Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? @15I think you are massively misunderstanding my position. There is no point in any of my posts in this thread that I said the backend shouldn't be unit tested. The backend was extensively unit tested. But unit tests only do so much.It

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? @14Yeah, but my point is that if you're not productive with the tools you're using, you're probably using them wrong.All that effort you put into making the frontend verify data from the backend could have just been put into unit testing

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? @13 I agree about flask. next time I would just go with django, although it wasn't me ultimately that made the flask choice.There might be some misunderstanding by what I meant by encoders/decoders, which I should have maybe qualified

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? @11As someone who has had the opportunity to do that, it doesn't actually work out.  You end up sharing basically zero code between them in practice.  If you have that issue though, it's probably because someone made the backend API too

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? What is your server going to do?Python is famous for having great linguistic and machine learning libraries like NLTK or Tensorflow that you would probably need to analyze the legal documents and provide answers to questions users pose

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? The main thing that makes me personally interested in node.js as a web server middleware is havin code sharing between the backend and frontend. I noticed the big value of havin this during the last major project I worked on, which had

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? @9That's interesting, but I think it's good to point out here that for new programmers, old and opinionated is better.  Old because there'll be lots of resources, opinionated because there'll be less ways to make entirely bad choices.  So

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? Anyone look at Fastapi? Its kinda like Flask, though a lot more advanced. https://fastapi.tiangolo.com/Heard about that from a podcast... seems like an interesting library. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579233/#p579233

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? @7Node actually doesn't do so great at async high-performance networking either.  Rust and Go beat it out, Python with gevent comes pretty close to it, Elixir/Erlang as you already mentioned, I think Java might actually also win though

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? It's really what you intend to do with it that matters here, I think.Node's real thing is the asynchronous, non-blocking model that allows for a huge amount of concurrent connections essentially by default. I'd argue Elixir does

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? I'd go Ruby or Python, not Node.  Node is popular and you can find lots of learning resources, but it's kind of the worst of all possible worlds, and the primary reason it became popular is because lots of devs already knew JS.  I can't

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? wow thank you all for the help and great info. This is exactly what I needed. What would you say is the difference between ruby and Node in conventions. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579102/#p579102 -- Audiogames-reflector

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? Node.js is very commonly used at universities to teach web app development for novices, so I think you can safely assume that it is suitable for learning how to develop a web app.As for do conventions from other programming languages

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? Yes I use Node at my current job. I do full stack, but the technology is heavy on _javascript_/Java. As far as recommending as the first backend language, I don't know if I would go so far as to encourage it, only because

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development?

Re: anyone using Node for back end web development? I have.Not hard to learn.I'd say that conventions mostly apply, but you'll have to learn some _javascript_-isms that are slowly going away. I.e. many functions use a callback style, where the first argument is an error (if any

anyone using Node for back end web development?

anyone using Node for back end web development? how hard is it to learn. Do the conventions for other programing languages still mostly apply? Would it be a good starter language for someone who seeks to develop a website. Is it a good idea for creating a legal terminology data base? URL

Re: Web development

Re: Web development @3 happy to help. I will also link to my favorite reference to using WAI-ARIA. it has a lot of recipes for making accessible widgets using aria markup and has sections on other topics like regions, and implementing accessible keyboard interface.section 5, "Prov

Re: Web development

Re: Web development Well yes and no.  aria-label has weird edge cases.  It works pretty reliably if the div has role button, link, or etc. or if the div is reached by focusing it (i.e. tabIndex=0).  But in general you'll have to test it.The right answer was to use proper semantic HTML

Re: Web development

Re: Web development Thank you! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/573042/#p573042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: Web development for these kind of things you would want to refer to WAI-ARIA documentation.to create an accessible label (one that is read out by assisstive tech, but not rendered visually) you can use aria-label attribute like this:and a screen reader will read that as "banana

Web development

Web development Hey all. I have a question. One of the hungarian devs is trying to make their browser game more accessible than it is now. They're using  objects to make the mobile users happy. The problem is that there is no text on these, and they try to add labels

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @34A more direct answer to your question is the problem that making a website appealing is subjectively arbitrary. Just because the person you asked didn't like the font, font size, padding, or colors, doesn't mean others wouldn't like it, or how many wouldn't

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @34A more direct answer to your question is the problem that making a website appealing is subjectively arbitrary. Just because the person you asked didn't like the font, font size, padding, or colors, doesn't mean others wouldn't like it, or how many wouldn't

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @32 let me tell you one of my experiences and show you that you are completely wrong:I designed a simple webpage (really really simple one) with a background color of black and foreground of white (2 different colors).when I showed that to a sighted person, he

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @32 let me tell you one of my experiences and show you that you are completely wrong:I designed a simple webpage (really really simple one) with a background color of black and foreground of white (2 different colors).when I showed that to a sighted person, he

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @31While sensory substitution may make up for some things in limited contexts, I will concede only once we actually have blind frontend devs.  You can't get the kind of resolution necessary out of any of that stuff.Also: if you have vision for a while you get

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @30i agree that we can't do complicated designing but, if we stick to simple way thats enough. the real question is why would we want to do really complicated designs? and again most likely no company would hire a blind person as their front end developperfor

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @23Hmm... If you take two people, one blind and one sighted and have them look at a portrait in their respective ways, the sighted person will likely remark on the overlay of color and perspective visually. The blind person will likely appreciate the texture

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development although bootstrap can make it responsive, but you need sighted assistance in any case.@28, it's not possible. (if you do it, it might not look something appealing as many of the websites which are designed by sighted people are not looking good).another thing

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @27i m not new to web, not saying it will be perfectly ok but, u can play with headings, fonts, margins etc and ask someone with sight how it looks, thats what i m trying to say. Although i hadn't deal with css mutch , this is the way i would go thru.Edit

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @28Yes. Which is what I've said. But you would be amazed how fast this turns into asking the sighted person to do it for you.  Got to check the site on all combinations of the following:Windows+Firefox, Windows+Edge, Windows+Chrome, Windows+Internet Explorer

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @27i m not new to web, not saying it will be perfectly ok but, u can play with headings, fonts, margins etc and ask someone with side how it looks, thats what i m trying to say. Although i hadn't deal with css mutch , this is the way i would go thru. URL

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @26Try this and get back to us, and you'll come away understanding why we're telling you this can't be done. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/515981/#p515981 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: frontend web development @20 and @21i was meaning copy and tweak your code accordingly. offcourse no need to say examine sites with simillar content of Yours. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/515919/#p515919 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @24, the thing with wordpress is that it's default themes are as crap as hell.(saw it, sighted people agreed with me at least regarding twenty ten).for someone blind we even don't need css at all (the website can be a simple html page).but I'm talking about

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development 1. Use WordPress or the default themes for whatever you are building. This will get things 90% there and will work to make your site not look bad.2. Use a UI library like Vaadin that has default styling. You will need to sit next to someone with the CSS

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @22I don't know, and I am speaking as someone who tried to get that knowledge and failed.  I let the themes of my static site generator handle it.The most junior frontend people I've ever worked with go beyond where blind people can follow almost immediately

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @18What precisely are we talking about here? I don't disagree that theory isn't everything, but in what respect is it not enough? Aesthetically? In the functional creation of digital art? In the development of complex CSS scripting? There are varying degrees

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @19Actually, no you cannot. You have to get all the CSS selecters right for your page as a bare minimum.CSS isn't just setting background and foreground color.  It sets literally hundreds of properties per element using a complex query language that can let you

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development Just because it works does not mean that it will do so in your situation. Not every code runs the same and different browsers. Not every code runs the same and different page layouts. You can’t tell that it works as it should. Finally, people may have had

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development Just because it works does not mean that it will do so in your situation. Not every code runs the same and different browsers. Not every code runs the same and different page layouts. You can’t tell. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/515791/#p515791

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Re: frontend web development @18You can simply copy a working csss. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/515721/#p515721 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: frontend web development @12It's not really an argument about learning styles.  If it was possible to do music via music theory or painting via painting theory, we'd have had AI doing this in the 90s.  yes, it's useful.  yes, you can use it as a jumping off point. But at the end

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development in fact there are two ways of  clearing up this issue and actually combining two is my method.1.Imitate what others do. Examine other html pages, how they do this and that ect.2.Spesiphic colours for spesiphic content types.as i said before, make two

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development Just to reiterate - yes, there is nothing stopping you from using CSS yourself, but there exist no tools to tell you whether or not it is "appealing," seeing as it's a subjective thing that companies have dedicated teams for. You are not going

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development all of us have no problem with html side of things, just the css part is the problem since it directly deals with appearance. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/514962/#p514962 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development I did some front-end work at one of my previous internships. All I did was look up Bootstrap tags and get a general sense of what they do. I incorporated what I thought was asked of me, handed it off to another dev, and they either confirmed

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @8,I don't mean accessibility.from a totally blind perspective and when for totally blind visitors, I have no problem of setting colors (background color black foreground color blue for example) and it doesn't make any sense for them.but when someone sighted

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @11It depends. In some respects thats an argument of one learning style over another, since some benefit more from theory than others do. For many visual artists they can learn innately because visual material isn't an abstract concept, though some benefit more

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Re: frontend web development @11It depends. In some respects thats an argument of one learning style over another, since some benefit more from theory than others do. For many visual artists they can learn innately because visual material isn't an abstract concept, though some benefit more

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @11Theoretical resources are more of a starting point, practical experience is the only useful metric long term. Artists typically use theory to refine existing techniques, which they can readily gain through practice. But for them, working with visual material

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @9Most painters don't go talk about color theory. Most musicians don't go talk about music theory. Most frontend developers don't go talk about frontend development theory either.  For things which are almost entirely human-centric, the theoretical resources

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @9 I just love how you always have wwhat's needed. You're quite resourceful. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/514560/#p514560 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development Thats a bit of a misconception, since Art Theory draws from a set of well traveled techniques, same with Color Theory. The main problem is available tools and approach, which is very different from a non-visual perspective than that of a visual one

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development Thats a bit of a misconception, since Art Theory draws from a set of well traveled techniques, same with Color Theory. The main problem is available tools and approach, which is very different from a non-visual perspective than that of a visual one

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development Thats a bit of a misconception, since Art Theory draws from a set of well traveled techniques, same with Color Theory. The main problem is available tools and approach, which is very different from a non-visual perspective than that of a visual one

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development If the question is actually just how do sighted people do this...I know a sighted frontend developer as a somewhat close friend, and work with some others.  There are guidelines you can pull from, i.e. Apple's human interface guidelines, and for accessibility

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development @6 it doesn't work always.consider that someone puts a text in orange in a black screen.if you saw it before (people who had vision before can understand what I'm saying).or a text in cyan in a green screen (consider that someone who is color blinded wants

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development Here's a tip ty. Dark colours on light background. Light colours on dark backgrounds. If you want I can help you out with colours and what looks good and what looks bad. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/514518/#p514518 -- Audiogames-reflector

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development I agree with @4 so I asked this.although bootstrap can help you with this, but you need sighted assistance (I'm saying this because I had more vision than now in passed).@2 if you research on which color is good for what you won't make it at all. because you

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development You can't be a frontend developer professionally.  It doesn't matter how much CSS you know. No one is going to give you a full-time sighted assistant to help check your styling to make sure it's accurate and working on all the major browsers.  You either have

Re: frontend web development

Re: frontend web development I actually have a similar question. I know CSS, but I just don't know what colors look good on what. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/514331/#p514331 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: frontend web development I'll reserch for cullers then i'll decideI won't make my website dark URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/514302/#p514302 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

frontend web development

frontend web development hi,suppose you want to develop a website for yourself, how you will make it look good (as we're have sight issues)?how do you style it or make it good for someone who is not visually impaired?or lets dive more deeper into it, suppose you want to be hired

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? in some situations node is popular (because of using _javascript_).but php, c# and all of them have their own demands.for example, wordpress is so much popular and many companies want wordpress professionals (at least in Iran).also many people want

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? OK, i understanmd. Thank you URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/510818/#p510818 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? @11Just look at their pricing page.  It will answer all your questions.The short version is you'll be able to use the free tier and the limitations it comes with until your project is ready for release, then you pay a flat rate of $7/month.  You'll

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? Well, it seems interesting. I will look into it. I am just a hoobyist but I want to make money from all of this someday, hence my questions. If I had a job, a house and a secure living, I'd go for C# as I love the language lol. But from my research

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? @9, for someone like me who live in a sanctioned country it's not possible.another issue is that I even can't verify my account there!. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/510074/#p510074 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? @8Heroku charges a flat monthly fee for the non-fre tier.  It's not usage-based billing.The 30 minute thing is a free tier limitation.  Free tier dynos turn themselves off after 30 minutes from the last request.  They'll automatically turn

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? hi,the thing with heroku is that if you deploy and if someone sends only 1 request to your heroku application, you will be charged something like 30 minutes.I mean your server will run for about 30 minutes then waits for another request.on that time

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? @6If you are comfortable enough with Apache to get it proxying HTTP requests to a unix domain socket, then don't worry about it. I'd specifically have to Google resources for you though, because when I need to do this I just use the reference

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? @Camlorn, I can use Linux very well, I never messed with NGINX but if you point me to some reliable how tos I am willing to try URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/509898/#p509898 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? I'd go NodeJS if the goal is job-friendliness because knowing _javascript_ alone is a massive boon to the resume and knowing Node is an even more massive boon to the resume.I'd go Python and Django if the goal is building a Rest API (i.e. game save

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? Hi there,well, simply said, go with the language you like the most.For me personally, I like C#, for tons of benefits I have written many times on this forum, such as ability to make proper encapsulation (not all languages have that), nice

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? I wonder if I can use Node modules in pure JS. Because as far as I am concerned, it's not easy to make Node talk to Apache. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/509854/#p509854 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Re: Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? hi,C# is hard to set up in linux, thats correct. you need to setup mono for .net stuff as far as I can think of.node is the same _javascript_, so if you learn it, you will be good to go.but for the php: many of the website scripts are written in php

Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP?

Web Development: Node JS, C# or PHP? Hello!I am now wondering about learning some web technology in summer, when my school year ends. I am quite well-versed in C#, so I thought about going with ASP.NET, Razor and so on. However from what I know, it's kinda hard to set it up on Linux, which

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? I mentioned poking this thread when Id tagged my blog. To that end, heres everything Ive written so far about the problem of realtime online games. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=186273#p186273

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? Yes, exactly. Except that the lengths of the corridors and whether they turn is considered unimportant. The only information youre interested in is that two intersections are connected by a corridor. In the most basic setup, nothing else is kept. And just

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? Yes, exactly. Except that the lengths of the corridors and whether they turn is considered unimportant. The only information youre interested in is that two intersections are connected by a corridor. In the most basic setup, nothing else is kept. And just

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? Podsix is built for games, so hopefully it will not be that ugly when writing games. Also, there is a game engine that is like a wysiwyg game engine that uses podsix.I dont know how it would be when trying to write a website though.Twisted, Gevent, and Asyncio are all

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? Well, heh. Im about to release a preview of it, possibly this evening; it is lacking in features and documentation an isnt yet alpha quality, but the examples and basic 3d stuff works. Describing it properly is going to require a full manual or me finding someone who

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? I look forward to the panning feature!Im not sure what you mean about talking in graphs, but in a game like Swamp or even Paladin of the Sky, if you dont mention graphs, life becomes very complex... If you place the object at 5 squares ahead and 2 to the left, when you

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? A graph is a structure in mathematical and computer science generally. Its a structure of interconnected nodes typically and used to represent structures. Its used for pathfinding algorithms etc. I really am not the expert in this field though. I think he meant

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? No, no, no.Firstly, Libaudioverse is currently Python 2, but the binding generator I wrote for it means that I can target anything and theres no reason that it cant also be Python 3. And by anything, I mean anything, at least so long as the FFI has a specific set

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? I cant wait for you to post libaudioverse up on the forum! LOL *refreshes the forum every 10 seconds*So basically a graph is a list of linked data structures that are connected by something. Basically like a chain or maze.Im sure my first uses of libaudioverse

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? So I did some googling and foundPodSixNeta python package that will do exactly what I want. It sends info from the client to the server, has code for the server to send info to the client and I just need to run the check once in my game loop to do all the checks. Im

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? So I did some googling and foundPodSixNeta python package that will do exactly what I want. It sends info from the client to the server, has code for the server to send info to the client and I just need to run the check once in my game loop to do all the checks. Im

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? Be careful when choosing to use less popular packages; Twisted, Gevent, and Asyncio are written and used by many, many people. Im not saying that you should disregard the packages you have found. But if your code starts getting ugly, it may be the fault of the package

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? I wish to make a score-board for my game. So when people finish, they can click submit score and there will be a list of other peoples scores that their score will be compared against.I wish to do onboard programming, developing my app in python and C++, then just use

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? Everything youve mentioned except full multiplayer is actually not so hard and, for a certain type of game, multiplayre isnt either. In this case, since its a client talking to a server, all you need is Django and perhaps the Django Rest Framework. You can do without

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? Isnt it possible to have django send commands to a client after a set time?so have something like:player sends:player: fredcommand: open the door to the dragonon the cliant I have a check:if open the door to the dragon: if not check_for_arg()sleep(5

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? No. You do not stay connected. HTTp request/response pairs end with the connection closing, unless we are talking about HTTP streams. HTTP streams are a very special case, almost a hack, and Django does not support them in the manner you need. Im not aware of anything

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? Youre right on ports.What kind of game are we talking about? Are you trying to do Swamp or are you trying to do something like Core Exiles? In the former case, you dont even use HTTP; HTTP is not really built for swamp-style gameplay. Its actually worth noting

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? So Django is a http only framework? That doesnt make any sense, because django is just the receiver on the server isnt it? So couldnt I just tell it to except a packet of info that says:codename = frastlinscore = 92005/codeand once those 2 lines of code are received

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? There isnt one defined way to do that.Regarding http and Django, it would be more difficult to handle it in a non-http mannor.Like you said, there are a few options.1: A custom server side program that can receive incoming connections and sort them into the scoreboard

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? So if I wish to do something simple should I take a look at PHP?I am not too worried about security at the moment, I think that will come after I have a working server.I googled what an HTTP request looks like and I think I could totaly use that format for sending my

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? That could work.When sending data though your not sending a file as such, your sending raw data. Think of it as a flow of water between you and the recipient. socket wlil usually make sure your data is securely transferred. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net

Re: Web development?

Re: Web development? Sockets are not HTTp and Django is not sockets. Django does one thing and one thing only: HTTP responses. This includes, as you have no doubt seen, all the other stuff to make an app out of them. But it will always be HTTp. Your scoreboard example is indeed fine

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