Re: [Anima] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-15

2018-05-31 Thread Eliot Lear
I have reviewed the document and we have a PoC.  I am also aware of others that have done PoC code. I am not aware of any issues. Eliot On 31.05.18 03:56, Toerless Eckert wrote: > Dear ANIMA WG, > > After thorough review and discussions on the mailing list and in bootstrap > meetings, leading

[Anima] references to code ? (was: Re: WG Last Call on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-15)

2018-05-31 Thread Toerless Eckert
Thanks, Eliot Good point, forgot to ask/mention this point in my previous emails. As an ANIMA contributor, i would love for a draft/->RFC like BRSKI to mention known existing implementations, especially open source, even if just PoC. But i have no idea if and/or how thats seen to be

Re: [Anima] references to code ? (was: Re: WG Last Call on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-15)

2018-05-31 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 08:48:18PM +0200, Eliot Lear wrote: > > I am only aware of github.com/cisco/libest, but would love to see > > any known code be mentioned. Single sentence with references to > > appropriate URLs to those implementations would suffice IMHO. > > What do others think/know

Re: [Anima] references to code ? (was: Re: WG Last Call on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-15)

2018-05-31 Thread Eliot Lear
On 31.05.18 20:43, Toerless Eckert wrote: > Thanks, Eliot > > Good point, forgot to ask/mention this point in my previous emails. > > As an ANIMA contributor, i would love for a draft/->RFC like BRSKI to > mention known existing implementations, especially open source, even if just > PoC. > >

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Michael Richardson
Toerless Eckert wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 03:07:15PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: >> > I would prefer to have the simple definition "ANI == systems that support >> > both BRSKI and ACP" in the doc itself. Threre is really no single authoritative >> > normative

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Michael Richardson
Toerless Eckert wrote: > 1. The GRASP specification of 4.1.1 should only describe what is required > and valid for the standard of GRASP objective, which is the TCP proxy. > Appendix C proxy option is not full/formally worked out, thats why > its in an appendix. If the authors

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Michael Richardson
Toerless Eckert wrote: >> > f) IMPORTANT: Please add/define the term "ANI" >> >> > ANI - "Autonomic Network Infrastructure". Systems that support both BRSKI and >> > Autonomic Control plane - ACP ([I-D.ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane]). ANI >> > systems (pledges,

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Michael Richardson
Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 31/05/2018 13:53, Toerless Eckert wrote: > ... >> 4.1.1: >> >>> transport-proto = IPPROTO_TCP / IPPROTO_UDP / IPPROTO_IPV6 >> >> The way i see it, the normative approach with TCP circuit proxy would >> always only have TCP, right,

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 03:07:15PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > I would prefer to have the simple definition "ANI == systems that > support > > both BRSKI and ACP" in the doc itself. Threre is really no single > authoritative > > normative document for ANI, so it should

Re: [Anima] references to code ?

2018-05-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 01/06/2018 09:58, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> This should be in a special section "Implementation Status [RFC Editor: >> please remove]" according to RFC7942/BCP0205. We have such a section in >> draft-ietf-anima-grasp-15. > > I question the value of

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Michael Richardson
Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> > An RFC specifying that would therefore have to declare itself to be >> > an update of GRASP. I don't think this is a big deal. It would become >> >> I think that you mean, update of BRSKI rather than "update of GRASP". > Possibly both, because

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 01/06/2018 07:35, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Toerless Eckert wrote: > > 1. The GRASP specification of 4.1.1 should only describe what is > required > > and valid for the standard of GRASP objective, which is the TCP proxy. > > > Appendix C proxy option is not full/formally

Re: [Anima] references to code ?

2018-05-31 Thread Michael Richardson
Brian E Carpenter wrote: > This should be in a special section "Implementation Status [RFC Editor: > please remove]" according to RFC7942/BCP0205. We have such a section in > draft-ietf-anima-grasp-15. I question the value of adding that section during WGLC. okay, it might sit in

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 01/06/2018 07:31, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Toerless Eckert wrote: > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 03:07:15PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > >> > I would prefer to have the simple definition "ANI == systems that > support > >> > both BRSKI and ACP" in the doc itself. Threre

Re: [Anima] references to code ?

2018-05-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
This should be in a special section "Implementation Status [RFC Editor: please remove]" according to RFC7942/BCP0205. We have such a section in draft-ietf-anima-grasp-15. Regards Brian On 01/06/2018 07:13, Toerless Eckert wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 08:48:18PM +0200, Eliot Lear wrote:

Re: [Anima] references to code ? (was: Re: WG Last Call on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-15)

2018-05-31 Thread Michael Richardson
Toerless Eckert wrote: > Good point, forgot to ask/mention this point in my previous emails. > As an ANIMA contributor, i would love for a draft/->RFC like BRSKI to > mention known existing implementations, especially open source, even if just PoC. IDs have included