Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On Jan 6, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Andy Graybeal wrote: > On 01/05/2011 01:51 PM, Tom Rymes wrote: >> On 01/05/2011 7:50 AM, Andy Graybeal wrote: >> >>> We've got two noisy kitchens that need to talk back and forth. >> >> Andy, >> >> Why, exactly, are you trying to combine an inter-kitchen intercom and >> your phone system? Might it make more sense to have a non-phone-based >> intercom system, plus a phone for making phone calls? >> >> Tom > > Tom, > Good question. I'm not sure, but maybe I was hoping to kill two birds with > one stone. > > I will take your suggestion into account as I'm not sure what to do. > > Do you have any intercom system recommendations? Would it be POE also, and > something I could manage with Asterisk? > > -Andy Unfortunately, I have no recommendations, but I was just thinking of a simple, dumb intercom for between the kitchens, plus a phone for when you need to make a call. Any old phone will do. Perhaps something simple and durable like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/2554-Single-Line-Wall-Phone-w-Amp-Handset-Cortelco-AT-T-/200552549353?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb1dd0be9#ht_3437wt_1141 Tom -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On 01/05/2011 01:51 PM, Tom Rymes wrote: On 01/05/2011 7:50 AM, Andy Graybeal wrote: We've got two noisy kitchens that need to talk back and forth. Andy, Why, exactly, are you trying to combine an inter-kitchen intercom and your phone system? Might it make more sense to have a non-phone-based intercom system, plus a phone for making phone calls? Tom Tom, Good question. I'm not sure, but maybe I was hoping to kill two birds with one stone. I will take your suggestion into account as I'm not sure what to do. Do you have any intercom system recommendations? Would it be POE also, and something I could manage with Asterisk? -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
> If you do get a Polycom, the old 501 (discontinued) have a louder ring > (or can be configured to have a louder ring, don`t quite remember) > then the newer ones. But the others are right: it's not meant for > this, at least not in a noisy environment. What can work though is a > Polycom 321, with a (loud) speaker plugged into the 3.5mm port and > properly configured to have the speaker take the call (see paging app > and Polycom admin manual). It`s a bit of a hassle but it`s much > better than the unreliable and expensive Cyberdata paging products (I > hated the one I tried, replaced it with a 321 as described). > > Mike > > Ah.. so you've used the Cyberdata intercom and didn't like it. What about it was unreliable? Thank you for the inp. ut. Not the intercom, the paging server. It was in a very active environment (car dealership, sometimes many pages per minute). It just stopped responding for a few minutes once in a while. The config is actually very easy. Under less load, it worked well. > What loud speaker did you end up going with? Polycom 321 with a 3.5mm plug to an external speaker. They already had something in place speaker-wise, so didn't bother checking. > Was it cumbersome (space-wise) to have a phone and a loudspeaker? Space wasn't an issue there, it was a Polycom 321 connected to a building-wide paging system in a server room. I imagine on a busy kitchen wall it's different. Mike -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On 01/05/2011 01:51 PM, Tom Rymes wrote: On 01/05/2011 7:50 AM, Andy Graybeal wrote: We've got two noisy kitchens that need to talk back and forth. Andy, Why, exactly, are you trying to combine an inter-kitchen intercom and your phone system? Might it make more sense to have a non-phone-based intercom system, plus a phone for making phone calls? Tom -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Phones make great intercoms when the volume gets loud enough. The polycom 321/331 doesn't have a very loud speakerphone. You may be interested in a paging system. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
Top link on Google for "stainless steel SIP intercom": http://www.adamtelco.com/valcom-vip-172l-st-stainless-steel-sip-intercom- doorphone.html Cyberdata appears to have another, too: http://www.alloy.com.au/010935.htm Yet another: http://www.zenitel.com/en/Stentofon/Products/Tamper--Vandal-Resistant- Substations/SIP-Vandal-Resistant-Substation/ Tilghman, Thank you for the response. The zenitel.com link looks nice in the picture! -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On 01/05/2011 10:55 AM, Mike wrote: If you do get a Polycom, the old 501 (discontinued) have a louder ring (or can be configured to have a louder ring, don`t quite remember) then the newer ones. But the others are right: it's not meant for this, at least not in a noisy environment. What can work though is a Polycom 321, with a (loud) speaker plugged into the 3.5mm port and properly configured to have the speaker take the call (see paging app and Polycom admin manual). It`s a bit of a hassle but it`s much better than the unreliable and expensive Cyberdata paging products (I hated the one I tried, replaced it with a 321 as described). Mike Mike, Ah.. so you've used the Cyberdata intercom and didn't like it. What about it was unreliable? Thank you for the input. What loud speaker did you end up going with? Was it cumbersome (space-wise) to have a phone and a loudspeaker? What exactly was the hassle? Was it just in the original configuration? I don't mind hassle's at the beginning, but hopefully it wasn't a hassle during usage. This is great information Mike. I was looking at the Cyberdata, and they have a new unreleased one with the 12 key keypad for $450.. uhg. This is great information, thank you for sharing. -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On 01/05/2011 7:50 AM, Andy Graybeal wrote: We've got two noisy kitchens that need to talk back and forth. Andy, Why, exactly, are you trying to combine an inter-kitchen intercom and your phone system? Might it make more sense to have a non-phone-based intercom system, plus a phone for making phone calls? Tom -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On Wednesday 05 January 2011 06:50:19 Andy Graybeal wrote: > > I'd definitely look into a phone mounted to the wall that has no > > actual handset, but merely buttons and a speaker grille. It should > > probably additionally be stainless steel, as I suspect it will need a > > good cleaning at least daily. > > > > The Polycom phones look great on a desk, but they are not industrial > > in design. > > What is this dream phone you speak of? Please help me in located it. I > don't want to make a mistake with purchasing the wrong thing. I've > never seen such a thing. > > We've got two noisy kitchens that need to talk back and forth. > > This is what I first imagined I would find, but I've not found this yet. Top link on Google for "stainless steel SIP intercom": http://www.adamtelco.com/valcom-vip-172l-st-stainless-steel-sip-intercom- doorphone.html Cyberdata appears to have another, too: http://www.alloy.com.au/010935.htm Yet another: http://www.zenitel.com/en/Stentofon/Products/Tamper--Vandal-Resistant- Substations/SIP-Vandal-Resistant-Substation/ -- Tilghman -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
If you do get a Polycom, the old 501 (discontinued) have a louder ring (or can be configured to have a louder ring, don`t quite remember) then the newer ones. But the others are right: it's not meant for this, at least not in a noisy environment. What can work though is a Polycom 321, with a (loud) speaker plugged into the 3.5mm port and properly configured to have the speaker take the call (see paging app and Polycom admin manual). It`s a bit of a hassle but it`s much better than the unreliable and expensive Cyberdata paging products (I hated the one I tried, replaced it with a 321 as described). Mike -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andy Graybeal Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:01 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion; t...@casanueva.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen) > I would. The whole Polycom line seems designed for desktop use, and > the speakers just don't get very loud. I have especially had this > complaint about the ring volume, even at some desktops! > > In the hotels where we have installations that include busy kitchen > extensions there seems to be no substitute for an old analog wall > mount phone with a really loud ringer (backed by an ATA). That doesn't > help you with intercom though... > > j Jeff, thank you for your insight. Thats the second vote that I shouldn't be getting a regular phone to act as an intercom in a kitchen. -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
I would. The whole Polycom line seems designed for desktop use, and the speakers just don't get very loud. I have especially had this complaint about the ring volume, even at some desktops! In the hotels where we have installations that include busy kitchen extensions there seems to be no substitute for an old analog wall mount phone with a really loud ringer (backed by an ATA). That doesn't help you with intercom though... j Jeff, thank you for your insight. Thats the second vote that I shouldn't be getting a regular phone to act as an intercom in a kitchen. -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On 01/04/2011 09:02 PM, mgra...@mstvp.com wrote: IMHO G.722 beats "Clarity By Polycom" every time. I had an IP335 for review before they launched. The audio quality is the same as the better models (IP450/550/650) only the user interface is different. Very good speakerphone, too. Review here: http://www.mgraves.org/2010/01/review-polycom-soundpoint-ip335-entry-level-hdvoice-ip-phone/ Michael Graves mgraves mstvp.com o(713) 861-4005 c(713) 201-1262 sip:mjgra...@mstvp.onsip.com skype mjgraves Michael, thanks for your response and sharing your excellent review! Beautiful website btw; I like the color scheme. -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
I'd definitely look into a phone mounted to the wall that has no actual handset, but merely buttons and a speaker grille. It should probably additionally be stainless steel, as I suspect it will need a good cleaning at least daily. The Polycom phones look great on a desk, but they are not industrial in design. What is this dream phone you speak of? Please help me in located it. I don't want to make a mistake with purchasing the wrong thing. I've never seen such a thing. We've got two noisy kitchens that need to talk back and forth. This is what I first imagined I would find, but I've not found this yet. Thank you for your response Tilghman. -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
IMHO G.722 beats "Clarity By Polycom" every time. I had an IP335 for review before they launched. The audio quality is the same as the better models (IP450/550/650) only the user interface is different. Very good speakerphone, too. Review here: http://www.mgraves.org/2010/01/review-polycom-soundpoint-ip335-entry-level-hdvoice-ip-phone/ Michael Graves mgraves mstvp.com o(713) 861-4005 c(713) 201-1262 sip:mjgra...@mstvp.onsip.com skype mjgraves > Original Message > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen) > From: Andy Graybeal > Date: Tue, January 04, 2011 4:15 pm > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > > > > > The Polycom 321 has not been EOL'd and supports VLAN. It is, however, > > lacking a 2nd ethernet port if you were to go that route. > > > > -M > > > Thanks for the response Mark. I see the 331 has two ports and the same > features as the 321. > > I'm wondering what phone would be best being used as an intercom in a > busy kitchen. I asked this some months ago; but this time around I'm > writing it into this years budget. > > I see the 335 has HD Voice and the 321 has "Clarity by Polycom". Which > would be best in a noisy kitchen using the devices speaker phone? > > Should I seek another device for the kitchen all-together? > > -Andy > > -- > _ > -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: >http://www.asterisk.org/hello > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On Tuesday 04 January 2011 16:15:54 Andy Graybeal wrote: > > The Polycom 321 has not been EOL'd and supports VLAN. It is, however, > > lacking a 2nd ethernet port if you were to go that route. > > > > -M > > Thanks for the response Mark. I see the 331 has two ports and the same > features as the 321. > > I'm wondering what phone would be best being used as an intercom in a > busy kitchen. I asked this some months ago; but this time around I'm > writing it into this years budget. > > I see the 335 has HD Voice and the 321 has "Clarity by Polycom". Which > would be best in a noisy kitchen using the devices speaker phone? > > Should I seek another device for the kitchen all-together? I'd definitely look into a phone mounted to the wall that has no actual handset, but merely buttons and a speaker grille. It should probably additionally be stainless steel, as I suspect it will need a good cleaning at least daily. The Polycom phones look great on a desk, but they are not industrial in design. -- Tilghman -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, Andy Graybeal wrote: The Polycom 321 has not been EOL'd and supports VLAN. It is, however, lacking a 2nd ethernet port if you were to go that route. -M Thanks for the response Mark. I see the 331 has two ports and the same features as the 321. I'm wondering what phone would be best being used as an intercom in a busy kitchen. I asked this some months ago; but this time around I'm writing it into this years budget. I see the 335 has HD Voice and the 321 has "Clarity by Polycom". Which would be best in a noisy kitchen using the devices speaker phone? Should I seek another device for the kitchen all-together? I would. The whole Polycom line seems designed for desktop use, and the speakers just don't get very loud. I have especially had this complaint about the ring volume, even at some desktops! In the hotels where we have installations that include busy kitchen extensions there seems to be no substitute for an old analog wall mount phone with a really loud ringer (backed by an ATA). That doesn't help you with intercom though... j -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
The Polycom 321 has not been EOL'd and supports VLAN. It is, however, lacking a 2nd ethernet port if you were to go that route. -M Thanks for the response Mark. I see the 331 has two ports and the same features as the 321. I'm wondering what phone would be best being used as an intercom in a busy kitchen. I asked this some months ago; but this time around I'm writing it into this years budget. I see the 335 has HD Voice and the 321 has "Clarity by Polycom". Which would be best in a noisy kitchen using the devices speaker phone? Should I seek another device for the kitchen all-together? -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users