Re: spec bug: can we fix for draft-11?

2005-08-09 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Aug 4, 2005, at 21:55, Joe Gregorio wrote: Some sections of this specification are illustrated with fragments of a non-normative RELAX NG Compact schema [RELAX-NG]. However, the text of this specification provides the definition of conformance. A complete schema appears in Appendix B. This

Project descriptions with Atom

2005-08-09 Thread Danny Ayers
DOAP is Description of a Project, done in RDF. CodeZoo are using Atom as a format to receive project updates, using DOAP RDF/XML as a payload. Details - -- Forwarded message -- From: Edd Dumbill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Aug 3, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: [doap-interest] CodeZoo

Re: nested feeds (was: Feed History -02)

2005-08-09 Thread Henry Story
Sorry for taking so long to reply. I have been off on a 700km cycle trip http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/bblfish/20050807 I don't really want to spend to much time on the top-X discussion, as I am a lot more interested in the feed history itself, but here are some thoughts anyway... On

Re: Feed History -02

2005-08-09 Thread Henry Story
On 4 Aug 2005, at 06:27, Mark Nottingham wrote: So, if I read you correctly, it sounds like you have a method whereby a 'top20' feed wouldn't need history:prev to give the kind of history that you're thinking of, right? If that's the case, I'm tempted to just tweak the draft so that

Re: Feed History -02

2005-08-09 Thread Walter Underwood
--On August 9, 2005 1:07:29 PM +0200 Henry Story [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I would really like some way to specify that the next feed document is an archive (ie. won't change). This would make it easy for clients to know when to stop following the links, ie, when they have cought up with

Re: Feed History -02

2005-08-09 Thread James M Snell
Walter Underwood wrote: --On August 9, 2005 1:07:29 PM +0200 Henry Story [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I would really like some way to specify that the next feed document is an archive (ie. won't change). This would make it easy for clients to know when to stop following the links, ie,

Re: Feed History -02

2005-08-09 Thread Henry Story
On 9 Aug 2005, at 18:32, Walter Underwood wrote: --On August 9, 2005 9:28:52 AM -0700 James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made some proposals for cache control info (expires and max-age). That might work for this. I missed these proposals. I've been giving some thought to an

Re: Feed History -02

2005-08-09 Thread James M Snell
Walter Underwood wrote: --On August 9, 2005 9:28:52 AM -0700 James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made some proposals for cache control info (expires and max-age). That might work for this. I missed these proposals. I've been giving some thought to an expires / and max-age

FYI: License and Comments I-D's Submitted

2005-08-09 Thread James M Snell
I've submitted the Comments thread and License extensions as Internet Drafts. They should post in the coming few days. In the meantime, the latest versions can be found at the locations below. http://www.snellspace.com/public/draft-snell-atompub-feed-license-00.txt

Re: Feed History -02

2005-08-09 Thread Henry Story
To answer my own question [[ Interesting... but why have a limit of one year? For archives, I would like a limit of forever. ]] I found the following in the HTTP spec [[ To mark a response as never expires, an origin server sends an Expires date approximately one year from the time

Re: Feed History -02

2005-08-09 Thread James M Snell
Henry Story wrote: Now I am wondering if the http mechanism is perhaps all that is needed for what I want with the unchanging archives. If it is then perhaps this could be explained in the Feed History RFC. Or are there other reasons to add and expires tag to the document itself? On the

[Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-saintandre-atompub-notify-03.txt]

2005-08-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI... ** Original Message Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-saintandre-atompub-notify-03.txt Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:50:01 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts

More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread David Powell
I still believe that relative URIs shouldn't exist in Simple Extension constructs [1]. I think that the lack of rationale for their being 2-3 classes of extension construct is proving to be harmful. Prior to the introduction of Section 6, Atom pretty much said you can include any foreign

Re: Feed History -02

2005-08-09 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 09/08/2005, at 4:07 AM, Henry Story wrote: But I would really like some way to specify that the next feed document is an archive (ie. won't change). This would make it easy for clients to know when to stop following the links, ie, when they have cought up with the changes since they

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread Robert Sayre
On 8/9/05, David Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I'm wrong, and the rationale behind Simple Extensions isn't important... Sorry, I don't buy this. You're wrong, but the rationale is important. :) What are we going to do, outlaw strings that happen to look like relative references? If you

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread David Powell
Tuesday, August 9, 2005, 11:22:14 PM, Robert Sayre wrote: What are we going to do, outlaw strings that happen to look like relative references? No, we just need to warn publishers (and extension authors) that the base URI of Simple Extension elements is not significant, and that they must

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread Robert Sayre
On 8/9/05, David Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Publishers should expect that relative refs used in atom:link will work, but publishers should expect that relative refs used in Simple Extensions will break. Disagree. We have no idea what people will do with this, or where they will be

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread Tim Bray
On Aug 9, 2005, at 5:11 PM, David Powell wrote: No, we just need to warn publishers (and extension authors) that the base URI of Simple Extension elements is not significant, and that they must not expect it to be preserved. Either the software understands the foreign markup, in which case

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread Robert Sayre
On 8/9/05, Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, to whoever said relative references are fragile: Wrong. When you have to move bales of web content around from one place to another, and just supposing hypothetically that you have internal links, relative references are robust, absolute URIs

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread James M Snell
Tim Bray wrote: Sounds like implementor's-guide material to me. 1 - James

Re: Feed History -02

2005-08-09 Thread Mark Nottingham
HTTP isn't a transport protocol, it's a transfer protocol; i.e., the caching information (and other entity metadata) are *part of* the entity, not something that's conceptually separate. The problem with having an abstract or transport-neutral concept of caching is that it leaves you

Re: Expires extension draft (was Re: Feed History -02)

2005-08-09 Thread Eric Scheid
On 10/8/05 12:46 PM, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is fairly quick and off-the-cuff, but here's an initial draft to get the ball rolling.. http://www.snellspace.com/public/draft-snell-atompub-feed-expires.txt Looks good, I think it does need a little bit of prose explaining

Re: Feed History -02

2005-08-09 Thread James M Snell
First off, let me stress that I am NOT talking about caching scenarios here... (my use of the terms application layer and transport layer were an unfortunate mistake on my part that only served to confuse my point) Let's get away from the multiprotocol question for a bit (it never leads