Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-15 Thread Lisa Dusseault
I don't feel that changing parts of RFC4287 is appropriate for an individual draft, particularly when the WG that did RFC4287 exists. Certainly in order to update RFC4287 it would *have* to be Proposed Standard. What constitutes an update or change (rather than an optional extension)

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-15 Thread Joe Gregorio
On 12/10/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, the recent discussion seems to point towards a consensus towards distinctly flagging Entry Documents in the media type. The only question is whether or not to use a new media type or an optional type param. I'm going to write up an I-D

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-15 Thread James M Snell
+1 many times over. Lisa Dusseault wrote: I don't feel that changing parts of RFC4287 is appropriate for an individual draft, particularly when the WG that did RFC4287 exists. Certainly in order to update RFC4287 it would *have* to be Proposed Standard. What constitutes an update or change

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-14 Thread Asbjørn Ulsberg
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:25:44 +0100, Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] So I see no downside in James doing an I-D. But is a separate I-D really necessary? If, like Kyle Marvin suggests, the new MIME type for Atom Entries actually becomes a type parameter of the existing Atom MIME

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-14 Thread Asbjørn Ulsberg
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:39:25 +0100, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ideally, I would much rather this be a WG draft. I pinged Tim about it the other day and he suggested that I go ahead with a I-D for now and that we can explore whether or not to move forward with it as a WG draft

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-14 Thread James M Snell
Quite a few folks seemed to have a preference to a separate doc. - James Asbjørn Ulsberg wrote: On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:39:25 +0100, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ideally, I would much rather this be a WG draft. I pinged Tim about it the other day and he suggested that I go ahead

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-14 Thread Asbjørn Ulsberg
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:40:01 +0100, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite a few folks seemed to have a preference to a separate doc. What does quite a few folks mean wrt consensus? What reasons are there not to include this in the APP specification? -- Asbjørn Ulsberg -=|=-

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-12 Thread James M Snell
*If* the document proceeds to Proposed Standard, the new RFC would update RFC4287 either by adding a new type param or by deprecating the use of application/atom+xml for atom entry documents in favor of a new media type. No other part of RFC4287 would be affected. Ideally, I would much rather

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-12 Thread Kyle Marvin
Hi Mark, I realize the question is part process and part technical, but here's my wish for the technical portion: I'm hoping that whatever is done can be additive and optional, such that it can enable new capabilities without disrupting existing usage of 4287 (only). This is one of the reasons

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-12 Thread Mark Baker
On 12/12/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *If* the document proceeds to Proposed Standard, the new RFC would update RFC4287 either by adding a new type param or by deprecating the use of application/atom+xml for atom entry documents in favor of a new media type. No other part of

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-12 Thread Tim Bray
Mark Baker wrote: Ok, the recent discussion seems to point towards a consensus towards distinctly flagging Entry Documents in the media type. Erm, isn't it up to the chairs to declare concensus? co-chair-modeI agree that there exists sentiment in favor of there being a way to distinguish

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-11 Thread Asbjørn Ulsberg
On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:19:53 +0100, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Option A) Optional Type Param application/atom+xml; type=entry application/atom+xml; type=feed +1. I believe that a type parameter allows more smoothly for new types to be introduced in the future, plus it

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-11 Thread Judy Piper
Option A) Optional Type Param application/atom+xml; type=entry application/atom+xml; type=feed +1 IMO, new optional type parameters make more sense. Judy- On 12/10/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, the recent discussion seems to point towards a consensus towards distinctly

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-11 Thread Ernest Prabhakar
On Dec 10, 2006, at 11:19 AM, James M Snell wrote: Option B) New Entry media type application/atom.entry+xml +1 I presume the whole reason we need this is that *existing* parsers are blindly assuming that application/atom+xml means a feed document. If that is an invalid assumption,

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-11 Thread Kyle Marvin
On 12/10/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, the recent discussion seems to point towards a consensus towards distinctly flagging Entry Documents in the media type. The only question is whether or not to use a new media type or an optional type param. I'm going to write up an I-D

RE: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-11 Thread Martin Duerst
At 10:32 06/12/11, Franklin Tse wrote: Option B) New Entry media type application/atom.entry+xml +1 +1 #-#-# Martin J. Durst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University #-#-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-11 Thread Eric Scheid
On 12/12/06 5:56 AM, Kyle Marvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: application/atom+xml; type=entry application/atom+xml; type=feed I believe other UA-visible Atom document syntax qualifiers will be needed/coming downstream. For example. ones describing the expected extension model(s) of the

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-11 Thread Mark Baker
On 12/10/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, the recent discussion seems to point towards a consensus towards distinctly flagging Entry Documents in the media type. Erm, isn't it up to the chairs to declare concensus? AFAICT, the discussion I was involved in failed to achieve it.

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-11 Thread James M Snell
Mark Baker wrote: On 12/10/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, the recent discussion seems to point towards a consensus towards distinctly flagging Entry Documents in the media type. Erm, isn't it up to the chairs to declare concensus? The I-D would be an individual draft, not

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-11 Thread James M Snell
Sure you can. Adding this to mime.types... application/atom+xmlatom application/atom+xml;type=entry entry application/atom+xml;type=feed feed works just fine in apache2. Ask for a static file *.atom, and you get

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-11 Thread Kyle Marvin
On 12/11/06, Eric Scheid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/12/06 5:56 AM, Kyle Marvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: application/atom+xml; type=entry application/atom+xml; type=feed I believe other UA-visible Atom document syntax qualifiers will be needed/coming downstream. For example. ones

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-11 Thread Mark Nottingham
What would the relationship of that document be to RFC4287? Cheers, On 2006/12/11, at 7:32 PM, James M Snell wrote: The I-D would be an individual draft, not a WG draft. -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/