Re: Good Performing Code (Was: Millicode Instructions)

2013-04-18 Thread Fred van der Windt
I understand also that unconditional branches are faster than conditional branches. So, which is faster: BNZ LABEL Branch most frequent or: BZ*+8fall through most frequent B LABEL Unconditional It might seem naïve but I would assume that 1 branch

Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question)

2013-04-18 Thread Scott Ford
Robert, I know where that is , I dont remember if the Deli is still there. I worked all over the 'City'. A lot of seriously good Delis.. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/   From: Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com To:

Re: TRTE and new instructions

2013-04-18 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 15:56:33 -0400, Alex Kodat wrote: The assembler equivalent of Modernizr would be the STORE FACILITY LIST EXTENDED (STFLE) instruction. Or use the bits that z/OS stored in the PSA at location 200 (decimal) using the STFLE instruction. -- Tom Marchant

TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread John Gilmore
After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Ave atque vale.

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread Kirk Talman
I for one enjoyed much of your style. But as Marshall McLuhan observed, the medium is the message. If one shouts I love you while snarling, the words are mostly overridden by the style. There is an old cartoon, probably from Playboy, showing a portly gentleman dressed in Renaissance style, at

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2013-04-18, at 07:45, John Gilmore wrote: After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is

Re: Good Performing Code (Was: Millicode Instructions)

2013-04-18 Thread Phil Smith III
John Ehrman wrote: Performance concerns about individual instructions aren't worth much effort. Things like operand alignment, data and instruction cache retention, locality of reference, branch frequency etc. can have really significant effects. For sure. But for the pathologically curious, if

Re: Good Performing Code (Was: Millicode Instructions)

2013-04-18 Thread Fred van der Windt
The two newest processors (z196 and zEC12) do out-of-order processing. Does that mean that we do not need to 'intermingle' instructions because the processor will do it for us? Fred! Sent from my new iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 17:05, Phil Smith III li...@akphs.com wrote: John Ehrman wrote:

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread Gibney, Dave
Our loss. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER- l...@listserv.uga.edu] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:45 AM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: TRTE, etc. After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I

Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question)

2013-04-18 Thread Tony Harminc
On 18 April 2013 00:26, Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com wrote: The Kosher Chinese was Mosha Peking which was on 35th or 36th off Broadway (near MSG). Doubtless with no pun or food stereotype intended... Tony H.

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread Bodoh John Robert [Contractor]
What loss? This listserv is for both the experienced and inexperienced. The inexperienced participants ask questions so they may learn and one day may be able to impart their knowledge to new inexperienced participants. I have seen in this listserv where inexperienced participants were

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread John McKown
I agree it is an overall loss. Mr. Ashland sometimes came across as arrogant. But when he stayed on target and not off topic, his posts were very informative. Even the ones containing words that I had to Google to understand. I simply accepted this fault of his. I have too many faults of my own to

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread Ray Mansell
Which reminds me, I must look through my desk drawer for that old 'REXX Bigot' badge... On 4/18/2013 12:17, John McKown wrote: (nothing pisses off this enlightened mainframe bigot like a ignorant Windows bigot grin/).

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread Gates, Guy
I for one enjoyed your posts and the expertise you brought to the table. Sorry to see you go. Thanks...Guy M. Gates Jr. System Programmer II TTI Inc. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER- l...@listserv.uga.edu] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent:

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread Tony Thigpen
Amem to John Robert Driving off the inexperienced only hurts our profession. Tony Thigpen -Original Message - From: Bodoh John Robert [Contractor] Sent: 04/18/2013 12:17 PM What loss? This listserv is for both the experienced and inexperienced. The inexperienced participants ask

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread Tony's old desktop via Windows Live Mail
I too, will miss Mr. Gilmore. In addition to technology he gave us much history, often on non-IT topics, that were usually at least somewhat related to the original post. Obviously his technical expertise is much beyond my own. His style never bothered me much. I have yet to look up ad

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread zMan
Regardless of the merits (non-trivial) or negative impacts (also non-trivial) of Gilmore's past behavior, taking his ball and going home is a pretty childish response. More productive/professional/grown-up would be to try to be more collegialhttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collegial .

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread Andreas F. Geissbuehler
John Gilmore announced: After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post

Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question)

2013-04-18 Thread Scott Ford
Bill, I worked in NYC and missed that one dude ..I must be getting old Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:49 PM, DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net wrote: I understood immediately the Moshe part of the pun. B ut i t

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
I, too, hope, that this is not the final decision, because I always appreciated the posts of Mr Gilmore. I know from private conversations, that he has been working with computers since 1949, so he is like a sort of living legend for me. It is not necessary that we share his opinions, and I,

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread Ott, Jeff
I would love to add the citation for the following quote, which I immediately glommed upon sight for my FB Favorite Quotations. Mr. Gilmore? Anyone? In any event, it somehow seems apropos. Watching people who do not recognize the limitations of their experience pontificate about what the

Re: TRTE, etc.

2013-04-18 Thread Michael Stack
I wish I could help, but this is the closest I could come: The recognition of the insuperable limits to his knowledge ought indeed to teach the student of society a lesson of humility which should guard him against becoming an accomplice in men's fatal striving to control society - a striving

Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question)

2013-04-18 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 17:49 + on 04/18/2013, DASDBILL2 wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): I understood immediately the Moshe part of the pun. B ut i t took me a while to reverse-engineer the MSG pun. Not having spent significant time in NYC, my brain's first interpretation of MSG is

Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question)

2013-04-18 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 12:15 -0400 on 04/18/2013, Tony Harminc wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): On 18 April 2013 00:26, Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com wrote: The Kosher Chinese was Mosha Peking which was on 35th or 36th off Broadway (near MSG). Doubtless with no pun or food stereotype

Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question)

2013-04-18 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 05:05 -0700 on 04/18/2013, Scott Ford wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): Robert, I know where that is , I dont remember if the Deli is still there. I worked all over the 'City'. A lot of seriously good Delis.. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/ I