Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement

2021-09-21 Thread Mike Burns
ld wrote > On Sep 21, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Mike Burns <mailto:m...@iptrading.com> wrote: > > Hi Noah, > > Thanks for your thoughts, my replies are inline. > > “Transfers are generally a prerogative of brokers who don't necessarily > provide any form

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement

2021-09-21 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Noah, Thanks for your thoughts, my replies are inline. “Transfers are generally a prerogative of brokers who don't necessarily provide any form of network services. It does make sense for a broker to defend this model.” Noah that is a meaningless ad hominem, every transfer has a

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement

2021-09-21 Thread Mike Burns
registration” Regards, Mike From: Isaiah Olson Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 5:07 PM To: Mike Burns ; 'Noah' Cc: 'ARIN-PPML List' Subject: Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement Mike, I would hardly say it's time for a funeral in RIPE, but I would ask, do you

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement

2021-09-21 Thread Mike Burns
I am in total agreement with your sentiment and the requirement for a circuit should continue to stand. Any policy that removes such a requirement would render the management of Internet Number Resources by the registry useless and thereby essentially lead to no need for the registry after

Re: [arin-ppml] Changes needed to ARIN Number Resource Policy?

2021-09-12 Thread Mike Burns
On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 19:38:10 -0400 Joe Maimon wrote John Curran wrote: > ARIN Public Policy List Participants - > > At this point we’ve enjoyed a long and robust discussion of many topics > ranging from merits of leasing address space to the long-term expectations > for IPv6

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-10 Thread Mike Burns
get addresses. The leasing agents you mention are getting paid for a service provided, is there a problem there? Regards, Mike On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 22:29:28 -0400 William Herrin wrote On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 5:42 PM Mike Burns <mailto:m...@iptrading.com> wrote: &

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-10 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Bill, Thanks for your thoughts. May I ask if you're thinking changes with the understand that all of the addresses being considered are going to be purchased. So really the needs tests are besides the point. The payment of the money is the expression of need. I myself would be uneasy at the

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-07 Thread Mike Burns
point has been made and recorded. Regards, Mike From: John Curran Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2021 3:19 PM To: Mike Burns Cc: ARIN-PPML List Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-07 Thread Mike Burns
To: Mike Burns Cc: ARIN-PPML List Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System) On 7 Sep 2021, at 1:46 PM, Mike Burns mailto:m...@iptrading.com> > wrote: >From my perspective as a bidder against

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-07 Thread Mike Burns
+1 The community elects the board. This is an important point, and a check on executive power-grabs. Don’t forget the the ultimate say does, in fact, lie with the community, in that the members of the Board and the Advisory Council are elected by the community. While there’s

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-07 Thread Mike Burns
Thanks for the refreshing discussion on the inevitability of leasing and the difficulty blocking it with policy, but if placed only in the context of the free pool, it's just a tempest-in-a-teapot. Nobody is going to build a leasing business on acquiring rental inventory from the ARIN free

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-07 Thread Mike Burns
-the-horse revisionism. If anything, even after the transfer ARIN had to be dragged into a modern transfer policy and significant RSA changes. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: Owen DeLong Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2021 12:14 PM To: Michel Py Cc: Mike Burns ; Fernando Frediani

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-02 Thread Mike Burns
"that does not undercut the point I made which is that for all we know, there are plenty of folks out there right now who are holding onto their unused IPv4 space in the hopes that they will be able to sell that in the future for more money than they can today, due to the ever-increasing

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-02 Thread Mike Burns
egan. So I said 30 years. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: Aaron Dudek Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 5:15 PM To: Mike Burns Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System) I d

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-02 Thread Mike Burns
message <058401d7a013$7797d160$66c77420$@iptrading.com>, "Mike Burns" wrote: >We tried the method you've espoused below for thirty years and the >result were a huge amount of wasted address space. Once the market was >adopted, many of those addresses found a useful pl

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-02 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Fernando, We tried the method you’ve espoused below for thirty years and the result were a huge amount of wasted address space. Once the market was adopted, many of those addresses found a useful place in the routing table. This community had debated the option of aggressively

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-01 Thread Mike Burns
HI Chris and David, I think reclaiming resources for fraud of any kind is perfectly reasonable. I do not see any need for reporting to ARIN any change of utilization. Unlike the AFRINIC RSA (and the LACNIC RSA) the ARIN RSA doesn't put resources at risk for utilization, whether that's a

Re: [arin-ppml] Updated text: ARIN 2020-6 Swap Policy

2021-08-26 Thread Mike Burns
To: Mike Burns Cc: ARIN-PPML List Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Updated text: ARIN 2020-6 Swap Policy Inline: > On Aug 26, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Mike Burns wrote: > > Hi, > > I think the larger block should be allowed to be sold in pieces, > notwithstanding the disaggregation. The int

Re: [arin-ppml] Updated text: ARIN 2020-6 Swap Policy

2021-08-26 Thread Mike Burns
Hi, I think the larger block should be allowed to be sold in pieces, notwithstanding the disaggregation. I think the recipient should lose the ability to receive addresses immediately upon receipt of the smaller block, until the larger block is completely sold. Including waitlist addresses,

Re: [arin-ppml] Update on progress on ARIN 2021-2

2021-08-16 Thread Mike Burns
I support the policy. Anything that makes the NRPM easier to understand is a winner. Even those who have received special use space and would be expected to be "policy-sophisticated" could get tripped-up by current policy language, whereas this change clarifies things for those members. Regards,

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

2021-01-15 Thread Mike Burns
er opinion they have and others that don't agree with it or don't consider that as something that resolves opened issues have also the right to contradict them. Fernando On 15/01/2021 17:21, Mike Burns wrote: Count me as embarrassed at the treatment of new posters on this list. Demeaned as

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

2021-01-15 Thread Mike Burns
. Aren’t we all sick of the same voices? Regards, Mike Burns PS ARIN does not require resource holders use NAT, much less CGNAT. If you feel that should be a requirement, write a policy proposal. From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Robert Clarke Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 2:55 PM

Re: [arin-ppml] Board of Trustees Consideration Petition for ARIN -2020 -2: Reinstatement of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

2021-01-11 Thread Mike Burns
I support the petition. Regards, Mike Burns IPTrading.com From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Fernando Frediani Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 10:35 AM To: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Board of Trustees Consideration Petition for ARIN -2020 -2: Reinstatement of Organizations

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2020-6: Allowance for IPv4 Allocation “Swap” Transactions via 8.3 Specified Transfers and 8.4 Inter-RIR Transfers

2020-12-15 Thread Mike Burns
resource-free ORG. These are colleges with old class B's who need a /24 for the most part. They can't justify the /24 as things stand, making the rest of the policy as written moot. Regards, Mike On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 17:34:41 -0500 Owen DeLong wrote > On Dec 15, 2020, at

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2020-6: Allowance for IPv4 Allocation “Swap” Transactions via 8.3 Specified Transfers and 8.4 Inter-RIR Transfers

2020-12-15 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Owen, Thanks for spurring conversation on this proposal. In my experience those who frequently want to acquire a small block to renumber into are holders of much-larger blocks who can realize higher prices if they sell their much-larger block intact. The market is rewarding larger block

Re: [arin-ppml] Oppose Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2

2020-11-03 Thread Mike Burns
that, things happen, but when it’s in our ability to mitigate unfairness related to change without much cost, I favor doing that. Regards, Mike From: Paul Andersen Sent: Monday, November 02, 2020 6:11 PM To: Mike Burns Cc: Jacob Slater ; arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Oppose

Re: [arin-ppml] Oppose Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2

2020-11-02 Thread Mike Burns
the big guy. Regards, Mike From: Jacob Slater Sent: Monday, November 02, 2020 4:24 PM To: Mike Burns Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Oppose Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2 Mike, There is no evidence of waiting list fraud that has reached this list except

Re: [arin-ppml] Oppose Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2

2020-11-02 Thread Mike Burns
. The arguments about the size limits of those coming onto the list today are a separate issue from this policy. Regards, Mike From: Jacob Slater Sent: Monday, November 02, 2020 3:20 PM To: Mike Burns Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Oppose Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2 All

Re: [arin-ppml] Oppose Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2

2020-11-02 Thread Mike Burns
Hello, I support the policy. These people got on the list and behaved. A third party defrauded the list and these people are punished as a result. I feel their good behavior should not be punished, and the simple expedient of grandfathering this limited population seems fair to me. Discussions

Re: [arin-ppml] Last Call - Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Reinstatement of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

2020-10-28 Thread Mike Burns
architecture/ > > > -Original Message- > From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Anita N > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 9:52 AM > To: Mike Burns > Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Last Call - Recommended Draft Policy > ARIN-2020-2: Reinstatement

Re: [arin-ppml] Last Call - Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Reinstatement of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

2020-10-23 Thread Mike Burns
Me, (okay, this is after a beer or two tonight) I was just having a discussion with some people the other night, and we were discussing the idea that a new protocol might even roll out at this rate before IPv6 is universally adopted... Hi Mike, You aren't the only one discussing a new

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Reinstatement of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

2020-10-22 Thread Mike Burns
Hello List, Who cares where the expressions of support come from, or what motivates them? If they come with arguments, regard the arguments. If they come with a simple +1, you can weigh the value of that with your own judgement. This search for speaker motivations is antithetical to the

Re: [arin-ppml] Legacy number resources in the ARIN region (was: Re: Inter-RIR transfer Policy reciprocity with Afrinic_Resource Transfer Policy proposal)

2020-10-12 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Jordi, As I mentioned on the AFRINIC list, it would not be a problem if the AFRINIC inter-regional transfer policy retained legacy status for inbound legacy resources from ARIN. I know this because this is an option for ARIN legacy addresses received inter-regionally at RIPE. So the

Re: [arin-ppml] RIPE enforcing court-ordered "right to register"

2020-10-05 Thread Mike Burns
? Regards, Mike From: David Farmer Sent: Monday, October 05, 2020 3:36 PM To: Mike Burns Cc: Fernando Frediani ; ARIN-PPML List Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] RIPE enforcing court-ordered "right to register" I wouldn't say RIPE took the financial transaction or the contra

Re: [arin-ppml] RIPE enforcing court-ordered "right to register"

2020-10-05 Thread Mike Burns
ransaction the current resource holder should only request the RIR to transfer the resources when he is sure whatever has been agreed to be paid was already done. Fernando On 05/10/2020 12:36, Mike Burns wrote: Hi Fernando, Thanks for your thoughts, but there is no needs test in RIPE

Re: [arin-ppml] RIPE enforcing court-ordered "right to register"

2020-10-05 Thread Mike Burns
is that ARIN should only obey orders from a court in the country it is registered, as other RIRs and other organizations. Fernando On 05/10/2020 11:38, Mike Burns wrote: Hello List, https://labs.ripe.net/Members/ciaran_byrne/seizure-of-the-right-to-registrat ion-of-ipv4-addresses RIPE has

[arin-ppml] RIPE enforcing court-ordered "right to register"

2020-10-05 Thread Mike Burns
transfer. Regards, Mike Burns IPTrading.com ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist

2020-07-21 Thread Mike Burns
Why would anybody buy the rare company with a lowly /22 instead of just buying one of the ubiquitous /22s on the market? If the buyer is complicit in the original fraud on the waiting list, they make themselves an obvious target for potential revocation after engaging in the subsequent 8.2

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

2020-07-17 Thread Mike Burns
100 Ashford Center North | Suite 110 | Atlanta, Georgia 30338 > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Mike Burns > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:59 AM > To: hostmas...@uneedus.com; arin-ppml@arin.net > Subject: Re

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

2020-07-17 Thread Mike Burns
I support the policy as written and I do not believe we should prioritize small holders over large holders. Large holders pay higher fees but I don't see the rationale behind favoring small holders on the wait list. All holders should be on equal footing, we never had a new-entrant reserve at

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised and Reverted to Draft Policy - Draft Policy ARIN-2019-1: Clarify Section 4 IPv4 Request Requirements

2020-05-14 Thread Mike Burns
I would support it with the removal of the pompous and meaningless word “summarily”. I like a clean NRPM. Regards, Mike From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Chris Woodfield Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:40 PM To: Owen DeLong ; ARIN-PPML List Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised and Reverted

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-04-15 Thread Mike Burns
-Original Message- From: Lisa Liedel Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 9:05 AM To: Mike Burns ; John Sweeting ; arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations Hi Mike, The 12 month waiting period is not imposed at the time of the block swap

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-04-15 Thread Mike Burns
Hi John, Thank you. Are they both then subject to the 12 month waiting period before another receipt? Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: John Sweeting Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:36 PM To: Mike Burns ; arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-04-14 Thread Mike Burns
Hi John, Thanks for sharing the policy report. How do we do a block swap? Can you provide some more details on that process and its requirements? Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of John Sweeting Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:29 PM To: arin-ppml@arin.net

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

2020-03-24 Thread Mike Burns
I support this, having spoken with some of the injured parties at the last ARIN meeting. They suffered as a reaction to somebody else's fraud. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of ARIN Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:21 PM To: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject:

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist

2020-03-10 Thread Mike Burns
I would rather eliminate the waiting list, and place this space into the 4.10 pool, as at least that space requires a commitment to IPv6. Albert Erdmann Network Administrator Paradise On Line Inc. +1 Any pool of "free" addresses in an era of priced addresses will be a continuing magnet for

Re: [arin-ppml] Fwd: Advisory Council Meeting Results - December 2019

2020-01-03 Thread Mike Burns
You are forgetting that anybody can do this in RIPE today. And yesterday. And still the world spins. Happy New Year to the list! Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of hostmas...@uneedus.com Sent: Friday, January 03, 2020 4:59 PM To: Fernando Frediani Cc:

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks - Clarifying Language

2019-11-01 Thread Mike Burns
t;032f01d590f3$0417a9d0$0c46fd70$@iptrading.com>, "Mike Burns" wrote: >It's not illegitimate, particularly as you are getting addresses from >your connectivity provider, these sorts of "leases" have always been legit. So, are you saying that the reference to "legit

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks - Clarifying Language

2019-11-01 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Ron, It's not illegitimate, particularly as you are getting addresses from your connectivity provider, these sorts of "leases" have always been legit. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: Friday, November 01, 2019 4:22 PM To:

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks - Clarifying Language

2019-11-01 Thread Mike Burns
Albert said: In the case of IP address leasing, the only major users of short term leases are abusers. HI Albert, Care to share on your source for the assertion above? Regards, Mike ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M

2019-10-14 Thread Mike Burns
I also agree with Bill Herrin’s perspective. Regards, Mike +1 On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 3:48 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net> > wrote: Same view here. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 13/10/19 9:39, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Steven

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-10-02 Thread Mike Burns
erstanding of how those changes would affect justifications. I do think it would be optimal to change transfer policies to remove the needs test, but that is a separate issue. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: John Curran Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2019 10:34 AM To: Mike

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-10-02 Thread Mike Burns
restrictions. You want less members? Raise your fees and impose harsh policies. It's just the nature of things. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: hostmas...@uneedus.com Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 8:59 PM To: Mike Burns Cc: 'ARIN-PPML List' Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] Draft

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-10-01 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Ralph, I threw a /21 back in the swamp myself and I think you are right about this discussion being circular.  Yes, I voluntarily returned them. Wonder if that makes my arguments any better… Regards, Mike From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Ralph Sims Sent: Tuesday, October 01,

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-10-01 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Martin, Are we regulating for price now? Your numbers seem accurate to me. Regards, Mike From: Martin Hannigan Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 1:53 PM To: Mike Burns Cc: Jim ; John Santos ; ARIN-PPML List Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-10-01 Thread Mike Burns
e suitable accommodation to the community's needs as expressed by a growing grey-market for leasing. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: hostmas...@uneedus.com Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 1:31 PM To: Mike Burns Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-10-01 Thread Mike Burns
Jim wrote: I am opposed to proposal that ARIN should in general be facilitating entities being able to obtain from ARIN permanent allocations made to support temporary use for non-connected networks.It sounds like creating an inviting environment for potential spammers and fraud, and

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-10-01 Thread Mike Burns
ganization to another. Fernando Frediani On 01/10/2019 12:27, Mike Burns wrote: > Hi Albert, > > Your first issue is a requirement for operational use as being something > descended from heaven. It was simply the best method to fulfil our > stewardship duties in a free pool era. That d

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-10-01 Thread Mike Burns
nistrator Paradise On Line Inc. On Tue, 1 Oct 2019, Mike Burns wrote: > Albert wrote: > It was always understood you were supposed to turn back in unused numbers. > The market is one way to do that, by turning your unused addresses over to > someone who can use them. Leasing does not

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-10-01 Thread Mike Burns
Should we make 2019-18 clearly say that reallocation or reassignment to non-connected networks who will themselves make operational use of the leased addresses is considered efficient use? Basically, keep the “use” requirement around reassignments the same as it is now, and just state clearly

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-10-01 Thread Mike Burns
offer a description of how hoarding would work *in this market* to a speculator's benefit? Regards, Mike On Mon, 30 Sep 2019, Mike Burns wrote: > Hi Fernando, > > Let me address the two items highlighted in your reply below. > > First is the reduction of ARIN to no

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-09-30 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Fernando, You asked me some questions so I will reply to them inline, and because we have drifted, this will be my last post on this directly. I mentioned 2050 to highlight the unchanging stewardship requirements, conservation and registration, as an effort to demonstrate that your

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-09-30 Thread Mike Burns
opinion that this carrot and stick approach will induce >> Lessors to properly register their leases while also providing a >> clear demarcation of leasing versus hijacking that will empower our >> community and potentially law enfor

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-09-30 Thread Mike Burns
o slurp up the dregs of the remaining free pool at RIPE, which is reserved for new entrants. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: hostmas...@uneedus.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 3:05 PM To: Mike Burns Cc: 'arin-ppml' Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18:

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-09-30 Thread Mike Burns
e question? Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: hostmas...@uneedus.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 2:37 PM To: Mike Burns Cc: 'Fernando Frediani' ; 'arin-ppml' Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks Like Fernando

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-09-30 Thread Mike Burns
have moved on, and any two networks can be easily “connected” for the purposes of policy-compliance only. So why trade the lack of insight into IPv4 block contact information for the maintenance of this fig-leaf? Regards, Mike Burns From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Fernando

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-09-27 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Bill, Off the top of my head… There are many temporary needs that can be best met by leasing. Company transitions, renumbering, time-limited projects. Sometimes a company wants to test market an area. Geolocation needs, some companies need a presence in multiple locations and leasing

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks

2019-09-27 Thread Mike Burns
I also support the spirit of this policy, but have some questions. Would the adoption of this policy mean that leased-out addresses would meet the requirements to demonstrate efficient use of prior allocations when requesting a new transfer? Would lease contracts with Lessees meet the

Re: [arin-ppml] Consultation about Legacy Resources

2019-08-16 Thread Mike Burns
[ clip ] >From my perspective, there is no IPv4 exhaustion or shortage. Anyone can get >almost anything they need on the transfer market. Granted, the shorter the >prefix the harder it gets, but as it was demonstrated with 44/8 it is still >possible. I'm not sure it is any simpler

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

2019-08-16 Thread Mike Burns
allowing transfers intra and inter RIR is a example), but we must never forget some principles that has always been base for correct IP space allocations. Regards Fernando On 16/08/2019 10:43, Mike Burns wrote: Hi Fernando, Thanks for your input. I think you are completely wrong in your inte

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

2019-08-16 Thread Mike Burns
as something normal or natural or first option. Fernando On 15/08/2019 18:47, Mike Burns wrote: Hi Owen, It’s hard to predict when the useful IPv4 lifetime will end, so it’s hard to say whether runout of these reserved pools is unlikely, especially if conditions change. If you feel 4.4

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

2019-08-15 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Owen, It’s hard to predict when the useful IPv4 lifetime will end, so it’s hard to say whether runout of these reserved pools is unlikely, especially if conditions change. If you feel 4.4 and 4.10 are severely overstocked, maybe a proposal to release those “sequestered” addresses

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

2019-07-29 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Mike, My purpose in authoring this proposal was to starve the Waiting list to death by preventing further unpredictable influxes of addresses. I would support allocating returned addresses to both 4.10 and 4.4 pools, or whichever might need them most. I know the 4.10 pool is largely

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2019-8 Clarification of Section 4.10 for Multiple Discrete Networks

2019-07-16 Thread Mike Burns
here. Regards, Mike Burns From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Scott Leibrand Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 2:52 PM To: Owen DeLong Cc: ARIN-PPML List Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2019-8 Clarification of Section 4.10 for Multiple Discrete Networks I am in favor of this change. We

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2019-7: Elimination of the Waiting List (was:Re: Looking for final show of support on revised Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

2019-06-23 Thread Mike Burns
the idea and support the idea of placing returned and revoked addresses in 4.10. Actually I proposed that as a new policy a few days ago but maybe it got lost or I filled out the template wrong. Regards, Mike Burns -Original Message- From: ARIN-PPML <mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.ne

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2019-7: Elimination of the Waiting List (was:Re: Looking for final show of support on revised Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

2019-06-20 Thread Mike Burns
ARIN would be a competitor AND a regulator in the marketplace. I oppose the idea and support the idea of placing returned and revoked addresses in 4.10. Actually I proposed that as a new policy a few days ago but maybe it got lost or I filled out the template wrong. Regards, Mike Burns

Re: [arin-ppml] Looking for final show of support on revised Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

2019-06-07 Thread Mike Burns
I agree with Robert and Bill that it is an illogical market distortion to have this source of free addresses. And that the assumption that "need" at an earlier point in time is still the same "need" when addresses randomly come available in the future is faulty. I would prefer to starve the

Re: [arin-ppml] IP leasing policy

2019-05-30 Thread Mike Burns
The same way there are plenty of people which find a big deviation of the use IP space should ever have and prefer to keep this control in the hands of the RIR so things can be done more fairly and not let them be negotiated as a kind of real estate business. Fernando On 30/05/2019 14:44

Re: [arin-ppml] IP leasing policy

2019-05-30 Thread Mike Burns
and prefer to keep this control in the hands of the RIR so things can be done more fairly and not let them be negotiated as a kind of real estate business. Fernando On 30/05/2019 14:44, Mike Burns wrote: Hi Fernando, If you search “ipv4 leasing” you will find this practice widespread globally

Re: [arin-ppml] IP leasing policy

2019-05-30 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Fernando, If you search “ipv4 leasing” you will find this practice widespread globally. We have transitioned from the original distribution mechanism of the RIRs before exhaust, to a new mechanism. The new mechanism is the IPv4 market. You are free to ignore it or tilt against

Re: [arin-ppml] IP leasing policy (was: Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance)

2019-05-30 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Jimmy, A few things are conflated with leasing in your comments below, including fraud, speculation and justifications. Let's forget about fraud. Fraud to obtain resources remains a transgression with any lease policy. Justification issues are fair game, I think they merit further discussion

Re: [arin-ppml] IP leasing policy

2019-05-30 Thread Mike Burns
AS in a detailed SWIP… Maybe it can be utilized to designate the LOA recipient? Regards, Mike From: Scott Leibrand Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 10:27 AM To: Mike Burns Cc: arin-ppml Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP leasing policy The portion that would be within scope as ARIN

Re: [arin-ppml] IP leasing policy

2019-05-30 Thread Mike Burns
positioned to make the call? Regards, Mike From: Scott Leibrand Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:23 AM To: Mike Burns Cc: arin-ppml Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP leasing policy On May 29, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Mike Burns mailto:m...@iptrading.com> > wrote: Hi Scott and Fernando,

Re: [arin-ppml] IP leasing policy

2019-05-29 Thread Mike Burns
esses in such way while there are others on waiting lists that truly justify for those addresses. Regards Fernando On 29/05/2019 18:02, Mike Burns wrote: Hi Robert,   The problem of leasing space before the 12 month waiting period, so as *o

Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-29 Thread Mike Burns
policy. Regards, Mike From: Robert Clarke Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 4:24 PM To: Mike Burns Cc: Fernando Frediani ; arin-ppml Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance Hello Mike, Why are you using John's "waiting list IPv4 b

Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-29 Thread Mike Burns
position on a policy is automatically discounted by the amount he stands to gain. I know this does not apply to you. Regards, Mike From: Owen DeLong Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 4:18 PM To: Mike Burns Cc: John Curran ; ARIN-PPML List Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks

Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-29 Thread Mike Burns
List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance On 29/05/2019 11:31, Mike Burns wrote: Orgs will wait out any period, sitting with unused addresses until they reach the resale date. Not efficient use. If it's not a legacy resource and if ARIN gets to know about it, it may just recover

Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-29 Thread Mike Burns
processed through 4.1.8, so I don’t think limiting the resale potential of such blocks to reduce fraud is a bad idea. Owen On May 28, 2019, at 12:46 , Mike Burns mailto:m...@iptrading.com> > wrote: The percentages of blocks transferred takes a significant leap at the /19 size.

Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-29 Thread Mike Burns
think limiting the resale potential of such blocks to reduce fraud is a bad idea. Owen On May 28, 2019, at 12:46 , Mike Burns <mailto:m...@iptrading.com> wrote: The percentages of blocks transferred takes a significant leap at the /19 size. Below that, the percentages are all b

Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-28 Thread Mike Burns
The percentages of blocks transferred takes a significant leap at the /19 size. Below that, the percentages are all below 7%. At /19 and above, the percentages are all above 21%. Seems like a natural demarcation for maximum block size, but prices do continue to rise. While we want to fight

Re: [arin-ppml] Of further interest...

2019-05-15 Thread Mike Burns
up to the amount equivalent to the value of the above-described forfeitable property. From: Chris Woodfield Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:33 PM To: Douglas Haber Cc: Mike Burns ; Martin Hannigan ; arin-ppml Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Of further interest... I’d pres

Re: [arin-ppml] Of further interest...

2019-05-15 Thread Mike Burns
are not recovered. But IANAL. From: Douglas Haber Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:27 PM To: 'Mike Burns' ; 'Martin Hannigan' Cc: 'arin-ppml' Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] Of further interest... I have reviewed the indictment and it has a forfeiture order in it. It lists the blocks and states

[arin-ppml] Of further interest...

2019-05-15 Thread Mike Burns
Other shoe dropped yesterday. https://ecf.scd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/qrySummary.pl?250341   20 counts of wire fraud.___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net).

Re: [arin-ppml] Of interest?

2019-05-14 Thread Mike Burns
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20190514_735k_fraudulently_obtained_ip_addresses_have_been_revoked/ https://teamarin.net/2019/05/13/taking-a-hard-line-on-fraud/ From: William Herrin Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 5:05 PM To: Jimmy Hess Cc: Mike Burns ; arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re

Re: [arin-ppml] Of interest?

2019-05-14 Thread Mike Burns
Hi ARIN, Will these 745,000 addresses go to the waiting list? Regards, Mike From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Mike Burns Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 11:10 AM To: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: [arin-ppml] Of interest? I found this to be an interesting article and perhaps others

[arin-ppml] Of interest?

2019-05-14 Thread Mike Burns
I found this to be an interesting article and perhaps others on the list would appreciate knowing about it. https://www.news-journal.com/ap/national/arin-wins-important-legal-case-and- precedent-against-fraud/article_ceb57140-e574-5355-a8b3-c8f8c70a439e.html Regards, Mike Burns

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-03 Thread Mike Burns
Hello List, The difference between a hijack and a lease is often a valid Letter of Agency. Maybe it’s time for an explicit lease policy that would be within ARIN’s scope and could chip away at some of the issues here. Personally, I am against the proposal and agree that it is out of scope.

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy action menu for Waiting List (4.1.8) - feedback requested.

2019-03-14 Thread Mike Burns
doesn’t rise to the level requiring significant changes to the waitlist policy. Regards, Mike Burns From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Rob Seastrom Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 3:24 PM To: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy action menu for Waiting List (4.1.8) - feedback

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-27 Thread Mike Burns
. That doesn’t augur well for our business. Regards, Mike Burns ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription

Re: [arin-ppml] Proposed Editorial Update to NRPM (Formerly ARIN-prop-256: Modify 8.3 and 8.4 for Clarity)

2018-09-25 Thread Mike Burns
Support. The current language confuses people and the new text is more clear to everybody. -Original Message- From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of ARIN Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:43 AM To: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: [arin-ppml] Proposed Editorial Update to NRPM (Formerly

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