Re: Crazy Party: mini-games and card battle! (beta75)
Yeah. that's fair. So if you have more decks, does that also get you more objects?For instance, My girl and I play relatively the same amounts, but she has about 40 deks to my 12, and has over 100 more objects than I do. Would that
Re: Crazy Party: mini-games and card battle! (beta75)
Hi Folks,I was wondering if someone would be able to tell me, what things should I be getting to try and increase my objects?I'm playing worlds and such but they seem to be going up very very gradually, where as after a mere day my girl
Re: Crazy Party: mini-games and card battle! (beta75)
I have two things I'd really like to see for cp:1. More boards. (happy to help if I know how)2. More of the battle quest.Also, will it ever become a full release? It's been in beta for 79 releases!
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Re: Cosmic Rage, a futuristic MUD unlike any other
In fairness to post 940, I do actually often read the topic (though usually I see the "the server is down" after I've already noticed it and put it back up). Responding with "It's back up" after every single one seems more irritating than
Re: Crazy Party: mini-games and card battle! (beta75)
I think my biggest gripe is that fist barrage and continuous laser have been effectively cut off at the knees. If they were over powered? Level them up. This new deck reconstitution... Effectively useless.
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Re: Crazy Party: mini-games and card battle! (beta75)
Hi, just an update.Thanks for the tip about virtual store, the decks have been recovered along with the save file.This new update to the battle system (though by new I think it was in beta74) is driving me absolutely potty, but it
Re: Crazy Party: mini-games and card battle! (beta75)
Hi folks,I was wondering if anyone knew, my lady ran CP from her program files folder (don't ask I'm headshaking with the rest of you) and therefore the decks folder is not with the crazy party.exe file. It does, however, save decks.
Re: Cosmic Rage, a futuristic MUD unlike any other
@931 is basically correct.From the host side, it's a pretty easy fix! We just head in and type a command so solutions like this one generally gets fixed either:1. When a host notices and is logged in.or 2. Either of the coders is
Re: Cosmic Rage, a futuristic MUD unlike any other
Good morning everyone, or evening or... Um. well. This being a forum and all I guess it could be the end of the world by now so... Good end of the world everyone?Anyway! I hope everyone is doing well!I felt it due time for me to address a
Re: Cosmic Rage, a futuristic MUD unlike any other
Good morning everyone, or evening or... Um. well. This being a forum and all I guess it could be the end of the world by now so... Good end of the world everyone?Anyway! I hope everyone is doing well!I felt it due time for me to address a
Re: Cosmic Rage, a futuristic MUD unlike any other
Hullo!I'll write a proper response tomorrow as I'm very tired, but briefly I just wanted to say, we're going to be talking about ground combat and specificly start scheduling meetings and sessions to understand and overhaul things.
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Re: Cosmic Rage, a futuristic MUD unlike any other
Wow!It has been ages since I gave everyone an update on this thread.Let me see what has happened...Well first, we majorly overhauled our reporting system and can now dynamicly record tracebacks, especially those that happen often, and then
Re: Against The Clock is back, better and more challenging!
All of the voice clips are real people, credits are in the readme.
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Against The Clock is back, better and more challenging!
Hello everyone!you may remember, back in 2017, ironically around this time in fact, Nathan tech released Against The Clock, a sequence memory game designed to challenge your memory and test your reflexes.It is, in fact, in the game
Re: Mailman has been released!
Ehh, the main reason I've not played this game is very similar to the reason I have avoided playing other similar projects recently, and goes similar to what @jayde was saying:The first post is your innicial shazam! Your tada for your fantastic new game. It
Re: Cosmic Rage, a futuristic MUD unlike any other
information, Due to recent server instability, the mud will be taken down from 21:00 GMT for around 15 minutes. This is because we are going to role back to a previous, more stable, version of the server which has less features but is more
Re: Cosmic Rage, a futuristic MUD unlike any other
the comments in 670 are well received, after the especially bad press the game seems to be getting of late.Activities are indeed being worked on slowly, each one being given careful care and attention to try and vary everything up. there
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hi there,the server did indeeed go down for a bit, but it has returned!The reason was a backstage coding issue, and not player related, woohoo!
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Bit of an update for everyone:*huge new overhauls to cargo and transfer commands, with players saying "They love it"*overhaul to the emoting system, boostin it from meh to wow!*lots of bug fixes*even more typo fixes*a
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Have you joined the event?It's cosmic Rage's third birthday, and there are still prizes up for grabs!There is a big out of character quest, with a massive dose of humour involved, not to mention, the following
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
I've not updated this topic in a while, and I think I need to.First up, as some of you may be aware, cosmic is running at full steam towards our July 1st, third birthday celebration and we're all very excited!Next up,
Re: Screaming Strike 2 -- One of the funniest audio arcade games!
Hey @nyanchanHave you tried installing a 32 bit python, then running something like:c:/python32Bit/scripts/yourcompiler yourfile.py youroptions?HTH
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello, @blind-gamer,Once you create a character, in fact, during the character creation process, up to date links will be displayed to you regarding soundpack information.HTH
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
oh. It's me again!just wanted to update the forum with a few awesome changes that took place recently:First, the way socials are matched to was revamped, so that there was no command conflicts ever.More importantly
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello!Some updates you may find interesting: Sunday, 28 April 2019 23:46 Lara Stardust: hello everyone! Lesson 1 on space combat in the galactic academy has now been written. This one focusses on gunning. I hope you
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello again, sorry for the double post.Usually we would be sending out a newsletter right about now, but we're waiting for key changes to take place first.That's no excuse to not update the forum though! So here goes:RP
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hi!Thanks for the feedback regarding the frustrations you have regarding clients, soundpacks, ETC.All feedback is appreciated, as it always have been, whether you are a past, present or future player.
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Just updated the first post so that it accurately reflects the game as it is today!
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Re: Shuffle Cars, by Nathan Tech
Cute ideas.thanks for the feedback!
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Re: Shuffle Cars, by Nathan Tech
yay!
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Re: Shuffle Cars, by Nathan Tech
Hi there!I have updated the original link in post 1, sorry about that.that's what I get for not double checking what I have on the clipboard, #amused.Glad you like the game!
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Shuffle Cars, by Nathan Tech
Good day,I am pleased to have the firm pleasure to announce to you today the first of the Nathan Tech non BGT game releases.this game is called shuffle cars, and is a fun-filled puzzle game in which you must move around cars on a grid to facilitate getting
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello!Sorry I missed this question. Real life sometimes demands my attention in the form of fluffy animals and lots of dog biscuits.Approaching 3 years of being up, Cosmic Rage has changed so much, and will probably
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello all!The cosmic Rage MUD is back online, though, it never went offline to begin with. There's a long story behind it, but the long and short of it is:cosmic Rage is back, this is not server instability, you should
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
hello everyone! for those who were unable to attend the small mini event I just held, cosmic Rage just had an exciting, and by exciting I mean I've been on and on and on about it and the HTPL's are sick of testing it,
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
@612It is planned, but we do have other things in the works at the same time@613 glad you figured it out
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hi guys!Just an update on the soundpacks thing.When you create an account on the game, it now asks if you are visually impaired.this being the case, it offers you links to the mush and vip soundpacks.Enjoy!
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello everyone!In a moment, I will update the mush link on my website, thanks for making us aware of that!I just wanted to raise some important events coming up, and also ask a question.Over the next week, we have a lot
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
I think you would be better off flagging this up to GMA Games themselves
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
While not quite that simple, the soundpack for vipmud of Cosmic Rage is compliant with the Nathan Tech soundpack installer for vipMud, and contains instructions in cosmic rage/help files/read me.txt, so you could look at
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Cosmic Rage brings Easter![announcement] from Lara Stardust: There once were a game called cosmic, staffed by a company that were full of rage! They were all of a varying age, but they all were cut of the same page. It
New from Nathan Tech: p's and q's
Hello folks,I bring to you P's and Q's, Nathan tech's take on the classic Noughts and Crosses game you all must have played as young children.This game comes ready made with a builtin mod creator, to create your own boards, as well as an AI which gets
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Lara Stardust: hello players! cosmic Rage has always danced a fine line between roleplay encouraged, and roleplay enforced. We don't really fit into either category, we tend to hover between each one. Cosmic Rage also
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
[announcement] from Lara Stardust: hello folks. Just like with planetoid harvesting, I have now attempted to make nebula harvesting quote unquote different. Less boring, one might almost be so bold as to say, unique.
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Lara Stardust: a very good evening to you all. Planetoid harvesting, it has been said, is exactly the same as asteroid harvesting. Boring. well sir, I say otherwise! Indeed, I would be so bold as to say it is completely
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hi there,Neither Mush nor Vip packs are supported by the game itself, though we appreciate their creation.It is up to the developer of the pack to maintain his or her product.
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hi there!Soundpacks are quite easy to install, from what I understand of mush.If you require an IP address, it is: 87.106.252.196 Thanks
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Sunday, 25 February 2018 22:46 Lara Stardust: hello folks. And with the conclusion of that event brings you the latest release , a new planet! Called Temreth she is a planet of many cities and many tails. There are
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello, everyoneFirst of all, I invite you all to log in over the weekend, because we have some super events going!Next, I bombard you with some of the best changes so far to the game:Wednesday, 21 February 2018 20:15
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Wednesday, 21 February 2018 20:15 Lara Stardust: a mission a day keeps the vacus away, says stormy white scale. That's perhaps, why, a new mission is released! Called prisoner breakout, your task is to head into a
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
To be honest, I've never thought of archiving a stream.I also have announcements for you to read!Lara Stardust: hello folks! Your new activity, starship rescuing is here! Cruises, i.e, holiday cruises will always be
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
You can't actually download a radio stream. You stream it, heh.Either way, just a forewarning, new activity tonight!
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Re: peaches and cream version 2 is here
Hello again.I have updated the game, such that if it detects you have no trophies, it tries to make you some.Enjoy!
URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351450#p351450
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hi thereThe exploration system is indeed here.
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Confirmed:The question and answer session tonight will actually be a radio stream hosted by the head admin, so people do not have to be imbarrasssed by voices. Start time between 6:00 and 6:30 GMT, with music being
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Confirmed:The question and answer session tonight will actually be a radio stream hosted by the head admin, so people do not have to be imbarrasssed by voices.
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
By expanded, it is now possible not only to go north/south, but east/west, up/down/ northeast/southwest/ southeast/northwest, ETC
URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351113#p351113
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello!I have some big updates to make, not big as in big, but big as in influential to you and your friends, so please read and spread the word.First @aaron yes there is a mush pack made by a player. Eventually cosmic
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello!I have some big updates to make, not big as in big, but big as in influential to you and your friends, so please read and spread the word.First @aaron yes there is a mush pack made by a player. Eventually cosmic
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Lara Stardust: evening folks! Well, after a lot of blood, sweat, tears, abuse and the occasional storm of curses, the exploration system is complete! This system allows you to explore in any direction. Yes, you heard me,
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello folks,So this is a quick update, another will follow in about an hour.The event tonight has been cancelled, due to the stuff within it[the planet], not being quite ready.Exploration is pretty much done, just
Re: fist of fury v1.0 is here!
hello folksI know a few have asked "is there going to be a version 2."The answer is yes, and it will contain the multi player version.That, unfortuntaely is where I'm at at the moment. Due to BGT only running on windows, and due to it using UDP, I am having
Re: peaches and cream version 2 is here
Hello Dark!I'm sorry to hear you're having difficulties with the game!I'm carrying out a debug as I write this, and here is what I'm doing:check install file[appears to include the files],next deleted old version, and will reinstall,selected windows
Re: peaches and cream version 2 is here
Hi Dark!It sounds as though the game has not fully installed correctly!My first tip would be to uninstall the program, and then reinstall it.I'll of course look over my own copy of the install file, to make sure that its not something at our end.As
peaches and cream version 2 is here
Good morning and happy sunday,Peaches and Cream v2.0 is ready for release.Peaches and cream is the matching game from Nathan Tech in which you work your way through progressingly harder levels to match board items, while avoiding the rotten fruit.Version
Re: Prometheus: The Eternal Wars
It's down, and most of its staff have walked out, as well.
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
there isn't a status command, but there is an info command
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
event name: Helping hosts boost you to successevent description:It is a rather obvious fact, to host and player alike, that a game survives by having users. A product's success is measured by the number of contented
Re: peaches and cream
hello folks!Version 2 of the game is here, and here are the changes:*new builtin board maaker*autoupdater*a few fixes*a fix to the bug reporter*automatic board submissionGrab your copy today http://www.nathantech.net/products/game … /index.php
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Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Monday, 11 December 2017 22:59 Lara: hello players. Mainly soundpack users and developres. The interface for soundpacks has changed drastically, so please listen carefully. First off, the @soundpacks command. This
Re: peaches and cream
well, do let tme know!I received an email requesting a built-in board maker which I shall do in the next few days.
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Re: peaches and cream
Hi there,I personally don't use AVG, #iww! For several reasons, the most noteable of which is its uncanny ability to completely muck everything up. It is truly amazing how much random rubbish the program can do!In any case, let me give you my upmost assurance that
Re: peaches and cream
Hi There,Someone told me about this bug last night. I'm not personally a jaws user, which is why it slipped through the net!Never the less, if you go to the website and redownload the program, it should now work.Thanks!
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peaches and cream
Yet another new release from that nutcase over in Nathan Tech!this program does not give you free peaches and cream. Disappointments abound, I know!Peaches and Cream is a matching game, much like candy crush in a simplified form.In Peaches and Cream you start with a 3x3
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello all.@dark sure thing. I'll let the other hosts know.Sunday, 12 November 2017 03:08 lara: hello folks! WE've just had our monthly host meeting, and man oh man we discussed a lot. Faylyn chaired it, and man oh man,
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
hello everyone!No announcements or changes in this one, primarily because its been bug fixes all day.I do want to reply to a few things though.First, there is a change, hopefully this weekend, that should help you out
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
I have nay got the announcement to hand, but more information on the last change for tonight:Farming just got overhauled! It is now about balance and style, with animals and plants being balanced against such variables
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Monday, 6 November 2017 19:49 n8: do you fancy yourself a bit of a colonist? Do you think you have what it takes to run a fully fledged moon base, with allies, life and resource management, and more, single handed?
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
hi thereOk, there has actually been a recent change that might help you there.*Change: enemy locks are now only announced in the primary control room of a ship*change: added the lspam command, a command which filters a
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Sorry for the double post, but I realised I ,missed a couple of important things:*poker, just like cult, there is now a poker info computer game*help file system overhaul, the help file system is now a lot friendlier and
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
I should not write messages on my phone.At any rate, there's been so much going on... Where do I start!Thursday, 12 October 2017 22:45 n8: hello players. Are you a mudrammer and/or tellnet user? Does the help files
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Juste I need a new time waster, announcement to follow this evening
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Re: Prometheus: The Eternal Wars
You may be thinking of cosmic rage, which has both an academy and always open applications… I'm not sure if there is an academy on this game, I seem to recall one being added awhile ago though I'm not sure if it was ever completed, seem to rely a lot on
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
I'm not sure if there are, I know there's a forum, though, though I'm not a mush user, so can't help you there.Also:[announcement] from n8: hello folks! Just for some fun, I have just added the Cosmic Rage lottery! This
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
hi there @codi91First, make sure they are an npc, the patrols around the place are not NPC's, and can not be spoken too, they're patrolling soldiers.To talk to an NPC, type phrases then, type say for example, say
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hi thereWell the game itself is encouraged, we do very much like it when players into wrapped However, most of the activities can be done solo, though some of the higher ones such as the industrial plants will take
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Sunday, 3 September 2017 02:34 n8: hello folks! I bet you didn't expect to see me, but, here I am! mua ha ha ha ha! anyway, I am hear to bring you a brief summary of Saturday's host meeting, and what actions have been
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
one year of cosmic rage[announcement] from n8: hello folks. Just a quick one, at some point this evening, between 4 and 8 GMT, every online player will receive £30 of donator cash, completely free. But when? who knows!
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
[announcement] from n8: hello folks! As most of you know, today is #1YearOfcosmicRage, or for those who can't read twitter hash tags, today is the one year anniversary of cosmic rage's public opening. Imagine that, a
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
one year of cosmic rage![announcement] from n8: hello folks! AS you may have seen, and some of you have figured out, for today only, there is now a paintball arena! To enter it, simply type paintball! to exit, type
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:45 n8: good evening folks! Buckle your seatbelts, and prepare your cokes, for this announcement! is! loong! We have several new things for you, right here, right now, that I am releasing,
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
hi there!@dark You'll be pleased to know, the friggote and other miners have had some improvements to them, as per your suggestions.I can't remember, off hand, if they have cloak, but they should do.I've never heard of a
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello folks!First off, soundpacks are not windows OS dependant.From what I've gathered, and tested, our soundpack works on any version of windows from xp and up.Next, grab onto your seatbelts, because the follow promise
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Greetings allFirst, I can confirm there is now a mush pack available for Cosmic rage!It can be downloaded via the @soundpacks channel in game.Second, @cw, you will be delighted to know, for the forseeable future, I have
Re: Prometheus: The Eternal Wars
Greetings,Arguably, I am not the person to post here, being the admin of another mud, however, I thought I'd air one side of the story.I've noticed also that prometheus sadly appears to be experiencing dayly, if not 48 hourly crashes, which is detremental
key manager
Hello folks!Are you a developer of games?Are you looking to go commercial, but have no, easy way of keeping track of your product keys?Then don't we just have the thing for you!Bringing you Key manager, developers edition!In this easy-to-use menu-based product all of your
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello folks!Let me address things here, one by one:first, @Mirage thank you for your kind words, you have, quite literally, made my week!Next up, mush pack.I hear a rumour, it's only a rumour, but a rumour none the less
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello folks.Just a few changes and announcements:[announcement] from n8: good evening folks. I have a change to skills that will hopefully brighten up your day significantly. Bringing you skill authorisation! Skill
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Welcome to the easter event.What can I do?1. Chat to the bunnies. There are bunny rabbits chilling out in Star command, Sahariana, earth, the easter island and somewhere else... Can you find him?2. Capture the bunnies!On
Re: `Cosmic Rage, an all new, all awesome Space MOO from Nathan Tech!
Hello folks!Aww, quit it, ll these compliments, you're gonna make a grown n8 cry! LOL @kyleall soundpacks are updated regularly:official bt pack: at least once a week, usuallyofficial db pack: usually once a month, as
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