Re: [android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2012-01-15 Thread Mark Murphy
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dusk Jockeys Android Apps duskjock...@gmail.com wrote: My point was more that although there is no explicit law requiring home screens to support animations, from my reading of the CTD there is also no explicit law requiring views in normal Activities to

[android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2012-01-14 Thread Dusk Jockeys Android Apps
Thanks Dianne, for such a detailed answer. I understand the limitations you describe, both of the Compatibility process and AppWidgets themselves. The use case of animations here could be considered trivial, but I do think it adds tremendous perceived value to an app. Consider a simple Gallery

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2012-01-14 Thread Mark Murphy
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Dusk Jockeys Android Apps duskjock...@gmail.com wrote: from my point of view the animation is part of the functionality, as it is the raison d'etre of the app... As Ms. Hackborn pointed out, there is no law requiring home screens to support animations. *Any*

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2012-01-14 Thread Christopher Van Kirk
Hi Diane! From your response I sense that I must have touched a nerve. Please don't misunderstand my intentions in making these assertions. I'm not an Android hater, I'm a disillusioned believer. I'm not the only one though: http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/14/ok-mg-i-take-it-back/

[android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2012-01-14 Thread Dusk Jockeys Android Apps
Hi Mark, Yes, I understand that this is the position I am in, and I have to adapt to that. My point was more that although there is no explicit law requiring home screens to support animations, from my reading of the CTD there is also no explicit law requiring views in normal Activities to

[android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2012-01-13 Thread Dusk Jockeys Android Apps
Thanks Dianne, for this infomation on Compatibility Testing. Couuld you clarify the exact scope? Is it the devices core API that have to pass or their implementation of it? My query is a little bit of a grey area: On the latest Samsung Tablets (e.g. Tab 7 Plus) the LayoutAnimation on AppWidgets

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2012-01-13 Thread Dianne Hackborn
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Dusk Jockeys Android Apps duskjock...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Dianne, for this infomation on Compatibility Testing. Couuld you clarify the exact scope? Is it the devices core API that have to pass or their implementation of it? It is everything covered in

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2012-01-12 Thread Dianne Hackborn
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Christopher Van Kirk christopher.vank...@gmail.com wrote: Making software is a business. An investment. To reap maximum rewards on that investment the product has to have as much reach as possible, meaning the OP is absolutely on point about OS upgrades. Who

[android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2012-01-12 Thread Stephan Wiesner
I agree and actually profit from it. As a private developer I hate that I have to write Bugfixes for single devices/Android versions (just thinking of the Galaxy SI lagfix thing gets me goosebumbs) but in my professional life I am a software tester and we actually earn our money by offering our

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2012-01-12 Thread Dianne Hackborn
If you find devices that are behaving inconsistently with the standard platform, please please at least file a bug so this is known, and supplying a test case is a great way to get in to CTS so it never happens again. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Stephan Wiesner testexpe...@googlemail.com

[android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2012-01-12 Thread JP
Focusing on the OS/API evolution here, as brought into play by the OP. Out of all areas that cause developers headaches, the evolution of the API along the succession of OS releases must be the least of our worries. Through wrapper classes and reflection, newer features like TTS or ActionBar are

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2012-01-11 Thread Christopher Van Kirk
Yeah, I would respectfully disagree with your assessment. Making software is a business. An investment. To reap maximum rewards on that investment the product has to have as much reach as possible, meaning the OP is absolutely on point about OS upgrades. Who is going to spend 10k, 100k, 1m,

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2011-10-31 Thread Belvedere Computer Services
sir, I would like to visit with you about this -- off record please as I just nailed the wall really hard in front of several people and I can tell you this can get really nasty in a few tenths of a second with powerful players ready to play hard ball with soft-heads -- You received this

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2011-10-28 Thread Greg Donald
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a problem with it, and if I did, I'd just develop for iOS. I do, and am. I'd suggest you should consider the same instead of whining about something you cannot change.

[android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2011-10-27 Thread Studio LFP
Eh, it's not that bad. If you look at the history of developers, we're already use to having to deal with a lot worse fragmentation issues than Android. Anyone that's ever developed a website correctly knows that supporting the available web browsers is a lot more of a challenge than with

[android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2011-10-27 Thread b0b
Fragmentation is in good shape to become the most overused word of this tech decade... Did PC developpers complained about fragmentation every 2h on the interwebs in the 90's and the 00's? You can make an app work great on 2.x, 3.x and 4.x taking advantage of each version. -- You

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2011-10-27 Thread Greg Donald
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Studio LFP studio@gmail.com wrote: If you look at the history of developers, we're already use to having to deal with a lot worse fragmentation issues than Android. Anyone that's ever developed a website correctly knows that supporting the available web

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2011-10-27 Thread Greg Donald
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:29 AM, b0b pujos.mich...@gmail.com wrote: You can make an app work great on 2.x, 3.x and 4.x taking advantage of each version. Of course you CAN, but that doesn't mean you have the resources to do so. It's simply easier to go with the lowest common SDK version. --

[android-developers] Re: Android fragmentation study

2011-10-27 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
I don't have a problem with it, and if I did, I'd just develop for iOS. I'd suggest you should consider the same instead of whining about something you cannot change. On Oct 28, 1:35 am, Greg Donald gdon...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:29 AM, b0b pujos.mich...@gmail.com wrote: