ notifications ? KKRT On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 12:48:41AM +0300, Vivia

Re: [Amsn-devel] SORRY TO DISTURB YOU

2006-07-30 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 30 juli 2006 07:40, schreef Youness Alaoui: p.p.s: thanks Harry for creating the shortcuts page on the userwiki, one more page added! great.. now a few thousands more to add... I think you need to thank someone else. I did not do that...

Re: [Amsn-devel] XML2GUI

2006-07-23 Thread Harry Vennik
at a single toolkit, and thus can be implemented using any toolkit, even though Mozilla developers apparently preferred to have their own toolkit that can mimic others. Harry KKRT On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 08:29:34PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: Op woensdag 19 juli 2006 21:58, schreef Harry Vennik

Re: [Amsn-devel] devel plugin

2006-07-23 Thread Harry Vennik
Ctrl-C from CL Window will open a TCL console. Bad key binding indeed. Somewhat confusing. Harry Op zondag 23 juli 2006 07:57, schreef Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer: Ctrl-C? Copy Paste? huh, I don't get it Jérôme Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iChat AIM: [EMAIL

Re: [Amsn-devel] XML2GUI

2006-07-22 Thread Harry Vennik
Op woensdag 19 juli 2006 21:58, schreef Harry Vennik: Yeah if you like XULRunner why not... I don't try to force using of TkHtml but I think (as it was said some months ago) that a multi-GUI soft would be great as you could use XULRunner and we could use TkHtml and with that we don't force

Re: [Amsn-devel] SORRY TO DISTURB YOU

2006-07-22 Thread Harry Vennik
Op vrijdag 21 juli 2006 03:58, schreef Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer: -Be sure about the difference betwen TRUNK and 0.96 What I saw in the diff: - A lot of trivial stuff - different whitespace - platform checking old - new way - initialisation of skin moved from gui.tcl to

Re: [Amsn-devel] devel plugin

2006-07-22 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zaterdag 22 juli 2006 23:00, schreef Yoda-BZH - Tristan Charbonneau: PS: If someone want to help me with TK, I don't realy understand how it works. All you need to know is here: http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.4/TkCmd/contents.htm To get you started: toplevel - creates a window wm - used to set

Re: [Amsn-devel] AMSN2 - First draft

2006-07-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Op donderdag 20 juli 2006 06:57, schreef Youness Alaoui: All I'm saying is that burger said hey, telepathy is cool (he's developing it) and we all said cool, we'll use it, but did we really do a study for this, did we really do an engineer's work seeing which is best, which solution is

Re: [Amsn-devel] AMSN2 - First draft

2006-07-19 Thread Harry Vennik
Op woensdag 19 juli 2006 06:43, schreef Youness Alaoui: No way we drop ANY platform... not even in the beta phase, we want windows beta testers too! That's right. That is why I said 'If D-BUS for Windows is ready BEFORE aMSN2 gets into Beta stage, there is no problem at all.' For now I think

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 branch

2006-07-19 Thread Harry Vennik
Op woensdag 19 juli 2006 06:30, schreef Youness Alaoui: On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 08:27:30AM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: Op dinsdag 18 juli 2006 02:28, schreef Youness Alaoui: Ok, thanks for the check... I did notice the OnMac/OnUnix thing, but I also saw a -padx {0 12} vs.-padx [list 0 12

Re: [Amsn-devel] Fwd: Traduccion a euskara de aMSN

2006-07-19 Thread Harry Vennik
Euskara == Basque. We already have it (langeu) I'll send a reply. Op woensdag 19 juli 2006 18:19, schreef Youness Alaoui: Humm.. I wonder what euskara is.. (no need to answer, I'll search on my own). Anyways, it should be sent to amsn-lang I think. In the meantime, you can redirect her/him

Re: [Amsn-devel] XML2GUI

2006-07-19 Thread Harry Vennik
Op woensdag 19 juli 2006 20:58, schreef Philippe Valembois - Phil: Well, some errors in the sum up : For TkHtml : - It's still TK, any form element for example is still an ugly TK widget. Wrong because it's you who handle these tags and you can create another widget : why not a pixmap widget

Re: [Amsn-devel] XML2GUI

2006-07-19 Thread Harry Vennik
Op woensdag 19 juli 2006 21:14, schreef Philippe Valembois - Phil: This is just a name collision. The XML2GUI that was to be designed by us is not the same as the one in the sum up. So there isn't any trouble if we do how we said some months ago : XML2GUI (ours) to tie aMSN and the GUI

Re: [Amsn-devel] AMSN2 - First draft

2006-07-19 Thread Harry Vennik
Op woensdag 19 juli 2006 18:15, schreef Youness Alaoui: On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 08:56:46AM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: Op woensdag 19 juli 2006 06:43, schreef Youness Alaoui: No way we drop ANY platform... not even in the beta phase, we want windows beta testers too! That's right

Re: [Amsn-devel] XML2GUI

2006-07-19 Thread Harry Vennik
As the name suggests XML2GUI is a way to render a GUI as described in a XML file. So XULRunner is an example of an implementation of such a thing. 'Our' XML2GUI was an idea, not some part of code, even though there has been work (by me) on a piece of code to implement that idea, because

Re: [Amsn-devel] XML2GUI

2006-07-19 Thread Harry Vennik
Op woensdag 19 juli 2006 21:14, schreef Philippe Valembois - Phil: render the widgets described in the XML For XUL : and for Youness it's decided on the compil time : can you switch from GTK2 to QT in Firefox ? No. (By the way is there a QT engine for XUL ?) Phil I don't know

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 branch

2006-07-18 Thread Harry Vennik
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 09:00:37PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: No panic please. We did not branch for nothing. Development is just going on on the trunk. Also many of the changes are trivial. Remember that I did a very big commit? It changed indenting in some places, and it changed the way we

Re: [Amsn-devel] AMSN2 - First draft

2006-07-18 Thread Harry Vennik
Op dinsdag 18 juli 2006 19:45, schreef Philippe Valembois - Phil: Hi, even if you yield at us I am happy ;) I am sure now that all will be in Tcl except protocol and bindings for D-Bus... Now, to sum up a little we will have : Protocol and Thelepathy - Some IPC service (DBus on *Nix, maybe

[Amsn-devel] XML2GUI

2006-07-18 Thread Harry Vennik
Hi all, Youness requested an overview of possibilities for XML (or HTML) to GUI, and their pros and cons. In this e-mail I'll try to fulfill that request. I'll have to do a lot just from memory, because I did not really write docs, while comparing. I always do that kind of thing just 'in the

Re: [Amsn-devel] AMSN2 - First draft

2006-07-17 Thread Harry Vennik
design is bad (maybe on Glib thing it is bad :p) but I think it hasn't any relation with the aMSN that everybody know... Le Sunday 16 July 2006 20:38, Harry Vennik a ?crit: Hi all, Last months I have done a lot of thinking about aMSN2. Especially about the GUI part of it. I

Re: [Amsn-devel] AMSN2 - First draft

2006-07-17 Thread Harry Vennik
phil and my work with tkhtml will be used for amsn1 then? Tom On 7/17/06, Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Thanks Youness for explaining the idea. It was absolutely not true that Tcl/Tk would be dropped completely. Much more will be in C than currently in aMSN2

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN is worth $8,258,557

2006-07-17 Thread Harry Vennik
The repository url still points to cvs there!!! That might damage the metrics I suppose... Op maandag 17 juli 2006 19:52, schreef Karol Krizka: Hey all, I've been looking through ohloh.net, the site created by former microsoft employees as mentioned on slashdot. I've found their entry for amsn

Re: [Amsn-devel] AMSN2 - First draft

2006-07-17 Thread Harry Vennik
Op maandag 17 juli 2006 21:22, schreef Boris Faure (aka billiob): All the following is only my opinion. I wanted to use tkhtml in amsn. (i've got that goal since february with Tom) A part of it can be done, right now, but all the threads related to amsn2 are making me more and more lazy about

Re: [Amsn-devel] news: live messenger now connected to yahoo.

2006-07-16 Thread Harry Vennik
sentence to summarize it would be welcomed... Tuesday I'll be at work and I'll read the link (if I remember it and can find it in all those mails) KKRT On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 07:19:54PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: http://forums.fanatic.net.nz/index.php?showtopic=15741 Op zaterdag 15 juli

Re: [Amsn-devel] msnlib for Telepathy (Dutch SoC)

2006-07-16 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 16 juli 2006 07:08, schreef Youness Alaoui: On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 06:30:06PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: Please note that you can perfecty implement that API without caring a bit about D-BUS!!! Then in the end libmsn + a few xml files + dbus-glib bindings == connection manager

Re: [Amsn-devel] news: live messenger now connected to yahoo.

2006-07-16 Thread Harry Vennik
So this makes me think that we should not care about MSNP14 for the moment, let us implement MSNP13 in the libmsn project, then once it's complete, tested, and working, then we can upgrade it to MSNP14... in the same way, if we implement MSNP14, then someday MSNP15 will be out and we'll have

[Amsn-devel] AMSN2 - First draft

2006-07-16 Thread Harry Vennik
: - What the aMSN2 project is meant to be - The aims of aMSN2 - The very basics of the technical structure of aMSN2 Please read it all, and send your comments on this thread! Harry aMSN2 Basics Draft 1 July 7th, 2006 Author: Harry Vennik What aMSN2 is meant

Re: [Amsn-devel] msnlib for Telepathy (Dutch SoC)

2006-07-16 Thread Harry Vennik
commits will be around 2 weeks from now. KaKaRoTo On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 12:36:47PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: Op zondag 16 juli 2006 07:08, schreef Youness Alaoui: On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 06:30:06PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: Please note that you can perfecty implement that API

Re: [Amsn-devel] msnlib for Telepathy (Dutch SoC)

2006-07-15 Thread Harry Vennik
: On Sat, 2006-07-15 at 02:26 +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: Hi Roelof, Unfortunately however, you seem to have forgotten about Telepathy somehow... Not only is the word 'Telepathy' nowhere in your document except in the title, also there is not even a little similarity between

Re: [Amsn-devel] msnlib for Telepathy (Dutch SoC)

2006-07-15 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zaterdag 15 juli 2006 12:28, schreef Roelof Kemp: Harry Vennik schreef: Actually I thought libmsn would be the connection manager itself. Also I think that making it separate from Telepathy is likely to cause the connection manager + libmsn to be more complex, and thus slower than

Re: [Amsn-devel] news: live messenger now connected to yahoo.

2006-07-15 Thread Harry Vennik
http://forums.fanatic.net.nz/index.php?showtopic=15741 Op zaterdag 15 juli 2006 18:56, schreef Youness Alaoui: Humm.. that would be interesting, but MSNP14 is not yet available, not yet complete... right ? or is it that yahoo interop is already available so MSNP14 is also available ?

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