Hi Ole:
Owen has explained the litigation clause in a much better English than I do.
I would rather EC not even consider to table such resolution.
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 at 22:12 Ole Jacobsen wrote:
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> Cutting this down considerably to improve readability:
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> You said:
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> Yes, RIR is owned
Hi Ole:
See my reply in-line:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 at 21:06 Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> Inline, starts with ***OLE
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> On Aug 21, 2023, at 09:14, Lu Heng wrote:
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> Hi Ole:
>
> I know the history well enough, while it all start with good intention, it
> just need to evolv
erial (such as copyrighted content and child
> abuse material). To my knowledge, no RIR would request this level of
> information without reasonable cause. They had good reason to do so.
>
You better prove such good reason in the court.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
>
> adverse effects of the disclosure) or if they are in possession of
> knowledge which poses a threat to human life and disclosing said
> information would prevent such threat.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
>
> On 21 Aug 2023, at 3:11 pm, Lu Heng wrote:
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&
ablecompany.com
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> www.unitedcablecompany.com
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> <https://www.instagram.com/unitedcableco/>
> <https://twitter.com/unitedcableco>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/unitedcablecompany/>
> <https://unitedcablecompany.com/video>
>
> --
scarce situation.
Otherwise you are simply misleading here.
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 at 10:25 Simon Sharwood wrote:
> Lu Heng wrote:
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> > What’s your problem with member owning their resource?
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> I never said I had a problem with it!
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> I raised the point that the
Hi Simon:
You are mixing two fundamentally different thing.
Public ownership only works well when the resource is infinite, just like
IP address for it’s first 20 years.
When resource become limited,scarce, public ownership and central
distribution only creates disaster.
Human used to have
and amalgamated into
>other RIRs, and that RIR will revoke your holdings.
>
> It won't happen today, it probably won't happen tomorrow and it most
> likely won't happen next week either. It will happen, and the internet will
> be watching.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
, just
let them loss their money by stockpiling the space, what’s your problem
with it?
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
> --
> *From:* Lu Heng
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 19, 2023 7:25 PM
>
> *To:* Christopher Hawker
> *Cc:* APNIC TALK ; Karl K
Hi Chris,
Actually, we do own those resources, currently RIR think people don’t own
it, we are about to change that.
Have delusional policy in front of a billion dollar transfer market, will
only future create instability to the system.
We are here for the members to have free internet, own
t that perfect and selfless.
Again, market is the only solution known to man to date works fairly well
in any limited resources, be that as food or gold.
>
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
> --
> *From:* Lu Heng
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 19, 2023 6:11 PM
v6 when they are ready and have the confidence to do so, not
> because "social economy" says that they must.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
> --
> *From:* Lu Heng
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 19, 2023 5:51 PM
> *To:* Christopher Hawker
&g
uot;!
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
> --
> *From:* Lu Heng
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 19, 2023 5:34 PM
> *To:* Karl Kloppenborg
> *Cc:* APNIC TALK ; Ole J. Jacobsen <
> olejacob...@me.com>
>
> *Subject:* [apnic-talk] Re: Why RIR at turning point
umber of organisations...
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
> --
> *From:* Lu Heng
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 19, 2023 4:18 PM
> *To:* Christopher Hawker
> *Cc:* Barry Raveendran Greene ; tommy...@8lian.cn <
> tommy...@8lian.cn>; apnic-talk@lists.apnic.
c
>2. https://www.itweb.co.za/content/DZQ58vV8P43MzXy2
>3. https://tools.tracemyip.org/search--isp/cloud+innovation+ltd
>4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserved_IP_addresses
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>
> *From: *Lu Heng
> *Date: *Saturday, 19 August 2023 at 4:12 pm
ity? Is a charge placed
> upon your resources? What jurisdiction oversees this?
>
> The current process has worked for decades. I don't see any reason for
> such a major change.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
> --
> *From:* Lu Heng
>
As a private entity, who then leases IPv4 (and we note, not even providing
> internet), it is now at your discretion, who you wish to provide them to.
>
>
>
> Your agenda seems to not address how you won’t become the central “power
> point”.
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> Please explain.
>
Hi Barry:
in order to avoid everything you said, decentralize it, let each ISP own
their registration, no central power point, no power struggle.
We will not need any grace from anyone, there is no central power,
uniqueness guaranteed by everyone instead of one single organization.
On Sat, 19
rnet apart.
decentralization is in everyone's interest, for the proposer of the
internet hundreds years to come.
On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 at 04:29, Barry Raveendran Greene
wrote:
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> On Aug 19, 2023, at 06:11, Lu Heng wrote:
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> *I am simply ask you since when you have been given t
automatically be APNIC members with nominal
fee and also get one vote.
Every voice matters.
On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 02:53 Barry Raveendran Greene
wrote:
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> On Aug 17, 2023, at 17:25, Lu Heng wrote:
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> PTA DG came to an event specifically in support of my election for the
&g
Hi barry:
*I have not said anything regarding positions of any particular government.*
*You said“The governments in APJ would NOT tolerate what you are implying
as happening. “*
*I am simply ask you since when you have been given the rights to
represents “the governments in APJ” and speak on
I'm sure goes against the core principles of
> LARUS Foundation), rather contradictory if you ask me. A smokescreen
> covering the fact that the less resources that are available in the public
> determines the price. Less resources available = higher costs on the
> secondary marke
https://ipv4.global/reports/july-2023-ipv4-auction-sales-report-copy-141/
> [5] AFRINIC Bylaws 2012 -
> https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/bylaws/afrinic-bylaws-2012-en.pdf
> [ <https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/bylaws/afrinic-bylaws-2012-en.pdf>6] NRO
> Letter to Mauritius Government -
to my local community and have no intention to create unnecessary traffic
> here but will definitely correct anyone with misleading information and
> flat out lies.
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>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 06:14 Aftab Siddiqui
>> wrote:
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users to have their voice
heard and represented.
For people such your own country man from Pakistan where your DG of PTA
have made presentation about how unfair the situation is.
On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 06:14 Aftab Siddiqui
wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 04:57, Lu Heng wrote:
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and make lots of sense.
On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 07:58 Barry Greene wrote:
> Mr Lu,
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> > On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:21 AM, Lu Heng wrote:
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> > Hi Barry:
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> > May I know which governmentS exactly you speaking on behalf with?
> >
> > Or you are s
member to hear candidates’s position during an
>democratic process
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> This couldn't be further from the truth. Again, candidates can contact
> members, if members consent to being contacted and contact details are
> obtain the right way.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
>
&
Hi Barry:
May I know which governmentS exactly you speaking on behalf with?
Or you are saying all 50 plus governments in the region have elected you as
representative?
On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 at 02:19 Barry Raveendran Greene
wrote:
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> > We get it, you all for current in power ones send out
be
> wrong.
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> I agree that RIRs should be held accountable for their actions, if it is
> done in the right way.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
> --
> *From:* Lu Heng
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 16, 2023 12:07 AM
>
> *To:* Christopher Hawker
&
Hi
A simple math here, total 27 extra large member can cast about 7000 vote
all by its own during last election.
And last time the wining vote, in which was historical high, only 5000 vote.
Do we want have an RIR basically run by government department(many of NIRs
are) and large telecoms where
re members of the organisation. What I
> am against, is candidates sending out spam in an attempt to get people to
> vote for them.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
>
> On 15 Aug 2023, at 11:56 pm, Lu Heng wrote:
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> Hi Ole:
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> I suggested a governance
omeone pointing the holes, flaws, false information and
> proving your information as incorrect as a personal attack - stop and
> reconsider what you’re saying in the first place.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
>
>
> On 15 Aug 2023, at 11:26 pm, Lu Heng wrote:
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governance matters.
Hence I stand by my statement.
On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 at 19:47 Ole Jacobsen wrote:
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> On Aug 15, 2023, at 06:25, Lu Heng wrote:
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> 4. You said You don't want members to hear the positions of EC candidates
> and want to keep them in ignorance.
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s a "power hungry individual" is
> attempting to "hold on to [his] power" if it were true, is moot.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
>
> --
> *From:* Lu Heng
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2023 6:06 PM
> *To:* Christopher Hawker
Hi Colleagues:
Just like in the United nation, a country big or small always gets the same
voting power.
We believe in diversity of membership and have members' voices heard, big
or small.
So I advocate EC consider putting one member one vote into the bylaw
reform, in process towards truly
gt; [5] AFRINIC Bylaws 2012 -
> https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/bylaws/afrinic-bylaws-2012-en.pdf
> [ <https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/bylaws/afrinic-bylaws-2012-en.pdf>6] NRO
> Letter to Mauritius Government -
> https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO-Letter-to-Mauritius-Governm
Hi Colleagues:
RIRs were created to solve a technical problem at the time with no
meaningful financial implications and few political implications to the
management of IP number resources. The primary concern was a consistent
unified registry registering unique addresses.
Since
ise.
>
> Thanks,
> Karl.
>
> On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 at 19:30, Lu Heng wrote:
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>> Hi Karl:
>>
>> That is what you told me during the APNIC meeting, you can lie whatever
>> you can of course.
>>
>> I am not saying I believed it, but if you lied in fron
ow that I didn’t vote
>> for Lu, but nice try, I heard you told a journalist that too.
>>
>> —Karl.
>>
>> On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 at 19:26, Lu Heng wrote:
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>>> Hi Karl:
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>>> Thank you for voting for me in last election.
>>
.
On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 at 17:28, Karl Kloppenborg
wrote:
> I’d like it released if possible from APNIC to show that I didn’t vote for
> Lu, but nice try, I heard you told a journalist that too.
>
> —Karl.
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> On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 at 19:26, Lu Heng wrote:
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>> Hi Karl:
>&g
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> Yes Lu, I’m sure it’ll be free, free of RIR charges but not free from
> leasing those valuable resources from LARUS corporation.
>
> Speaking of which, where’s Larissa Santos at? I’m still waiting for her to
> explain her policies.
>
> —Karl.
>
> On Sat, 12 Aug 20
quot; is
> hypocritical. LARUS supports and works with known state-based or
> state-controlled organisations that censor and restrict internet use.
> Before you start advocating for a "free internet" on the world stage, you
> may want to start advocating to your clients.
>
> Regar
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> No one has been hiding the trust deed that was in place for the share held
> by the Director-General. It's only you that seems to have an issue with
> this. You should be ashamed of yourself, referring to the EC as "power
> hungry individuals".
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> Members have al
And to refer to the EC and/or Director-General as "power hungry
> individuals" is downright despicable and disrespectful. The
> Director-General and EC members of past and present have done nothing to
> warrant or justify that terminology being used. I feel a public apology is
> in order.
&
Hi David:
I understand you really like the dictatorship mode where first you then
paul Wilson can change the bylaw without the membership just like recently
demonstrated.
But I am afraid this is not how democracy works.
Just because under paul Wilson’s leader ship, APNIC’s lawyer put road block
move on from this point otherwise it's just a monologue to
> the void. It's almost like practicing your speech to an imaginary audience.
> Who knows, maybe the void will surprise you with a standing ovation one day.
>
> Have a nice weekend.
>
> Regards,
>
> Aftab A. Siddiqui
>
d Cloud Innovation,
> especially since you were a candidate for the last EC, does matter and is
> very relevant in these discussions regarding proposed by-law reforms, given
> your financial interests in these entities.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
> --
> *From
gt; information. I am also quite capable of having a constructive debate with
> people who actually have something to debate, and when the topics are
> factual in nature.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
> --
> *From:* Lu Heng
> *Sent:* Friday, Au
e them as part of an internet service package (along with other
> services such as IP transit, international or domestic backhaul, etc).
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
>
> --
> *From:* Lu Heng
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2023 10:39 PM
>
> *To:*
othing you say will change my mind.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
> --
> *From:* Lu Heng
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2023 9:46 PM
> *To:* Christopher Hawker
> *Cc:* Aftab Siddiqui ; m.ch...@larus.net <
> m.ch...@larus.net>; apnic-talk
> *S
APNIC member. It's called "freedom of speech", which is a basic human
> right.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
> ------
> *From:* Lu Heng
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2023 9:27 PM
> *To:* Christopher Hawker
> *Cc:* Barry Raveendran Greene
excluding all ISPs from APNIC
> governance", that I "don't want them to participate in the voting process"
> and that I am "advocating dictatorship" is simply delusional. I'm 100% in
> support of a free (as in freedom) internet and its governance, and by
> exte
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> *From:* Lu Heng
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2023 9:12 PM
> *To:* Barry Raveendran Greene
> *Cc:* m.ch...@larus.net ; apnic-talk <
> apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net>
> *Subject:* [apnic-talk] Re: Feedback on APNIC proposed By-law reforms
>
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Dear Barry:
You mean you want to exclude me as a community member?
APNIC secretary, can I have a code of conduct enforced here please.
On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 at 19:05, Barry Raveendran Greene
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IP policy is financially incentivised. Any policy that prevents LARUS or
> Cloud Innovation from obtaining resources is a threat to your business
> model, and ultimately, your bank balance.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
>
> --
> *From:* Lu H
Hi Aftab and Chris:
Just listen to what your guys are saying here, the exact same argument in
the past hundreds years fuels nationalism, separationism, and ultimately,
wars.
We (followed by a geographic region or ethnic group) are (better, capable,
talented) compared to (rest of the world, other
Hi Chris:
Governance matters are an obligation of a membership, just like it is your
obligation as a nation's citizen to vote for your leaders, it's basic
democracy 101.
Governance matters are not marketing, don't confuse political discussion
with commercial operation, EC is a vunleary position.
Hi Chris:
I would argue being contacted by candidates is part of your membership
obligation, if you wish to surrender your rights to vote, you are free to
do so and noted to APNIC nad rest of membership, but if you choice to vote
for candidates, in a democratic society, you in default agree to be
Hi Chris:
Your statement about LARUS and Cloud Innovation is simply
misinformation and it is not true. Cloud Innovation, like every other ISP,
obtains the IP address that fully complies with community made policy.
While due to sub judice rules I am not able to future comment on any
ongoing
Dear Colleagues:
I welcome the appointment of lawyers but their remit does not go far
enough. The lawyers should also monitor all EC members and all APNIC staff
as a minimum. It is best practice to appoint truly independent law firms
but the law firm selected by APNIC has very close links to
broader points about the need for a totally new
governance structure for APNIC which I will raise elsewhere as this isn’t
the appropriate place.
But it is right that this issue has been highlighted and thank the
community members for raising it.
--
--
Kind regards.
Lu Heng
Nomination committees of any sort, only create controversies within RIRs.
In ARIN, there have been multiple controversies where qualified
candidates weren't included in the voting process, thereby causing
community backlash.
In AFRINIC, the so-called nomination committee that disqualified
not think I deserve the spotlight
alone.
Wishing all the candidates have a successful election ahead.
Lu Heng
Chief Executive Officer
LARUS Limited
Email H.Lu@LARUS.netmailto:a@outsideheaven.com
Office tel:+852+29888918
Address A3, 11/F, TML Tower, Tsuen Wan, N.T
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> Curious, I clicked to find a campaign page promoting Lu Heng of Larus as a
> candidate for APNIC EC. https://www.larus.net/apnic-ec-election-2022
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