Re: [Arm-netbook] Standards Organization as a Potentially Universal Free/Libre Software Developement Sustenance Model

> "well everyone does it so we don't need to take > special note of it" is how, historically, utterly valuable knowledge > has been lost through the ages. That's a very valid point. However I think the point of a standards organization should be to spread information about their standards that

Re: [Arm-netbook] Standards Organization as a Potentially Universal Free/Libre Software Developement Sustenance Model

Alrightie~! Foremost, since "existing" free software and cultural works aren't likely to be sold, I think a libre software standards organization wouldn't certify individual works or pieces of code, so much as projects as a whole including roles performed by non-developers Version control is

Re: [Arm-netbook] firefly 3399 all source software disclosed?

On 5/31/17, ronwirr...@safe-mail.net wrote: > You have a tendency to magnify the impact of one persons actions. > Do you actually believe, that me writing manufacturers and making > demands, right or wrong demands, has any impact on the situation > of libre software? Do

Re: [Arm-netbook] Standards Organization as a Potentially Universal Free/Libre Software Developement Sustenance Model

On 5/31/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > huh. hmmm, if it's ok with you i might run that by dr stallman, see > what he thinks. That'd be awesome; be awesomer if you mentioned me ('d love to win zeh brownie points xS) ___

Re: [Arm-netbook] Standards Organization as a Potentially Universal Free/Libre Software Developement Sustenance Model

On 5/31/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> wrote: > On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:19 PM, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Then, it truly truly dawned on me, free software needs standards >> organizations as well. > > or someth

Re: [Arm-netbook] firefly 3399 all source software disclosed?

If I may put in my two cents, I look at it from the perspective of two cultures. We aren't a country and don't have our own language, so it's a bit of a strange analogy to take literally but I mean it literally. I see this as the same with being Vegan, different culture, different ethics. The

Re: [Arm-netbook] Side-Topic: Liberating PocketCHIP

On 5/12/17, Louis Pearson wrote: > I don't know if you know about this or not, but there is a community > wiki at http://www.chip-community.org/index.php/Main_Page > It has examples on using buildroot to flash images to chip >

Re: [Arm-netbook] Totally derailed topic

On 5/9/17, zap <zap...@openmailbox.org> wrote: > > > On 05/09/2017 08:14 PM, John Luke Gibson wrote: >> On 5/9/17, Lyberta <lybe...@lyberta.net> wrote: >>> do...@mail.com: >>>> I think you're caught in the same trap, unable to realize your own >

Re: [Arm-netbook] Side-Topic: Liberating PocketCHIP

On 5/9/17, Benson Mitchell wrote: > Seems like you're confusing back-quote (`) with single-quote ('), maybe? > I just want to say that alone makes for pretty terrible design within a fundamental language which an entire os can't run without.

Re: [Arm-netbook] Side-Topic: Liberating PocketCHIP

On 5/9/17, Benson Mitchell <benson.mitchell+arm-netb...@gmail.com> wrote: > On May 9, 2017 7:02 PM, "John Luke Gibson" <eaterjo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Like, the first file initiated by the main make file is > support/setlocalversion which looks to just c

Re: [Arm-netbook] Totally derailed topic

On 5/9/17, Lyberta wrote: > do...@mail.com: >> I think you're caught in the same trap, unable to realize your own >> potential for lack of a moral standard (it also suffers as a result of >> an Atheistic philosophy), and unable to accept a pointless existence. > > When I was

Re: [Arm-netbook] Side-Topic: Liberating PocketCHIP

On 5/4/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 4:13 PM, mike.v...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> That is apparently a Allwinner R8 pared with an external

Re: [Arm-netbook] Side-Topic: Liberating PocketCHIP

On 5/4/17, Bill Kontos <vkontog...@gmail.com> wrote: > Why is there an intel blob on the chip. I didn't know there was intel ip in > there. > > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:04 AM, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Since it seems like a trivia

[Arm-netbook] Side-Topic: Liberating PocketCHIP

Since it seems like a trivially simple task that for some reason no one has taken up, I would like to take the opportunity to exercise a learning experience and simultaneously benefit the community, by liberating PocketCHIP by deblobbing the source and re-compiling. Browsing the archives to see

Re: [Arm-netbook] libre 64-bit risc-v SoC

On 5/2/17, Pen-Yuan Hsing wrote: > I'm really really excited about a possible 100% libre RISC-V based computer. > Though I'm a backer of the most recent campaign (and can't wait to get it! > :)), I lack the knowledge/skills to actually help with the technical > development

Re: [Arm-netbook] libre 64-bit risc-v SoC

On 4/28/17, Hannes Schnaitter wrote: > Then you have to consider that in many countries the programming of > such a targeting algorithm, one that decides who is killed, would count > as planning a murder. And every casualty in an accident would be > murdered by the people

Re: [Arm-netbook] SPI-based LCDs, 3D printing, RISC-V

On 4/27/17, Bluey wrote: > Hi All, > > For what it’s worth, I’d like to thank all of you involved for taking on > this important project. > > I started subscribing to this list just a few days ago so please forgive me > if specific design requirements/parameters have

Re: [Arm-netbook] Totally derailed topic

On 4/25/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 9:21 AM, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Well the problem with that truism unfortunately is that in this >> situation that particular use of the

Re: [Arm-netbook] Totally derailed topic

Well the problem with that truism unfortunately is that in this situation that particular use of the word "problems" is tooo abstract. Ultimately, what that could mean is too many different things. When a system's components are damaging each other simultaneously, who gets to decide which one's

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 4/24/17, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 4/24/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> wrote: > >> lyberta, do look up eckart tolle's story, it's very very funny (and >> relevant). ok ok i can't resist telling the tale: he was an aca

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 4/24/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > lyberta, do look up eckart tolle's story, it's very very funny (and > relevant). ok ok i can't resist telling the tale: he was an academic, > in some of the worst (bitchiest) back-stabbing in-fighting for funding > and "status"

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 4/24/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:25 AM, Lyberta wrote: > >> There is a line that you may cross after which there is almost no >> return. If the whole world is extremist and fascist, then you fix it >> with extremism

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

em was much less mature and they had almost no funding at all( or > because they call it linux and not GNU/Linux). > > On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:40 AM, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On 4/22/17, Lyberta <lybe...@lyberta.net> wrote: >>

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 4/22/17, Lyberta wrote: > zap: >> System76 isn't really a good idea due to the ubuntu and linux rather >> than even debian or free software and libre... Trisquel would be by far >> better free software wise, but I think you get my point, >> Ubuntu is nowhere near as free

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

type of thing can be considered] > On 22 April 2017 03:17:19 GMT+03:00, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>Let's do bear in mind that they do have real reasons for keeping >>proprietary blobs in their systems. While these reasons do not measure >>to

Re: [Arm-netbook] The R/Evolution... will not be Televised

On 4/22/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Allan Mwenda > wrote: >> Quick, someone make a graphic! > > that'll be the fish-logo :)

Re: [Arm-netbook] Certification Mark: My hat in the Ring

On 4/21/17, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> wrote: > See, now the symbolism only looks religious if your not looking at > where the symbols are taken from. The Blender logo is an eye, which is > supposed to be emphasized by the switching of the eyelash in the &g

Re: [Arm-netbook] Certification Mark: My hat in the Ring

See, now the symbolism only looks religious if your not looking at where the symbols are taken from. The Blender logo is an eye, which is supposed to be emphasized by the switching of the eyelash in the traditional one with a different one. Inside of the fish, the eye then thusly makes the whole a

Re: [Arm-netbook] Certification Mark: My hat in the Ring

Didn't notice that it didn't go through. Here's the attachment. ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk

[Arm-netbook] Certification Mark: My hat in the Ring

The fish borrowed from Wenqing Yan's Fisheye Placebo. I'm sure it's modified enough to be fair use, but contacting them might be a good idea. ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk

Re: [Arm-netbook] I saw your recent update, Luke

On 4/16/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > so, first things, it wouldn't work (because it is necessary to ship > with the sunxi 3.4.104+ kernel as it is the *only* linux kernel that > supports the *FULL* set of hardware, and systemd is *NOT COMPATIBLE* Look what I found

Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

On 4/18/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:44 AM, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Also, I forgot to me

Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

to learn how to program. Also, I forgot to mention: Chris, sleep well my good fellow. Luke, what are you still doing awake :P On 4/18/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:01 AM, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> > wr

Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

On 4/17/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 4:55 AM, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> I apologize in advance fo

Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

I also want to apologize for how horribly intimidating those sets of parenthesizes must be for one whom has never seen one of those used like that before outside of advanced and very nerd-y philosophy xD On 4/17/17, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, however don't

Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

ly who they help or what kind of Sybils they help or to what degree and for what purpose. We are fundamentally human, and we must remember our value is in our decision. On 4/16/17, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> wrote: > I apologize in advance for any duplicate messages, but I feel

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos

I'm not entirely sure why resolution should be relevant. Something without small defining characteristics that are unclear or illegible when the resolution is low might be desire-able, but I would assume so long as any is still atleast 10 pt font when shrunk to 3cm on its widest dimension, it

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos

On 3/18/17, Mike Leimon wrote: > Okay, I feel like I should take a swing or two at this as well. > > In the following two cases, there isn't any special font being used. I'm > just using inkscape to trace out the characters that I want show... > > http://imgur.com/GrnfRHe > > Of

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos

I'm still of the opinion that there should be some intersexuality with other groups, organizations, projects, events [historical or otherwise], and/or popular culture. :P No offense though(!), since it looks like ya put quite a bit of effort into those. On 3/17/17, Tor, the Marqueteur

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos

@Chris, isn't the acronym for Embedded Open Modular Architecture? On 3/17/17, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> wrote: > If that really was the very block font used by Gutenberg, that would > be interesting. > Wish the source for that stanza wasn't a book :c > >

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos

If that really was the very block font used by Gutenberg, that would be interesting. Wish the source for that stanza wasn't a book :c On 3/17/17, John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 3/17/17, Wolfram Kahl <k...@cas.mcmaster.ca> wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 17, 201

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos

be entirely lost > on most people. Looks as much like random stuff settled in a crescent > moon as it does an E. > > Tor > >> >> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com >> <mailto:eaterjo...@gmail.com>> wrote: &g

[Arm-netbook] Logos

I was wondering what people think of the Cloister Black letter E for the EOMA logo. I can imagine that some people might find it hard to read or understand. Legible enough any one would suppose? http://www.deathnotenews.com/uploads/1/7/3/9/17393465/5192168_orig.png In case anyone is worried

Re: [Arm-netbook] Arm processors

On 3/2/17, zap wrote: > > > On 03/02/2017 03:42 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> --- >> crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 8:37 AM, zap wrote: >>> On 03/02/2017 03:33

Re: [Arm-netbook] Arm processors

And, Luke mentioned inquiries being made about using RISC-V in a 100% open core board. That's probably a more longterm slightly optimistic subject. On 3/1/17, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: > I believe the next generation of EOMA68 cards will use the Rockchip RK3288 > SoC. > >

Re: [Arm-netbook] A20 deadline

I think you read this: >well, thanks to some questioning last month we worked out a way to >increase (negotiate) power up to 10W, and i am working on a proposal / >concept to get an 8-core 64-bit RISC-V SoC produced. And, didn't read this thread: RK3288 PCB first prototype assembled. I hate to

Re: [Arm-netbook] A suggestion why Systemd may be bad

Sorry, I just read your reply Mike. I think that answers any curiosity I had. I appreciate it very much. This is makes sense as I imagine it to be part of the problem GNU/Mach is trying to solve (separating components of the system better, and with more micro-managed permissions?). Anyway, above

Re: [Arm-netbook] A suggestion why Systemd may be bad

it is getting expanded by. I presume that might be extra firmware for more support of more hardware, but idk. Anyways, I can see this topic is tiring so readers hereof need not respond to this thread :P On 2/15/17, Philip Hands <p...@hands.com> wrote: > John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail

[Arm-netbook] A suggestion why Systemd may be bad

Perhaps it is the idea that a linux machine should be wholly modular and attaching a library to a critical component of the system, shouldn't be a viable strategy for popularizing one's work. When a distro is forced to carry a package due to a dependency of a dependency, or any magnitude there

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos

failing RYF. > > > On January 27, 2017 12:39:46 PM GMT+03:00, John Luke Gibson > <eaterjo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>There are two ways to interprete that bear in mind. >>We probably want the logo to contain libre (or references/parts >>thereof), but you would be

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos

o that, I think we should not put libre in the logo. If someone > wants that let them sweat extra for RYF certification. > > > On January 26, 2017 10:04:56 AM GMT+03:00, John Luke Gibson > <eaterjo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>I would highly recommend avoiding any logos,

[Arm-netbook] Price Bump: Was that for Wholesale?

Noticed the cards themselves jumped from 40 to 65, and I was wondering if that was due to unforeseen costs per card or to attract wholesalers and retailers with special discounts? I don't really have an opinion either way with wholesale, in terms of economic responsibility/efficiency it has it's