Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-27 Thread joem
On Fri, 2016-09-02 at 09:33 -0500, Joseph Honold wrote: > A handheld QWERTY device has been my goal for EOMA68 since I found out about > it. > > I've been looking at various LCD options and all of the RGB ones that are > 3.5"-4" have low resolution (320x240, 480x320, and expensive 640x480). Abo

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 4:19 PM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote: > No, no, that’s not what I meant. What I meant is that when plugging in > the router card into a desktop housing, it should still work *as a > router*

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-22 Thread pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
On 09/22/2016 03:07 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:07 AM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) > wrote: > >> As a user, I would expect to be sold a router housing and a router >> EOMA6

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:07 AM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote: > As a user, I would expect to be sold a router housing and a router > EOMA68 computer card. I would expect the router housing to be able to > host my d

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:33 AM, Joseph Honold wrote: > On 09/21/2016 10:46 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >>> I don't see how a housing that needs a particular libre bootloader, kernel >>> or driver is non-com

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-22 Thread pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
On 09/22/2016 07:33 AM, Joseph Honold wrote: > On 09/21/2016 10:46 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >>> In a case where a housing is designed to be a router, if I plug my A20 cpu >>> card that ships with a desktop gui OS, it is in no way configured to be >>> usable as a router. >> >> that

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-21 Thread Joseph Honold
On 09/21/2016 10:46 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> I don't see how a housing that needs a particular libre bootloader, kernel >> or driver is non-compliant with the standard (as it is currently written). >> Perhaps there needs to be more clarification of the boot process and >> softw

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-21 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Joseph Honold wrote: >> so, they really do have to be self-contained... [if you want to be >> able to make a formal declaration, "compliant with the EOMA68 >> standard"]. >> > > I don'

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-21 Thread Joseph Honold
On 09/16/2016 09:53 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Joseph Honold wrote: >> I poked #linux-sunxi on irc and found out u-boot (mainline) sets up the >> SSD2828 device and passes it over to linux (mainline) SimpleFB driver. The >> MSI Primo 8.1 tablet use

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-16 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Joseph Honold wrote: > On 09/02/2016 09:33 AM, Joseph Honold wrote: >> I've been looking at various LCD options and all of the RGB ones that are >> 3.5"-4" have low resolution (320x240,

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-16 Thread Joseph Honold
On 09/02/2016 09:33 AM, Joseph Honold wrote: > I've been looking at various LCD options and all of the RGB ones that are > 3.5"-4" have low resolution (320x240, 480x320, and expensive 640x480). This > lead me to look at MIPI DSI displays which are cheaper with higher resolution > but more compli

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-09 Thread Sam Pablo Kuper
On 09/09/16 10:31, Alexander .S.T. Ross wrote: > heres a small table top keyboard from a phone case: > http://m.banggood.com/General-Wired-Keyboard-Flip-Holster-Case-For-Andriod-Mobile-Phone-4_2-6_8-p-1023861.html?utmid=995 Thanks! Added to spreadsheet. ___

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-09 Thread Alexander .S.T. Ross
heres a small table top keyboard from a phone case: http://m.banggood.com/General-Wired-Keyboard-Flip-Holster-Case-For-Andriod-Mobile-Phone-4_2-6_8-p-1023861.html?utmid=995 its currently on offer btw for around £5 ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Paul Boddie
On Sunday 4. September 2016 23.14.22 Joseph Honold wrote: > On 09/04/2016 03:11 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > > > > That's asking for trouble! One thing I wouldn't mind knowing is how > > decent space bars are done using domes. Do they really involve multiple > > domes, or are there elongated ones that

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Joseph Honold
On 09/04/2016 03:11 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > Overlay/keymat production seems quite specialised, but maybe people here know > a bit more about it. So it seems. I've thought a lot about how to DIY a silicone keypad with labeling and backlight but still have no way to do it. I'm all ears for ideas

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Paul Boddie
On Sunday 4. September 2016 18.50.53 Joseph Honold wrote: > > My idea is to use snap domes attached to a sticker and placed directly on > the pcb which has exposed copper pads for contacts (keyboard matrix). The > sticker could be laser (or hand) cut to any shape and snap domes hand > placed (for

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Joseph Honold
On 09/04/2016 01:19 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Sam Pablo Kuper > wrote: >> On 04/09/16 17:50, Joseph Honold wrote: >>> My idea is to use snap domes attached to a sti

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Sam Pablo Kuper wrote: > On 04/09/16 17:16, Sam Pablo Kuper wrote: >> Therefore, in pursuit of (2), I made a spreadsheet [...] >> >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PD_tAIW7cuiXEe9

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Sam Pablo Kuper wrote: > On 04/09/16 17:50, Joseph Honold wrote: >> My idea is to use snap domes attached to a sticker and placed directly on >> the pcb which has exposed copper pads for

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Sam Pablo Kuper
On 04/09/16 17:16, Sam Pablo Kuper wrote: > Therefore, in pursuit of (2), I made a spreadsheet [...] > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PD_tAIW7cuiXEe97BrcIRBfF9Sbo07limynxEBhdp84/pub?gid=1098274215&single=true&output=csv > > If you want to view the sheet in your browser, then you can do

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Sam Pablo Kuper
On 04/09/16 17:50, Joseph Honold wrote: > My idea is to use snap domes attached to a sticker and placed directly on the > pcb which has exposed copper pads for contacts (keyboard matrix). The sticker > could be laser (or hand) cut to any shape and snap domes hand placed (for > prototype). The sn

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Joseph Honold wrote: > The difficult part (IMO) is creating the rubber/silicone overlay. A prototype > could be made by either 3D printing a mold and casting a silicone keypad, or > jus

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote: >> It would be great to have a housing for the EOMA68 that is of a similar form >> factor to one of these devices: >> >> - DragonBox Pyra [1] > > Isn't EOMA68 to

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Joseph Honold
On 09/04/2016 11:16 AM, Sam Pablo Kuper wrote: > It might be naive of me, but my impression is that the hardest part of > making a housing like this is probably getting the keyboard right. So > many moving parts; such critical layout, tactility, and reliability > requirements. > > I figure there a

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
> also bear in mind that from experience with the HTC Universal > reverse-engineering doing clamshell phone / pdas is f** complicated. They can be. But then you also have devices like the pocketCHIP which have almost all features I want from such a device (except the 3G) and are pretty darn

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
> It would be great to have a housing for the EOMA68 that is of a similar form > factor to one of these devices: > > - DragonBox Pyra [1] Isn't EOMA68 too big to work for handhelds? ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lis

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-04 Thread Sam Pablo Kuper
N.B. I have cross-posted this email to the TinkerPhones mailing list, because it appeared to be relevant to both the TinkerPhones list and the arm-netbook list. I hope that this is considered acceptable by users of both lists. If not, please reply to let me know, and accept my apologies in advance.

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-02 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > The Pyra [3] is supposed to be modular (having, for example, a replaceable CPU > board [4] and potentially other boards), but it isn't certain that the > hardware (ab

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-02 Thread Paul Boddie
On Friday 2. September 2016 18.50.50 Adam Van Ymeren wrote: > > You might be able to get a good head start by taking the GTA04 > schematics (basis of Neo900) and looking at modifying them to accept > an EOMA-68 computer card rather than having an onboard processor. > > The GTA04 is a fairly matur

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-02 Thread Adam Van Ymeren
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Joseph Honold wrote: > On 09/02/2016 09:58 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> well, do add the research that you've done to >> http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/clamshell_microlaptop/ >> >> that's what the wiki is there for. at the same time can yo

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-02 Thread Joseph Honold
On 09/02/2016 09:58 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > well, do add the research that you've done to > http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/clamshell_microlaptop/ > > that's what the wiki is there for. at the same time can you please > add mention of the SEW291 3G module, and that it'

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-02 Thread Sam Pablo Kuper
On 02/09/16 15:33, Joseph Honold wrote: > Ultimately, I want to have cellular phone capability > (voice/data/sms) [... ] > > Pyra is nice but wouldn't be a good as a traditional cellphone > unless you put ear speaker and mic on backside of LCD/lid. Any microphones or speakers (or cameras for that

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-02 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Sam Pablo Kuper wrote: > I don't know if that kind of glass is compatible with hybrid displays of > the kind I mentioned above. Nor do I know if such hybrid displays are > even remotely o

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-02 Thread Sam Pablo Kuper
On 02/09/16 15:33, Joseph Honold wrote: > A handheld QWERTY device has been my goal for EOMA68 since I found out about > it. :) > Mouse could be implemented as a "keymouse" (like we use on Zipit, uinput > driver). Basically, hold a modifier key and use DPad to move cursor and > right/left clic

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-02 Thread Christopher Havel
*All* handheld computers are a mess. Google up the PSION Organizer II some time. My example was made the year I was born... 1986. There are two PCBs and a ribbon cable inside your average Org2, and the traces on the motherboard are positively draconian -- they have a habit of jumping from one side

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-02 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Joseph Honold wrote: > A handheld QWERTY device has been my goal for EOMA68 since I found out about > it. cool. well, do add the research that you've done to http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/clamshell_microlaptop/ that's what the wiki is there for. at

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-09-02 Thread Joseph Honold
A handheld QWERTY device has been my goal for EOMA68 since I found out about it. I've been looking at various LCD options and all of the RGB ones that are 3.5"-4" have low resolution (320x240, 480x320, and expensive 640x480). This lead me to look at MIPI DSI displays which are cheaper with highe

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-08-26 Thread Alexander .S.T. Ross
On 26/08/16 19:14, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Alexander .S.T. Ross > wrote: >> heres a pad to make notes/ draft ideas: >> https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/eoma68_handheld

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-08-26 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Alexander .S.T. Ross wrote: > heres a pad to make notes/ draft ideas: > https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/eoma68_handheld i'd prefer it be kept on the wiki page http://rhombus-tech.net/comm

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-08-26 Thread Sam Pablo Kuper
On 26/08/16 18:51, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 6:37 PM, Sam Pablo Kuper > wrote: >> - HTC Universal [3] > > i had one of those - i was part of the original team that did the HTC > reverse-engineering on 9 (!) different Wince smartphones back around > 2003. it w

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-08-26 Thread Alexander .S.T. Ross
heres a pad to make notes/ draft ideas: https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/eoma68_handheld it would also be awesome if it had (stereo?) pro mic builtin or attachment points for a little usb mic like the gomic[1] . i have one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samson-Go-Mic-/272351803409?hash=item3f696e

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-08-26 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 6:37 PM, Sam Pablo Kuper wrote: > It would be great to have a housing for the EOMA68 that is of a similar > form factor to one of these devices: > > - DragonBox Pyra [1] > - Openbox Pandora [2] >

Re: [Arm-netbook] Future case idea: subnotebook/PDA with QWERTY keyboard

2016-08-26 Thread Alexander .S.T. Ross
yea, i would love one. been making do with zipits with hacked on addon packs but this would be a lot better. storage wise does one use sd cards or cheap or fancy usb flash drives? cus you can get 256GB for err around £30 and a 256GB ssd in a usb dongle package for err something like £80-£100+. sd