Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On 3 October 2010 00:58, Lance Nanek lna...@gmail.com wrote: you have some automatic tools to do that or something I never saw in my console ? Seems like a daunting task ... I ended up writing a web scraper for the publishing console using HtmlUnit. Mind sharing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
Maybe they are counting updates as new installs for a limited time, just like they were counting them as uninstalls before? -- Kostya Vasilyev -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com 01.10.2010 13:01 пользователь Peter Sinnott psinn...@gmail.com написал: Something has changed but I think they fixed the reporting without restoring all the lost data. I'm up 5% over the last 7 days but down 16% over the 30 days before that. On Sep 30, 8:56 pm, Greg Donald gdon...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com wrote: I updated one of my a... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On 1 October 2010 15:43, Yahel kaye...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Sorry but I see you giving percentage and all about your date, just so I know, do you guys actually go everyday on the developper console and record in some kind of excel sheet the numbers you find there ? Or do you have some automatic tools to do that or something I never saw in my console ? Seems like a daunting task ... http://code.google.com/p/android-market-api/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
Also, when a developer has a slight case of OCD when it comes to how well
his/her app is doing, hundreds of visits to the dashboard a day to see stat
updates, new comments, new sales is not out of the question. Over time,
current and past percentages get ingrained in your head! :)
Justin
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:00 AM, { Devdroid } webnet.andr...@gmail.comwrote:
On 1 October 2010 15:43, Yahel kaye...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Sorry but I see you giving percentage and all about your date, just so
I know, do you guys actually go everyday on the developper console and
record in some kind of excel sheet the numbers you find there ? Or do
you have some automatic tools to do that or something I never saw in
my console ? Seems like a daunting task ...
http://code.google.com/p/android-market-api/
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:12 PM, scott19_68 sw.cop...@gmail.com wrote: FYI: Updated one of my apps that was affected by this issue - active install percentage holding steady now, but has not returned to anywhere close to 4 weeks ago. Would like to know if past cases where updates were counted as uninstalls are ever going to be corrected... Surely Google has log files they can use to fix things. -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
I updated one of my apps on Tuesday. I have noticed that the active install numbers were accumulating at a higher rate than my download numbers. So, I think as people update the app, it is putting the active installs back to normal. So far I've only gone up 1%, but it's nice to see it seemingly go back to normal. Justin On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Greg Donald gdon...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:12 PM, scott19_68 sw.cop...@gmail.com wrote: FYI: Updated one of my apps that was affected by this issue - active install percentage holding steady now, but has not returned to anywhere close to 4 weeks ago. Would like to know if past cases where updates were counted as uninstalls are ever going to be corrected... Surely Google has log files they can use to fix things. -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com wrote: I updated one of my apps on Tuesday. I have noticed that the active install numbers were accumulating at a higher rate than my download numbers. So, I think as people update the app, it is putting the active installs back to normal. So far I've only gone up 1%, but it's nice to see it seemingly go back to normal. Justin Normal? You mean like all the way back to December when it broke? Yeah, that'd be nice. -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On 9/18/10 12:59 , Brad Gies wrote: Actually, I am very impressed with the response, and I hope you thanked them. It would be good to encourage the Market people to respond to this kind of stuff :). For sure I personally thank people at Google working on the issue and bugs happen, so not a big problem in general. But I've to say I'm not impressed with the timing of the response, since it appears they started responding with much delay, when a lot of people here got upset and puzzled about what was happening. Since the bug has been confirmed, and it's a blatant bug (I mean, it might be difficult to find a fix and apply it, but I'd expect that some consistency check at Google should raise the warning early, especially then the first people start to complain), I hope that anything similar in future will be posted to an official Google blog before so many people start scratching their heads for months. I mean: many other kind of bugs are annoying, but not as annoying as this one, since it has to do with the people's feedback about your app. The feedback channel with users is already broken enough, as it has been said many times, and when you put a big effort in providing yourself the information, the feedback channels, you try to fix bugs and add features that people are asking for, and you see what's supposed to be the most important metric decreasing (*), well, you might be tempted to give up (especially if you're on a free project). (*) Downloads are not the most important thing for me. They are somewhat a measure of how you good are in making people aware of you, while the active install ratio is the measure of how much people like your stuff. In this situation, with downloads steadily increasing and active ratio steadily decreasing, I've been thinking for a long time that I was relatively good in inform people of my product, but I was describing it a cut above its real value. Sort of good ad, bad implementation. Fortunately, it *could* not be that way. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - We make Java work. Everywhere. java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
My guess from the wording of the answer is that market will be able to adjust the numbers when apps check for updates. But, it's just a guess :). Sincerely, Brad Gies --- Bistro Bot - Bistro Blurb http://bgies.com http://bistroblurb.com http://ihottonight.com http://forcethetruth.com --- Everything in moderation, including abstinence Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed. It is the only thing that ever has - Margaret Mead On 18/09/2010 11:40 AM, Pent wrote: We'd like to give you an update on this issue. We've previously stated that some application updates are incorrectly being counted as pure uninstalls rather than updates, causing the active installs metric to drop. We have now identified the root cause, and are working on a fix that we hope to release next week. However, due to the nature of the interaction between the Market client and our reporting infrastructure, it may take up to several weeks for your metrics in the Developer Console to return to normal. Again, we apologize for any inconvenience, and will keep you posted on our progress. Thanks for the update. Hope they're not just going to rely on future installs to bring the figure up again as it sounds Pent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
That's crazy. I'm really curios why they are not able to deliver reliable metrics. First issue of such a nature occurred four or five months ago and still not fixed. What is so difficult on this metric? I always thought that Google employs first class brains, best in the industry. They are able to do a lot of magics in other products so why they are not able to sum a few numbers? What is the architecture that makes the trouble? Tom Dne 18.9.2010 19:37 Peter Sinnott psinn...@gmail.com napsal/a: Received this update this morning : Hello, We'd like to give you an update on this issue. We've previously stated that some application updates are incorrectly being counted as pure uninstalls rather than updates, causing the active installs metric to drop. We have now identified the root cause, and are working on a fix that we hope to release next week. However, due to the nature of the interaction between the Market client and our reporting infrastructure, it may take up to several weeks for your metrics in the Developer Console to return to normal. Again, we apologize for any inconvenience, and will keep you posted on our progress. Thank you for your continued patience. On Sep 15, 10:43 am, Pent tas...@dinglisch.net wrote: Thanks for writing in. We are currently investigating this issue. So far, this appears ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
Actually, I am very impressed with the response, and I hope you thanked them. It would be good to encourage the Market people to respond to this kind of stuff :). It's also a bit of relieve to me. I released a Beta app about 3 weeks ago, and several updates since then fixing problems, and the quoted install percentage was a bit disconcerting to me :). BUT... from what it sounds like my numbers are not going to be nearly as bad as they look right now. I'm guessing that the short turnaround for updates in the Beta app was really contributing to the bug in the numbers :). Sincerely, Brad Gies --- Bistro Bot - Bistro Blurb http://bgies.com http://bistroblurb.com http://ihottonight.com http://forcethetruth.com --- Everything in moderation, including abstinence Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed. It is the only thing that ever has - Margaret Mead On 18/09/2010 10:37 AM, Peter Sinnott wrote: Received this update this morning : Hello, We'd like to give you an update on this issue. We've previously stated that some application updates are incorrectly being counted as pure uninstalls rather than updates, causing the active installs metric to drop. We have now identified the root cause, and are working on a fix that we hope to release next week. However, due to the nature of the interaction between the Market client and our reporting infrastructure, it may take up to several weeks for your metrics in the Developer Console to return to normal. Again, we apologize for any inconvenience, and will keep you posted on our progress. Thank you for your continued patience. On Sep 15, 10:43 am, Penttas...@dinglisch.net wrote: Thanks for writing in. We are currently investigating this issue. So far, this appears to be purely a reporting issue: some update events are being inaccurately recorded as uninstalls, rather than updates, creating a lower active installs percentage. However, our investigation tells us that applications are not actually being uninstalled. We hope to have a resolution soon. This fits, actually. I had been holding steady at around 50%. Released my first update for a month yesterday evening and now I'm down to 45%. Pent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:44 AM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: Posted this in the other thread. We received a comment from the Market people: Thanks for writing in. We are currently investigating this issue. So far, this appears to be purely a reporting issue: some update events are being inaccurately recorded as uninstalls, rather than updates, creating a lower active installs percentage. However, our investigation tells us that applications are not actually being uninstalled. We hope to have a resolution soon. This is crazy. Tom -- http://android.hubalek.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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The same. I'm absolutely not able to track whether newly implemented changes caused more active installs or less active installs. I really don't understand why omnipotent Google is not able to fix so trivial stuff like reporting. I would like to get explanation what is preventing them from make solid stats. I would like to get explanation why it take ONE MOTH to get info that they are aware of the issue and they are working on it. Is Android Market just side project maintained by Google volunteers in their leisure time? Are developers like us important for Google? I have really bad feeling from Android Market overall. AM is probably my biggest disillusion in Android world :-( Tom On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Albert albert8...@googlemail.com wrote: This is crazy. Tom Indeed it is. One of my apps is dropping the percentage active installs by 0.50 %, and the other is increasing by 0.50%. I was happily thinking the new updates have attracted users to use the app more, but after these issues one can't be sure... Alberto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- --- Tom Hubalek (tom.huba...@gmail.com), http://android.hubalek.net, http://blog.hubalek.net/ http://facebook.com/thubalek, http://www.linkedin.com/in/thubalek http://twitter.com/thubalek, http://twitter.com/android_dev_tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Droid rod...@gmail.com wrote: If you put an update out it tempts a few (me usually) to uninstall the App - I usually figure that its not worth my time updating it Interesting. I'm usually curious to see what has been added (if anything) so I always update - even apps I don't really use anymore. and I do not want it to auto update incase it installs a nasty Installs a nasty? Is that what the kids are calling it these days? so I delete it and figure I can always get it when I want it again. Unless it's unpublished or otherwise yanked from the Market. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: Original poster here. Still doing worse. High of 70%, was at 54% on Aug 14 when I first posted, now at 36%. Uninstalls are still happening at a higher rate than installs. Gauging from feedback, overall satisfaction is still high. Posted this in the other thread. We received a comment from the Market people: Thanks for writing in. We are currently investigating this issue. So far, this appears to be purely a reporting issue: some update events are being inaccurately recorded as uninstalls, rather than updates, creating a lower active installs percentage. However, our investigation tells us that applications are not actually being uninstalled. We hope to have a resolution soon. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
Everyone with this issue should try this link: http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/request.py?contact_type=publisher Meanwhile my paid app % is approaching that of my free version, which is simply ridiculous, and I've dropped 3 spots in my category. How are you guys doing? Better, same, worse? - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/13/10 20:11 , Zsolt Vasvari wrote: My app, one day last week dropped 3%, which is almost impossible. I have a 4.87 with 70 ratings... For me, it seems now stable at 31/32%. Active installs are now increasing again. A few positive reviews and even a new 5-stars. - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - We make Java work. Everywhere. java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyOpq4ACgkQeDweFqgUGxeGGwCbBVfdR9p/eugCnJ7EjnuedmFX 84oAnRi9QyiZ21Zz1LjFkWuFnUXoKS6/ =g5NS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/10/10 23:57 , tdieckman wrote: Second, I have a paid license key for my app on the market. I've been keeping records daily to watch trends (why can't the console do this for us)? Anyway, my total sales figure right now is 584 paid downloads, while my active downloads of that paid app is only 452 as of two days ago. If I add the number of cancelled purchases (71) to my paid purchases (584), I end up with 655 which is more than the 639 that the console shows. I know that the console doesn't update as frequently, I've gotten about 10 downloads per day over the last few days, so that would mean the console is off by more than a day. Well, thanks - your check against paid downloads is one of the most interesting pieces of information in this thread and sounds a solid proof that, at least in some cases, the number are buggy. - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - We make Java work. Everywhere. java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyLteQACgkQeDweFqgUGxfxHACfb4ZgBVtOWb8Qq6dcHOcu8CsK tK4AmgMCqbYGqHiKSB30XNjxaNIA8qc2 =pcKj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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On 09/10/2010 08:10 AM, metal mikey wrote: My hypothesis is that since instructions came out as to how to setup the emulator with Android Marketplace, spammers/weirdos have used tons of gmail accounts to download Apps then uninstall them with the intent of throwing stats off. I have not clue whether you are right about that, but one thing is for sure: I've seen several users in that last few weeks who somehow have managed to download the most recent version of one of my apps and somehow installed it in a device running 1.1 (presumably a G1). As I've set minimum SDK to 1.5 there must have bit of force involved. I have used some calls that don't exist in 1.1 so therefore the app crashes with a VerifyError and thanks to Mads @ nullwire I get that stack trace. It had me confused for a while, but I guess you have to expect everything, really... The IP address of the last one seems to end up in Madrid (where my app is pretty useless anyway). Just my few eurocents / Jonas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On 09/10/2010 09:51 PM, Peter Sinnott wrote: [...] In short, market place goes nuts and forgets the app is installed. User has app but never gets updates and possibly is removed from active installs. Well, I've seen several more confusing things related to Market installs and upgrades in the last two months or so. On my own phones I've had several duplicated download going on, but most of the time it sorts itself once the download succeeds. On a few occasions upgrades (even of my own apps and Google Goggles/Maps) have kept failing for up to 24 hours until finally succeeding - in some cases I've imagined that a reboot has helped, but that may have been coincidence. Still, it *HAS* sorted itself after semi-reasonable time in my personaly experince, but a few days ago I had to help one of my users who had got stuck in upgrading for several days. After trying all the tricks I did myself, we finally resorted to wiping is account settings and re-registering with market (same account). This helped. (The next step would have been a full factory reset.) This is somewhat alarming. The Market *SERVER* can't be bogged down with users already, can it? I'd suspect a buggy old Market app, but this particular user was running stock 2.2 on a HTC Desire, and I had my problems on stock NexusOne (2.2) and stock Milestone (2.1update1). That's rather up to date IMHO. Best / Jonas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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WE DEFINITELY NEED GOOGLE'S EXPLANATION Something is going wrong and nobody explained it. I believe we should move to http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market?hl=en and ask Google's employees for explanation. Tom On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Peter Sinnott psinn...@gmail.com wrote: My active install percent has been dropping since the 25th of August. Bit of a bummer since it had been rising more or less consistently as new versions were released and I was hoping this was reflecting the increasing quality of my app. I had a strange and unsettling experience today that may be relevant. I was checking for updates in the market and there was one for AppBrain. I started downloading the update and left the market. I was notified the download (or maybe the install) failed so I re-entered the market. The market thought the download was still in progress so I cancelled it. After cancellation the market no longer thought AppBrain was installed but it was still on the phone as far as I could tell. I rebooted but that changed nothing. I installed it again via the market. During the install the market seemed to know AppBrain was installed (as if it was installed outside the market e.g via adb). In short, market place goes nuts and forgets the app is installed. User has app but never gets updates and possibly is removed from active installs. I was on the bus home from work so this (as with all user reports) recollection may not be 100% accurate but it is a possible explanation. Thanks, Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- --- Tom Hubalek (tom.huba...@gmail.com), http://android.hubalek.net, http://blog.hubalek.net/ http://facebook.com/thubalek, http://www.linkedin.com/in/thubalek http://twitter.com/thubalek, http://twitter.com/android_dev_tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
2010/9/10 Tomáš Hubálek tom.huba...@gmail.com I believe we should move to http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market?hl=en and ask Google's employees for explanation. That's being tried: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=2ad7b50d916b941bhl=en So far no response from Google. Who's shocked? Raise your hands. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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This is sad, but kind of brings up another question, which I don't think anyone on this list can answer: Is Google really serious about creating a viable ecosystem for developers around Android Market? Or are things considered more or less fine the way they are? Or, to rephrase this slightly differently: what were the expectations of Google's Board of Directors when decided to acquire Android, Inc.? AFAIK, Google makes money primarily from advertising. Getting Android to TVs is very important to support that, also integration with Google mail and other online services (pulls people to G's sites). Is Market a priority in the same way as selling advertising is? Who knows... -- Kostya Vasilyev -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com 11.09.2010 1:11 пользователь TreKing treking...@gmail.com написал: 2010/9/10 Tomáš Hubálek tom.huba...@gmail.com I believe we should move to http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market?hl=en and ask ... That's being tried: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=2ad7b50d916b941bhl=en So far no response from Google. Who's shocked? Raise your hands. - ... You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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2010/9/10 Tomáš Hubálek tom.huba...@gmail.com: WE DEFINITELY NEED GOOGLE'S EXPLANATION Something is going wrong and nobody explained it. I believe we should move to http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market?hl=en and ask Google's employees for explanation. Tom Google doesn't do support, get used to it like the rest of us have. The best you can hope for is an Android developer explaining how Market developers don't read this list... and heaven forbid anyone forward a message to one of them. -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com wrote: Is Google really serious about creating a viable ecosystem for developers around Android Market? If actions speak louder than words, I think that's a resounding NO. Is Market a priority in the same way as selling advertising is? Who knows... I do. It's not. Everyone can also try emailing the support address: android-market-supp...@google.com. I got an email from there once, for participating in the support forum. I replied and actually got a response - a completely BS, half-assed response, but a response nonetheless - and by Google standards that's something! I've already emailed them about this and no response. Perhaps if everyone else tries ... *repeatedly* ... they'll take a hint. One can dream. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't that odd? Indeed. Did you see what happens to the counts if you uninstall them? - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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If you need assistance with controlled installs/uninstalls I can help you with two phones, just send me instructions to my email. Tom On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: I will try that right now. Good thinking. Report back tomorrow. -John On Sep 5, 2:05 am, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't that odd? Indeed. Did you see what happens to the counts if you uninstall them? --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- --- Tom Hubalek (tom.huba...@gmail.com), http://android.hubalek.net, http://blog.hubalek.net/ http://facebook.com/thubalek, http://www.linkedin.com/in/thubalek http://twitter.com/thubalek, http://twitter.com/android_dev_tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: BTW, I find it very disturbing that nobody from Google has confirmed that there are no ongoing known bugs with the Market, as I and others have asked about in this thread. Really? That's really par for the course around here, unfortunately. There is also a thread on the support forum that I just posted to and also silence over there, as usual. http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=2ad7b50d916b941bhl=enfid=2ad7b50d916b941b00048f699d206432 You guys may want to follow that discussion as well. I just did a comparison between all Charged sales in Google Checkout and my install count for my paid app. (Installed / Total Charged) = 56.8% - so supposedly barely half of people that paid for and kept the app have it installed, which I find hard to believe. Meanwhile (Total Charged / Total Downloaded) = 92%, which seem a little more realistic for a paid app, though it's probably not really that high. Maybe the Market is tracking people uninstalling (-1 active install), but not adding it back if they re-install ... ? - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
This is just a question that I have been wondering about related to this.
When I published one of my apps many months ago, I selected All
Locations. However, I only have data in my app for Canada, and the US.,
and it is English only. The app would be handy for any English speaker
that is planning on visiting Canada/US but for the most part, it's
really only handy if you live here. I expected about 50% of users that
download my app would uninstall it because they don't live in North
America, and wouldn't get much use out of it.
But, now my installed percentage is only 38%... it was 48% only a few
weeks ago.. then it also started dropping.
The question is: Has anyone experimented to find out whether your
installed percentage climbs if you only publish to those locations that
would get the most use out of your app? And a followup question :). In
your opinion, is it worth changing the Locations now? FYI.. I just did
it, so I might be able to answer this in a month or so :).
Sincerely,
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On 31/08/2010 3:45 AM, { Devdroid } wrote:
As a side note, how are you guys tracking the daily history of stats?
I suppose there's no automated way, right? So we have to set up a
spreadsheet and daily copy the data, right?
There's Market API:
http://code.google.com/p/android-market-api/
you may want to try to use to automate data stats as it seems to export most of
data you may want. Not that we tried it yet
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/3/10 21:03 , Brad Gies wrote: This is just a question that I have been wondering about related to this. When I published one of my apps many months ago, I selected All Locations. However, I only have data in my app for Canada, and the US., and it is English only. The app would be handy for any English speaker that is planning on visiting Canada/US but for the most part, it's really only handy if you live here. I expected about 50% of users that download my app would uninstall it because they don't live in North America, and wouldn't get much use out of it. But, now my installed percentage is only 38%... it was 48% only a few weeks ago.. then it also started dropping. The question is: Has anyone experimented to find out whether your installed percentage climbs if you only publish to those locations that would get the most use out of your app? And a followup question :). In your opinion, is it worth changing the Locations now? FYI.. I just did it, so I might be able to answer this in a month or so :). I could have a similar problem (I have bird lists that are localized for large areas, let's say continents). As far as I can tell, the bulk of the initial downloads were from UK (and initially I supported a bird list for Europe). People from USA started asking for supporting North America, and at a certain point I released this new feature. In spite of a clear tip placed on the home activity, I've gotten a few feedback from US people not understanding that they have what they need... But this doesn't explain why there are no more active users from the UK/Europe in general. FYI, my number is still going down (32% from 45%) and the absolute figure is about 20 units down from a couple of weeks ago. BTW, I find it very disturbing that nobody from Google has confirmed that there are no ongoing known bugs with the Market, as I and others have asked about in this thread. - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - We make Java work. Everywhere. java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyBXSEACgkQeDweFqgUGxcZ6gCdGji29XFDLKd4PoKIZco5i4k/ UYAAn02s38VaAOne9J25iMLoly23yTOM =i2Nz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/31/10 00:00 , Doug wrote: Here's a scary thought. What if, during development, every time you installed and uninstalled your app on your phone, Android phones home with an uninstall. Maybe that's a new feature of Froyo. Please, someone prove this wrong on this. :-) I've thought about that (with the exception that the new feature could be just due to an update on the Market - my own development phone is still running 2.1). This doesn't explain the facts, in my case. My active install ratio is still dropping :-( I got to 33%, down to 45/46% of two weeks ago, and I only disinstalled from my phone 3/4 times. I'd really like to have the feedback from Google engineering that there are no possible bugs in the market. Sure there are chances new users are not understanding something (my app provides features per geographic area, recently I've advertised the extension to North America, and users might not been able to spot it - in spite of a tip message on the home screen). But even one comment market that would suggest me this is in form of please add support... and means that the user didn't uninstall the application. - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - We make Java work. Everywhere. java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkx8s0EACgkQeDweFqgUGxe99wCfSIumtqh7py5ENGXu20Ea8XZv 9K8AoI8ylhKu6zXio1K8JtMev9M+GA3h =fYdn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
Hello, I believe that this is some systemic issue with Android Market. Look at average deltas of my two apps. Both dropped significantly around August 28, 2010 and now they are getting slowly to original values. One my app: Date Average daily delta 3.8.2010 20:00:00 1 018 5.8.2010 8:00:00 1 081 8.8.2010 20:00:00 1 056 15.8.2010 20:00:00 888 19.8.2010 8:00:00 788 25.8.2010 8:00:00 445 28.8.2010 8:00:00 158 28.8.2010 20:00:00 31 29.8.2010 20:00:00 318 30.8.2010 12:00:00 835 Second my app: 3.8.2010 20:00:00 71 5.8.2010 8:00:00 74 8.8.2010 20:00:00 86 15.8.2010 20:00:00 40 19.8.2010 8:00:00 13 25.8.2010 8:00:00 13 28.8.2010 8:00:00 7 28.8.2010 20:00:00 18 29.8.2010 20:00:00 48 30.8.2010 12:00:00 77 I WANT EXPLANATION FROM GOOGLE as I don't trust number from Google. How I can be sure that sales are measured correctly? Tom On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/31/10 00:00 , Doug wrote: Here's a scary thought. What if, during development, every time you installed and uninstalled your app on your phone, Android phones home with an uninstall. Maybe that's a new feature of Froyo. Please, someone prove this wrong on this. :-) I've thought about that (with the exception that the new feature could be just due to an update on the Market - my own development phone is still running 2.1). This doesn't explain the facts, in my case. My active install ratio is still dropping :-( I got to 33%, down to 45/46% of two weeks ago, and I only disinstalled from my phone 3/4 times. I'd really like to have the feedback from Google engineering that there are no possible bugs in the market. Sure there are chances new users are not understanding something (my app provides features per geographic area, recently I've advertised the extension to North America, and users might not been able to spot it - in spite of a tip message on the home screen). But even one comment market that would suggest me this is in form of please add support... and means that the user didn't uninstall the application. - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - We make Java work. Everywhere. java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkx8s0EACgkQeDweFqgUGxe99wCfSIumtqh7py5ENGXu20Ea8XZv 9K8AoI8ylhKu6zXio1K8JtMev9M+GA3h =fYdn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- --- Tom Hubalek (tom.huba...@gmail.com), http://android.hubalek.net, http://blog.hubalek.net/ http://facebook.com/thubalek, http://www.linkedin.com/in/thubalek http://twitter.com/thubalek, http://twitter.com/android_dev_tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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As google take a percentage of every sale surely its in there interest to get this right? Kind regards, Sy On 31 Aug 2010 09:01, Tomáš Hubálek tom.huba...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I believe that this is some systemic issue with Android Market. Look at average deltas of my two apps. Both dropped significantly around August 28, 2010 and now they are getting slowly to original values. One my app: Date Average daily delta 3.8.2010 20:00:00 1 018 5.8.2010 8:00:00 1 081 8.8.2010 20:00:00 1 056 15.8.2010 20:00:00 888 19.8.2010 8:00:00 788 25.8.2010 8:00:00 445 28.8.2010 8:00:00 158 28.8.2010 20:00:00 31 29.8.2010 20:00:00 318 30.8.2010 12:00:00 835 Second my app: 3.8.2010 20:00:00 71 5.8.2010 8:00:00 74 8.8.2010 20:00:00 86 15.8.2010 20:00:00 40 19.8.2010 8:00:00 13 25.8.2010 8:00:00 13 28.8.2010 8:00:00 7 28.8.2010 20:00:00 18 29.8.2010 20:00:00 48 30.8.2010 12:00:00 77 I WANT EXPLANATION FROM GOOGLE as I don't trust number from Google. How I can be sure that sales are measured correctly? Tom On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: ---... -- --- Tom Hubalek (tom.huba...@gmail.com), http://android.hubalek.net, http://blog.hubalek.net/ http://facebook.com/thubalek, http://www.linkedin.com/in/thubalek http://twitter.com/thubalek, http://twitter.com/android_dev_tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers g... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/31/10 10:04 , Simon Platten wrote: As google take a percentage of every sale surely its in there interest to get this right? In the past there have been bugs related to some apps not being visible on the Market (see Tim Bray's blog). I suppose that also in that case Google interest was to have the apps visible :-) Bugs happen, of course. As a side note, how are you guys tracking the daily history of stats? I suppose there's no automated way, right? So we have to set up a spreadsheet and daily copy the data, right? - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - We make Java work. Everywhere. java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkx8uk8ACgkQeDweFqgUGxfiJwCfa5OOzkMs7s52eHiSUy3gZoeH WaoAn0tkeTh4vfAIFj415tCsrytiVP7P =Qli+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: As a side note, how are you guys tracking the daily history of stats? I suppose there's no automated way, right? So we have to set up a spreadsheet and daily copy the data, right? It is manual work. From time to time I look at developer console and copy three infos: date, downloads, installs. Then I calculate difference between dates as number of days and difference between downloads and calculate average daily deltas. I'm using this to evaluation of impact of new features and bugs reported. I'm really unhappy when I can't trust these numbers. Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
As a side note, how are you guys tracking the daily history of stats? I suppose there's no automated way, right? So we have to set up a spreadsheet and daily copy the data, right? There's Market API: http://code.google.com/p/android-market-api/ you may want to try to use to automate data stats as it seems to export most of data you may want. Not that we tried it yet -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
2010/8/30 Tomáš Hubálek tom.huba...@gmail.com I don't think that number of installs has influence on ranking. There are apps with worse rating and less downloads than mine ahead of me. I would really expect total installs to be the biggest factor. There's a big difference between the number of *installs* and the number of *downloads*. Those apps in front of you may have fewer downloads but an overall higher install % which puts them in front of you. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: a commenter pointed out that when people upgrade an app the download counter might increase, while the active install doesn't That would make sense and explain why pushing out an update makes it drop faster. Guess we'll just have to wait for a blog post. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen this drop as well. It's been uncharacteristically large from a historical standpoint. Same here. I've been steadily dropping and after an update over the weekend it's picked up. I'm now down about 22% from my peak. Meanwhile I'm on track to have the best month yet. Could be the active installs lagging behind the download count numbers, which would drop the install / download ratio in this fashion if you had a good rate of sales. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On 17 August 2010 03:15, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: I think user retention rate is a great ingredient to add to the special sauce of a ranking algorithm because it's an indicator of satisfied customers. That's something you can't derive from download activity. I think of a satisfied user as one who believes the app does what it is intended to do and does it better than any other app. Retention rate is not a good measure for this, IMHO. User retention rate is a measure of how useful the app is to the general public. Rating is a measure of the quality of the app. A user may be satisfied with an app but if its not as useful as their other apps then it will be uninstalled as soon as space runs out. I get the impression that the vast majority of downloads are from curious users. For a niche app which is high up the rankings, many users only want to download it to see why it's so higly ranked, They have no intention of using the app, so it will be uninstalled pretty quickly. For my main app, users 10 times more likely to rate pro version than free version, and 20 times more likely to leave a comment. Free app rated 4.5 (50% active installs), paid app rated 4.9 (70% active installs, 10% refunds). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps it has a lot to do with the way it's crippled. Many Android users have this strange notion that everything should be really free! This in particular is very annoying. I have a few comment on my free version along the lines of X should really be free, Need feature Y but not enough to pay, or very limited ... when the description reads Limited / Basic Version. People spend ~$200 for a phone, ~$50 / month for the plan and then bitch about spending less than $5 for an app. Amazing. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On 16 August 2010 19:41, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: If Google just came clean on the algorithm that is used to calculate rankings, then we'd know for sure if there's anything to worry about. It's extremely unlikely they would do that. All we can do is try to encourage them to use a fair/accurate ranking algorithm. For example, there's a world of difference between a high quality niche app (high rating, low active install rate) and a lower quality general-purpose app (lower rating, high active install rate). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
Thanks - that's very useful (at least, for my more popular apps!) The results are definitely skewed though. For example, I'm not seeing nearly as many users from China compared to what my analytics tells me. On 16 August 2010 09:29, mathijs math...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 15, 9:40 am, Mark Carter mjc1...@googlemail.com wrote: Would also like to see a better breakdown of users/devices for the downloads. AppBrain recently launched a developer dashboard. If enough AppBrain users have your app installed, you can see stats on user's devices, SDK levels, and even age and gender. It also provides options for free and paid app promotion. More information is here: http://www.appbrain.com/info/developer-dashboard Best regards, Mathijs / AppBrain team -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Is anyone's active install % dropping like a rock lately?
On 15 August 2010 09:40, Mark Carter mjc1...@googlemail.com wrote: Back to the original question... yes, I've also noticed a bit of a dip in the active install % for my paid apps, though can't be sure exactly when this happened. I also find it hard to believe that so many people buy the app, don't cancel/refund, and then uninstall. I did some checks on our stats and I tend to admit there's something wrong with that counter. I see downloads increasing on regular rate but installs go up smaller, at the same time i see no negative comments nor anything that would indicate app failures that could lead to mass uninstall. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
