Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and

2003-01-15 Thread Thomas Mueller
Excerpt from Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Several years ago one of the suburbs of Atlanta was having problems with crime, so they passed a very controversial law that everyone must own a gun. Crime dropped 83% within a month of passage. Was this city by any chance Kennesaw GA? They had

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and

2003-01-15 Thread L.D. Best
Thomas, semi-automatic small calibre weapons were, and are, legal in most places where you can have guns at all anymore. What happened is that our Congress decided to define assault rifle ... posession of which is against Fed law ... and being semi-automatic and holding X number of rounds with

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US andthe human rights

2003-01-14 Thread John Sparks
- Original Message - From: L.D. Best [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US andthe human rights snip A few years back, an idiot out to commit suicide drove his truck into a

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-13 Thread Steve
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Sam Ewalt wrote: More guns will equal more shootings. Maybe they can handle their weapons safely in Switzerland but here in the USA we're not doing so hot. Anybody want to deny that obvious fact? GUN OWNERSHIP MANDATORY IN KENNESAW, GEORGIA Crime Rate Plummets - Why

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US andthe human rights

2003-01-13 Thread L.D. Best
The death penalty doesn't act as a deterent to killing, except that the murderer will never murder again. If everyone were armed there MIGHT be a lot more shootings, but it is likely that the people with enough brains to deserve to remain in the gene pool will learn how to use and care for those

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US andthe human rights

2003-01-13 Thread Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ
Very interesting! Maybe the villans moved out off Kennesaw and do their things elsewere? Bastiaan On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:21:19 -0500 (EST), Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Sam Ewalt wrote: More guns will equal more shootings. Maybe they can handle their weapons safely

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-13 Thread Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ
No guns would probably not reduce crime... but will sure reduce the number of casualties dramaticaly! Bastiaan On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 21:30:10 -, John Sparks wrote: - Original Message - From: Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003

Guns [was Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-13 Thread Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ
snip It's a pretty well documented fact that criminals are deterred by the knowledge that potential victims might be armed. That's kinda what I meant by the citizens acting as an armed police force. One of the roles of the police is to deter crime. What I was implying is that the cure

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread Samuel W. Heywood
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:38:37 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:23:43 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: snip Thank you very much.. it is now part of my new sign.txt -- If a country is to remain free its citizens must defy unjust laws. The new anti-terrorism laws abridge the

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread Bart Buitinga
How much difference one man can make in American politics has been wonderfully demonstrated by gov Ryan, who is first to break the myth that the American justice system would be infallible. I sure hope this will reach Tx, too. And before a next war starts, because quite similar to the undeserved

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread John Sparks
- Original Message - From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, John Sparks wrote: snip There are no civilized

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread John Sparks
- Original Message - From: L.D. Best [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:36:03 -, John Sparks wrote: snip Perhaps the

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread Ron Clarke
Hi Folks, On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:33:05 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: Ordinary citizens should not act as a though they were an armed police force. Such behavior is rightfully condemned as vigilantism. It is illegal for them to take the law into their own hands. They do however have the

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread John Sparks
I will have to concede then that in the current USA widespread gun ownership is desirable. I grew up in suburban UK and almost no-one had a gun. I never saw anyone carrying a gun (other than children's toys) and only knew 2 people who owned guns (one an air pistol and one a revolver with no

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:20:46 -, John Sparks wrote: I will have to concede then that in the current USA widespread gun ownership is desirable. I grew up in suburban UK and almost no-one had a gun. I never saw anyone carrying a gun (other than children's toys) and only knew 2 people who

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread John Sparks
- Original Message - From: Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 8:49 PM Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:20:46 -, John Sparks wrote: I will have to

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread Bart Buitinga
Dear friend, Are you suggesting this 18th century constitutional reasoning is tricking you to believe that the US population would stand a chance against the US army if ever...??? Sorry to say but I think you're tragically wrong there. Better look at more recent past (post WW2, or even after the

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread L.D. Best
John, I just realized, as I read through many messages from many people, that I can tell you one good reason to allow people to own firearms and take personal responsibility for the use of those firearms. Recently we had two nuts, with lots of time to plan and top level munitions and

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread Samuel W. Heywood
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:49:27 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:20:46 -, John Sparks wrote: snip But I still believe that no guns is a desirable state of affairs. Why does there seem to be simply the consentration upon no guns as being the answer to preventing crime ?

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-11 Thread Sam Ewalt
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:22:04 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: What is PBS? In the USA it is the Public Broadcasting System--noncommercial television supported by viewer donations and charitable foundations. To be more exact 88% funding from those sources. 12% funding from our tax dollars.

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-11 Thread John Sparks
- Original Message - From: Samuel W. Heywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:41 AM Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights snip There are no civilized countries where the citizens are not

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-11 Thread Samuel W. Heywood
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:36:03 -, John Sparks wrote: - Original Message - From: Samuel W. Heywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:41 AM Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights snip

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-11 Thread L.D. Best
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:36:03 -, John Sparks wrote: snip Perhaps the only truly civilised society would be one where everyone was allowed to own weapons but no-one wanted to take up the option. No ... because fear and hidden agendas could be the reason for persons to not take up the option.

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-11 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:23:43 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: snip Thank you very much.. it is now part of my new sign.txt -- If a country is to remain free its citizens must defy unjust laws. The new anti-terrorism laws abridge the rights of us all. It is time to keep the snoopers busy; how

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-10 Thread Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ
On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 17:00:59 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: I finally got babelfish to translate on the 2nd try [after leaving the Candian JS site called babelfish.com]. That wasn't news to me, because I'd watched the news on PBS. What is PBS? For those of you [in the USA] who would like to be

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-10 Thread Sam Ewalt
On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:28:31 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: What is PBS? In the USA it is the Public Broadcasting System--noncommercial television supported by viewer donations and charitable foundations. Sam Ewalt Croswell, Michigan, USA -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy,

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-10 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:25:18 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:28:31 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: What is PBS? In the USA it is the Public Broadcasting System--noncommercial television supported by viewer donations and charitable foundations. To be more exact 88%

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-10 Thread Samuel W. Heywood
On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:28:31 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 17:00:59 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: snip That said, let's get back to the subject at hand -- the loss of civil and human rights in the name of National Security. It's a bit scarey Very scarey and

Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-09 Thread L.D. Best
I finally got babelfish to translate on the 2nd try [after leaving the Candian JS site called babelfish.com]. That wasn't news to me, because I'd watched the news on PBS. For those of you [in the USA] who would like to be exposed to non- American, non-networked news programs, I highly recommend