Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
It's also tough to find the important terms for SlideME fees in one place. Have a section that outlines major points with a link for detailed information would help. The important points that required some digging for me are: 1) SlideME charges a $30 remittance fee to the developer. This is difficult to find at the bottom on the payouts page. 2) SlideME charges the developer for transactions of failed installs that don't result in the sales. The fee's aren't specified and this information is very easily missed in a FAQ. 3) 0.50 charge to developer for refunds of applications So something in clear language like: 5% + 0.5 transaction plus the following (3) fees...would help clear up future misunderstandings. Most developers tipping over the $100 mark are going to be expecting 90 something dollars. After remittance fees, sales taxes, refunds and failed transaction fees, it's certainly going to be much less than the Android Market and they would feel cheated if they missed such important information. Being clear and upfront is critical to maintaining community trust. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:40 AM, Paul idi...@gmail.com wrote: Just to update everyone, I did in fact post my application to SlideME even despite some negative comments here. I emailed with one developer who had a mostly positive experience. Of course I should mention that this developer's name was supplied to me by SlideME, so they probably knew he didn't have any issues. Regardless, what he said seemed believable, so I decided to give it a try. George- I think there are some important takeaways here for SlideME. Basically you need to make the whole invoice/payment process both clearer (put it all up on the website), and easier (copying and pasting is bad), formatting invoices bad. Basically your service just won't be tolerated if developers have to do a lot of work to get paid, because it makes your company seem less believable (hence this thread). Make it simpler and clearer. You can't keep saying things like we are not able to take all developers by the hand if they do not submit as we require such paperwork. Since you don't have any information about this whole invoice submittal, formatting thing on the website you are going to have to hand hold everyone. I think your site could also be a little clearer about fees and taxes, and you need a way for developers to get amounts $100 without discussion. I've only had 3 sales so far on SlideME (compared to 200+ per day on Android Market) so not much to go on there. I think SlideME needs to do more marketing/advertising if they are going to have it take off. -Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Shane Isbell (Founder of ZappMarket) http://twitter.com/sisbell http://twitter.com/zappstore http://zappmarket.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
Just to update everyone, I did in fact post my application to SlideME even despite some negative comments here. I emailed with one developer who had a mostly positive experience. Of course I should mention that this developer's name was supplied to me by SlideME, so they probably knew he didn't have any issues. Regardless, what he said seemed believable, so I decided to give it a try. George- I think there are some important takeaways here for SlideME. Basically you need to make the whole invoice/payment process both clearer (put it all up on the website), and easier (copying and pasting is bad), formatting invoices bad. Basically your service just won't be tolerated if developers have to do a lot of work to get paid, because it makes your company seem less believable (hence this thread). Make it simpler and clearer. You can't keep saying things like we are not able to take all developers by the hand if they do not submit as we require such paperwork. Since you don't have any information about this whole invoice submittal, formatting thing on the website you are going to have to hand hold everyone. I think your site could also be a little clearer about fees and taxes, and you need a way for developers to get amounts $100 without discussion. I've only had 3 sales so far on SlideME (compared to 200+ per day on Android Market) so not much to go on there. I think SlideME needs to do more marketing/advertising if they are going to have it take off. -Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
Shane, Seems you received just enough information from Francois to put blame and accuse me and SlideME for being dishonest publicly. I am afraid I have to disappoint you and provide the communication transcripts, so the members on this list can judge for themselves if we are dishonest or what kind of a person you are with words to mash it all up in your favor. - I have prepared a transcript of the communication with Francois (koxx). 21 Oct 2009: Sends email to Shane and Shane confirms: Just send me an invoice with the time period, contact info, method of payment, amount and then I'll take care of it. (this did not happen) 8th Nov 2009: Sends invoice within email as text and not as an invoices attachment signed as required 9th Nov 2009 : Thanks me for his payout executed from my personal account. Jan 28th, 2010: After asking if invoices were sent, confirms No, there was no 'true' invoice in 2009. Just this (an informal text in email) Jan 28th, 2010: Confirm that we issued a payout without a proper invoice from developer and that we were in error for doing so, and we needed a proper invoice. Feb 2, 2010: Issued report, again. March 28th, 2010: Followed up with developer on status and why he decided to unpublish as customers wanted an upgrade and asked Was due to any reason when previous partner 'Shane' did not remit payment to you on time? Answer: Mar 28, 2010: Confirms, and claims he forgot to issue invoice to us. March 29th, 2010: We issued up to date reports again April 4th, 2010: Assisted personally developer to prepare invoices since english is not his native language and was finding it difficult to prepare such invoices. April 6th, 2010: Received for the 1st time proper invoices for first payout and new second invoice. April 8th, 2010: Remittance sent for last invoice Assumed developer was happy now, but again not enough of my help was enough to keep him as a publisher on SlideME. Offered developer to forward his email address to users of his application that wanted an upgrade and did so as per their request. - Shane, one request. You need to retract now in public any such accusations that I and SlideME are operating a dishonest operation. I would agree you could make such accusations if you were a judge and have a clear picture from both sides. Nothing gives you the right in public without knowing both sides of the story to make such strong accusations that could be detrimental to SlideME. re: Martin's case, Martin missed reading the requirements documented clearly in the 1st email to him as explained earlier in this thread and he issued what was definitely not an invoice that we had to ignore. A human error on his behalf, does not make us dishonest. I will take blame, by not following up with him and mentioning that we could not accept this invoice, that I did not do. We have gone out of our way to assist these developers and it seems developers that are demanding, or for some reason do not like the way we conduct business tend to publicly post negative comments for their own reasons. Unfortunately, we can only stretch our hand out so much to assist them, and still we find they take a bite at it. George On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Shane Isbell shane.isb...@gmail.comwrote: Cool, at least something is coming out of SlideME. George, I have a general policy of not attacking people personally, but in this case, I'll make an exception because I think it is warranted. You are a dishonest individual. You came on this list and publicly accused me of being the reason developers did not get paid. And yet, it took 5 months after I left SlideME for you to resolve and pay a simple invoice. Yet you gave a completely (dishonest) impression on this list that it was my fault. You also blamed your recently botched rollout of SAM on me (4 months after I left). In addition, you were dishonest in regards to your replies to Martin on this list. SlideME needs to take responsibility for its actions. Stop pointing fingers to others. Stop spinning things. Just cleanup the payout mess. Developers are saying it's not working for them and is likely the cause of all these angry posts from developers. Deleting these posts from SlideME forums raises a lot of eyebrows and was no small factor in why I brought these issues forward. And for god's sake, stop blaming me for all SlideME's problems. I left 5 months ago. Shane On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Koxx kox...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, after a long talk with George and some 'lost' emails, I finally managed to be paid few days ago (April 8). The main problem was with invoice. It is very difficult to know what is needed by SlideMe to get your payout. You need to request payout balance (we should receive a summary each month ? I never received them), then edit yourself the invoice with all sales keys (!!!), print it, sign it, scan it, and sent it !!! ouch ! I had to request their help for this (thanks
Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 5:02 AM, George | SlideME george.slid...@gmail.comwrote: Shane, one request. You need to retract now in public any such accusations that I and SlideME are operating a dishonest operation. I never said SlideME was dishonest. I said you, as an individual, are dishonest and I gave the reasons. Paul comes forward and asks if SlideME is good at paying people. I say I've seen developer complaints and invite other developers to give their experiences. Martin comes forward, so does Francois and we find the reason: the invoice process hard to understand. Likely, if you had let such discussions grow on your own forums, you would have found this out. But rather than taking responsibility for a broken payout process, you keep pointing the finger to other members of the community. This is dishonest. Just identify the problem and fix it! In fact, if you approach the android developer community on how to improve the payout process, I'm sure they will jump in and give valuable suggestions. But if you try to hide things, point fingers and post bizarre e-mails, well you will get nothing. Shane -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
I'll be the first one to give out a suggestion: generate the invoice automatically into a pdf from the SlideME portal. That way you can be sure it is right. Doing manual copying and pasting of transactions seems to be a big hurdle here. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Shane Isbell shane.isb...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 5:02 AM, George | SlideME george.slid...@gmail.com wrote: Shane, one request. You need to retract now in public any such accusations that I and SlideME are operating a dishonest operation. I never said SlideME was dishonest. I said you, as an individual, are dishonest and I gave the reasons. Paul comes forward and asks if SlideME is good at paying people. I say I've seen developer complaints and invite other developers to give their experiences. Martin comes forward, so does Francois and we find the reason: the invoice process hard to understand. Likely, if you had let such discussions grow on your own forums, you would have found this out. But rather than taking responsibility for a broken payout process, you keep pointing the finger to other members of the community. This is dishonest. Just identify the problem and fix it! In fact, if you approach the android developer community on how to improve the payout process, I'm sure they will jump in and give valuable suggestions. But if you try to hide things, point fingers and post bizarre e-mails, well you will get nothing. Shane -- Shane Isbell (Founder of ZappMarket) http://twitter.com/sisbell http://twitter.com/zappstore http://zappmarket.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:57 PM, George | SlideME george.slid...@gmail.comwrote: Wish to also say thank you to Paul for uploading his application to SlideME, considering the negativity of this thread from an ex-partner. I am sure Paul and many others will be well looked after as best as we can and have their say one day. I'd prefer if Paul could have his say right now. Paul, does this mean you investigation turned up positive results for dev payments from SlideME? According to a post by Koxx on androidforums (on April 3, 2010), payment from SlideME was still in progress. George said SlideME already paid him. What gives? Something really doesn't add up now. Thanks, Shane -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Shane Isbell shane.isb...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:57 PM, George | SlideME george.slid...@gmail.com wrote: Wish to also say thank you to Paul for uploading his application to SlideME, considering the negativity of this thread from an ex-partner. I am sure Paul and many others will be well looked after as best as we can and have their say one day. I'd prefer if Paul could have his say right now. Paul, does this mean you investigation turned up positive results for dev payments from SlideME? According to a post by Koxx on androidforums (on April 3, 2010), payment from SlideME was still in progress. George said SlideME already paid him. What gives? Something really doesn't add up now. This question is really simple, does SlideME handle it's obligation of paying out developers? SlideME says that it does. This is simple to verify. I've e-mailed Koxx(Francois) so I hope to have a response regarding this soon. I'll also e-mail out to other developers as well and will report back to this group, hopefully within the next week or two, so we can put this issue to rest one way or another. Shane -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
Hi, after a long talk with George and some 'lost' emails, I finally managed to be paid few days ago (April 8). The main problem was with invoice. It is very difficult to know what is needed by SlideMe to get your payout. You need to request payout balance (we should receive a summary each month ? I never received them), then edit yourself the invoice with all sales keys (!!!), print it, sign it, scan it, and sent it !!! ouch ! I had to request their help for this (thanks George for your help on this). The fact is here : it's difficult and not clear. I'll may give a shot to AndAppStore. ciao, Francois @ Koxx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
Cool, at least something is coming out of SlideME. George, I have a general policy of not attacking people personally, but in this case, I'll make an exception because I think it is warranted. You are a dishonest individual. You came on this list and publicly accused me of being the reason developers did not get paid. And yet, it took 5 months after I left SlideME for you to resolve and pay a simple invoice. Yet you gave a completely (dishonest) impression on this list that it was my fault. You also blamed your recently botched rollout of SAM on me (4 months after I left). In addition, you were dishonest in regards to your replies to Martin on this list. SlideME needs to take responsibility for its actions. Stop pointing fingers to others. Stop spinning things. Just cleanup the payout mess. Developers are saying it's not working for them and is likely the cause of all these angry posts from developers. Deleting these posts from SlideME forums raises a lot of eyebrows and was no small factor in why I brought these issues forward. And for god's sake, stop blaming me for all SlideME's problems. I left 5 months ago. Shane On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Koxx kox...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, after a long talk with George and some 'lost' emails, I finally managed to be paid few days ago (April 8). The main problem was with invoice. It is very difficult to know what is needed by SlideMe to get your payout. You need to request payout balance (we should receive a summary each month ? I never received them), then edit yourself the invoice with all sales keys (!!!), print it, sign it, scan it, and sent it !!! ouch ! I had to request their help for this (thanks George for your help on this). The fact is here : it's difficult and not clear. I'll may give a shot to AndAppStore. ciao, Francois @ Koxx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
George, By all means, be honest. Fact is that you have ignored my request for a payout that I sent you March 12, 2010. That's a long time ago. The same day I make a negative posting here about you, you send me an email with a bogus explanation that I have not followed some formal format. You never sent me an email detailing this mysterious format but after a previous complaint you did promise to pay me out even though my earnings were less than $100. I am still waiting for that to happen. So you can continue to shift blame or you can make good on your promise. No matter what you do, I will report what happens here in honesty. Martin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
Hi Martin, SlideME LLC is a Washington State based company so you have some avenues you can pursue. It appears you've tried to directly resolve the issue with SlideME but have been unsuccessful. The Better Business Bureau can assist you in getting such issues resolved. https://odr.bbb.org/odrweb/public/cibrbusiness.aspx?e=4661378id=0927e2ab-0046-4101-9482-3ef0436b177csite=114 For some reason, the BBB is still listing me as the principal contact for SlideME, so you do choose to report the issue, let them know that the current contact is '*George Christopoulos' *SlideME's phone number is not listed on the BBB site, so it can be found here: http://slideme.org/contact Hope this helps, Shane On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:36 AM, mot12 martin.hu...@gmail.com wrote: I would not trust SlideMe. For my best selling app, I had 10,000 sales through Google Market, 900 sales via PayPal and 20 sales via SlideMe. So I stopped my sales on SlideMe and asked for a payout. They told me they only do payouts $100. I asked if this was a scam since the vast majority of developers don't even reach that figure with them. So one guy from SlideMe sent me an email that he was shocked I suggested fraud and that he would of course give me my payout. I apologized and gave him by banking information and invoice. Never heard from him again. Emails to customer service have been unanswered. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
Shane, You are not aware in any way of the conversation between Martin and SlideME (since you were not with SlideME) or maybe where Martin missed what he actually needed to do that was clear in the first email to him, that he unfortunately did not follow. I am sure your interests since you departed SlideME is to damage SlideME's image as best you can for whatever personal reasons you may have. You also failed to mention for the three developers you posted that had problems receiving a payout, that they were in contact with you during that time and you failed to respond in many emails from them. Fortunately I had means to keep in contact and remitted payouts to them from accounts you did not control. Many support issues also had to be resolved by phone contact since you lacked to follow up. So I would appreciate to not use your wrong doings whilst at SlideME against what SlideME is building today with great success. Anyway, thanks for pointing out the BBB, as it needs to be fixed and handy for developers to know as they venture into the business world of who to trust and not to trust. Don't know why you pointed it out though, when SlideME's interest is to grow and support developers at best we can with our resources. It would not make sense for what we are pursuing if we did wrong against developers. Shane you may also want to check your Mikandi terms against http://www.copyscape.com, as it appears to be a clone of Android's Market. Guess, you shouldn't put your new partners in such a responsible state. re: Martin follow up issue. Helped Martin format his invoice and what he needs to include: Invoice to: SlideME LLC (that he missed) Address: companies address (also that he missed) Invoice #: A simple explanation of what should be included in an invoice can be found here: http://www.ir35calc.co.uk/how_to_prepare_an_invoice.aspx We have helped Martin format his invoice as we have helped many other developers, but as anyone can understand, we need to conduct business a certain way and we are not able to take all developers by the hand if they do not submit as we require such paperwork. I am sure many other developers are aware of how much more complex applications are for other stores, including Apple's AppStore, RIM's AppWorld, or even MS WinMo's Marketplace and doubt they will put in the effort as I have on a personal level to assist them, with our limited resources. I am more than happy for Martin to confirm if such details were mentioned to him in the initial lengthy explanatory email to him, and additionally invite even more developers to have their say. Wish to also say thank you to Paul for uploading his application to SlideME, considering the negativity of this thread from an ex-partner. I am sure Paul and many others will be well looked after as best as we can and have their say one day. Thanks, George Hi Martin, SlideME LLC is a Washington State based company so you have some avenues you can pursue. It appears you've tried to directly resolve the issue with SlideME but have been unsuccessful. The Better Business Bureau can assist you in getting such issues resolved. https://odr.bbb.org/odrweb/public/cibrbusiness.aspx?e=4661378id=0927e2ab-0046-4101-9482-3ef0436b177csite=114 For some reason, the BBB is still listing me as the principal contact for SlideME, so you do choose to report the issue, let them know that the current contact is '*George Christopoulos' *SlideME's phone number is not listed on the BBB site, so it can be found here: http://slideme.org/contact Hope this helps, Shane On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:36 AM, mot12 martin.hu...@gmail.com wrote: I would not trust SlideMe. For my best selling app, I had 10,000 sales through Google Market, 900 sales via PayPal and 20 sales via SlideMe. So I stopped my sales on SlideMe and asked for a payout. They told me they only do payouts $100. I asked if this was a scam since the vast majority of developers don't even reach that figure with them. So one guy from SlideMe sent me an email that he was shocked I suggested fraud and that he would of course give me my payout. I apologized and gave him by banking information and invoice. Never heard from him again. Emails to customer service have been unanswered. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:57 PM, George | SlideME george.slid...@gmail.comwrote: Shane, You are not aware in any way of the conversation between Martin and SlideME (since you were not with SlideME) or maybe where Martin missed what he actually needed to do that was clear in the first email to him, that he unfortunately did not follow. I am sure your interests since you departed SlideME is to damage SlideME's image as best you can for whatever personal reasons you may have. Ad hominem's are a sign of a weak argument. I'm keeping all my points on target. If you are paying out to developers then you should be fine and dandy. As I clearly stated, I don't know the general situation but what developers like Martin and Koxx are saying is that SlideME hasn't in their case. You say you are now dealing with it. Well great! You aren't sure of anything, at least not where it touches reality. My personal reasons are not to damage SlideME's image but to keep SlideME honest with the developer community. You also failed to mention for the three developers you posted that had problems receiving a payout, that they were in contact with you during that time and you failed to respond in many emails from them. Fortunately I had means to keep in contact and remitted payouts to them from accounts you did not control. Many support issues also had to be resolved by phone contact since you lacked to follow up. So I would appreciate to not use your wrong doings whilst at SlideME against what SlideME is building today with great success. I don't think you even want to go there. I'm keeping everything confidential and I take that very seriously. Apparently, you aren't. So don't force me to reveal such matters to defend myself (like in regards to what happened to our mail-servers, personal e-mail accounts, and domain names last October/November), just correct your distortions of what went on internally. Anyway, thanks for pointing out the BBB, as it needs to be fixed and handy for developers to know as they venture into the business world of who to trust and not to trust. Don't know why you pointed it out though, I pointed it out because some developers are saying SlideME is ignoring their e-mails and not fulfilling promises of payment. Any active member of the community would likely do the same. I'm not sure how it is in Greece, but in the US agencies like the BBB help resolve issues between customers and business in a professional way, they aren't just a reporting agency. There is absolutely nothing wrong with customers using them as a mediator when they can't get resolution (even with honest companies). when SlideME's interest is to grow and support developers at best we can with our resources. It would not make sense for what we are pursuing if we did wrong against developers. Shane you may also want to check your Mikandi terms against http://www.copyscape.com, as it appears to be a clone of Android's Market. Guess, you shouldn't put your new partners in such a responsible state. re: Martin follow up issue. Helped Martin format his invoice and what he needs to include: Invoice to: SlideME LLC (that he missed) Address: companies address (also that he missed) Invoice #: A simple explanation of what should be included in an invoice can be found here: http://www.ir35calc.co.uk/how_to_prepare_an_invoice.aspx We have helped Martin format his invoice as we have helped many other developers, but as anyone can understand, we need to conduct business a certain way and we are not able to take all developers by the hand if they do not submit as we require such paperwork. I am sure many other developers are aware of how much more complex applications are for other stores, including Apple's AppStore, RIM's AppWorld, or even MS WinMo's Marketplace and doubt they will put in the effort as I have on a personal level to assist them, with our limited resources. I am more than happy for Martin to confirm if such details were mentioned to him in the initial lengthy explanatory email to him, and additionally invite even more developers to have their say. Wish to also say thank you to Paul for uploading his application to SlideME, considering the negativity of this thread from an ex-partner. I am sure Paul and many others will be well looked after as best as we can and have their say one day. Thanks, George Hi Martin, SlideME LLC is a Washington State based company so you have some avenues you can pursue. It appears you've tried to directly resolve the issue with SlideME but have been unsuccessful. The Better Business Bureau can assist you in getting such issues resolved. https://odr.bbb.org/odrweb/public/cibrbusiness.aspx?e=4661378id=0927e2ab-0046-4101-9482-3ef0436b177csite=114 For some reason, the BBB is still listing me as the principal contact for SlideME, so you do choose to report the issue, let them know that the current contact is '*George
[android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
I would not trust SlideMe. For my best selling app, I had 10,000 sales through Google Market, 900 sales via PayPal and 20 sales via SlideMe. So I stopped my sales on SlideMe and asked for a payout. They told me they only do payouts $100. I asked if this was a scam since the vast majority of developers don't even reach that figure with them. So one guy from SlideMe sent me an email that he was shocked I suggested fraud and that he would of course give me my payout. I apologized and gave him by banking information and invoice. Never heard from him again. Emails to customer service have been unanswered. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
Martin, Your ticket reference is still open but as stated you need to conform to issuing a proper invoice based on the report we will issue you and not just a copy and paste in some document of some transactions as you choose to do so. There is a formal format you need to follow so such an invoice can be acceptable and a minimum - and you have not received this minimum. If the developer community prefers for us to remit payout below the $100 minimum, we could come up with a plan to accommodate. Maybe we could remit pre-payments as deposits, and then await for invoices from developers. Will need to confirm this first. The reason, we are requiring invoices from developers, is since SlideME is invoicing end users and applying sales taxes where applicable, such as VAT etc, we also need to receive invoices of such expense costs. Otherwise we will be taxed on the whole amount of the sale as being profit. Thus, we wont be able to provide such a high payout to developers. Hope this normal business practice is understood by most developers here. Similarly, you are expected to invoice your end users from the other stores you use to obey regulations and apply sales taxes and remit such collected sales taxes to each local authority. This is where SlideME handles all these complexities for developers. In terns of other issues posted in this thread, one needs to keep in mind when these problems occurred and why. It's very easy for one to post some negative comments especially when they were in fault and using them against us today. Will make sure we consult and update you all to what extent we can reveal such information without breaching any agreements we have in place, that will be valuable to developers overall. Additionally, will come up with some variant models to initiate for discussions to satisfy any developers concerns. The SlideME discussion forums will be the place for this. George | SlideME On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 10:36 AM, mot12 martin.hu...@gmail.com wrote: I would not trust SlideMe. For my best selling app, I had 10,000 sales through Google Market, 900 sales via PayPal and 20 sales via SlideMe. So I stopped my sales on SlideMe and asked for a payout. They told me they only do payouts $100. I asked if this was a scam since the vast majority of developers don't even reach that figure with them. So one guy from SlideMe sent me an email that he was shocked I suggested fraud and that he would of course give me my payout. I apologized and gave him by banking information and invoice. Never heard from him again. Emails to customer service have been unanswered. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:36 AM, mot12 martin.hu...@gmail.com wrote: I would not trust SlideMe. For my best selling app, I had 10,000 sales through Google Market, 900 sales via PayPal and 20 sales via SlideMe. So I stopped my sales on SlideMe and asked for a payout. They told me they only do payouts $100. I asked if this was a scam since the vast majority of developers don't even reach that figure with them. So one guy from SlideMe sent me an email that he was shocked I suggested fraud and that he would of course give me my payout. I apologized and gave him by banking information and invoice. Never heard from him again. Emails to customer service have been unanswered. Sorry to hear that. Sounds as though SlideME gave you the run-around and then lied about making good on the payment; but honestly, it doesn't surprise me. You can try AndAppStore, they appear to have a simpler system with some way to verify the accuracy of the reported sales. Shane -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
Have you considered AndAppStore? Payments go directly from the user to the developer using PayPal without any cut being taken by us. We offer a purchase checking system so you can verify user purchases from within the app itself. If you'd like more info or have any comments feel free to drop me an Email. Al. On Apr 15, 12:53 pm, Paul idi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking at ways to sell my app to countries where Android Market does not allow people to buy apps (only free apps available in market). I was looking at Slideme.org, but most of the apps there seem free and the details on their website seem scant about how to actually setup an account so they can pay me using say PayPal. Also, I couldn't reach them by phone, so I'm guessing its a pretty small operation. I was also thinking about using Google Checkout to sell directly from my website. Would use a buy now button for digital content delivery, using a server 2 server back end post to send a license key to Google checkout which they only show to user after they've paid (or authorized, or something). User would then enter license key on my website using an Android phone browser only and if key is good would get redirected to the .apk file for download. Still lots of risks for piracy. I suppose having the user enter the license key in the app itself and having the app communicate back with the server for validation might be better, and there are other solutions for that as well. My main questions are: - Does anyone have experience using SlideMe for actually selling apps, and are they good with service and getting you paid? -Is there any issue with using the same Google Checkout account that is linked to my sales on the Android Market to sell directly from my website?? -Is it against any Google policy to sell an app directly using Google Checkout for the same app that is available through Android Market?? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
[android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
Shane, Thanks for the info. Of course I do know that you have a history, a pretty involved history with SlideME, which I've discovered when researching them. But I'll see if I can locate Koxx and hopefully some others to get more info. I don't think they have too good of a record on this these days. I've seen developers reporting problems on the slideme forums and the posts are promptly deleted. One user koxx (developer of Pure Messenger) was pretty vocal about SlideME not paying him. You might want to check around a bit and make sure this is not a wide-spread problem. Or perhaps developers using SlideME can just chime in here and let us know if they have received payouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling outside the Android Market-- Use Google Checkout to sell direct from website??? SlideMe.Org??
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Paul idi...@gmail.com wrote: Shane, Thanks for the info. Of course I do know that you have a history, a pretty involved history with SlideME, which I've discovered when researching them. But I'll see if I can locate Koxx and hopefully some others to get more info. A good place to start is by contacting developers of the more popular paid apps and see what their experiences are: https://slideme.org/user/moussam (WiFi) https://slideme.org/user/darkimar (SpeedForge) http://koxx3.wordpress.com/ (widgets) Honestly, I don't know the situation is here, good or bad; but I did see some angry posts on slideme forums (before they were deleted) from some devs that weren't happy about trying to get payments. Maybe it was resolved for some of them... In the case of Koxx, apparently it wasn't. Either way, I'd be interested to hear what your findings are. I don't think they have too good of a record on this these days. I've seen developers reporting problems on the slideme forums and the posts are promptly deleted. One user koxx (developer of Pure Messenger) was pretty vocal about SlideME not paying him. You might want to check around a bit and make sure this is not a wide-spread problem. Or perhaps developers using SlideME can just chime in here and let us know if they have received payouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Shane Isbell (Founder of ZappMarket) http://twitter.com/sisbell http://twitter.com/zappstore http://zappmarket.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
